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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 11:37 |
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For as long as i can remember people have been cussing Barbados for being a "little England" and selling out. Have they though or are they just more successful than other Islands?
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 11:49 |
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Ive never heard it cussed, but then I probably dont hang out with people who would cuss it.
I havnt to Bar since I wa a kid so I couldnt comment on the current climate.
I do know however that Barbados is the most literate Carribean island and maybe other "islanders"resent that for wha tever reason.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 12:10 |
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I think I remmber Fredblack said that pound for pound its the most educated country in the world, either that or Bahamas, cant remember exactly,
Anyways with stats like that, you could understand the playa hation
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 16:08 |
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Le Moor wrote: For as long as i can remember people have been cussing Barbados for being a "little England" and selling out. Have they though or are they just more successful than other Islands?
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I thought they got cussed because they eat Monkey?
...that was most of the basis of most of the cussing in the playground when I was at school in London between us Jammies and the "Ey Boy" Bajans.
Yes, it is based in nonsense, and part of the divide and conquer tactic of our former colonists and transporters. However, you've got to admit that it was good banter in the playground, barbershop and cornershop back in the day....
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 16:27 |
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Le Moor wrote: For as long as i can remember people have been cussing Barbados for being a "little England" and selling out. Have they though or are they just more successful than other Islands?
I remember asking my ex's mum who was Jamaican why are Barjians (did i splell it right) so disliked, her comments where:
They are not respected by Jamaicans becuase, while Jamaica is trying to fight the white supreamicy, and its independence.
Barbados was doing the opposite in trying to adopts the white culture, which is why most Jamaicans see them as sell outs, hence the name "Little England".
Plus there accent is funny, my friend is fom there and I make joke about the accent, one time his grandma caught me *damn* I was so embarrassed.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:11 |
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Never heard of it begin spoken as such. Last edited on Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:54 by Burning Spear
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:52 |
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didnt know it was cussed per se
but have often heard little england. but i am sure th english call it little england
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 18:00 |
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@All please there is no beef of any consequence between Bardbados or anyone. Another piece of empty propaganda. Like people being anti Jamaican. People are anti ignornace and those who espouse it.
Barbados is like St Kitts, or Monseratt and Antigua. White man paradise. You had to burn them out and run them out for them to leave there as these were their most loved possessions. They love those places because they were safer, nicer climate for them and could control it more easier. Simple as.
That is not because of lack of a tradition of resistance. In fact one of the things that amazes me about my people is wherever they were they fougt and fought well. For example some of the baddest warriors in the Caribbean came from St Kitts a small tiny place which is unbelievable. Bajans fougt the white man actually like in all places, but given the nature of their resources not as successfully as the rest of us.
White people developed these countries in a way which cannot be compared to others and that is why they are still there today in numbers or ratios greater than anywhere else. Barbados always freaks me because of that fact and many of them been there for generations. As a consequence Barbados has superior infratructure in every area. The first independent or State colleges and you name it. So like the British in India Bajans had the instituttions to sezie indpedndence in superior way than most and they made the most of it.
Some Bajans may have big heads, but then we are accustomed to one upmanship in the Caribbean and it does not mean anything or take it as anything. Talk to a Bajan about West Indian cricket and you are looking for a slapping for them to say without us there would be no such thing. My doctor is a Bajan and me and her are always playing about the same thing cricket. Every Bajan is an assumed expert.
Hard to argue against that, but again all about colonialims and colonial development. The white man tamed the island and could play his sport with gay abandon with the local Africans running around fetching the ball, making the drinks, carrying the bags or being practice bowling. In my country they did not have that confidence, as any minute we would appear from bushes, mountains, valleys and do the lot of them. Man woman and child and their slaves who defended them would get worse.
People use Barbados as the model of what they want in many key areas and I have been to meetings where our Prime Minister is getting killed and people using Barbdos as the standard. So lets kill that myth our people are not igorant or small minded.
By the way Barbados is actually the least African of all islands and one of the reasons me and others do not rate it compared to other islands in terms of simply socialising. The effect of white culture on them is very very apparent. For example. Blasting music and socialising is simply the Caribbean way. A lot of people will say Bajans are not friendly but it is that British stand off thing. But plenty bueatiful girls out there with lovely tilting accents and they sure shake it like any other Caribbean girls/women.
Man I have lived in the Bajan suburburbs and could not wait to get home. My wife was in Bados for 6 weeks and almost went mad, as many of my bredrins who do business there. In and out. They are very western middle class eg no noise or music blasting or Caribbean loudness and "bachanal" as we call itl. People do not hang out on their verhana and just chill and go on. Very private just like worse than Hampstead or those places. Little England culture for true. Very legalistic, run for law quick unlike other countries.
So its like when you go to Brixton there is a South London vibe which you pick up in a second, but not in Barbados or where I have stayed and many others who have said the same thing. So it can be deduced that progresss means taking on the livestyles of their white superiors which has passed down in many ways.
I am very confident there are communites where people are just Caribbean African and going on, but I have not seen them and this is not something you look for elsewhere. It is just there.
But people have always had respect for Bajans in this country. Bajans were at the core of radicailism and politics in this country, along with Jamaicans and the Bajan influence in the early period was massive. Look at all the early radical leaders of the race relations movement which became the CRC which became the CRE all Bajans and outstanding ones too.
Barbados has also produced some outstanding leadres Edward Barrow being one of the most outstanding and a serious internationalist as Bajans are today in terms of warding off international interests unconducive to our regional interests. Notice how the Chinese are sniffing in our region but stay clear from Barbados. Bajans not giving up one inch of their independence for anybody.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 18:07 |
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Fredblack you always bring the knowledge.
please l;et me know where i can brush up on my caribbean history. knowledge is key and power when used correctly
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 21:53 |
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@LadyDay well you know what I think about our history. It is like people talking about slavery and most of them don't know jack because there are whole heap of islands with different variants on the story and most of the time when they are talking they are referreing to some generalised version of African-American history straight out of Roots.
Books. Hmmmm. Before I go on let me say there are a lot of problems there. We are in fact as I mentioned hard at work in various capacities to try to address some of these problems. Sis there are tons of books, most of which you will never get or see. Many of importance just crumbling away in Caribbean heat, many out of copy right rotting, many which exist, but because of trading relations and all that, poor organisatiion and leadership within the industry back home people cannot get here.
Pure joke business, so we simply have to step in and do somethng about this foolishness. I could name you books but I know you will never get them which is why I have to be buying 7 and 8 copies of stuff. I am still waiting for an important book I we orded god knows how long. I am also waiting for a book from Barbados since god knows when about Prime Minister Barrow.
We have a policy for years that in every island we go to we get hold of historical literature of all sorts and type. Some of this stuff you will never see. For example the history of Africans in Union island or St Martins. Absolutely fascinating, but you have to go to Union etc to get it. So there is a lot of stuff to sort out and work to be done.
Books. A great classic but again out of print last time I checked. "From Columbus to Castro" by Dr Eric Wiilliams, when he was a radical and before becoming the Prime Minister. Absolute classic and gives case studies of all the islands or many of them and the footnotes and sources are unbelievable.
Now you can get this and it is excellent
"The Dominica Story: A History of the Island" By Dr L Honeychurch 1995 Macmillan
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Posted: Friday February 25th, 2005 06:45 |
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Fredblack good post. I have to say that the words " I rest my case" in relation to the title of this thread spring to mind. Havent been to Bados in 4 years but prior have always been a regular visitor. I always stay in Bank Hall-St Michael and havent noticed the unfriendliness or British like attitude you touched on. The friendliness is very apparent when compared to say the London Underground but cant really speak for too many other islands. Also within the neighbourhood in Bank Hall, chilling out on the veranda early evening listening to socca, whilst chatting sh*te or playing dominoes was the norm. Together with playing music in the buses, mini vans and even the National Stadium hours before the "match" were all what i would call behaving very Carribean like.
Bajans fougt the white man actually like in all places, but given the nature of their resources not as successfully as the rest of us.
Didnt know this but could you eloborate on the words resources and successfully? And are you reffering to the native Carribeans Indians who as i understood it would have been the only people fighting the white man.
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Posted: Friday February 25th, 2005 19:54 |
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@Le Moor. I don't doubt you at all. But I did not come to my conclusions alone and that is what is intriguing probably all went to essentially middle class communities. I suppose St James where I have spent most of my time and the surrouding areas is not a good indicator. But I have always seen for example Rasta bredrin and other ordinary brothers at Grantley Adams airopot and wonder where the hell they live. But I do have freinds who love to go Barbados for some serious raving, because the Bajans have the nightclub scene and entetainnment down pat. Anytime or place something going on not like other islands. Two rave joints or pure country dance which aint bad actually.
But Barbados is an impressive island and very inspiring. I really am impressed by the quality of Bajan television and their chat or talk shows. Real quality stuff and will show most if not all black countries and whites for that matter. I was watching a cartoon series made in Barbados and was cracking up,because it was so funny and the Caribbena characters were wicked and the quality of the prouduct top draw and will give anything the African-Americans can produce and that is high praise indeed, because they have produced some good products in that area.
Books. Hmmm. Both from Eric Williams. From Columbus to Castro. Sorry it is just coming back. I think that is stilll in print, because I saw some new paper back versions in Barbuda. That book and his following one, Capitalism and Slavery.
In both cases his footnotes are very detailed, particularly in the latter book where he examines the sugar industry principally around. St Kitts, Antigua and Barbuda, Monseratt and Barbados and outline the mass revolts which took place three and the organised slave resistance which occured.
My friend if you show me an inhabited island that did not have both an indigenous native American resistance, particularly the Caribs who did not mess about and skilled warriors of brutal efficiency, but from the Africans coming in, then I would like to see that island. Probably in places like St Bartholomews and those regions, Union island where the slaves were dumped because they could not be smuggled in after legal abolition.
I think Williams called it the region of fire to decribe the violence and upheaval taking pace in the Eastern Leeward and Winwood islands. Hardly any island was spared.
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Posted: Saturday February 26th, 2005 01:18 |
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In both cases his footnotes are very detailed, particularly in the latter book where he examines the sugar industry principally around. St Kitts, Antigua and Barbuda, Monseratt and Barbados and outline the mass revolts which took place three and the organised slave resistance which occured.
indeed and barbados has its very own folk hero Bussa. Heres the monument erected on the island 1985
 
"He is recorded as Bussa, or Busso or Bussoe. But whatever his original and true name, there is no doubt that he is the most fascinating freedom fighter in the annals of Barbados.
Like thousands of his countrymen, he was born a free man in Africa, but was captured and brought to Barbados in the late 18th Century as a slave.
He led the slaves into battle at Bayley's on Tuesday, April 16. He commanded some 400 freedom fighters against troops of the First West India Regiment and, like José Marti in Cuba, was killed in battle. His troops continued the fight until they were defeated by superior fire power. It is to their credit and because of Bussa's supreme example, even to the point of self-sacrifice, that the Barbadian slaves continued their resistance. It is reported that many went into battle shouting the name of Bussa.
The rebellion failed, but the name of Bussa lived on. In 1985, a full 169 years after that rebellion, when the Emancipation Statue was unveiled, many Barbadians identified it with Bussa in honour of the famous warrior who led the fight in the remarkable 1816 revolt. In the folk memory and consciousness of Barbadians, Bussa still lives."
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Posted: Saturday February 26th, 2005 23:36 |
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@La Moor ..WALLAH.....Couldn't remember the name or any names as I read the aforementioned so long and only once. But I knew big things went on in Barbados adn it really opened my eyes, because I like so many had been brought up with this Little England concept but taken to the endth degree in repeating what you said.
Well we know now very few Africans in the Caribbean and Latin Americas simply went quitely for anybody.
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Posted: Sunday February 27th, 2005 00:22 |
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BEEN TO BARBADOS TWICE AN THOUGHT IT WAS HEAVY!
AINT NO NEED TO CUSS IT..PEOPLE JUS LOVE FI HATE!
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Posted: Sunday February 27th, 2005 01:15 |
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most Jamaicans see them as sell outs, hence the name "Little England".
I know of animosity between some Bajans & Jamaicans (usually it would be taunts about "small island/big island"), but I wasn't aware it had expanded to adopting the Little England tag.
Anyway Barbados may be known as Little England, but the Bajans don't consider themselves "Little Englanders". These days the country has moved closer in cultural development to the USA instead of the UK.
Indeed Bim's links to the US are deeper than we may know - The American Declaration of Independence is a direct crib of the Barbadian Declaration of Independence drafted 150 years previous when the island tried to gain its own Independence (one of the signatories of the US declaration was a Barbadian, as was the printer). Apparently there was much discussion which took place between the founding fathers and Barbadians over this matter.
Bajans do pride themselves on education - always have. I remember my dad's uncle (RIP) telling me and my brothers that we should always study - since his generation had to use muscle when they came to Britain, but we should use our brains to progress.
PS: people should go to Oistins on Friday or Saturday night for loud muzak (Friday's better though)....
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Le Moor wrote: In both cases his footnotes are very detailed, particularly in the latter book where he examines the sugar industry principally around. St Kitts, Antigua and Barbuda, Monseratt and Barbados and outline the mass revolts which took place three and the organised slave resistance which occured.
indeed and barbados has its very own folk hero Bussa. Heres the monument erected on the island 1985
"He is recorded as Bussa, or Busso or Bussoe. But whatever his original and true name, there is no doubt that he is the most fascinating freedom fighter in the annals of Barbados.
Like thousands of his countrymen, he was born a free man in Africa, but was captured and brought to Barbados in the late 18th Century as a slave.
He led the slaves into battle at Bayley's on Tuesday, April 16. He commanded some 400 freedom fighters against troops of the First West India Regiment and, like José Marti in Cuba, was killed in battle. His troops continued the fight until they were defeated by superior fire power. It is to their credit and because of Bussa's supreme example, even to the point of self-sacrifice, that the Barbadian slaves continued their resistance. It is reported that many went into battle shouting the name of Bussa.
The rebellion failed, but the name of Bussa lived on. In 1985, a full 169 years after that rebellion, when the Emancipation Statue was unveiled, many Barbadians identified it with Bussa in honour of the famous warrior who led the fight in the remarkable 1816 revolt. In the folk memory and consciousness of Barbadians, Bussa still lives."
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this Bussa man, does anyone know where he came from or what his name means..
Just curious, we have tribe back home called Bassa. Many Bassa are said to have been sent to the Caribbean and Brazil.
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this Bussa man, does anyone know where he came from or what his name means..
Just curious, we have tribe back home called Bassa. Many Bassa are said to have been sent to the Caribbean and Brazil.
This is all I could find at the moment (which has already been seen)...
Bussa was taken from Africa and enslaved on Bayleys plantation in the late 18th century. On 16 April 1816 he led the longest revolt in Barbados against white plantation owners. At the time Bussa was head-ranger at Bayleys. The revolt was not spontaneous. It was well planned and organised as an attempt to influence the general abolitionist politics of the time. Bussa commanded some 400 freedom fighters against troops of the First West India Regiment, but he was killed in battle. His troops continued the fight until they were defeated by fire power, but it is reported that many went into battle shouting the name of Bussa. For this reason the rebellion has been known to generations of Barbadians as Bussa's Rebellion. In 1985, a full 169 years later, the Emancipation Statue was unveiled in Barbados. It is the work of Barbados' best known sculptor Karl Broodhagen. Many Barbadians identified it with Bussa, in honour of the famous warrior who led the fight in the remarkable 1816 revolt. In the folk memory and consciousness of Barbadians, Bussa still lives.
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this Bussa man, does anyone know where he came from or what his name means..
Just curious, we have tribe back home called Bassa. Many Bassa are said to have been sent to the Caribbean and Brazil.
A bit more on BUSSA - again some of the information is already here...
BUSSA
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In history, he is recorded as Bussa, or Busso or Bussoe. But whatever his original and true name, there is no doubt that he is the most fascinating freedom fighter in the annals of Barbados.
Like thousands of his countrymen, he was born a free man in Africa, but was captured and brought to Barbados in the late 18th Century as a slave.
From that lowly status, he emerged to be celebrated in the folk memory of Barbadians as the man who struck a resounding blow for freedom by leading Barbados' longest slave revolt in April 1816 against racist and oppressive white Barbadian planters. That rebellion has been known to generations of Barbadians as Bussa's Rebellion, a testimony to the perceived transcendent importance of Bussa himself as the major militant leader of the rebel slaves in the actual fighting, and as one of the major planners and organisers of the slave revolt.
Despite the enormous significance of the role he played, mystery surrounds Bussa. There is no reference to him in the records of Barbados' plantations and, until 1816, we did not know he existed. Then suddenly there is the 1816 Rebellion and Bussa becomes real and a threat to white powers in the island.
That Rebellion, which began on Sunday, April 14, 1816, was the first slave uprising in this island for 124 years; the previous taking place in 1692. In the words of historian, Professor Hilary Beckles, it represented an attempt by the slaves to assert some influence on the general abolitionist politics of the time. What distinguished this rebellion from many of the others was that it was not a spontaneous exercise, but rather a calculated blow for freedom, planned, organised and executed by elite slaves on several Barbadian estates.
The facts show that this event was not just a brief historical spasm. Evidence gathered from the captured slaves revealed that the uprising was an attempt at total reconstruction of society in the image of the Blacks. It was an island-wide conspiracy to obtain their freedom by overthrowing the planter class. Another critical factor was that the rebellion, although prematurely started, was sudden and unexpected. Whites generally believed their slaves, not having attempted any insurrections since the late 1600s, would run away rather than undertake armed revolt.
It was the extremely careful planning of Bussa and his confederates, including Washington Franklin, that created this element of surprise. The planning was undertaken at a number of sugar estates, including Bayley's at which Bussa was head ranger. It is now accepted by most historians that Bussa was the principal conspirator and that other revolutionaries included Nanny Grigg, a senior domestic slave on Simmons' estate, and other black officers such as tradesmen, artisans and drivers planned the uprising.
Preparation for the rebellion began soon after the House of Assembly discussed and rejected the Imperial Registry Bill in November 1815. By February 1816, the decision had been taken that the revolt should take place in April, at Easter. That much seems definite and it is further established that Bussa was given the position of leader and commander in the field.
But who, really, was Bussa? The evidence confirms that he was born in Africa. Historians further claim that he was not a young man since the Slave Trade was abolished in 1807, and in general, it took at least ten years for Africans to acquire the language and managerial skills, in addition to their masters' confidence, in order to become a member of the elite slave personnel on estates. Bussa, therefore, apparently enjoyed such confidence and respect.
He led the slaves into battle at Bayley's on Tuesday, April 16. He commanded some 400 freedom fighters against troops of the First West India Regiment and, like José Marti in Cuba, was killed in battle. His troops continued the fight until they were defeated by superior fire power. It is to their credit and because of Bussa's supreme example, even to the point of self-sacrifice, that the Barbadian slaves continued their resistance. It is reported that many went into battle shouting the name of Bussa.
The rebellion failed, but the name of Bussa lived on. In 1985, a full 169 years after that rebellion, when the Emancipation Statue was unveiled, many Barbadians identified it with Bussa in honour of the famous warrior who led the fight in the remarkable 1816 revolt. In the folk memory and consciousness of Barbadians, Bussa still lives.
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@All
Some interesting read here especially on Busso which I feel deserves to be in the Black roots forum........what say you Le Moor?
@Ladyday
So pleased you mentioned it because it all comes down to basic we really all need to do more reading the knowledge is out there its just for us to go get it.
@Fred
Thanks for the book title...........man the way things are going it seems all gifts this year I have to ask for book tokens LOL.
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Posted: Sunday February 27th, 2005 16:47 |
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| Madfet makes sense, ill start a thread there when i get time or why dont you sooner if you wish Last edited on Sunday February 27th, 2005 19:58 by Le Moor
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Posted: Monday February 28th, 2005 08:21 |
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| Le Moor Interesting read, I will never have known about this man, unless u had put it up, more importantly I won't have probably branch into it, as its not my culture. It will be interesting if more ppl from different black countries can share a lil bit about their history and its heros
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Hitman2005 wrote: most Jamaicans see them as sell outs, hence the name "Little England".
I know of animosity between some Bajans & Jamaicans (usually it would be taunts about "small island/big island"), but I wasn't aware it had expanded to adopting the Little England tag.
Anyway Barbados may be known as Little England, but the Bajans don't consider themselves "Little Englanders". These days the country has moved closer in cultural development to the USA instead of the UK.
Indeed Bim's links to the US are deeper than we may know - The American Declaration of Independence is a direct crib of the Barbadian Declaration of Independence drafted 150 years previous when the island tried to gain its own Independence (one of the signatories of the US declaration was a Barbadian, as was the printer). Apparently there was much discussion which took place between the founding fathers and Barbadians over this matter.
Bajans do pride themselves on education - always have. I remember my dad's uncle (RIP) telling me and my brothers that we should always study - since his generation had to use muscle when they came to Britain, but we should use our brains to progress.
PS: people should go to Oistins on Friday or Saturday night for loud muzak (Friday's better though)....
hey noticed you mentioned going to oistins...been there so many times an i think its HEAVY!!
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 21:07 |
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Brown Eyes love Ostins fish market-pure Bajan culture. Did you try Dolphin by any chance. Nicest steak fish in the world. (Its not actually dolphin like flipper by the way before any activists get lary, its their name for a certain fish - porpus i think its called)
Did you notice the the locals playing dominoes within the stalls.? A bit of Trivia here Barbados pocesses its very own Former dominoes World Champion...Suki King............... Forget heavyweight boxing & the 100 metres, dominoes is where its at. Wont be long before the bidding wars start for television rights................................................
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 23:05 |
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Did you try Dolphin by any chance.
Nope, but my mom used to talk about the fish. Apparently it's an ugly-looking fish.
While I was on hols, I stuck with the usual marine cuisine: Flying fish, Bream and some Mackrel (I'm not a big fan of Mackrel though - too oily)
Tried some Marlin in Oistins with pasta - very nice (reminds me to seek out some more Marlin over here).
My dad (RIP) LOVED playing dominoes with his friends when I was younger - I didn't see much out on holiday though - I spent most of the time on the beach doing nothing all day long except taking a (well-deserved) rest...
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Posted: Thursday March 9th, 2006 16:26 |
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Im resurrecting this thread and need your qualified opinion.
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Posted: Thursday March 30th, 2006 20:50 |
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Le Moor wrote: Rastawoman
I have been studying hard lately so I haven't been on here as much, totally missed this thread.
I feel the whole of the Caribbean has something to say about other Island, we as people love banter but I think that is all it is. I can't give an opinion about people in the UK because I haven't been here long enough.
B'ados is called little Britain because we have Trafalgar Square, Brighton, Christ Chuch, Hastings, worthing etc, we took on alot of English names simple as that, its just a nickname that has stuck.
B'ados is also an Island that alot of other Caribbean peeps come to for work as our exchange rate is high, plenty a Jamaican youths in our Island, I personally have alot of love for all Caribbeans but as I said plenty a banter a gwan thats just how we as people are.
@Fredblack
I wasn't at all suprised when you said you stayed on West Coast, because at first your account of Bajan's shocked me.
I grew up in Christ Church, hanging out in the Gallery was a daily thing, actually our house was the main one in our road where everyone hung out, listening to tunes, gambling and smoking, it really suprised me that you found we as peeps did not do this. Man I know some peeps who have never been to St Lawrence Gap ( tourist paradise ) and its literally down the hill, they just hang out in the gallery after work day in day out, local rum shops being a night out.
As for being unfriendly and stand offish amazes me even more, Bajan's are the friendliest peeps, saying good morning/afternoon/night is a must. Everyone talks to everyone sometimes to the point when you wish for a little peace lol, I would love to know the name of the place you stayed in St James, but surely you ventured out?
We are very traditional peeps, but everyone has to move with the world. This easter will be my first one ever that I won't have built a kite and flown it all day, but then again maybe I will do it anyways and just fly it on my own... maybe not its way to cold in this country to be outside for more than 5 minutes lol
Le moor
Good job on bringing Bussa to peoples attention, he was a great man.
To the others who are bigging up Oistens, just to let you know my house is over Oistens hill and I can hear the tunes from my bedroom, its a good night out plus whilst you are enjoying yourselves you are supporting the local fishermen and woman with out that Friday night fete familys would go hungry
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Just to add, I never met or heard of anyone eating monkey brains that is sick, so can we leave the monkey business alone please!
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 19:51 |
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How you doing sweetie, hows the studying going, and what you studying for?
I wondered what happened to you, havent seen you round the villiage from time.
You've made me wanna trip back home bad so just finished emptying the piggy to see the possibility of it being sooner rather than later.
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 19:54 |
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I didn't even realise that people ate monkey brains....... that is complete and utter puke!!!! Anyone that eats monkey is an ape themselves....... I know for a fact that it is not practiced in Barbados or Jamaica.... I know because I have been to both places... but cannot swear for any other place.
Barbados..... land of intellects... education is prized more than anything else!!! hence why it has one of the highest literacy rates in the english speaking WORLD.
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 21:06 |
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i heard it's St Kitts where they eat monkey hand with rice.
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 22:10 |
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bubz wrote: i heard it's St Kitts where they eat monkey hand with rice.
All of these vicious rumours..... I am quite sure that is un true.... curry hand and rice eh???? LOL
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Posted: Saturday April 1st, 2006 07:27 |
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Le moor, I'm studying Marine Biology and its hard work, but i'm good. I know what you mean about going home, right now I'm missing B'ados real bad, sorry to all that love England, but I hate it here and I wish I had stayed home to study, but our Uni doesn't do the coarse that i'm studying so I had to come here.
@Miss Nelia, I love you for saying we are the land of intellects, we have a good education system and people on my Island take education very seriously ( mainly parents lol ). Alot of youths back home want to come to England to study because England has the reputation of having the best education system in the world, but what they don't tell you is England is a very expensive and lonely place, to me its not friendly at all and the sooner I get home the better!
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As for the monkey brain business, NO ONE in the Caribbean eats monkey brain ( not even St Kitts ) so stop with the rumours
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To back up Rasta Woman. Nobody in the Caribbean eats Monkey anything. I have never heard of this in my life. In fact aren't all monkeys in the Caribbean in the zoo's?
Anyway I think many people who don't truely understand Caribbean culture as a whole take it completely the wrong way when Caribbeans's cuss eachother. We have a tradition of taking the p**s out of eachother but its all done with humour and out of love. It should never be seen on the same level as some kind of American, East Coast/West Coast battle.
Back in the day my mum and dad used to buss up laughing about small island people, and their friends or relatives who were small islanders would give back as good as they got. I would always tell my Guyanese mate about his people love of 'Mountain chicken (frog) and he would always tell me about negative stuff to do with Jamaicans and we'd be bendig up! Its the kind of p**s taking you do with family, only an idiot would take it the wrong way.
In fact Jamaicans will even cuss eachother about which part of the Island they are from but trust me if an outside threat was ever to test, the jamaicans would back eachother for real as would any other Caribbean.
It amazes me that some non-Caribbeans or even 2nd 3rd generation Caribbeans with no direct contact to the islands take this mickey taking for real. My friend at work, who is also Jamaican, and I are ALWAYS bantering and this Ghanain guy got a bit pi**ed off by it, saying that he couldn't understand why we couldn't get along and were always 'arguing' etc and I had to explain to him how we were, he still seems a little bit funny about it to this day.
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To back up Rasta Woman. Nobody in the Caribbean eats Monkey anything. I have never heard of this in my life. In fact aren't all monkeys in the Caribbean in the zoo's?
You find monkeys all over the place in the Caribbean, we don't keep them in zoo's, but we deffinetly don't eat them. Maybe its the whites that eat monkey brain, them peeps will call anything a delicassy (sp) frog leg, snails etc plain nastyness
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Posted: Saturday April 1st, 2006 13:55 |
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I actually heard the money hand thing aswell....
ermm im not sure how to drop this but has anyone heard the rumour of the "special rice" you give to keep your man
its suppose to be a st lucian ting.
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Posted: Saturday April 1st, 2006 16:25 |
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Fredblack wrote: @All please there is no beef of any consequence between Bardbados or anyone. Another piece of empty propaganda. Like people being anti Jamaican. People are anti ignornace and those who espouse it.
Barbados is like St Kitts, or Monseratt and Antigua. White man paradise. You had to burn them out and run them out for them to leave there as these were their most loved possessions. They love those places because they were safer, nicer climate for them and could control it more easier. Simple as.
That is not because of lack of a tradition of resistance. In fact one of the things that amazes me about my people is wherever they were they fougt and fought well. For example some of the baddest warriors in the Caribbean came from St Kitts a small tiny place which is unbelievable. Bajans fougt the white man actually like in all places, but given the nature of their resources not as successfully as the rest of us.
White people developed these countries in a way which cannot be compared to others and that is why they are still there today in numbers or ratios greater than anywhere else. Barbados always freaks me because of that fact and many of them been there for generations. As a consequence Barbados has superior infratructure in every area. The first independent or State colleges and you name it. So like the British in India Bajans had the instituttions to sezie indpedndence in superior way than most and they made the most of it.
Some Bajans may have big heads, but then we are accustomed to one upmanship in the Caribbean and it does not mean anything or take it as anything. Talk to a Bajan about West Indian cricket and you are looking for a slapping for them to say without us there would be no such thing. My doctor is a Bajan and me and her are always playing about the same thing cricket. Every Bajan is an assumed expert.
Hard to argue against that, but again all about colonialims and colonial development. The white man tamed the island and could play his sport with gay abandon with the local Africans running around fetching the ball, making the drinks, carrying the bags or being practice bowling. In my country they did not have that confidence, as any minute we would appear from bushes, mountains, valleys and do the lot of them. Man woman and child and their slaves who defended them would get worse.
People use Barbados as the model of what they want in many key areas and I have been to meetings where our Prime Minister is getting killed and people using Barbdos as the standard. So lets kill that myth our people are not igorant or small minded.
By the way Barbados is actually the least African of all islands and one of the reasons me and others do not rate it compared to other islands in terms of simply socialising. The effect of white culture on them is very very apparent. For example. Blasting music and socialising is simply the Caribbean way. A lot of people will say Bajans are not friendly but it is that British stand off thing. But plenty bueatiful girls out there with lovely tilting accents and they sure shake it like any other Caribbean girls/women.
Man I have lived in the Bajan suburburbs and could not wait to get home. My wife was in Bados for 6 weeks and almost went mad, as many of my bredrins who do business there. In and out. They are very western middle class eg no noise or music blasting or Caribbean loudness and "bachanal" as we call itl. People do not hang out on their verhana and just chill and go on. Very private just like worse than Hampstead or those places. Little England culture for true. Very legalistic, run for law quick unlike other countries.
So its like when you go to Brixton there is a South London vibe which you pick up in a second, but not in Barbados or where I have stayed and many others who have said the same thing. So it can be deduced that progresss means taking on the livestyles of their white superiors which has passed down in many ways.
I am very confident there are communites where people are just Caribbean African and going on, but I have not seen them and this is not something you look for elsewhere. It is just there.
But people have always had respect for Bajans in this country. Bajans were at the core of radicailism and politics in this country, along with Jamaicans and the Bajan influence in the early period was massive. Look at all the early radical leaders of the race relations movement which became the CRC which became the CRE all Bajans and outstanding ones too.
Barbados has also produced some outstanding leadres Edward Barrow being one of the most outstanding and a serious internationalist as Bajans are today in terms of warding off international interests unconducive to our regional interests. Notice how the Chinese are sniffing in our region but stay clear from Barbados. Bajans not giving up one inch of their independence for anybody.
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Leave Montserrat out of you discussion pls. and Montserrat does not have alot of whites. Someone obviously mis-informed you. Shame!!!. Montserrat is predominantly made of of blacks and VERY LITTLE whites.
Barbados have a very colonial influence. barbadians and the whites in barbados do not get along. i have lived there for years so it if from personal experience.
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| This sounds like a rivalry between West Indian countries! Nothing more!
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Black_power wrote: I actually heard the money hand thing aswell....
ermm im not sure how to drop this but has anyone heard the rumour of the "special rice" you give to keep your man
@BP
Special rice?????? LOL what the hell ingredients are in this rice boh!!! And why is it given to men?
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Miss Nellia wrote: Black_power wrote: I actually heard the money hand thing aswell....
ermm im not sure how to drop this but has anyone heard the rumour of the "special rice" you give to keep your man
@BP
Special rice?????? LOL what the hell ingredients are in this rice boh!!! And why is it given to men?
For real BP we want to know what this special rice is?, I have never heard of it....but could be used at a later date if my man upsets me.
Ingredients please
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