|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
| Moderated by: Saida.M, safetyblitz, Raven, Miss Brighter Days, LadyDay, Kunjufu, Kibibi, Happiness, Dillinger, Breadfruit, Backatya |
|
|
| Author | |
|---|
Le Moor
Villager
| Joined: | Friday January 28th, 2005 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 3127 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: |    |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 06:19 |
|
Nowadays within every soap, series and drama you will see black actors cast with white ones intimately as lovers. Its prolific and very rarely are we cast together as a black couple.
Regardless of whether there's a clear agenda or not, should the actors who take these roles, now have a responsibilty to either demand they are cast with black partners, or turn down the role completely?
Would this mean that they would be expected to show more responsibility than the rest of us are within our work environments?
Last edited on Thursday June 14th, 2007 13:25 by Le Moor
____________________
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
Kunjufu
Villager
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 06:26 |
|
Lemoor: i agree with hyou that be it in the media or films it is becoming rarer and rarer to see a positive protrayal of a Black relationship... and to be honest it has been getting on my nerves for a while now...
But whether actors should turn down work as protest, hmm I think that not only is that unlikely it is untendable...
____________________
African heart, African mind
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
CashMoney
Villager
| Joined: | Tuesday October 28th, 2003 |
| Location: | London, United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 4244 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 06:56 |
|
Absolutely no responsibility whatsoever
The script writers, the executives, the producers etc, they are the ones who have the responsibility
____________________
You ever heard of the Golden Rule. He who has the gold makes the rules!
He who asks is a fool for five minutes. He who never asks remains a fool for ever.
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
stick-upKid
Villager
| Joined: | Wednesday August 10th, 2005 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 1328 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 07:52 |
|
Its the token theory: Shows for white audiences only have one black person in it, so they either make that person a one dimesional character - no family, no background - or they give them whitey.
The viewers have ultimate responsibility. If you don't like what you're seeing, don't just sit there gawping - turn it off!
I'm seriously considering buying a projector so that I can stop paying tv license. Giving my money to the BBC really really irks me.
____________________
They want you to Forget History.
They want you to Forgive Injustice.
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
girl21
Villager
| Joined: | Wednesday March 23rd, 2005 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 106 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 08:04 |
|
CashMoney wrote: Absolutely no responsibility whatsoever
The script writers, the executives, the producers etc, they are the ones who have the responsibility
I think these writers who are mostly white, write from their experiences. Chances are they're more likely to be friends with that one Black person that has all white friends and boyfriends/girlfiends than to have contact with a group of regular Black people that have black friends and boyfriends/girlfriends. Basically, because these writers are white they will never have the insight into your 'average' Black person's life (including being around Black couples that we take for granted) so their work will never reflect us properly.
I think we'll only see a change when there are more Black scriptwriters who will produce more realistic work but until then we have to make do with whites(and them funny Black people!) who use their limited experiences and good old stereotypes!
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
RESS
Villager
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 11:22 |
|
That is correct.
RESS has launched another enquiry.
Experience has shown that enquiries are more effective and have more impact than most people would ever imagine.
Endemol UK
Shepherds Studios - Central
Charecroft Way
Shepherds Bush
London W14 0EE
Tel + 44 (0)870 333 1700
Date: 11 June 2007 - Ref: END1106071
Dear Endemol UK,
I am a member of RESS a community action group focused on the problem of Institutional Racism. We have received reports that Racism within Endemol UK may have had an impact on the management of the Racist behaviour of the contestants and is currently the cause of staff abuse within Endemol UK..
The reason I am writing is to try and obtain some facts about the ethos, performance and quality of the Endemol UK Equality/Diversity Scheme. Hopefully the facts will be good news.
I have to deliver a report to the community network and need to have some very important questions answered.
If it is true that the problem of Institutional Racism which is White Supremacy exists in the Endemol UK and this problem is not solved, Racists in Senior Management positions will sabotage and disrupt the work of non-racist staff.
I think you would agree that in order to cure the problem of Institutional Racism in the media, as mentioned by Sir Ian Blair Police the Police Commissioner, White Supremacist staff which are the same as Racist staff must be rooted out urgently.
Please would you send me the answer to these specific questions. Please would you ensure that no Racist staff answer these questions as White Supremacist, Racist Terrorist staff will try to lump all these questions together in an attempt to confuse the situation.
These White Supremacist, Racist Terrorists are responsible for the systematic abuse of the non-white community and are the cause of incompetent administration, stress in the work place, child abuse, misappropriation of funds, violent and unjustified arrests, premature deaths, domestic violence and gun crime on the streets.
1. Are any of the Endemol UK departments Institutionally Racist which is the same as White Supremacist?
2. How many of the Endemol UK Departments have the correct number of Black and Minority Ethnic staff Trustee, Executive, Directorship and Senior Management positions?
3. What checks are in place to ensure that staff in Endemol UK Departments are not members of Racist organisations?
4. Please would you send me by post and email the latest performance results of the Endemol UK Race Equality/Diversity Scheme.
5. Would you please send me the 16+1 Ethnic Classification of all staff in Executive, Directorship and Senior Management positions at Endemol UK.
I look forward to your reply so that I can communicate the answers to people in the community network.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Yours in good faith and hope.
Derrick Lynch - RESS Community Reporter
Race Equality Secret Service
Edmonton
London N9
Race Equality Secret Service
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
Breadfruit
Super Moderator
| Joined: | Sunday September 5th, 2004 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 2372 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 20:27 |
|
Do African (Black) actors have a responsibility?
Yes, of course they do!!
If you have an arena, in which you are allowed to express ideas, an ideology, an image or social perspective, to millions of people, then you have the ability to influence, and anything you do in this arena is overtly political.
Would we allow the koon/negro imitating African actors of previous decades to mass "entertain", not only our people, but others who we have to live, work and struggle with today? Of course not!! So why should grossly overpaid modern-day African Actors, use the excuse that "its only a job?"
In the past we witnessed: Africans running terrified through Jungles, while the great white Tarzan, kills lions, tigers and alligators before breakfast; the shuffling servant, bug-eyed and pitiful in submission, who dutifully praises his white employer and wife for allowing him the pleasure of imitating some housebound canine, are images that were allowed into the minds of millions worldwide, not to "entertain", but to give legitimacy to a world that had murdered millions of Africans on the myth that we were the least of all humankind.
Many Africans, were happy that we had Actors who were allowed to play these parts - THIS WAS SEEN AS PROGRESS. Being Black means you had no life, history B.C (Before Columbus). Acting as some Black buffoon, then, may be progress, within this warped context.
Africans are a people with history, culture and dignity. Making sure that we and our enemies pay due respect to our humanity has always been core to our lives and politics, especially in Diaspora; something we had little choice over.
Negro actors, what was wrong in the past about their profound contradiction, remains wrong today, and will still be wrong tomorrow.
____________________
History is a people's memory, and without a memory, man is demoted to the lower animals
Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
Prince Hakeem
Villager
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 20:38 |
|
The funny thing is, the portrayal of the African family was pretty much normal back in the day. In 2007 the best we get to see is Lewis on The Bill with his mixed race girlfriend.
I'm sure African British actors aren't stupid and know full well what's going on, but I just don't think they have the guts to speak up.
____________________
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
blackbutterfly182
Villager
| Joined: | Sunday March 27th, 2005 |
| Location: | London |
| Posts: | 576 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 20:59 |
|
Last edited on Wednesday June 13th, 2007 21:03 by blackbutterfly182
____________________
We all self concious, Im just the first to admit it...
To know nothing is bad, to learn nothing is worse.
Your inner thoughts can cause you to be rich or poor, loved or unloved, happy or unhappy, attractive or unattractive, powerful or weak.
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
blackbutterfly182
Villager
| Joined: | Sunday March 27th, 2005 |
| Location: | London |
| Posts: | 576 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 21:02 |
|
To be honest I really dont think a lot of the Black "british" actors really give two hoots about whether they are coupled up with another black person. Im sure the majority of them in their personal lives are shacked up with wazungu's, so to them its their reality and they are merely re-enacting on screen. Art imitating life as it were. The only realstic black coupling I can remember in recent times is Kwame Kwei-Armah (sp) and Comfort from Casualty.
As annoying as Chelsea's character is in Eastenders but is it me but does every man that goes out with her use her and always has another chick on the side that he really likes?! ie grant now shaun
Whereas in America you will have black men publicly standing up saying they will not do inter-racial love stories/couplings because they feel they have a responsibility to the sisters. Especially if previously in all black on black relationships they were in were unsuccessful then they shack up with a grey and they find utopia e.g Eriq Lasalle from ER back in the day.
@PH, could have sworn it was BP with that sig pic you have now got!lol
____________________
We all self concious, Im just the first to admit it...
To know nothing is bad, to learn nothing is worse.
Your inner thoughts can cause you to be rich or poor, loved or unloved, happy or unhappy, attractive or unattractive, powerful or weak.
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
east
Villager
| Joined: | Friday February 11th, 2005 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 197 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 21:49 |
|
blackbutterfly182 wrote: To be honest I really dont think a lot of the Black "british" actors really give two hoots about whether they are coupled up with another black person. Im sure the majority of them in their personal lives are shacked up with wazungu's, so to them its their reality and they are merely re-enacting on screen. Art imitating life as it were. The only realstic black coupling I can remember in recent times is Kwame Kwei-Armah (sp) and Comfort from Casualty.
As annoying as Chelsea's character is in Eastenders but is it me but does every man that goes out with her use her and always has another chick on the side that he really likes?! ie grant now shaun
Whereas in America you will have black men publicly standing up saying they will not do inter-racial love stories/couplings because they feel they have a responsibility to the sisters. Especially if previously in all black on black relationships they were in were unsuccessful then they shack up with a grey and they find utopia e.g Eriq Lasalle from ER back in the day.
@PH, could have sworn it was BP with that sig pic you have now got!lol
I agree with what you said to start with. There's something about black people getting envolved in those acting/television/celebrity circles.
There's no way that we can break the British television institution with our black family and well being. Won't happen. Here this: can you imagine all of the topics and issues they'd have to address and wrestle with if they wanted to successfully and realistically portray a ''good'', progressive, strong, YOUNG black couple on British television ?!
What ! Are you crazy ?! Get out of here !
That's too much of a threat to us.
Last edited on Wednesday June 13th, 2007 22:05 by east
____________________
http://www.live365.com/stations/consrast
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
mike pain
Villager
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Thursday June 14th, 2007 13:26 |
|
...a few years ago the bbc aired a show about a token afro-carib, British family....the family were the most vacuous, superficial, white-dipped in chocolate pastiche of what writers thought a family should be like not what is was like, it was dropped after a few episodes ...the overwhelming majority of soap writers are white the few 'ethnic writers that are present' feel compelled to perpetuate stereotypes to sell themselves....peace and harmony doesn't sell: according to whites...does any one remember the Desmonds ?
____________________
knowledge is power
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
Dada
Villager
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Thursday June 14th, 2007 23:08 |
|
The short answer is Absolutely!
For me Black Actors do far more damage to the image and understanding of Black people in the U.k than members of the BNP could ever achieve.
Because for the majority of White people their only contact with blacks is in their front room watching the telly and viewing Black people in the eyes of the Media and Entertainment industry. It is their and not at badly attended BNP rallies that White people will formulate their opinion of actual black people they meet.
F**king senseless "Sell Outs" (not a pharse you will often hear from me) people who will stop at nothing to be in front of the Camera respent us more than any Black M.P has ever done. So the burden of responibility is high. Too often the majority of Actors don't have the courage to shoulder it.
If the "Right" roles are not there Black Actors should not take the WRONG ones.
These type of people can be an absolute disgrace to our community.
Last edited on Thursday June 14th, 2007 23:10 by Dada
____________________
"Knowledge Dispells Fear"
____________________
Click here for your Black Profile
|
TheDogon
Villager
| Joined: | Thursday May 11th, 2006 |
| Location: | USA |
| Posts: | 1605 |
| Photo: | |
| Status: |
Offline
|
| Mana: | |
Click here for your Black Profile
Search for Black Sites
|
Posted: Friday June 15th, 2007 00:16 |
|
Well, I would say "Black" actors/actresses definitely have responsibility. I tried to post about Denzel a while back. He still refuses love scenes with "White" women. Denzel is so slick. He thinks of every reason in the book. I remember when Kelly Lynch thought she was going to get a scene and Denzel claimed "White" males wouldn't want to see the movie.
We all know the deal. As a "Black" actor you don't want to reinforce the racist ideals with your portrayals. In "White" supremacy "White" women are supposed to be what every "Black" man dreams about. He doesn't do this to insult "White" women, but to relate to his own that he treasures them.
With "Black" women it isn't as big a deal. No other interracial relationship has been given more scrutiny.
Brothers and sisters in the U.K., I don't see the need for despair. Despite all that has been brought against you, you yourselves are still proud and still conscious. Mayhap some celebrities are not, but in America historically, racism worked mostly by exclusion. In the U.K., it probably works by assimilation.
____________________
“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
http://www.covenantwithblackamerica.com
____________________
www.blacksearch.co.uk - Helping to promote Black African and Caribbean Websites
|
|
|
Current time is 08:51 | |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Join the
Blacknet
mailing list
|
|
