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Bredder Tukoma
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 17:16 |
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Bredder Tukoma wrote: Bredder Tukoma wrote: Kunjufu:
Yes a reference can be a b**ch. The times I havent been able to get one however I have been able to go to someone else in a senior position and get one. Unless you've pissed off the whole management which is rare. Ive been blatantly sacked from two jobs for pulling up people on the spot. But long term they still couldnt flop my show. Its not like they can say "you'll never work in this town again". When questioned by employers why I stayed at so and so place for only 3 months.. my answer was " I wasnt learning there because of personality clash xyz". I dont believe a bad reference is as final as you think. It did stop me from getting one role in particular but overall it was a blip on the radar.
Now Im not saying your is the wrong strategy. But its not the only one. Reason being if said person who you end up in conflict with/ is bouncing letters back and forth what difference does it make to a prospective employer whether you covered your ass or not. If said person is going to write a bad reference/ and there is practically nothing you can do about it/ would writing a letter initially change his mind. Is it going to change their point of view about you? It makes no difference. I say tell him about him bloddclart. Peacefully/ professionally and with right on your side. If your in the wrong then your position is weak anyway. Soulstarr in her scenario would be on the right side of natural justice.
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 17:16 |
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Bredder Tukoma wrote: Kunjufu:
Yes a reference can be a b**ch. The times I havent been able to get one however I have been able to go to someone else in a senior position and get one. Unless you've pissed off the whole management which is rare.
Now Im not saying your is the wrong strategy. But its not the only one. Reason being if said person who you end up in conflict with/ is bouncing letters back and forth what difference does it make to a prospective employer whether you covered your ass or not. If said person is going to write a bad reference/ and there is practically nothing you can do about it/ would writing a letter initially change his mind. Is it going to change their point of view about you? It makes no difference.
BT: my thinking just to expand on the last point is that sometimes it pays to be proactive, when i suggested writing a letter, in my view it should be as a strategy to protect ones future position.. A letter serves as a counter to just the type of incident you describe where you know you're ex boss might do you down...
If that did occur then you could legitimately discuss this either at the interview in anticipation or afterwards once the job has been offered.... that way any future employer will at the very least pause when recieving a 'bad' reference...do yu se my point..
The trouble with verbal interaction sometimes it that it cannot be recorded or the context explained effectively....a written record that is verifiable does just that and can offset later bullsh*t...[sometimes]
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 17:20 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Bredder Tukoma wrote: Kunjufu:
Yes a reference can be a b**ch. The times I havent been able to get one however I have been able to go to someone else in a senior position and get one. Unless you've pissed off the whole management which is rare.
Now Im not saying your is the wrong strategy. But its not the only one. Reason being if said person who you end up in conflict with/ is bouncing letters back and forth what difference does it make to a prospective employer whether you covered your ass or not. If said person is going to write a bad reference/ and there is practically nothing you can do about it/ would writing a letter initially change his mind. Is it going to change their point of view about you? It makes no difference.
BT: my thinking just to expand on the last point is that sometimes it pays to be proactive, when i suggested writing a letter, in my view it should be as a strategy to protect ones future position.. A letter serves as a counter to just the type of incident you describe where you know you're ex boss might do you down...
If that did occur then you could legitimately discuss this either at the interview in anticipation or afterwards once the job has been offered.... that way any future employer will at the very least pause when recieving a 'bad' reference...do yu se my point..
The trouble with verbal interaction sometimes it that it cannot be recorded or the context explained effectively....a written record that is verifiable does just that and can offset later bullsh*t...[sometimes]
Ok. So you carry the letter with you as insurance for your future interviews. I can see the sense in that.
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 18:28 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Peacemaker wrote: Soulstarr wrote:
What exactly did he say to you? I'm only seeing one side of the story here. Just because you say he was in the wrong doesn't mean he actually was.
I "forgot" my card. In order to get the main doors to open, I need to swipe. If I dn't have it then someone need's to open it from the inside. A collegue saw me trying to get into the building so she went to open the door he stopped her, stormed over and in front of both this collegue and a bunch of kids, raised his voice at he when asking where my card was. When I told him I had left it at home, he said "oh for goodness sake", b4 stepping aside to let me into the building. He was visibly angry and used the exact same tone on me as he uses on the children.
The key here is the fact that he raised his voice to me. He was in the wrong from the second he decided to do that. He needs to learn to differenciate teacher mode from manager mode.
THAT is WAY out of line
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