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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 00:21 |
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I swear I alone can run the African Union better than all the sh*ts running that organization since its creation.
Now, its Somalis turn to face the in-action of the AU.
Unlike many of my fellow citizens I supported the African Union initial actions in Sudan, Somali, and the hell that was Ethio-Eritrean War. Africa's regional organization "IGAD" have worked very hard to solve many problems facing the region and it has done ok and the future looks good. You can read the current news about IGAD here LINK and what it has been doing.
IGAD, unlike the AU have worked hard on many issues facing the region, it has addressed the economic side of things, made Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania to have a working trade, drought control, regional security and political dialogue between them. Sent troops to other parts of Africa, worked with Rwanda and Burundi to open dialogue for membership, and finally, it worked hard on last year's drought in East Africa.
With all the work done by IGAD, which is very small (both in wealth and population) compared to other regional orgs. such as ECOWAS-Economic Community of West African States, ECCAS(Economic Community of Central African States, SADC-Southern African Development Community and others, it needs the help of the African Union.
For one, Somalia is one country the African Union could have helped and worked with IGAD. First, it ignored the historical conflicts between Somalia, Eritrea and Somalia. It ignored to provide support to IGAD after the initial conflict between the Islamic Courts versus the traitors-TFG-puppet government which was created by the occupiers Ethiopia, which later supported the TFG with US military help. African Union watched things unfold in their naked eyes, as they have been in Congo, Sudan, and in Central African Republic. Now, I know I have had bitter debates about the AU with some posters here in the last few years, and some of you know that I have always dis-liked the African Union's in-actions and the size of it, but I have never blamed it on ignoring issues even if it means just by talking about them. In Somalia, as is the case in Sudan the AU thinks or hold that they are a lost couse, and they seem to not know what to do. As I have said, I supported the initial actions of Ethiopia and IGAD, now its the time to be replaced by wider UN troops which the AU must be running and advocating for. They should be run by the Ugandan forces (1,500) of them already in Somalia and have done great job so far. AU has the best chance in years to redeem its dignity and the organization's ideals, now is the time to act or never will they be taken as such.
Now, African Union has lost me, how many of U still think it can still work and do the job it has to do?
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 00:54 |
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The AU has been a failure from the days it was the OAU. Talk about a toothless bulldog: relies heavily on western funding, cannot make any independant decisions, allowed Rwanda to happen, what exactly is it doing about the Dafurian situation? At the helm of the AU, are Arabised African nations. Do they have the interests of Africa at heart? I doubt it. Gaddafi is now playing nicely with the west, and has no interest therefore with African struggles. I mean what kind of organisation ignores Mugabe's consistant abuse of his people, has not intervened in Somalia, does not speak for the average African struggling to make ends meet? When has anyone ever heard of the AU taking a stand when it comes to African issues? As long as they get paid, they do not give two pods of peas about the average working African. Talk about redundant! Stupid organisation that should cease to exist, as it has not implemeted the aims set out in its core values.
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 01:34 |
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The AU has been a failure from the days it was the OAU. Talk about a toothless bulldog: relies heavily on western funding, cannot make any independant decisions, allowed Rwanda to happen, what exactly is it doing about the Dafurian situation? At the helm of the AU, are Arabised African nations. Do they have the interests of Africa at heart? I doubt it. Gaddafi is now playing nicely with the west, and has no interest therefore with African struggles. I mean what kind of organisation ignores Mugabe's consistant abuse of his people, has not intervened in Somalia, does not speak for the average African struggling to make ends meet? When has anyone ever heard of the AU taking a stand when it comes to African issues? As long as they get paid, they do not give two pods of peas about the average working African. Talk about redundant! Stupid organisation that should cease to exist, as it has not implemeted the aims set out in its core values.
Just my two pence.
 Well said.
On Mugabe! Do you know that for a fact, or just taking what those who hate him (West) say, write? Just enlighten me on this if you have personal knowledge on his dealings, I have seen many Africans say this is not the case, he's nationalist - an African one for that, and many in the west do not like that, and are using the opposition groups to create hell for him.
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 22:54 |
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Involve masses in the fight for African unity by Dr. Tajudeen, Wednesday, 9th May, 2007
THERE are two important meetings that will fundamentally affect the lives of all Africans alive and those yet to be born. Both meetings are taking place in South Africa. One in Durban and the other in the affluent suburb of Midrand, near Pretoria. The former is a meeting of the executive council of the African Union, which consists of all the foreign affairs ministers of the member states. The latter is the 7th session of the Pan African Parliament (PAP). What is most significant about the two meetings is the agenda before them. The foreign ministers are meeting for final deliberations on the agenda for the forthcoming summit of heads of state and governments of the union in the first week of July in Accra, Ghana. The summit has a one-item agenda: The United States of Africa.
The foreign ministers’ meeting will be agreeing its final recommendations to their political bosses. In addition to other items on the agenda, the PAP is also having, its only chance to discuss and pronounce itself on the matter before the summit. But how many Africans know about these meetings? Of those who know, how many care? And among those who care, how many can influence the process? It is not too late to inform yourself and also to influence the process because whether we like it or not, their decision or non-decisions will impact on our lives and the future of our children.
There is no longer a debate about the desirability of full integration of Africa. The powerlessness of most of our states, our marginalisation in global trade, finance, the shame of our states competing for who is lowest at the bottom of most human development indexes have won the argument in favour of unity. However, as in the anti-colonial and immediate independence struggles leading to the formation of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) there are disagreements about how far and how fast on the road to unity. One would have thought that these debates were settled in the process leading to the restructuring of the OAU and its transformation into the African Union. But these divisions have continued to rear their heads and undermine the capacity of the states to fast track unity.
What are these positions? The first group is led by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who has been the driving force behind the fast tracking of the United States of Africa project since 1999. This group wants the immediate union of the states with one government citizenship, common defence, a standing army, foreign minister and a president for Africa, etc.
The second group consists of states opposed to what they consider to be Libya’s haste and argue for gradual integration through consolidation of existing regional economic communities as the key building blocs of the union. Initially they did not have a clear leader, but carried out their anti-Libya maneuvers through bureaucrats, ambassadors, foreign ministers and the committee systems at which Libya’s proposals are watered down and bogged down in procedural politics. And since the Libyans are not known for paying attention to detail, they often lose out but take consolation in all kinds of phyrhic victories.
A third consists of those states who share many of the concerns of the cautious path of the second group but now say that the African Union is there and has enough in its Act to fast track unity, therefore, let us consolidate it before going further. This ‘AU is enough’ is now led effectively by South African president Thabo Mbeki and prime minister Meles Zenawi. Other important key players like Nigeria, Egypt, Algeria are basically either standing on the fence or trying to hold a dubious half-way house between Gaddafi’s enthusiasm and Mbeki’s cynicism. Other countries are hiding their indecision, ambiguities, hostilities or biases behind the protagonists. But this is an issue that cannot be fudged anymore.
The Pretoria meeting of foreign ministers is basically Mbeki’s fight back posing his vision directly in contrast to Gaddafi’s. Already even the ways in which the South Africans have tabled the matter have made this clear. Instead of the official United States of Africa, they are saying African Union Government. Personally, I think we should be more original than just copying USA. But rebranding as African Union also is neither here nor there.
What is it that we expect the government whether as a union or as united to do? In spite of the intrigues and maneuvers by the various camps they share a basic weakness: they are state led and are projecting this vision without the involvement of their own people. They do not even involve their own parliaments, let alone ordinary citizens. In many cases, it is even only the presidency that is involved with foreign affairs ministers playing guessing games. There is enough of agreements, protocols and statutory instruments to fast track the unity project, what has been lacking is the political will by the leaders to put their money where their mouth is and also fully involve the masses. Without both, the grand debate will only be another sham executive posturing, which drive our peoples into inertia and cynicism.
It is not too late to reverse this wagon less executive train threatening to run into each other from Tripoli to Pretoria. The business of unity is too important to be left to Mbeki and Gaddafi, even too important to be left to the 53 heads of state and government, the peoples of Africa must have full say in it. It is not a privilege to demand to be consulted but it is their democratic right. Otherwise, the leaders are engaged in yet another futile attempt to try and shave our heads behind our backs. In many countries, people are organising to have discussions on this matter on Africa Day this year: May 25. Join one or start one wherever you may be and demand of your president or foreign affairs minister to debate the options and which side of the debate they are on.
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 22:04 |
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| You shouldn't blame the AU for what is going on in the Horn. All they are capable of doing is providing some peace-keeping troops. But that would be pointless at this point since there is no peace to keep. Last edited on Sunday June 3rd, 2007 22:05 by Askari
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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 01:21 |
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You shouldn't blame the AU for what is going on in the Horn. All they are capable of doing is providing some peace-keeping troops. But that would be pointless at this point since there is no peace to keep.
Askari Salaamzzz.
So, where are the troops? Only 1,500? Joke.
Man, think again, Somalis will never allow Ethios to walk around the country as TFG troops. They took a advantage of our 17 years of problems, and ICU were made to be flippin jokers. Nationalists are needed in the country right now.
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Posted: Saturday June 9th, 2007 16:25 |
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When will the dream of the AU be realized?
1) Only when North African nations are not members of the Union.
2) When the AU starts to promote the continent's political and economic integration.
3) When the AU can and is able to hold all African leaders accountable to their actions.
4) When South Africa, number one weapon supplier in Africa is shown the door, and does not have influence on the union.
3) When all the leaders who came to power or where educated by the colonial powers after the end of colonial era are dead.
5) When Nigeria takes it's place in Africa, as the most critical nation.
6) ...........and..
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 20:46 |
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Quote:ICU were made to be flippin jokers. Nationalists are needed in the country right now.
YOU MEAN NATIONALISTS LIKE THIS OR:
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 21:20 |
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East....The current government is a national disgrace, nothing short.
Aabihii wadanka.....Legend
May his soul rest in peace.
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 22:13 |
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Pele wrote: When will the dream of the AU be realized?
1) Only when North African nations are not members of the Union.
You joker.....a lot of us told you here, on this forum about the conniving Arabs, but you were too busy defending them talking nonsense about"how we cannot exclude them blahh blahh....now you got the cheek to come up with this?
2) When the AU starts to promote the continent's political and economic integration.
There is NO such thing as an AU at the present moment! That fake ass of an organisation is an EU machine to continue the COLONISATION of Africa. Meles wouldn't dis-mantle it because it generates some kind of economy for Ethiopia with all the diplomats and thousands of ambassies that makes Addis second only to Washington DC in regards to the nunber of embassies per capital. Besides, if he gets rid of it, South Africa would take advantage and just build another one in SA.
3) When the AU can and is able to hold all African leaders accountable to their actions.
You can only make statements like that IF Africa was actually being run by Africans FOR Africans. We all know that majority of those so called leaders are Western puppets pimping their mother land. Men with no guts.....their brains being fried with fear for whiteys. These are thesame imbeciles who dinned and winned ARABIC style in Sudan when Darfur was going on! Don't You think thats not enough proof that Africa is LEADERLESS at the moment?
4) When South Africa, number one weapon supplier in Africa is shown the door, and does not have influence on the union.
Aah, maybe our holy figure of Africa Papa Mandela could explain this to his worshiping negroes and whiteys of what a shambolic mess he made with the "power" he was given......there is NO black SA.....it is still a Western BASE in the middle of Africa supplying anything from airports to fleeing base for mercenaries running havoc back home. A useless country, piece of so called pride of Africa, and it will be like that until those whiteys are shown the way out!
3) When all the leaders who came to power or where educated by the colonial powers after the end of colonial era are dead.
Why wait on them to die? it's been over six decades since the so called end of colonialism....yet Africans worldwide are getting worse in their mis education about who they are. So what makes you think colonial attitued will die with the death of a few inviduals? The only way to kill it is to create a cultural and political revolution that will leave nothing to imagination to those who would even dare jeopardise African security.
5) When Nigeria takes it's place in Africa, as the most critical nation.
Heehee....you're having a laugh right? NO country in Africa at the moment has EARNED anything to suggest they can even lead a nation of dogs let alone be a "critical nation" who can lead their fellow humans.
And i will end on that note because there ar ethings that need not saying because they are too plain obvious.
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 23:10 |
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anybody who is half awake knows that Africa is not run by Africans,it's not something new bro. 
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Posted: Thursday June 14th, 2007 09:20 |
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MOGADISHU, 28 JULY 1962.
“…The principle of self-determination, when used properly to unify and enlarge an existing state with a view towards is absorption in a federal system of government is neither balkanization nor fragmentation. It is a major contribution to unity and stability, and totally consistent with the concept of Pan-Africanism�.
“A desire for unity must be matched by a willingness to sacrifice a measure of sovereignty, and to remold the machinery of government to absorb new political and administrative methods. I say that, not to alarm or discourage, but because I think it is time that our continent of Africa took a more practical and realistic view of the problems that have been created by the after effects of colonialism and their relations to a closer political association of African States�.
“There are some lessons to be learned from the short but nonetheless profitable experiences of this Republic; because we can claim with justice that we have made a unique, practical contribution to African unity by merging two independent African states into one-even against the established prejudices of interested powers. I do not have to enumerate the colonial-made problems that we have encountered in the field of fiscal, judicial, linguistic and administrative integration because they still preoccupy us and are too well known. But I would like to underline three lessons�.
“First--as a prerequisite to either a federal system or a total union of states, it is necessary to accept, as we have done in Article Six of our constitution, limitations of sovereignty on conditions of parity with other states.
“Second—we have learned that the outmoded concept of territorial integrity must vanish from our habitual thinking because its roots are embedded in colonialism, and it is incompatible with Pan-Africanism�.
“Third—we have learned of a cardinal principle underlying the effectiveness or otherwise of a political union between two independent states. It is this: the ordinary person must be able to identify himself and his interests with the new order, on economic, ethnic and cultural grounds�.
“It is this last lesson that is perhaps the hardest to learn but, if we Africans are proud to take our place as a democratic people in the comity of nations, we must do more than pay lip-service to the feelings of the ordinary man and woman in our society. We claim, many of us, to be African leaders and socialists. This implies that, through our wisdom and understanding, men will follow us, and, by the equity of our laws, our people will have equal rights and opportunities�.
“Regrettably, it is becoming commonplace in Africa today to accept the development of a privileged class of rulers, with the instincts of colonialists, as a substitute from government by the people. This is one of the after effects of colonial rule. But it is my duty to give this warning to my colleagues in Africa: it will be the unwillingness of African rulers to curb their powers and to lift their artificial colonial boundaries, that will frustrate the hopes and desires of the ordinary people of Africa to be led out of isolation and ignorance into the greater union of African States�.
“I am sorry to have had to end on a note of caution, but there is too much at stake, in the prevention of the kind of tragedies that beset our brothers in the Congo, for me to refrain from bringing unpalatable facts to your notice. Of course, I hope these forebodings will not materialize, but they exist for those who have the eyes to see and the care to understand�.
President: Aden Abdulle Osman
@Pele, this was one of his interesting speeches I came across!
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This is the cause of the problems.
International White Supremacist Racist Activity.
http://www.worldbank.org/
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http://www.imf.org/
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Posted: Friday June 15th, 2007 21:24 |
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Wad up midget...
Pele wrote: When will the dream of the AU be realized?
1) Only when North African nations are not members of the Union.
You joker.....a lot of us told you here, on this forum about the conniving Arabs, but you were too busy defending them talking nonsense about"how we cannot exclude them blahh blahh....now you got the cheek to come up with this?
Mez! What? Yeah right, I know, you mean when rats change African issues to religion.....Keep dreaming...I'm not saying this is the universal solution to solve the AU problems. I'm just presenting an alternative which is fruitful...
2) When the AU starts to promote the continent's political and economic integration.
There is NO such thing as an AU at the present moment! That fake ass of an organisation is an EU machine to continue the COLONISATION of Africa. Meles wouldn't dis-mantle it because it generates some kind of economy for Ethiopia with all the diplomats and thousands of ambassies that makes Addis second only to Washington DC in regards to the nunber of embassies per capital. Besides, if he gets rid of it, South Africa would take advantage and just build another one in SA.
Nooooo...I don't want Meles/East-Africa to dis-mantle AU..we need that cash..
3) When the AU can and is able to hold all African leaders accountable to their actions.
You can only make statements like that IF Africa was actually being run by Africans FOR Africans. We all know that majority of those so called leaders are Western puppets pimping their mother land. Men with no guts.....their brains being fried with fear for whiteys. These are thesame imbeciles who dinned and winned ARABIC style in Sudan when Darfur was going on! Don't You think thats not enough proof that Africa is LEADERLESS at the moment?
No, why not U? And others all over the world, who could change these cursed leaders! Darfur is one region, its only in the news because some in the west take interest on it, what about what has been taking place on AIDS, in the Horn...
4) When South Africa, number one weapon supplier in Africa is shown the door, and does not have influence on the union.
Aah, maybe our holy figure of Africa Papa Mandela could explain this to his worshiping negroes and whiteys of what a shambolic mess he made with the "power" he was given......there is NO black SA.....it is still a Western BASE in the middle of Africa supplying anything from airports to fleeing base for mercenaries running havoc back home. A useless country, piece of so called pride of Africa, and it will be like that until those whiteys are shown the way out!
Yep.
3) When all the leaders who came to power or where educated by the colonial powers after the end of colonial era are dead.
Why wait on them to die? it's been over six decades since the so called end of colonialism....yet Africans worldwide are getting worse in their mis education about who they are. So what makes you think colonial attitued will die with the death of a few inviduals? The only way to kill it is to create a cultural and political revolution that will leave nothing to imagination to those who would even dare jeopardise African security.
Only African born Africans in the west and Africans living in Africa are my concern, others . We need a concerted movement that acknowledges our past ugly history, transcends of nations and ideologies,and takes the interests of all Africans. Colonialism is a disease, it can't just die in only six decades. Those born during colonial era have been running Africa, their death will be a welcome. Things are getting much better, Liberia is doing better, Central Africa as you know is doing good, not as much as I would liked, South Sudan has some peace and self-rule if they get their acts in-order. Revolution needs ideas where all Africans can feel part of it, I don't see that will happen for a while.
5) When Nigeria takes it's place in Africa, as the most critical nation.
Heehee....you're having a laugh right? NO country in Africa at the moment has EARNED anything to suggest they can even lead a nation of dogs let alone be a "critical nation" who can lead their fellow humans.
Not really, Nigeria is and will always be one nation in Africa that has the numbers and a great potential to solve some of Africa's problems. And that is only "IF" they can get their nation back from the dogs you mentioned.
And i will end on that note because there ar ethings that need not saying because they are too plain obvious.
Feel free....
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Posted: Friday June 15th, 2007 21:29 |
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Posted: Friday June 15th, 2007 21:32 |
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East_African.......He was and still is the only African leader in history to have lived on his word....he came and left with dignity, and as the only African leader to do so...
We, Somalis all over the world should be ever proud to his service and may he rest in peace.
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