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Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 20:19 |
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"... A man stabbed to death in Thornton Heath could have been knifed while trying to mug somebody.
The possibility Dwaine Douglas was attacked after trying to rob somebody is one line of inquiry detectives are investigating.
The 18-year-old was stabbed during a fight in Parchmore Road on Friday night (May 18) ..."
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The Late Dwaine Douglas
Interesting.
"... The possibility Dwaine Douglas was attacked after trying to rob somebody is one line of inquiry detectives are investigating ...".
Why are detectives investigating this "line of enquiry'? Also, who leaked this information to the press and for what purpose? Presumably only the "detectives investigating this line of enquiry" would know that they were "investigating this line of enquiry".
Anyone who witnessed the incident should contact the incident room at Lewisham on 020 8721 4868 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.
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Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 21:41 |
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MarcusGarveyLives wrote: Why are detectives investigating this "line of enquiry'? Also, who leaked this information to the press and for what purpose? Presumably only the "detectives investigating this line of enquiry" would know that they were "investigating this line of enquiry".
No I don't think so. In any police investigation of this nature they would certainly interview witnesses to the crime as standard procedure, and also question people who knew the victim closely to find out if they had any enemies etc etc.
Also it's not uncommon for the detectives to keep the family/next of kin updated as to what lines of enquiry they are following. If someone in the family is then speaking to others about what the detectives are saying about the investigation, then a large number of people (including the press) could end up knowing what lines of enquiry are being investigated.
Some people just love to chat and su-su su-su, ya never know?
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 04:51 |
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..and added to that nuff people will be trying to cover their azz!
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 05:19 |
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I grew up with some career criminals in Battersea and one of them told me as soon as another criminal gets a prison sentence or loses his life, his house will get burgled and it's straight round his babymothers flat for some wuk...and in most cases the man culprit(s) is your very own partner(s) in crime. Take it for granted many in this circle earn a wage from bodies like Crimestoppers - it's all in the game.
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Posted: Tuesday May 29th, 2007 11:46 |
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Incognito wrote: I grew up with some career criminals in Battersea and one of them told me as soon as another criminal gets a prison sentence or loses his life, his house will get burgled and it's straight round his babymothers flat for some wuk...and in most cases the man culprit(s) is your very own partner(s) in crime. Take it for granted many in this circle earn a wage from bodies like Crimestoppers - it's all in the game.
As Im sure your aware alot of career criminals from all over have moved to Thornton Heath in recent years. Along with the drop in social amenities/ large influx of Jamaican youths/ prostitues walking the street and the gentrification of areas like Battersea right round to Deptford/ its my firm opinion that TH and surrounding areas are being ghettofied.
My brother and family has lived there for years. So Ive seen the changes big time.
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 03:15 |
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I read the following article today which just brings home how trivial differences end in murder. You really need to check the psychology where defending a 'piece of turf' is as big as life is ever going to get to the degree being willing to kill for it is seen as a kind of pinnacle of life.
The lack of evidence is another thing and shows how unprotected society is when criminals are ready to conspire.
A 16-year-old boy gunned down in front of hundreds of skaters at an ice rink witnessed a fatal shooting ten months before his own death.
James Andre Smartt-Ford, murdered at Streatham Ice Arena in February, was one of a crowd of youngsters who saw 18-year-old Fabian Ricketts die outside a Battersea bar in April 2006.
Ricketts, an aspiring film director, was shot in the heart when he became embroiled in a gang dispute outside the Battersea Bar in York Road.
Jordan Burree, 20, Terence Clarke, 22, and Christian Vasquez, 22, had been accused of Ricketts's murder after an Old Bailey trial.
Vasquez was said to have brandished a double-barrelled shotgun just before the killing while Burree pistol-whipped one of Ricketts's pals, then gloated over the dead teenager.
But all three men were cleared of any wrongdoing after Judge Andrew Morris, QC, ruled there was insufficient evidence against them for a jury to safely convict.
Formal verdicts of not guilty were entered in respect of all three defendants halfway through their trial.
The jury was told James Andre Smartt-Ford witnessed the shooting of Ricketts but the judge made an order banning any further reporting of the trial.
The end of the case can now be reported after Burree was jailed for three years after he was caught with a loaded 120-year-old 'Wild West' revolver.
The antique 19th-century Smith and Wesson fell from his trousers during a routine stop and search on Wandsworth Road, Battersea, on July 18 last year.
Ricketts had driven three of his friends to the bar, where crowds of people had gathered for a Bank Holiday barbecue on April 17 last year.
By the time they arrived, a group of youths were swarming around and a gang-related argument had kicked off, forcing the landlord of the Battersea bar to phone police.
Witnesses, who were given psuedonyms to protect them from possible reprisals, told the jury how Smarrt-Ford had been among the partygoers.
A friend who arrived with Ricketts, known only as Witness C, said he inadvertently sparked a fight by gesturing to a boy he thought he recognised.
Some of the youths thought he had pointed his hand with a gun gesture - a sign of aggression used by gangs in street confrontations.
Ricketts was shot at close range through the heart and left lung in the fight that followed.
Brendan Finucane QC alleged Burree was heard to say: 'Good - you got bun', Jamaican patois for 'you got shot'.
Ricketts, of Caithness Road, Mitcham, was taken to St George's Hospital, Tooting, but died soon afterwards.
He had ambitions of becoming a film director and was working in the Streatham branch of Woolworths before his death.
The three defendants were formally cleared of his murder and of assaulting Witness C during the same incident.
Burree, of Emu Road, South Lambeth; Clarke, of Stroudley House, Patmore Estate, Battersea; and Vasquez, of Kingsley House, Smedley Street, Clapham, all denied murder and assault causing actual bodily harm.
Burree alone had pleaded guilty to possession of a firearm and ammunition in respect of the Smith and Wesson.
He will be eligible for release after serving half of his three year sentence minus the 10 months already served on remand.
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Posted: Tuesday June 5th, 2007 07:21 |
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Apologies for returning to the subject of the Late Dwaine Douglas, but does anyone here know Otis Brown, 23, of Frant Road, Thornton Heath?
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Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 10:38 |
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As is seemingly the case in this case, you need to appreciate the cycle of tit for tat events that culminate in murder.
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Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 10:57 |
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| If he was stabbed whilst trying to mug somebody then my sympathy levels have just plummeted. Nothing has been proven yet though.
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Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 11:36 |
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Oblivion - that view is shared by many and indeed is the norm. The point I want to make is you can't sum up these lives in a single event. Things happen that make people devalue their own lives to the degree some seem to be on a death wish.
There can also be a cycle of events which need to be appreciated for example a mugger or a murderer may only be exacting revenge against someone who they themselves were once a victim of.
There was a case a few years back where an aquaintance of mine (more my friends brother) got killed during an attempted mugging. The random street victim managed to get the knife and stab his assailant. At the time, the man who defended himself was said to have had all these headline cut outs papered on his wall relating to crime and mugging victims so some said he was acting as some kind of street vigilante. Still, he was seen as the victim and got off. Some say it should never of went to court. With the muggers history and traces of drugs in his system who could argue against it.
I wouldn't be looking to give any criminal an excuse, no matter how close I am to them though I have some empathy as to how things spiral out of control. With children of our own, we can't afford not to - I don't believe any of my boys were born to be muggers.
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Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 11:41 |
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..I don't believe any of my boys were born to be muggers....much more raised to be one.
The sad reality is as much as I know the family of the victim, the issues and the concerns I have extend to the family of the murderer as well.
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Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 11:45 |
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Oblivion wrote: If he was stabbed whilst trying to mug somebody then my sympathy levels have just plummeted. Nothing has been proven yet though.
My sympathy levels remain the same no matter the circumstances.
I think we are too hard on our youths nowadays. Many are just lost and need some guidance. That, in itself, is still no reason to lose a life.
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Posted: Thursday June 7th, 2007 07:07 |
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Otis Brown, 23, of Frant Road, Thornton Heath has been charged with murdering The Late Dwaine Douglas.
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