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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 20:45 |
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Greetings all,
a while back, I used to post as Peaceful aswell as ACB. As Peaceful, I was involved in a discussion which resulted in the automatic sensoring of the N word here on BNV. Its in this same spirit that I'm here voicing my compaints at terminology used to describe other groups of people, specifically today, concerning people of dual heritage.
I've just been reading a really interesting debate on whether or not certain women should be lablled 'sellouts', when I got to the following from SafetyBlitz:
Halle? A lot of people on here think that mixed breed people should not be considered African so should she be on the list?
Does no-one else see anything wrong with the above statement? I know life here up north is fairly rural and sheltered, and that things in the big ol smoke (not to mention the USA) evolve in mysterious ways, but since when was using the term 'mixed breed' to refer to someone of 'mixed race' considered non-offensive? I think a BNV 'mod' using a term like 'mixed breed' unchecked send out a massive contradiction against the supposed ethos of BNV. I think its bang out of order slackness that shouldn't be tolerated, any more than we tolerate N. And although I accept its probably impossible to censor for every possible combination of words which may be deemed offensive, that is sooo not my point.... if ish like this goes unchecked, it makes a mockery of BNV's standards and regs and leave the door wide open for the dogs to take over.
So... wha d you reckon?
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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 20:47 |
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Really sorry, i didn't mean to post this in this forum... could one of the mods move to a more appropriate place please?
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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 21:00 |
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Done.
As for your complaint wouldn't it had been better to take it up with the person concerned in PM first, rather then bring it out here?
I cannot speak for Saftey of course but when I read it I did not think it was meant with any intentional malice.
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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 21:12 |
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Africaribrit: I do have some thoughts on this issue, however given that your point is reference to another MOD..out of respect for him.. I would like him to voice his views FIRST before I offer a view on this..if thats ok..
Once he has done that I will comeback to this thread ok..
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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 21:14 |
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Thanks for moving the thread Athaba, and for the spelling correctshun!
Yeah, I could have chosen to do that but I didn't - I don't think its necessarily the 'better' option. And I do accept that perhaps no malace was intended, but the lack of thought is glaring like dis  and when held up against the non-offensive/anti-racist blah blah blah ethos its wrong. I discussed my concerns and opinions in the same way last time... and i find it hard to accept an 'i didn't mean it nastily' arguement... if someone calls me a N, I take offense - even of those who misguidedly use it as a term of endearment coz I'm saddened and angered by the ignorance thats got grip of too many people... if I were of mixed heritage/race, and someone were to call me 'mixed breed'... I'd bex up same way... especially when that person adopts a postion of power and authority as is the case with the mods here... I'm even more suspicious of powerful people are they're often capable of more damage
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Posted: Tuesday April 11th, 2006 21:19 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Africaribrit: I do have some thoughts on this issue, however given that your point is reference to another MOD..out of respect for him.. I would like him to voice his views FIRST before I offer a view on this..if thats ok..
Once he has done that I will comeback to this thread ok..
Cool, thanks.
I'd like to add that although my comments single out SafetyBlits, similar comments have been used by many other posters too which are equally offensive.... although possibly not as damaging...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 05:12 |
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AfriCariBrit wrote: Greetings all,
a while back, I used to post as Peaceful aswell as ACB. As Peaceful, I was involved in a discussion which resulted in the automatic sensoring of the N word here on BNV. Its in this same spirit that I'm here voicing my compaints at terminology used to describe other groups of people, specifically today, concerning people of dual heritage.
I've just been reading a really interesting debate on whether or not certain women should be lablled 'sellouts', when I got to the following from SafetyBlitz:
Halle? A lot of people on here think that mixed breed people should not be considered African so should she be on the list?
Does no-one else see anything wrong with the above statement? I know life here up north is fairly rural and sheltered, and that things in the big ol smoke (not to mention the USA) evolve in mysterious ways, but since when was using the term 'mixed breed' to refer to someone of 'mixed race' considered non-offensive? I think a BNV 'mod' using a term like 'mixed breed' unchecked send out a massive contradiction against the supposed ethos of BNV. I think its bang out of order slackness that shouldn't be tolerated, any more than we tolerate N. And although I accept its probably impossible to censor for every possible combination of words which may be deemed offensive, that is sooo not my point.... if ish like this goes unchecked, it makes a mockery of BNV's standards and regs and leave the door wide open for the dogs to take over.
So... wha d you reckon?
I reckon that you took my statement out of context. I said half the people on here feel that way and that is a truth. I did not say that I felt this way.
I used the word breed instead of race and that was my bad, I should have proof read what I wrote. A guy I work with was trying to palm a mixed breed dog off on me all day, so I had a faux paux. I am sure the African and AAs on this board would not want to be refered to as a breed anymore than a mixed person.
Although if you knew the past of this board you would haveknown that I brought up the point that Shabazz (X) was interracial, yet he was shining example of an African and that people of mixed backgrounds containing a parent of African descent should not be readily excluded because of their heritage.
So before you decide that BNV is making a mockery of what is stated by a slip of the keyboard after 221 posts, do a little research first before you decide to call someone out..................
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 06:47 |
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Why is "breed" more or less offensive than "race". Surely it's the same thing? 
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 06:59 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Why is "breed" more or less offensive than "race". Surely it's the same thing?
Because the word breed is not a term readily used to describe humans. More appropiate for dogs. You have to empathise with peoples requests. What doesnt piss you off seriously does others who it directly effects, and if we are to live in harmony these type of principles need to be respected.
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 07:02 |
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I took you're words out of context? Are you messin? Do you want me to post the entire post from you coz it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference and my point would still be very valid?
Do research first? For what? What 'research' do you think is gonna make me think that YOU and others using unacceptable terms so casually, then brushing if off with a 'It's not really me who thinks like this, its the others' and a 'Oh, my bad'? is OK? I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to evaide responsibility by citing the 'others' that think like this or not, but it seems as though you are to me... I wasn't calling 'others' for their take on life, I called YOU, a BNV mod, a for using offensive terminology, I was very specific.
A slip of the keyborad! You're not even funny. My complaint (see Athaba, I can learn!) has nothing to do with whether 'mixed race' people are or should be considered African - thats another arguement altogether - I'm specifically complaining about your 'slip of the keyboard' in which you use a term you done know to be offensive to refer to a group of people, and my point is, to me, that DOES conflict with BNVs ethos. It may have been a 'slip of the keyboard' probably combined with a momentary lapse of good sense, but ish stinks regardless of where you do it... and implying my calling you on it was somehow premature or innappropriate just wiffs of the same stinking ish... Would you have rather I waited till you did it a few more times?.. Or until your 500th post perhaps?... Would that have been a 'better' way to handle this?
'Out of context'... are you saying there is a context somewhere within BNV's boards in which referring to people as 'mixed breed' is considered alright?...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 07:11 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Why is "breed" more or less offensive than "race". Surely it's the same thing?
I agree that the term 'mixed race' is problematic and far from issue free but its in a different league altgether from 'mixed breed' or any other type of animal terminology... bottom line for me, I happily stand up and say I'm a fully paid up member of the 'African race'.... I would not peaceably be counted as a member of the 'African Breed'.
I'm very dissapointed with the mod response to this so far... I expected better.
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 07:17 |
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| You have to call them something! Damn people can't be objecting to every term out there... Biracial, half-caste, mixed race, mixed breed, whatever. I have mixed race cousins who call themselves all that and more. You know the difference between being offensive like "MUTT" or "mullatto" or something. Now that's offensive, you see the difference?
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 07:34 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: You have to call them something! Damn people can't be objecting to every term out there... Biracial, half-caste, mixed race, mixed breed, whatever. I have mixed race cousins who call themselves all that and more. You know the difference between being offensive like "MUTT" or "mullatto" or something. Now that's offensive, you see the difference?
Me, too, not family but I have a friend who calls herself half-caste, she would never use mixed breed though,... however, shes also the most psychologically damaged woman I know and hardly someone many people look too for example - unlike the mods on here(!)... and I also have African fam who regularly call themselves N and the like, but I think its wrong... just because some misguided people choice to accept and use offensive terms it don't make the terms unoffensive, and it doesn't negate someones right to be offended by them. And... I'll just keep saying this until the point is taken... if you're gonna hold yourself up as a beacon - saying 'we here at this house don't tolerate blah blah blah'.... then one of the heads of the house comes out with the same sort of 'blah blah blah'... then you have conflict.... say what you mean and mean what you say... or.... remove the relevant bits from your statement of rules and regs and let everybody run with it...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 11:09 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: Why is "breed" more or less offensive than "race". Surely it's the same thing?
Thought this as well as there is effectively no such thing as 'race' more ethnicity.
Hmmm...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 11:29 |
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| My cousin calls himself a hybrid.... i think its not wot you say its how u say it.... if half breed is said with disdain its different to when its used as a genuine description. "half-caste" is supposed 2 be offensive.... but i often hear mixed ppl (who aint bin influenced by the poem) calling themselves that.
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P-dot wrote: My cousin calls himself a hybrid.... i think its not wot you say its how u say it.... if half breed is said with disdain its different to when its used as a genuine description. "half-caste" is supposed 2 be offensive.... but i often hear mixed ppl (who aint bin influenced by the poem) calling themselves that.
And that's just why so many baffoons chat ish about- N's, biatches and hoes, but meant in a nice way!... but hey, thats ok too right?... I mean, if I were to call you a 'hoe' p-dot, or maybe if I were to call it your mamma,... 'your mamma is a N hoe she married your daddy who's a nappy headed N coon, and together, they made you, another damn fine member of the N breed"... would it be alright then... coz I'd be saying it with a smile? and how do you know I don't think its an appropriate and 'genuine' description of you, your ma and your pa?... Yu get me?...
@ advanced spark
I could get into the 'is there such a thing as a race' debate, but that's not the point for here and now and I don't wanna get sidetracked on this - its too important...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 12:16 |
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Out of interest how do you refer to yourself in respect of your racial profile?
Respect
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 12:17 |
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AfriCariBrit wrote: P-dot wrote: My cousin calls himself a hybrid.... i think its not wot you say its how u say it.... if half breed is said with disdain its different to when its used as a genuine description. "half-caste" is supposed 2 be offensive.... but i often hear mixed ppl (who aint bin influenced by the poem) calling themselves that.
And that's just why so many baffoons chat ish about- N's, biatches and hoes, but meant in a nice way!... but hey, thats ok too right?... I mean, if I were to call you a 'hoe' p-dot, or maybe if I were to call it your mamma,... 'your mamma is a N hoe she married your daddy who's a nappy headed N coon, and together, they made you, another damn fine member of the N breed"... would it be alright then... coz I'd be saying it with a smile? and how do you know I don't think its an appropriate and 'genuine' description of you, your ma and your pa?... Yu get me?...
 I think you took what i said out of context a lil...
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 13:38 |
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AfriCariBrit wrote: I took you're words out of context? Are you messin? Do you want me to post the entire post from you coz it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference and my point would still be very valid?
Do research first? For what? What 'research' do you think is gonna make me think that YOU and others using unacceptable terms so casually, then brushing if off with a 'It's not really me who thinks like this, its the others' and a 'Oh, my bad'? is OK? I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to evaide responsibility by citing the 'others' that think like this or not, but it seems as though you are to me... I wasn't calling 'others' for their take on life, I called YOU, a BNV mod, a for using offensive terminology, I was very specific.
A slip of the keyborad! You're not even funny. My complaint (see Athaba, I can learn!) has nothing to do with whether 'mixed race' people are or should be considered African - thats another arguement altogether - I'm specifically complaining about your 'slip of the keyboard' in which you use a term you done know to be offensive to refer to a group of people, and my point is, to me, that DOES conflict with BNVs ethos. It may have been a 'slip of the keyboard' probably combined with a momentary lapse of good sense, but ish stinks regardless of where you do it... and implying my calling you on it was somehow premature or innappropriate just wiffs of the same stinking ish... Would you have rather I waited till you did it a few more times?.. Or until your 500th post perhaps?... Would that have been a 'better' way to handle this?
'Out of context'... are you saying there is a context somewhere within BNV's boards in which referring to people as 'mixed breed' is considered alright?...
#1 (and this is not a slip of the keyboard mods don't edit this)
Mofo (and trust me I would spell it out for you in loud red in all 12 letters for ya but out of respect for LadyDay and the other women on here I won't) you don't know me. Don't come on here claiming that you do. I said that it was a slip of the keyboard and my mind was on something else (a mixed breed rottweiler and lab to be exact and the amount of poop I would have to clean up if I got him). The word breed was a slippage point blank because I was thinking about a dog and mistakenly typed that in when describing people.
#2 The US (check my location) does not have the mullato issue that the carribs have. ours mixed race issue is different from yours. a drop of African blood in you makes you black here, there is not and never was an upper tier of AAs here well in LA but the south stamped that out REAL quick. So I don't see mixed race people as you do. Everyone light skinned here is considered BLACK whether they like it or not. The N word for whites is reserved for all of us no matter what skin tone you consider yourself.
#3 If you did research, you would see that I have defended people of mixed race and that this was a slippage. For me to call mixed race people "mixed breeds", I would logically be calling Africans as well a full breed and personally I reserve the word breed for animals. I would never call some of my cousins mixed breed, not that I would think only towards them. Just on the fact that breed is reserved for animals to me point blank.
#4 If you had as much common sense as you claim you do, you would have simply Pm'd me on the usage of the word and I would have simply apologized and changed it, like I am going back to do instead of starting a thread on it trying to call out the site over my word slippage that could have been easily explained and corrected.
#5 Netwarrior or E-Revolutionary which ever one you are today, like you said you are not around Africans in your own area, so again how the heck can you judge a person across the ocean living in an area that is 50% African American? And yeah we have mixed people here too but again
#6 Then again you may be Jesus and not make any mistakes and simply looking down on us who do. LOL So since I have stated on here that I am Christian, but for my past wrongs will probably burn in hell in any way, I guess you can say my mistakes are a moot point..... Wait a minute you did way that you were using the N word on here once didn't you? I guess that means you make mistakes too huh? At least mine was only once how many times did you use the N word and you had the audacity to claim the moniker Peaceful while doing so? LOL
So what else do you have for me? I am going back to change the word in the other thread and gave you a simple apology and apparently one you did not accept. So hopefully you accept this venomous apology. You are the one who tip toed on here with a thread, dry snitching on what I did instead of bringing it to me in a simple PM and telling me to clean it up.
Don't call the site under question or the other mods when you have beef with me, especially when you can PM me to clean up a mistake I made or something that you thought was offensive.
On another note when I looked up the word breed it did say that it was offensive to mixed race people, something that I really did not know as I really never hear anyone here refering to mixed race people as mixed breed as you may have, so I learned something of importance from all of this BUT again I will say that using the word breed for any human is offensive to me and again if you did not read above I apologized twice for using it but NOT again. Accept it or not, that is your call..............
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LoL
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Posted: Wednesday April 12th, 2006 16:08 |
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safetyblitz wrote: AfriCariBrit wrote: I took you're words out of context? Are you messin? Do you want me to post the entire post from you coz it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference and my point would still be very valid?
Do research first? For what? What 'research' do you think is gonna make me think that YOU and others using unacceptable terms so casually, then brushing if off with a 'It's not really me who thinks like this, its the others' and a 'Oh, my bad'? is OK? I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to evaide responsibility by citing the 'others' that think like this or not, but it seems as though you are to me... I wasn't calling 'others' for their take on life, I called YOU, a BNV mod, a for using offensive terminology, I was very specific.
A slip of the keyborad! You're not even funny. My complaint (see Athaba, I can learn!) has nothing to do with whether 'mixed race' people are or should be considered African - thats another arguement altogether - I'm specifically complaining about your 'slip of the keyboard' in which you use a term you done know to be offensive to refer to a group of people, and my point is, to me, that DOES conflict with BNVs ethos. It may have been a 'slip of the keyboard' probably combined with a momentary lapse of good sense, but ish stinks regardless of where you do it... and implying my calling you on it was somehow premature or innappropriate just wiffs of the same stinking ish... Would you have rather I waited till you did it a few more times?.. Or until your 500th post perhaps?... Would that have been a 'better' way to handle this?
'Out of context'... are you saying there is a context somewhere within BNV's boards in which referring to people as 'mixed breed' is considered alright?...
#1 (and this is not a slip of the keyboard mods don't edit this)
Mofo (and trust me I would spell it out for you in loud red in all 12 letters for ya but out of respect for LadyDay and the other women on here I won't) you don't know me. Don't come on here claiming that you do. I said that it was a slip of the keyboard and my mind was on something else (a mixed breed rottweiler and lab to be exact and the amount of poop I would have to clean up if I got him). The word breed was a slippage point blank because I was thinking about a dog and mistakenly typed that in when describing people.
#2 The US (check my location) does not have the mullato issue that the carribs have. ours mixed race issue is different from yours. a drop of African blood in you makes you black here, there is not and never was an upper tier of AAs here well in LA but the south stamped that out REAL quick. So I don't see mixed race people as you do. Everyone light skinned here is considered BLACK whether they like it or not. The N word for whites is reserved for all of us no matter what skin tone you consider yourself.
#3 If you did research, you would see that I have defended people of mixed race and that this was a slippage. For me to call mixed race people "mixed breeds", I would logically be calling Africans as well a full breed and personally I reserve the word breed for animals. I would never call some of my cousins mixed breed, not that I would think only towards them. Just on the fact that breed is reserved for animals to me point blank.
#4 If you had as much common sense as you claim you do, you would have simply Pm'd me on the usage of the word and I would have simply apologized and changed it, like I am going back to do instead of starting a thread on it trying to call out the site over my word slippage that could have been easily explained and corrected.
#5 Netwarrior or E-Revolutionary which ever one you are today, like you said you are not around Africans in your own area, so again how the heck can you judge a person across the ocean living in an area that is 50% African American? And yeah we have mixed people here too but again
#6 Then again you may be Jesus and not make any mistakes and simply looking down on us who do. LOL So since I have stated on here that I am Christian, but for my past wrongs will probably burn in hell in any way, I guess you can say my mistakes are a moot point..... Wait a minute you did way that you were using the N word on here once didn't you? I guess that means you make mistakes too huh? At least mine was only once how many times did you use the N word and you had the audacity to claim the moniker Peaceful while doing so? LOL
So what else do you have for me? I am going back to change the word in the other thread and gave you a simple apology and apparently one you did not accept. So hopefully you accept this venomous apology. You are the one who tip toed on here with a thread, dry snitching on what I did instead of bringing it to me in a simple PM and telling me to clean it up.
Don't call the site under question or the other mods when you have beef with me, especially when you can PM me to clean up a mistake I made or something that you thought was offensive.
On another note when I looked up the word breed it did say that it was offensive to mixed race people, something that I really did not know as I really never hear anyone here refering to mixed race people as mixed breed as you may have, so I learned something of importance from all of this BUT again I will say that using the word breed for any human is offensive to me and again if you did not read above I apologized twice for using it but NOT again. Accept it or not, that is your call..............
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Let this be a lesson to all members - if you have a problem take it to PM first.
Africaribrit:
I'm not getting at you but in my book it's manners to speak to someone privately first any beef you may have with them. After all you wouldn't want it that a person who has a problem with you let's you know first time when you're in the middle of Tesco and everyone else can get in on your business - right?
Also it's in the guidelines. The same guidelines you let everyone know, the ethos of which, had been broken. 
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