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Posted: Tuesday January 1st, 2002 01:01 |
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Will He Be There Fighting For African Unity Amongst Radio Stations?
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Posted: Tuesday January 1st, 2002 01:08 |
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Meditation time.........
Still thinking!!!
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Posted: Wednesday August 17th, 2005 12:53 |
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I was wondering the other day does, anyone think it would be a good idea of all the commuinty station DJ/HOSTS i.e. Galaxy FM , Genesis, Powerjam, Juice fm, Bassline fm, Flames fm etc met up with with....
1. hosts from other statuions, in particular Angie le mar, Henry Bonsu, Dotun Adebayio, Miss P, Amina Taylor, Angie Greaves, Jenny Francis
2. Other Black Institutuions like Blacknet, Black Professionals, Black in Britain, Black Information Link, Society of Black Lawyers etc
3. well known black figures in the community like Ben Zappenhiah, Kwame Kwei Armah, Blacker Dredd, Joyce Ohahjah
to try and formulate solutions to deal with the variopus problems facing blacks in this country. I know that some of them may have beefs for whatever reason reason but the time has come for us to put them to aside because what is happening to blacks espacially the yopuths is bigger than all of the petty squabbles that have been taking place amongst people i.e Dr X vs Every other radio station
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 06:34 |
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I have called some of these radio stations and debated this issue ,like i`ve heard a few others callers from time to time say the same thing , YOU ARE ON POINT !!!!
this should be arranged and a time and place to be set .
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 09:10 |
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This is the most progressive post I have seen on this forum. Imagine all these forces working as one entity. Like the muslims have their uk organisation we should form the Unified African Council of the UK. (UACUK).
And even if thoses organisations dont want to band together we should get together in this forum to work out a way how we can make this happen.
I propose we come up with a 10 point plan of action in this thread to trash out a way of bringing all those who are intersted in this Idea together. We could all meet on a monthly basis to formulate a Strategy to band these organisations together.
What do you all think, also suggestions on the ten point plan would be a start.
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 12:16 |
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I am glad that I am not the only person who feels this way. I actually made this suggestion a number of times on various shows....
1. During JUICY ISSUES hosted by Macca C and Destiny Thursdays 8pm -10pm Juice FM 102.5FM. they preety much felt the same way, and even suggested people should exchange numbers. HOWEVER THEY DID REITERATE THAT DUE TO VARIOUS EGOS AMONGST VARIOUS HOSTS IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AS SOME PEOPLE DO NOT GET ALONG. but they generally support the idea.
2. I texted in my suggestion about two weeks ago during Bongo Tetteh, and Brother Omowale 12pm -3pm DE BRAIN WASHING SHOW, but got no reply.
3. I texted in the same suggestion to Brother Kwakus show on Powerjam about a month ago. He read it out, and asked me to ring in to explain further, HOWEVER STUPIDLY I HAD NO CREDIT, THEREFORE i was not able to reply. Also for a few weeks I have not been able to transmit his show on my radio.
4. I even texted the same suggestion to Amina Taylor in July during her sunday evening show on BBC Radio 94.9 on Sunday evenings. I GOT NO REPLY. I might try her again by emailing her instead.
AS FOR THE 10 POINT PLAN. IM STILL THINGING ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY IDEA I HAVE SO FAR WOULD BE JUST TO RING UP/EMAIL ETC, THESE RADIO HOSTS, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PHONE NUMBERS OF ANY STATIONS IF NOT I MAY POST SOME ON THE SIGHT. I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT.
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 18:32 |
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Is there any particular reason for "texting" radio talk shows?
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 15:32 |
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| I am, not too sure what you mean MGL. I text talk show usually because I do not have enough credit for a call on my phone, or when the phoene lines are too busy
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Posted: Friday August 19th, 2005 20:10 |
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I think the first thing we do is find the personal email address of all the dj we belive to be concerned about our community.
10 Point Action plan
Point 1
I propose we ask as many people on the board to send an email or text with your suggestion of a dj forum where they gather and agree on an agenda or a message. Even if they were to meet online it would be a start.
What do you think its a start, add to the plan if you think you have a way forward.
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I still think this is a good Idea these brothers and sisters reach so many people.
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Posted: Sunday August 21st, 2005 10:14 |
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If you want to participate in radio phone-ins, it may be sensible to get access to a telephone that can be used for speech.
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Posted: Tuesday August 23rd, 2005 08:36 |
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WITHOUT DEVIATING FROM THE POINT OF THIS THREAD MGL DO YOU THINK THE IDEA PROPOSED IS A GOOD ONE? IF NOT DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? ETC.
ALSO I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT MINISTER OF ACTION, SHORTLY WITHIN NTHIS WEEK I WILL TRY TO POST UP THE CONTACT NUMBER, AND EMAIL ADDRESSES I HAVE OF PEOPLE WHO COULD AID THIS CAUSE
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Posted: Tuesday August 23rd, 2005 13:16 |
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... before getting together "in unity" with Dotun Adebayo and Amina Taylor, perhaps you would like to read this
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum32/13666.html
... and before you "unify" with Angie Le Mar, I suggest that you read this ...
or this
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum32/12248.html
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in his bank account?
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in her bank account?
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in their bank accounts? Last edited on Tuesday August 23rd, 2005 16:36 by Kunjufu
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 09:45 |
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To an extent MGL I can see your point. I myself did not even know abouit the shooting of Azel Johnson. I am suprised that Angie Le Mar did not say anything about it, but am not suprised that Amina and Dotun didn't.
WHAT WOULD YOU SYA WOULD BE A MORE FITTING SOLUTION . DO YOU THINK I SHOUD FOCUS JUST ON THE COMMUNITY RADIO HOSTS
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 10:08 |
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Mr Rodney was surrounded by up to 25 police officers and shot dead nearly 4 months ago. This happened in London. Mr Rodney was a member of the community at whom Ms Le Mar's broadcasts are aimed. Ms Le Mar hosts a talk show where she claims to seek "your opinions".
Ms Le Mar has not said a single word about this serious incident after 4 months.
How would anyone listening to Ms Le Mar know anything about anything as a result of listening to her?
(A link to a related discussion on The EPN messageboard has been deleted by the moderators, or else you could read about the activities of some of the other people mentioned).
I suggest that you spend your time trying to find people who want to work for the betterment of the African community, rather than the betterment of their bank balances.
Alternatively, phone them up and ask them to explain themselves. Let us know how you get on.
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in his bank account?
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in her bank account?
Looking for "unity" ... or more money in their bank accounts?
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 11:39 |
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"I was wondering the other day does, anyone think it would be a good idea of all the commuinty station DJ/HOSTS i.e. Galaxy FM , Genesis, Powerjam, Juice fm, Bassline fm, Flames fm etc met up with with.... "
This question was posed years ago, without a satisfactory answer. For too long we have been searching for answers to the problems in our community.
I for one value our community radio stations. I also value the contributions/time and didication these presenters/DJ take to bring us our own sound/views on a daily basis, without gaining a regular income from them. (excluding advertisement revenue).
It goes without saying that if our stations come together they would be formidible, groundbreaking force and more importantly extremely powerful. How many of them see this though?
Here I beleive will come the answers to many of our questions and this is where we will be able to clearly see the different mindset in action.
However, before all of these egos can come together, we and them need to address our own business. Clear the clutter from our minds. Know exactly what it is that we want from the above. Heal the wounds within our immediate and extended families, (if there are any) and extend our knowledge about self.
Forget wants. Lets deal with need first. What is it black people, what do you really need.
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 12:03 |
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Just out of interest MGL i noticed in another forum, you kept on posting a picture which to my disbelief looked like Dr X sitting with Lee Jasper, and two other white guys at some sort of conference, could you elaborate on what took place at that meeting. Also I will try and pose some questions to some of these radio hosts. However I might have to leave out the BBC HOSTS (or email them instead). On one occassion I rang up Amina during her show, and some bbc radio moderator picked it up. Before I got to even speak to her they asked me what was the purpose of my call, and when I told them they took my phone number, then rang me back, then allowed me to speak to her. What disappointed me the most is that when I made my point to her I got no real feedback, she did not make any retaliation to my comment, she just thanked me for contributing then the show went to an advertisement break.
Maybe if I email them instead without the interference of the BBC moderators they will reply
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 14:49 |
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I suggest that you ask them precisely what they were doing and how the African community has benefitted ...
Counter-insurgents Reunited?
... "Black Community leaders" protest ...?
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Posted: Wednesday August 24th, 2005 15:31 |
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I done some quick reserach on the interent and found out that the picture is taken from a Metropolitan Police Authority meeting that was open to the pubic on the 28th Febuaray 2003.Hosts consisted of the Metropolitan Police Service, Home Office, and KEY COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES. The issue of debate was gun crime, and members of the general public where allowed to share their experiences with these figure heads.
More details about what happened are at the Metropolitan Website http://www.icsouthlondonheadlines/page.cfm?objectid=12711022&method=full&site
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Posted: Wednesday August 31st, 2005 09:56 |
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Galaxy99.5 fm:07908117619
Juice FM 102.5FM: 0208 740 5131
There is much more to come trust me
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Posted: Wednesday August 31st, 2005 18:23 |
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"We nuh bizniz wid unnu"
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Posted: Tuesday September 6th, 2005 15:49 |
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Whats going on moderators. Why was the number I gave for Genesis fm deleted?
Anyways.I put my question to the following people and this is what they had to say
DJ Kool Breeze of Flames 94.4fm
He siad it was a good idea but siad it it would be very hard to organise.
Doctah X
He basically said its very impractical. He said its stupid for a person to believe that we can all unite on the onus of colour. He also said that their are too many different personalities, and egos for this to ever happen. He also reiterated that somthing like this would need years of planning.
ILL SOON POST UP A THREAD WITH ALL THE CONTACT NUMBERS,EMAILS ETC
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Posted: Tuesday September 6th, 2005 17:28 |
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Judge J wrote: Whats going on moderators. Why was the number I gave for Genesis fm deleted?
Anyways.I put my question to the following people and this is what they had to say
DJ Kool Breeze of Flames 94.4fm
He siad it was a good idea but siad it it would be very hard to organise.
Doctah X
He basically said its very impractical. He said its stupid for a person to believe that we can all unite on the onus of colour. He also said that their are too many different personalities, and egos for this to ever happen. He also reiterated that somthing like this would need years of planning.
Judge J..I removed the details for Genesis...sorry but after certain incident and Dr x views about Blacknet and its users..i have absolutely no compunction in not promoting or colluding with anything connected to that station here...
I will say that your initative does have some merit and it would be good if an effective alliance were formed, to attack some of the most prominent issues facing our community today in coordinated way..
However I will give dr X, his due he is totally correct when he say it will never happen because of 'egos' on that he has hit the nail on the head...and he also identifies why in my view we have been so so ineffective to date...
However that said ...I still wish you luck on your endevours because maybe you might be the catylst for change that is needed..
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Posted: Tuesday September 6th, 2005 20:28 |
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I am totally against blacknet uniting with other radio stations that dont have the same outview like Blacknet
Before we move on with this grand project about uniting with other radio stations first I thik there is aneed to review the the intention and objectives of blacknet because with all the banner ads I see here looks like its making some profits and blacknet need to restructure itself in a way it can make profit as well as be a platform for a future media power house
so hard choices should made such as tonning down some of opinions here so advertisere would advertise more .......I hate this but i feel blacknet will eventually sell its self out to some CAPITALISTS through a back door merger ...just like BET and of course those are the harsh realities of FREE MARKET ECONOMY
we have to understand that this business is EGO driven so dont expect much
what makes you we can do something while we couldnt even agree on writing a letter to BIWATER at times when it was clearly on gun ho on privatizing water services in Ghana?unless I am missing something but we didnt do much either when Hurricane hit Jamaica ...
Maybe its time for us all to re evaluate our priorities right and come up with something that would separate us from other web sites
so lets be more careful when we want unity with organisations and individuals that want nothing but sell their souls
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Posted: Tuesday September 6th, 2005 20:53 |
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i know it won't be easy
but i'm sure we are all willin to put the effort into something as worthwile as this.
you know sometimes i think that all this chat here is so futile, that this whole online community is little more that a gossip forum... this is our chance to show that something really tangible can manifest from this ere place.
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Posted: Thursday September 8th, 2005 14:45 |
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I made contact with Mike T yesterday who is one of the "Three Wise Men"( along with DJ Yardi, and DJ Smash) who does a general talkshow on Bassline 97.9fm every Wednesday from 11.30pm to 3am. I asked him the same question. He said back in the day he use to attend those kind of meetings, he liked the idea, but after a while he saw it as pointless because of the following reasons
1. TOO MANY EGOS-He would not name any names of the DJ's/Hosts, but said that it got to a point where people where trying to out do each other.
2. Lack of Dedication-He went on to say that too many of these DJ/HOSTS (WHO HE WOULD NOT NAME)were all talk about helping the community,but when push came to shov they would fall back. He also said they failed to reach out to people who really needed the help, that they kept on preaching to people who were need.
Ill now try to contact Amina Taylor, Angie Lemar, Dotun, Galaxy fm and see what they say. I know I have been saying for a while that I will contact them but time has not been on my side because of University.ALSO THE PHONE NUMBERS, AND EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE COMING SOON TRUST ME.
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Posted: Thursday September 8th, 2005 15:30 |
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I am not sure if you read my above post but it would be better to know what these other radio stations stand for-apart from entertaining folks
otherwise your work done will be zero
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Posted: Friday September 9th, 2005 00:25 |
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Well look at it like this, before you request unity from the DJs, ask what have they done in iscolation that would really make a change when they unite? Not critisizing but I only know a handful that have actually taking on some form of organised responsibilities in the community. The rest r only respected for turning up to the radio station and coordinating conversations......is this what the basis of the leadership in the African communities is going to be dependent on?
I wont request for them to unite based on any reason relative to leadership in the community, I would ask them to unite based on advertising and popularising the real works and people putting stuff on the ground.
Secondly, if you ask any DJ about uniting with other DJs and his first words r to critisize the attempt by pointing out characteristics of other DJs, that DJ himself is rather exposing a side of himself. All those that say they r down from the start without the lefts and rights, r the genuine ones.
Roots FM discussed wit me hosting a talk show a while back, due to limited time from the work I do in the UHURU Movement I couldnt further progress that convo, Hmmmm, maybe if I took it I would have been a community leader and circulated in this discussion to unite with radio hosts who are now community leaders.
You would find out eventually these people are not the reason why the masses listen to their show, people listen to their shows because communication is something that is deprived of and threatened in our communities by the media making us fear one another, so private talk shows are the only time we get to engage with each other.
When we develop communities and more engagement, community employment, etc increases, where we can speak to each other freely and directly relative to our roles in community development, you would find out radio talk show numbers would decrease. And you would also discover why most of those who are actually active in the community are less likely to bother with the conversations.
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N.A.T: you makes sme good points which I'm going to extend..because whilst i think the initiative by Judge J, has some merit..I think its fundermentally flawed...
He mentioned Angie Le Mar, henry Bonsu, dotun Adebayo, Angie greaves and Jenny francis...etc.. The fact is unless i missed my guest these people will NEVER join such an initiative and even if they could.. They are simply in in a position as EMPLOYEES of their European owned Radio stations to voice our thoughts in a constructive or positive way...
Ben Zep, Kwane Kwei, and Joyce Ohahlah..are just well know black faces whilst they might be useful as figureheads..would they really have the time or committment to become involved? and why stop there why not ask Frank Bruno, Ainsley Harriot too..if the only two criterias is being Black and Well known..
As for Radio Stations like Juice, Galaxy, Genesis, PowerJam, Bassline etc or Blacknet, Black in Britian or Black lawyers... The fundermental flaw in asking these groups to speak for the community is simply this.. They have no MANDATE to so.. none of us are deomcratically elected in any way to feel confident to espouse the BLACK voice.. and for me its a bit presumptious to try and to so..
Plus just because a radio station or Website has the word 'black' in it does not make them either a BLACK organisation or that they share our ideas... I don't think Judge J has reaserched some of the names he put throughly because if he had..he might realise that some of the names he proposes are a contraction..
these btw are my personal thoughts and not BLACKNET UK!!
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Posted: Saturday September 10th, 2005 18:07 |
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Kunjufu: Your point about asking about Frank Bruno, and Ainsley Harriot was pointless, obviously I know where to draw the line.
However you do raise some valid points about some of the names mentioned being a contradiction, and about assuming because an organisation has the word Black in in their name that they are worthy enough to represent this cause.
Just remember that the whole onus of this thread was to get ideas from people about how some form of unity can be achieved. What prompted me to investigate these hosts opinions was the fact that no matter what show I listen to , whether its on Genesis, Galaxy etc whenever I listen to the people ring in, the underlining solution, to the issues they seem to bring forward, which seems to be echoed week after week seems to be U.N.I.T.Y. BUT ALL I EVER HEAR IS TALK, WITH NO ACTION.
Maybe my idea was a bit nieve, or idealistic? or maybe the mistake is that I just focused too much on just radio hosts. For example yesterday I put the question to Lawyer and Hakim who host the Argument Show on Flames 94.4FM on Fridays from 11pm to 1pm. He suggested
1.Instead of focusing mainly on radio hosts, to bring in more black people who work closly with the youths i.e. Youth workers, black teachers, mentors, etc
2. The meeting should not be a one off event, but somthing that would go on every year i.e every 3/4/ months etc.
IDEAS ARE NEEDED PEOPLE. Maybe Doctah X has a point about it being impossible for us to unite based on colour, BUT U KNOW WHAT WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WILL BRING IN LAWS THAT WILL AFFECT ALL BLACKS NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION, ETHICAL BELIEF, SEX, CLASS STATUS WE WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO UNIFY, AND THE WAY WE ARE DYING THESE DAYS AT THE HANDS OF OUR OWN THAT TIME IS COMING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
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Best is out of tune, say black community's 'real' voices
Demand is growing for a boycott of the Voice newspaper
Race in Britain - Observer special
David Rowan
Sunday March 10, 2002
The Observer
The switchboard has barely been silent at the Brixton offices of the Voice , 'Britain's best black newspaper' and new-found friend of Fleet Street's more conservative editors. Ever since he urged a return of 'stop-and-search' policing in a BBC interview last week, the editor, Mike Best, has found himself widely praised as a rare community leader who dares to tell the truth about black crime.
In a week when Ashley Walters, a member of garage band So Solid Crew, faced jail for carrying a loaded gun, and Jamaican reggae singer Elephant Man said he would never return to Britain after seeing a friend killed, finally a community figure was prepared to say the unsayable.
But beyond the right-wing press and his own newspaper, Best's remarks have been less well received. Particularly among those identified by the Macpherson report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence as having suffered disproportionately under stop-and-search. On black community radio stations and internet talk forums last week, demands grew for a boycott of the Voice and a mass letter-writing campaign condemning Best's alleged 'racism'.
It is here, say critics, that the issues affecting Britain's black communities are thrashed out in passionate debates and lively talk shows. 'It is here,' said one figure, 'that the black community tears its heart out over the things that affect their daily lives, not in the pages of papers like the Voice .'
The question being asked repeatedly is how the editor of a 40,000-circulation tabloid - known more for tabloid trivia, rap-star interviews and public-sector job notices than serious debate - has come to be seen as a representative community leader.
'Black people are the scapegoats yet again,' said Abdul Jahtata, who presents a talk show on the south London pirate-radio station Galaxy FM. 'The editor of the Voice knows that. He's just an Uncle Tom, doing the white man's work for him. The Voice doesn't represent us.'
The debate on the Blacknet internet forums has also been fiercely critical of Best, urging black people to boycott his newspaper 'to let them know they are not speaking for all of us'.
'He should have known better than to use this issue to raise the profile of his paper,' stated a typical message signed by The Realmiss. 'Mike Best is foolish, and ... should have known as a black journalist that if you say anything that falls into [the tabloids'] narrow perception of black people and crime, they will jump on it.'
Another contributor added: 'The last thing we need is the sus laws again. The police are just waiting for an opportunity to bring back those times.'
The debate has been the main talking point on black radio stations too. 'We're hearing from mothers and concerned fathers, even young people are ringing in worried about the growing gun violence,' said Kwaku, who presents a phone-in on Powerjam, a London pirate station.
'The community is fed up, and doesn't think the police are doing enough. But nor do they think stop-and-search will make a difference. The police will just target the black community, as if every young black boy is carrying a gun,' said Kwaku. 'A lot of our callers are saying it's poverty, drugs that's the problem. Films, records, even the Nintendo games the kids are playing - it's all violence-based. These young men are living out those characters.'
The community stations, especially the pirates, provide outlets for a range of other concerns that presenters claim find no space in mainstream black publications such as the Voice or its rival, the New Nation . 'People call us... about everything from immigration problems... to the lack of hygiene inspections at the butcher's shop', says Rene Dan, who presents the Sunday 'Interactive' talk show on Galaxy FM.
Today's show will be dealing with family responsibilities and problems caused by absent fathers, an issue causing great anguish among many of Galaxy's listeners. 'We're trying to get fathers to be more responsible, to pay more concern to their children,' said Dan. 'With that kind of support, we wouldn't have this chaos on the streets.'
Last week the hot topic was the failure of schools to provide an education that meets black children's needs. 'People say there's nothing in schools for their children - they're not being taught who they are. School exclusion is also a big issue - where do they go when they're excluded? What support do they get? These children end on the scrapheap.'
Another frequent topic on Galaxy, which has been unable to obtain a broadcasting licence, is the representation of black people in the mainstream media. But the main discussion has remained the problem of guns on the street, following remarks by Diane Abbott MP about a 'lawless gun culture' and further comments from Lee Jasper, Ken Livingstone's race adviser. 'We're opening a wound over stop-and-search,' Dan said.
Jahtata added: 'It's shameful that the papers are calling us criminals and muggers.'
Best, meanwhile, has no regrets about his comments, although he says he has been misquoted. 'I actually said that if stopping people would reduce the level of gun-related crime, then so be it. The next thing I know, I'm told the Voice was advocating stop-and-search.
'We care passionately about what's happening to our young people,' he told The Observer . 'Look, we have young men dying on the street. People aren't co-operating with the police. Something has to be done.' But whether Best has the solution remains a moot point within the black community.
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Posted: Saturday September 10th, 2005 19:11 |
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Jugde j: I'm just a lay person however i'd like to offer a point of view for you to consider and make of it as you will...
1. You will note the article from the Observer above, note that when the Europeans want to know what we are really thinking where they go to find out...(highlighted in red) Aern't these the very same insitutions you've just targeted?
2. I agree with you, you were niave, in that you focused your energy in the WRONG areas..first of all you never ever made a compelling case as to why unity was needed and nor did you research any evidence to support your claim, what it should be founded on..that is mainly why you're getting the brush off... Dr x is right basing your premise purely on colour won't work, will never work... We have simply moved on from the last century..therefore using last century tactics aint gonna work in the 21st Century..
secondary point: in this day and age there has to be one simple question that people have to get: what is in it for me? unless you answer that you aint getting nowhere...
3. Could it also be that you approached the wrong people?
Question what is the one thing that BLACKNET, GALAXY, GENESIS, BASELINE Etc ETc depend on?
Answer an Audience!!! So it begs the question why you went to the facilitators of Radio Talk Shows and NOT directly to the people that matter...My question to you is this...How do you KNOW this is something the people really WANT if you haven't asked them?
Secondary point, maybe its time WE (by that I mean Africans and people of African Descent), should start depend on ourselves and stop waiting for a LEADER, LEADERS or 'supablacks' to show us the way..and START to be MORE demanding as to what we want as a community..
4. I agree that there is a lot of 'talk' but anacdotal assumptions by itself is not fact, the actual facts are that there are pockets and uncordinated efforts everywhere.. Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean it isn't happening...
Secondary point: It is my belief that there will never ever be another mass movement like the UNIA..The economic and political climate is simply no longer exists... So maybe the mistake on your part is trying to recreate a new mass movement struggle..instead of Alliances across independant but like minded groups.. rather than trying to GET people under one roof, what is wrong with getting people to sign up to a common protocol, action plan..or better still asking them to suggest a plan they COULD LIVE WITH, instead of what they can't live with..
bottom line Judge J: you idea has merit, but you've not thought this through properly and you've not developed your argument to underscore why it is necessary ..until you do that you are going to struggle outside of your comfort zone..
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UPDATE
I rang Sista Riza from Galaxy 99.5/102.5 (depending on your radio signal) during her saturday morning information show last week. I asked her my question, and she said it would be good as long as the people were all focused on the same wave length.
I emailed the same question to Amina Taylor, Angie Le Mar, Jumoke Fashola and HAVE HAD NO RESPONSE....HHHHMMMM.
Ive been doing some thinking, even though to an extent Maybe Doctah X and Knjufu are right that its not practical to unify on the base of colour, Im not giving up yet. The way I see it no matter what religion, educational background, social status, family values you weer brought up with TO THE REST OF THE WORLD U ARE JUST ANOTHER BLACK FACE.
DONT U THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO UNIT FIRST THEN ONCE WE GET SOME SORT OF POSTION OF POWER THEN WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT OUR DIFFERENCES?
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Posted: Sunday October 2nd, 2005 16:29 |
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"I emailed the same question to Amina Taylor, Angie Le Mar, Jumoke Fashola and HAVE HAD NO RESPONSE....HHHHMMMM.
Now there's a surprise.
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Posted: Sunday October 2nd, 2005 17:43 |
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Judge J wrote:
DONT U THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO UNIT FIRST THEN ONCE WE GET SOME SORT OF POSTION OF POWER THEN WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT OUR DIFFERENCES?
Actually judge j..if people did that, it would be the biggest mistake ever....personally I would not get involved in anything where the parametre and the means for achieving these were not set out clearly and agreed by ALL parties..
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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 14:13 |
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I think the first thing we do is find the personal email address of all the dj we belive to be concerned about our community.
10 Point Action plan
Point 2
Set up an independant Bullitine board especially for Radio broadcasters were they can meet and converge their thoughts and ideas. Guests could be invited to participate to extend the debate or ideas. The organisation of the black presenters forum should be organised were a single conclusion should be met in a particular time frame which would be communicated through indiviual shows.
When the forum is set up all radio presenters we belive can further our goal 'unity amongst Radio Station' will be invited to partisipate.
Point 1 extended
All digital mediums should be considered when making inital contact ie.. text, telephone, email but the one most effective which has not been considered is VIDEO. If you camcorder produce a small presentation and upload it to some web space. All you have to do is post the link in the email.
If you need more info on how to do this contact
ielliot aka (ministerofaction)
londoncreative@hotmail.com
we need more members in BN to get involved in our quest.
Biig up Judge J for the vision
Hotep
Its time for these forums to evolve to the next level.
ohh.....
can sombody post all the relevant email addresses of all the presenters they have found.
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Posted: Monday October 17th, 2005 06:54 |
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Judge J wrote: I am glad that I am not the only person who feels this way. I actually made this suggestion a number of times on various shows....
1. During JUICY ISSUES hosted by Macca C and Destiny Thursdays 8pm -10pm Juice FM 102.5FM. they preety much felt the same way, and even suggested people should exchange numbers. HOWEVER THEY DID REITERATE THAT DUE TO VARIOUS EGOS AMONGST VARIOUS HOSTS IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, AS SOME PEOPLE DO NOT GET ALONG. but they generally support the idea.
2. I texted in my suggestion about two weeks ago during Bongo Tetteh, and Brother Omowale 12pm -3pm DE BRAIN WASHING SHOW, but got no reply.
3. I texted in the same suggestion to Brother Kwakus show on Powerjam about a month ago. He read it out, and asked me to ring in to explain further, HOWEVER STUPIDLY I HAD NO CREDIT, THEREFORE i was not able to reply. Also for a few weeks I have not been able to transmit his show on my radio.
4. I even texted the same suggestion to Amina Taylor in July during her sunday evening show on BBC Radio 94.9 on Sunday evenings. I GOT NO REPLY. I might try her again by emailing her instead.
AS FOR THE 10 POINT PLAN. IM STILL THINGING ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY IDEA I HAVE SO FAR WOULD BE JUST TO RING UP/EMAIL ETC, THESE RADIO HOSTS, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN. DOES ANYONE NEED ANY PHONE NUMBERS OF ANY STATIONS IF NOT I MAY POST SOME ON THE SIGHT. I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT.
I would like to know what the present situation is concerning the responses that you were seeking and if there has been any progress on this front.
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Posted: Tuesday October 18th, 2005 16:43 |
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If you read through this thread you can see some of the responses I got from the host, However I got no response at all from Dotun Adebayio, Amina Taylor, Angie Le Mar, or Jumoke Fashola.
I have not beenable to make too much progress lately due to my university work.
Though I think Destinyand Macca C from Juice 102.5 fm might be trying to organise some sort of public debate/discussion forum in the near future.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS? I AM I BEING IDEALISTIC?
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Posted: Tuesday October 18th, 2005 22:08 |
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Posted: Wednesday October 19th, 2005 20:13 |
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" ... However I got no response at all from Dotun Adebayio, Amina Taylor, Angie Le Mar, or Jumoke Fashola ..."
Can I suggest that you search this message board and those run by The EPN and Ligali and you might find out why.
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Posted: Friday October 21st, 2005 16:29 |
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... alternatively, try
dotun.adebayo@bbc.co.uk
amina.taylor@bbc.co.uk
angielemar@choicefm.com
... and let us know how you get on.
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