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Posted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 15:06 |
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azania wrote: The head of the CRE, Trevor Phillips has said that seperate classes for black boys are required to reverse the trend of failure at GCSE level. Currently black boys are the worst performing groups of kids at this stage of education with just over 36% achieving 5 GCSE at 'C' grade or above. The current average is over 51%.
Firstly why the failure of black boys? Mr Phillps claimed that there is a culture of failure in which getting bad results is seen as cool.
Secondly, will seperate classes reverse this trend?
Trevor Phillips is a publicity seeking ass every few months he comes out with something "contraversial" for the mass media to discuss.
Wonder why there are no black male role models lets see who got through
Darkus Howe
Tony Sewell
Geoff Schuman
Lenny Henry
Trevor McDonald
Simon Wooley
Lee Jasper
and Trevor Phillips and even he can't see the irony.
Trust me the guys with any purpose will never get though they will not be allowed only the clowns seem to make it coincedence?
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Posted: Wednesday March 9th, 2005 00:37 |
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| Africans are actually doing well at school.
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Posted: Wednesday March 9th, 2005 17:10 |
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| I don't agree with sepereate classes nor a black school. Children will have the same scores on anything If they are thought the same. It all depends on their culture and where they are coming from.
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Posted: Wednesday March 9th, 2005 21:47 |
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Seperate schools is the only answer!
I really don't understand why we cannot have it.
We have had - what? - more than 40yrs! of 'black' people FAILING in this MISS-EDUCATION system.
IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!
We have only to look at America and although separatism was not by choice - it worked.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 05:17 |
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This is a terrible idea, black boys are just as capable as anyone else, when studying for my degree black male kids both of African and West Indian origin did very well. This is a multi cultural nation, the Muslims who have separate schools are wrong and if we have race divided schools we will be wrong! Just make sure you kids do their homework and are not hanging around on the side of the street on week nights and they will do just fine. Stop looking for other people to blame, if we don’t work hard enough we fail, same as it is for white’s, Asians and everyone else. A lot of the problem is to do with poverty; white kids in poor areas do just as badly as black kids, its just we tend to live in poor areas more often than we should!Last edited on Thursday March 10th, 2005 05:18 by stone monkey
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 05:20 |
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Yes there is pressure holding us back from outside, but that does not mean we can ignore the fact that a lot of these problems are internal, we need to place higher importance on education than we currently do on material things.Last edited on Thursday March 10th, 2005 05:22 by stone monkey
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 08:03 |
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I just can't believe that all of the black kids who are failing is down to that they are 'hanging around street corners!!!' It just don't make sense.
Study the length of time the de-education system has been failing us. Are you saying that 'black' kids have been 'hanging around' all that time???
Sure they have got to work hard - but they are not starting with a level playing feild are they.
And I really don't like the constant comparison to 'working class & poverty', because that implies that all black kids are from those sectors!
I hate it when people say things like, 'yeah there is a problem from outside BUT...' ,then they usually go on to BLAME the victims!!! Why ignore 'the problem from outside'???? That 'problem' is significant, therefore we should not brush it aside, in order to accuse us!
Unless some other drastic change happens in the meantime, SEPARATE SCHOOLS is the only way forward.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 08:16 |
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What rubbish I am black and not from a rich family and went to a mixed school ... do the work and you will pass, don't and you won't! My best friend was Chinese, he was not taught Chinese history at school any more than I was black history. I am not denying we are at a disadvantage I grew up in the UK I have been picked up by the police for no good reason, refused from clubs, lost out on jobs which I am over qualified for, but separate schools is nonsense .. When you get out of that school you will still be in a majority white country! You want to self impose apartide, that is very wrong, if you can't handle being around other races then maybe you should consider living some where else! I am not falling for it black people are just as smart as everyone else, stop making excuses.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 08:42 |
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What rubbish I am black and not from a rich family and went to a mixed school Why did you say this?... do the work and you will pass, don't and you won't! Not necesaarily - like i said i cant imagine that all the black kids who are failing, is because they do not want to work! My best friend was Chinese, he was not taught Chinese history at school any more than I was black history. It goes so much deeper than that! A little thing called institutionilsed racism I do believe, plays a role I am not denying we are at a disadvantage Then you should realise what a significant fact that is then! I grew up in the UK I have been picked up by the police for no good reason, refused from clubs, lost out on jobs which I am over qualified for, These things you mentioned, surely happens once you leave school? But hey .... but separate schools is nonsense How do you know that? Like i said why not give it a chance? .. When you get out of that school you will still be in a majority white country! So? You want to self impose apartide Its already happening!, that is very wrong, if you can't handle being around other races then maybe you should consider living some where else! I am not falling for it black people are just as smart as everyone else So why are the kids failing then? If they are so smart, yet they are failing, that indicates that SOMETHING ELSE is wrong - no? , stop making excuses.
It seems to me as though YOU are the one making excuses!
And you still have not addressed the point as to why the 'failing' has beeen going on for so long!
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 11:38 |
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Alright heres my "rant" that I wrote and sent into the radio ,
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 12:51 |
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I SAY BEAT THEM!!
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 13:10 |
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I SAY BEAT THEM!!
Nah, I'm joking
Education is IMPORTANT, so can I take this opportunity to congratulate the black boys who are doing well
For those who are not...
Looking at the statistics, drastic measures are NEEDED.
Teaching the boys separately may be a good thing. Obviously teaching them along side their counterparts has not worked so why not teach them separately??
Yeh yeh people say the school is to blame, the teachers, absent fathers (this may be true) etc BUT the boys need to take responsibility for their own actions, surely they know about cause and effects.
So if they want to kick up stink because it's shameful all they need to do is change it by getting better grades. The power is in their hands. They will be doing themselves a BIG favour and giving themselves a good start in life
BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS
How hard is it to obtain 5 GCSE's I mean even if you get an F it’s considered a pass (only God knows why)?
Note: Aim for the best which is an A* grade
The sad thing is that because nothing has been done in the past lots of boys have grown in men without the standard qualification to even wash pots.
USE SCHOOL DON'T LET SCHOOL USE YOU
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 13:18 |
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I completely agree with Lexi, if the schools are to blame for being racist, they are not going to start helping us now. WE have to take action in ourselves, ANYONE can go to the library get a book and read, ANYONE can be with their children after school, go through their lessons and teach them if the schools aren't. In any situation a school can only do so much, but in the end it is up to the pupil to be willing to learn, and get educated.
Look at the Asian community, a group hated by the whites as much as they hate us, they are exceeding everyone academically, why is this?
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 19:13 |
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respecta wrote: I completely agree with Lexi, if the schools are to blame for being racist, they are not going to start helping us now. WE have to take action in ourselves, ANYONE can go to the library get a book and read, ANYONE can be with their children after school, go through their lessons and teach them if the schools aren't. In any situation a school can only do so much, but in the end it is up to the pupil to be willing to learn, and get educated.
Look at the Asian community, a group hated by the whites as much as they hate us, they are exceeding everyone academically, why is this?
............Correction.....Asians are hated MUCH MORE by Whites in general......The average Whitey considers that "they" want to impose their "Eastern" ideals here......they DON'T want to integrate(creating little Asia's everywhere they can)...they aren't "Westernised" like the indigenous Whites in their attitudes and general thinking and Habits and Pastimes......now add all that to their additional language and culture problems when they enter these White "Racist" Schools and Guess What?.......Despite all this they Nationwide give the indigenous Whites an Educational "Spanking" in their own Country!
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 19:43 |
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We, as parents/siblings etc, need to lead by example. No child is going to study when they have a member of their close family who boasts that they never went to school flashing the cash. They're going to see going to school as too much effort.
On the flip side, if they're constantly told that so'n'so never went to college, but is driving a nice car etc, they're going to think that's the way forward.
My advice is to lead by example. Even if you're a single parent with a boy child, you can instil in him respect for himself by bettering your own self. He will see the benefits and, as long as you telling him that if he gets his grades in school as opposed to night school, he should prosper.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 20:55 |
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| Thats all fine and dandy lady vee, and respect to you and yours, but sadly peer pressure has a lot to say about this too.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 21:03 |
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| Yes, it does @ Athaba, and I'm the first to acknowledge it, but our children need to find a balance between being accepted, and being allowed to "swot". My 17 year old did, so I'll be damned if my 5 year old doesn't. It's a matter of respect. Our kids should be taught to "move" in all arenas in life.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 21:03 |
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I dont think that separate schools is the answer, we have fought 2b treated equal and to end segregation, so why should we go bk 2that! Think why the hell havent black boys have not been doing well in school 4 so long??....i put it dwn 2 three things.
1. Black parents i beg u encourage ur black boys!...u gotta have high exspectation 4 ur children teach them to understand whatever suituation ur in every1 has da oppotunity 2 better themselves. 2 many parents are jus pushing there children 2 get a job and not bother wit a education.
2. White teaches, stop stereotyping!!! not every black boy was put on dis damn earth 2b a sportmanz, u get me. Once they see a black boy they jus persume that they are gonna be lazy, and if they are not then they jus surpress them anyway, and point them in the direction of sports. Not all teaches are like that but they are a lot like that. The media plays a big part in that 2.
3. BLACK BROTHERS....u gotta learn 2 help urself 2. Other people can give u support but u gotta take it all in. It all comes dwn 2u at da end of the day. I believe in each and every one of u, there is so much more 2 u lot than meets the eye if only u could see it. Allow the music the drugs and the gunz, dis is one life, one short life. Flip the scrip and make a change reverse the headlines "Top makes from black boys across the country. If the all of the obove were covered then there will be no stopping them. Easier said then done still....
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 21:04 |
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| I live in one of the UK’s most notorious black area’s, there are all black schools here with many black staff and it’s not helping! At the end of the day we need to step up our game and teach the children of our community there is more out there than singing and running. There is a prevailing idea in our community that anyone who does well academically is a sell out, they are some how no longer black or “Ghetto�.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 21:10 |
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Sweettingz wrote: I dont think that separate schools is the answer, we have fought 2b treated equal and to end segregation, so why should we go bk 2that! Think why the hell havent black boys have not been doing well in school 4 so long??....i put it dwn 2 three things.
1. Black parents i beg u encourage ur black boys!...u gotta have high exspectation 4 ur children teach them to understand whatever suituation ur in every1 has da oppotunity 2 better themselves. 2 many parents are jus pushing there children 2 get a job and not bother wit a education.
2. White teaches, stop stereotyping!!! not every black boy was put on dis damn earth 2b a sportmanz, u get me. Once they see a black boy they jus persume that they are gonna be lazy, and if they are not then they jus surpress them anyway, and point them in the direction of sports. Not all teaches are like that but they are a lot like that. The media plays a big part in that 2.
3. BLACK BROTHERS....u gotta learn 2 help urself 2. Other people can give u support but u gotta take it all in. It all comes dwn 2u at da end of the day. I believe in each and every one of u, there is so much more 2 u lot than meets the eye if only u could see it. Allow the music the drugs and the gunz, dis is one life, one short life. Flip the scrip and make a change reverse the headlines "Top makes from black boys across the country. If the all of the obove were covered then there will be no stopping them. Easier said then done still....
 That's what it's about. I'll be damned if I let one of mine become a "statistic"
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 21:37 |
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stone monkey wrote: I live in one of the UK’s most notorious black area’s, there are all black schools here with many black staff and it’s not helping! At the end of the day we need to step up our game and teach the children of our community there is more out there than singing and running. There is a prevailing idea in our community that anyone who does well academically is a sell out, they are some how no longer black or “Ghetto�.
Its also what and how they are taught too.
But i agree with sweettingzs to certain degree too. But the points you made - we have a mountain to climb.
I still say separate schools is the answer because it would certainly illiminate the second point you made about teacher's stereotyping.
That point in my mind, can be the most crippling of all, because the low expectations is actually taking place in the place where the teachers have the power to give them low grades! With this attitude prevailing the boys haven't much of a chance.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 22:10 |
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| The teachers also have the power to give Asian kids low grades but Hindus and Sikhs seem to be doing OK, I was born in the 70’s the UK was a nastier place to be black back then (I know it’s still bad). When it comes to G.C.C.S.E and above the teachers are really not able to control the grades kids are achieving An A grade black student cannot be given a fail, it would be easy to complain and have it rectified. Look at all the racist crap on this forum about mixed race people, Africans from different nations, different West Indian islands etc. Are we blaming “Whitey� for that as well! We need to educate ourselves as well as just relying on the school system
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 22:12 |
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@ Athaba,
I'll only agree to Black boy only schools once the hoodrat mentality has been dealt with. As it is, if we were to perpetuate this now, we would be making a rod for our own back, because our kids only have the hoodrat mentality right now.
As I keep advocating, until respect for oneself is taught in the home, it is never going to be recognised in the school, therefore the schools you are advocating will be a waste of time.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 22:12 |
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| Muslims are not a good example for separate schools anyway they do just as badly as us and there girls suffer badly in education terms. Hindu’s mix and they do well and it’s not like white society has extra love for Asians. My mother instilled the need for education in me, she made sure I knew who I was and where I was coming from, she made sure I had the ability to read long before I stepped foot in school. I was taken to the library to get books every week. I will not be convinced that black children need special schools as if being black is some kind of mental handicap. If you feel the system is failing our kids then step up and give them the extra teaching they need yourselves.
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