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Posted: Wednesday November 17th, 2004 22:11 |
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Are there any black schools in England (London) ? I'm not talking about these Minority schools in the poorer areas of Britain with eastern Europeans, somalians and white teachers.
I'm talking about, schools for Black students, with the Best black teachers, and the teaching of black history, what kind of community building can we have without such institutions? When does this become paramount in black empowerment? What effect does this have on our communities...do we rely on the government, would there not be any implications if the government was to take the lead in organising this?
There is plenty of relevant information on these forums, which would help develop the political consciousness of our youth through black owned/run schools...
I hope there are people working in these areas including black school teachers who could shed some more light.
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Posted: Saturday November 20th, 2004 21:05 |
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Yes there is...
There is a secondary school based in North London (Bruce Grove) called John Loughborogh. There is also a primary school based in Walthamstow called Hyland House.
These schools are Seventh Day Adventist schools that teach christian values and the teachers are predominantly Black - At least when I went there anyway...
I attended both of these schools in my earlier years and they helped to instill christian values in me as well as teach me alot about my cultural heritage
I believe there is another Adventist school, possibly in watford called Stanborough Park.
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Posted: Saturday November 20th, 2004 22:32 |
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| i did hear of a proper black school being discussed that would be funded by the LEA/GOV to combat the problems of secular education which seems to have negativ effects on young black boys
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 16:08 |
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@ LLoydy64 I too went to JLS, but lets be honest now....I think u need to take off the rose tinted specs.......Cast your mind back to how many students got 5 GCSEs A*-C??? Like any other school there were those who excelled and those who didn't and then there were those who just didn't learn anything except how to be the baddest rude bwoy in town.
The school was first and foremost a Seventh Day Adventist School with an ethos (V. V. Strict) to match.
I dont think just having black schools will solve the problem. It has to be more about your ATTITUDE to learn and how you perceive yourself..........
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 19:24 |
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| having black only schools would move th emphasis away from racism and bias that some dont knwo they are part of and move it toward better education and sourcing the actual root cause
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 21:57 |
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@Buu. The arguments for Black community schools is too strong to challenge. The issue is of organisation and leadership, especially parental leadership to bring this about. If the desire is strong enough the incentive is there. So read between the lines.
Like many things. It is not that these are not priority issues or not needed. It is who is prepared to make it a priority to dedicate significant parts of their lives to it.
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 22:33 |
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The amount of time we have been here a number of Black non-religious school should of been set up long time ago.
One that gives a fair appraisal of all African religious sytems of thought.
The amount of parents spending money on sending their children to private school | think shows that a significat portion of us will be prepared to pay for the privalage.
Given the will I think it is one of the easier things to tick off the list.
What I would like to see is good old fashioned Black technical/business schools of excellence.
That would be for the 14-18 bracket.
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 22:42 |
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Well, I used to go to an all black saturday school...that taught u ahead of what appeared in the curriculum plus added to that black history...having watched Roots there also...it gave u an outlook to the black experience in the West...have to talk to my parents to remember the name...but know it is not around now...what happen to institution like these... at least it was a start then we talking early 1990s now...Last edited on Sunday November 21st, 2004 22:43 by MyThoughts
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Posted: Sunday November 21st, 2004 22:43 |
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@Mansa Damn right about the last part. It's about techniquesa and technology and the ability to solve technical problems of all types.
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 15:41 |
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May I pose a question....How many black teachers are there?
Now how many of you are prepared to take up the mantle and teach our own black children?
I hear alot of people pointing from the side-lines but who is actually prepared to get stuck in?
There is a lot of we need this and we need that but lets start from the bottom and work our way up!
What is a lamp without any oil?
What is a school without any teachers?.................
empty vessels...........
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 16:08 |
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there are many black teachers who would be prepared to take the mantle. Half of my family for a start.
ANyway there is school in finsbury park called Kokayi Supplementary school, it has been going for 25 years, and provides saturday and evening classes to african children.
But like all things good for the community the council pulled its funding in august, so now it is working against the odds to stay open.
it was an excellent school, and they are now trying to raise the money to get more teachers. There was a full school of teachers, ready and willing to give their time.
Anyway, there need for black state schools is greater than ever!!!
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 16:56 |
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| i just remembered Lennox Lewis had school for kids kicked out of school the students excelled but due to klack of funding esp from the gov i think the school had to close. but it was a really good school from what i did read about it
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 17:46 |
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| Are the schools based on race or ethnicity? I thought with the large number of Blacks in the UK the numbers of Black schools would be larger.
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 20:34 |
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Hush, I like what u say, I was, in answer to the question, 'how many Black Teachers are there' going to say millions. I dont leave it all to the school, my wife and I teach, teach teach. We both work full time but still put in the hours each week teaching our kids.
We attend all school parent evenings together and go prepared with our agenda, even if its only five or six questions, WE INTERVIEW THE TEACHERS.
The kids want to be kids and we let them to a point, but the homework/studies, has to be done and done WELL, we check it ALL.
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Posted: Tuesday November 23rd, 2004 21:45 |
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They have exclusive Jewish schools as well so its a square init?
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| I may be slightly missing the point and please feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong. But aren’t you guys simply promoting segregation, which is something that doctor King fought against. If you mean Saturday school (which some of you have mentioned) then yeah cool. But normal everyday going to school that is purely for blacks, surely you not promoting this idea. Maybe I’ve got it wrong and I’ve misunderstood. Jewish people do have their own schools, yes. But I think that these are the type of people who are very happy to live in segregation, with their own banks, own school, and own community. I don’t want black people to live like that. I would rather work at fighting with my local MP to change the national curriculum rather than segregate our children. If there was a great school to send my children to in my area (speaking hypothetically because as yet I have none) but it was whites only I would go mad. Are you suggesting a blacks only school or have I misunderstood?
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 10:32 |
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RootChiller wrote: Hush, I like what u say, I was, in answer to the question, 'how many Black Teachers are there' going to say millions. I dont leave it all to the school, my wife and I teach, teach teach. We both work full time but still put in the hours each week teaching our kids.
We attend all school parent evenings together and go prepared with our agenda, even if its only five or six questions, WE INTERVIEW THE TEACHERS.
The kids want to be kids and we let them to a point, but the homework/studies, has to be done and done WELL, we check it ALL.
i am curranty training to be a primary teacher and i have to applaude you and your wife because one of my big issues is that i want parents to be more involved in their childs education. Teachers have 30 kids to deal with, lesson planning, research, conducting the lesson, evaluation, testing etc it is never ending. Sometimes parents simply taking an interest is a big help. You do not have to be experts in numeracy, literacy or whatever subject your child is doing. Simply show that you are interested. ask them what they are doing, what projects they are working on, what they enjoyed, what they didn't. Ask what they have done that they would like to take more interest in then buy them a book or get some from the library on the subject, or rent a video. If you have the time even take some trips to museums/galleries/local places of interest. Most of these are free. children do better if they know that what they are doing is important to someone other than their teacher. Some parents simply see schools as glorified day care centres. somewhere to dump their kids for the day. Reminds me of one episode of "The Simpsons" where the teachers went on strike and kids had to be taught at home and Homer says "Lousy teachers, palm our kids of on us!!"
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 10:35 |
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P.S. in response to the person who asked about Black teachers, i made a thread in the students forum and asked if anyone else was doing a PGCE. Not one response... I do know Black teachers are out there. I had many myself and there are many in my family. However, it is an extremely difficult and stressful proffesion, so i have no disrespect for anyone who wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Not too long ago i felt the same way!! 
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 11:27 |
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not only should we have separate black schools
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we should have separate gender school
a black girls school
and a black boys school
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 11:56 |
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I would say seperate classes but not seperate schools, boys and girls need to learn to interact with each other and learn the dynamics of social relationships, how to act towards the opposite sex and so on. They cant do that in isolation.
But I do think that mixed classes are detrimental to both sexes which is bourne out by school league tables.
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 12:12 |
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| "separate black schools, separate gender schools." Yeah right! Pull the other one mate. You're living in bubble land. So tell me, when these children come out of their segregated schools and have no idea how to interact with people of other races what will they do. They go to college, uni or the world of work and are so used to being around black people that anything else is just foreign. You might think that it's all good but it isn't. I live next door to a Somalian family and their children go to a specialist school for Muslim Somalians. They are bright children but the way they speak about anybody who is not Somalian is quite appalling at times and they don't see that this is a problem, especially whilst living in this country. The only reason why they are all right with me is because I tutor them. I will not segregate my children. This is not my country. This is a white mans country. So trying to make my kids believe that you don't have to work alongside white people, as well as your own people, in order to achieve something in this country is not the way forward.
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Posted: Wednesday November 24th, 2004 12:25 |
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@Trinity5000. Sorry had to respond quickly. Your response stinks of ignorance. Sorry to say and glaring ignorance at that. Especially as you claim you tutor kids which is frightening really.
Your assumptions are simplistic as they are offensive. First do you know how many ethnic communities have their own schools in this country from Italians, Japaneses, Polish, never mind Jews and Asiasns of all types. What are you talking about?
By the way whose children integrate and function not only normallly but perform and achieve at a higher level. I taught in seperate black supplementary schools which produced black students who were extremely successful and many today are future leaders.
Like saying if you work in a predominantly black environment which I have and the best working experience of my life like working in black countries you cannot work effectiely in other groups or communities..
Sorry foolishness, pure foolishness. Tell that to every other communities never mind Asians moving from Bollywood to Hollywood. You don't know much about human behaviour never mind educational strategies.
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Fredblack wrote: @Trinity5000. Sorry had to respond quickly. Your response stinks of ignorance. Sorry to say and glaring ignorance at that. Especially as you claim you tutor kids which is frightening really.
Your assumptions are simplistic as they are offensive. First do you know how many ethnic communities have their own schools in this country from Italians, Japaneses, Polish, never mind Jews and Asiasns of all types. What are you talking about?
By the way whose children integrate and function not only normallly but perform and achieve at a higher level. I taught in seperate black supplementary schools which produced black students who were extremely successful and many today are future leaders.
Like saying if you work in a predominantly black environment which I have and the best working experience of my life like working in black countries you cannot work effectiely in other groups or communities..
Sorry foolishness, pure foolishness. Tell that to every other communities never mind Asians moving from Bollywood to Hollywood. You don't know much about human behaviour never mind educational strategies.
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@DM - My response was directed at Sooofresh.
@Fredblack - Call me ignorant, call me foolish...hey why not go so far as to call me stupid because that's productive. I would love to see your plans come to fruition. I wouldn't partake in that madness but I'd love to see it. Take ten steps back to segregation. Whites only, blacks only, Indians only...whatever you want. Me and other Martin Luther followers will integrate and see what comes of it. Good luck mate. Hope it all works out for you. Go live by yourself in you own communities rather than working at integrating the communities and working at equality...yeah...ok. I'll stay and fight to get more black teachers in the mixed schools...but call me foolish. (By the way I hope you didn't teach anybody how to spell.)
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@Trinity5000 said"DM - My response was directed at Sooofresh.
Regretably none of us was too know that.
@Fredblack - Call me ignorant, call me foolish...hey why not go so far as to call me stupid because that's productive.
Regretably your comments were based on ignornace i,e lack of relevent knowlege or experience which contributed to foolishish ill informed statements. Nope no evidence of you being stupid thus far.
Productivity. Hmmm that is an assumption on your part that a) that is what you were doing, b) that was my primary objective as opposed to simply rubbishing your proposition which is tired and offensive and funny that similar to the dominant white agenda which promotes and allows seperate schooling for all except my people. Sorry if you cannot understand the irritation or if you are not serious about education and not aware of these issues and arguments.
I would love to see your plans come to fruition. I wouldn't partake in that madness but I'd love to see it. Take ten steps back to segregation. Whites only, blacks only, Indians only...whatever you want. Me and other Martin Luther followers will integrate and see what comes of it. Good luck mate. Hope it all works out for you. Go live by yourself in you own communities rather than working at integrating the communities and working at equality...yeah...ok.
Sorry..I must confess I did not know Dr Martin Luther King was an educationalist or authority on education. I personally would prefer to take my cue from Professor Gus John and others who come to mind.
I'll stay and fight to get more black teachers in the mixed schools...but call me foolish. (By the way I hope you didn't teach anybody how to spell.)
Well probably given that I attended and teach at institutions that you would probably fail to ever to be accepted at and teach predominantly whites of particular backgrounds, including a very long stint at a prestigious medical graduate school. I suppose teaching people to spell is par for the course.
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