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Posted: Thursday September 16th, 2004 20:14 |
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I wanted to know from people in the US( Ashanti and CeeCee especiall) about HBCU
What are the good ones, what are the bootleg oness? Are any of them approaching Ivy League quality or for the most part are they poor quality
I know Spellman in Atlanta meant to be good, Morehouse is meant to be OK. Dont know any others
Are non blacks allowed to attend. Also, are there any all white colleges.
Are most of the teachers in these schools black or is there a shortage of black in the US as well as UK. ( I know its impossible to answer, just speaking from your experience and what you hear in the news)
What about the board of governors of these HBCU.
Woild oit be a disadvantage of having an HBCU on your CV when applying in a white dominated area like Law. etc
The reason I ask these questions is because I think its time for all black schools in the UK and would like to know how its improved the fortunes of our people in the US
Any replies will be appreciated
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 15:59 |
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Hi bro...
I can only speak for me, I attended one and loved my experience. It was tradition in my family because my mother attended one...as did other family members. But for me I felt at home, like being around family and there were things I could connect to that perhaps I couldn't somewhere else, especially culturally. Of course your experience is what you make it. Someone else could just as easily post and say their's wasn't a good one. But I wouldn't trade mine for anything.
Yes, whites and other non-blacks can attend if they want too and the professors are from diverse backgrounds.
There are too many schools to list but the reason we have them is African-americans at one time were denied an access to an education and barred from attending all white insitutions...so HBCU's were established. Personally I have never heard of any being boot-leg so to speak... We have had some to struggle due to lack of funding...and we all know when there is no money, programs tend to suffer.
The ones you mentioned are the more famous ones...there are others, again too many to mention...Meharry produces Physicians...there are others that were founded to produce educators, ...over time many have turned out excellent minds in various fields, lawyers, computer science, etc...
You said that the UK doesn't have any all-black institutions...my question is why not?
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 16:11 |
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Lack of funding? Doesnt the givernmennt help? does this lack of funding affect how much you pay for fees?
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 16:22 |
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@ Cash
Some are private schools others are public.
The cost of an education is up everywhere but from my understanding HBCU's tend to still be more affordable.
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 20:55 |
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Here is some more info on funding...UNCF (United Negro College fund) proviedes assistance for the private HBCU's. (source: UNCF website)
The United Negro College Fund (UNCF) is the nation’s largest, oldest, most successful and most comprehensive minority higher education assistance organization. UNCF provides operating funds and technology enhancement services for 38 member historically black colleges and universities, scholarships and internships for students at almost 1,000 institutions and faculty and administrative professional training.
Over 60 years, the United Negro College Fund has raised more than $2 billion to help a total of more than 300,000 students attend college and has distributed more funds to help minorities attend school than any entity outside of the government.
- Today, of the approximately 65,000 students UNCF supports at about 1,000 colleges and universities, 60% are the first in their families to attend college and 62% have annual family incomes of less than $25,000.
- UNCF provides operating support to 38 (HBCUs), which helps the member schools keep tuition down to a rate 54% lower than tuition at other comparable schools.
- UNCF administers over 450 scholarships and fellowships that support students at the undergraduate, graduate and doctoral level.
- Hundreds of students participate in UNCF Corporate Scholars programs, which provide scholarships and internships with major Fortune 500 corporations.
- Targeted UNCF programs support post-doctoral bioscience and biotechnology research.
- The UNCF-administered Gates Millennium Scholars program, funded through one of the largest charitable gifts in history, can support a student from undergraduate school through their doctoral education.
- UNCF administers tens of millions of dollars that help provide computers, technology integration training for faculty members and technological infrastructure support for HBCU's.
In addition to scholarships and other forms of assistance UNCF provides to students, UNCF is also the largest non-governmental provider of support to 38 private member institutions. Because of support from donors through UNCF, member institutions are able to keep tuition approximately 52% lower than tuition at other comparable schools. That’s important, because over 90% of students at UNCF member institutions require some form of financial aid. Approximately eight-four percent of students at UNCF member colleges come from families with low to moderate incomes. UNCF member institutions do much more with less, conferring 7,307 bachelor’s degrees in the 2000-2001 academic year.
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 21:06 |
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Also Cash I thought I'd add a list from UNCF on some of the famous faces that have come out of Private HBCU's....
Graduates of UNCF institutions have made lasting contributions to our nation by building successful careers in the fields of business, politics, health care and the arts, to name a few. Some prominent UNCF alumni include:
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.- Nobel Laureate and civil rights leader
- The Honorable Alexis Herman- former U.S. Secretary of Labor
- Spike Lee- director, actor
- Samuel L. Jackson- actor
- General Chappie James- the U.S. Air Force’s first African American four-star general
- Dr. David Satcher- former U.S. Surgeon General and former director, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
- Dr. Walter Massey, former director, National Science Foundation, and president, Morehouse College
- Dr. Ruth Simmons- president of Brown University and first African American president of an Ivy League school
- The Honorable Hazel O’Leary- former U.S. Secretary of Energy
- Dr. Deborah Hyde- one of only four African American female neurosurgeons in the United States
- The Honorable Louis Sullivan- former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services
- Dr. Leroy T. Walker- former president, U.S. Olympic Committee
- Ellis Marsalis- jazz musician; patriarch of talented Marsalis music family
- Carl Ware- former Coca-Cola senior vice president
- Dr. W.E.B. DuBois- writer, scholar educator
- Willie Gary- prominent lawyer
- Dr. Marian Wright Edelman- founder and president, Children’s Defense Fund
- Lionel Ritchie- singer
- The Honorable L. Douglas Wilder- 1 st African American governor to be elected
- Keisha Knight-Pulliam- actress
- Randall Robinson- founder of TransAfrica
- Rev. Dr. Floyd Flake- president of Wilberforce University and former Congressman
- James Farmer- civil rights leader
- Tom Joyner- radio personality
- U.S. Representative Sanford Bishop (GA)
- U.S. Representative Alcee Hastings (FL)
- U.S. Representative John Lewis (GA)
- U.S. Representative Major Owens (NY)
- U.S. Representative Bennie Thompson (MS)
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 21:25 |
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@ Ashanti - dont forget
- Debbie Allen,
- P. Diddy
- and Amarosa!!
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 21:37 |
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Hey sis...
Thanks for including them.
I am in the process of trying to find a list with alumni from the public ones as well. I know Oprah Winfrey is a graduate from Tennesee State but my mind is drawing a blank as far as anyone else at the moment.
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 23:04 |
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Not that ''they'' matter, but is there controversy regarding HBCU's and as in it being racist or unfair, I was reading on the imdb forums and they were saying that there arent any schools labelled HWCU's and that it was a double standard.
some othe r poster had to show him that it wasnt us that banned ourselves from haveing an education and that it was a necessity. He then said, that was then is now and that HBCU's should be decreased. At that point, the other poster laughed and left it at that
anyways, just wondering if there is negative press. The wway I see US, everything is segregated anyways, it seems
All these questions are coming out becaus I watched School Daze and one money hungrry man wa as saying that to
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Posted: Friday September 17th, 2004 23:29 |
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No bro..there is no controversy here about their continued relevance as far as I am aware of. You have folks who make ignorant comments like that...they do the same with the NAACP. ...saying stuff like why isn't there a white version. I don't pay attention to that kind of nonsense because it shows that person's lack of knowledge of our history.Last edited on Friday September 17th, 2004 23:30 by Sage
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 01:25 |
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Cashmoney,
Very good question. You must remember that until the 1960's Black Americans did not go to college in large numbers.HBCU's were set up primarily to educated then "colored"student to teach in all-black segregated schools or become doctors/nurses in all Black hospitals.
These were the only schools that Blacks could go to.There was/is resistance to this day when it comes to Blacks and higher educaion.
I'm a graduate of Howard University in Washington DC.One of the few HBCU's with a law,medical,dental,international relationsand commuications school.
http://www.howard.edu
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Posted: Saturday September 18th, 2004 10:41 |
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I ALSO WANTED TO ASK:
WHY IS IT THAT MOST AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHETHER IN THEIR COLLEGESS,UNIVERSITIES OR NOT ARE SOOO OBSESSED WITH(white) GREEK FRATERNITIES?
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Posted: Monday September 27th, 2004 03:59 |
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| As a member of a fraternity I take some issue with the tone.The organizations are Black founded,funded,and run.Though the system maybe white in origin Blackgreel Letter Organizations have had a profound effect in America in all levels of society.
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Posted: Monday September 27th, 2004 18:32 |
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Cash,
I don't know why I didn't get to this post soon enough. Either I'm going from post to post or lack time to reply to some of them.Honestly, I've never been to Spelman or to any o fthe Black colleges on a full time basis. I only attended Spelman for a quarter.You ask about the " bootleg" schools? Some people considered Morris Brown College like that, but I thought that the classification of it being such was unfair. Morris Brown was not a " bootleg" college. The difference between that school and let's say Morehouse and Spelman is that big people, Black and even non-Black people give worlds of money to these schools as where Morris Brown , nobody cared two cents about it.
Another problem with Morris Brown is that they had the wrong administration. For years they have had people who failed these students. They ripped the poor kids off. Half of the times many of their classrooms didn't have air conditioning in it and the classroom was sub-standard but yet half of the faculty and staff came in with their big fine cars and stuff like that. There were major problems with the finanacial aid department. They may take a big chunk of those kids money and put it in their own. This is why Morris Brown College was in 27, 000,000 dollars in debt.These problems just didn't just start in recent years, they started way in the past. From what I last heard about it, they are determined to keep it open, inspite of it no longer being an accredited school anymore. Tom Joyner gave a million to help out. Morris Brown can be a gret school if they had better people to manage the school.Far as Spelman. it is a great school to go to if you're a liberal arts major and history. I'm not going to take that away from them. Personally during that one quarter that I attended that school, I didn't have a personal problem with those girls up there, but with some of them, just like my brother said about Morehouse, some of them can be pretty elitist. I'm troubled by the divisions that exist there. I mentioned something not long ago about this . That was in 1987, I thought it was an isolated case, I thought that my brother was hearing things but there are divisions there and I can attest to it. For example, some of the students at Morehouse and Spelman consider schools like Morris Borwn College and sometimes Clark-Atlanta University as " ghetto" schools. if you lived in a project . some of them , like some people in society, assume you're the worse person in the world because of it. My brother said that he witnesses a fight between some guy who lived in one of the nearby project there and a guy at Morehouse.The news said that he was beat up , basically for nothing. , but from what my brother and some of those guys at the school said, the man was roughed up because he just though he was so much more than they because he went to college. They said thst he was the kind of guy to put down people who didn't go to college. It's 2004. I thought the stuff would die. It didn't the last time I went 8 months ago. Even if you look at their website, you see some of those students discussing the school divisions. Although the site haven't came up for fall 2004, I will guarantee that you will see it.( the divions that the students mention about) ( the Web address is http://www.clubauc.com)
It's strange. My grandfather graduted from Clark-Atlanta University. His mom always wanted to go to Morehouse, but he said he never wanted to because of the snobbishness he witnessed. He said he preferred to go to a college where people were as he said " real". He didn't think that Morehouse /Spelman was real because they teach you about your history, but will disrespect you as bad as a White supremacist will to a minority. He said that if we should go to a Black school he preferred it being Howard University or to his alma matter.I learned something else about some Black schools. Let's say that you want to teach school or something else. depend on which Black school do you know that some Black colleges are not recognized as being accredited? In some parts Georgia for example, more white people/employers recognize school like Morehouse, Spelman or Howard university, but Morris Brown or CAU?Oh, no no.If you didn't go to recognized Black college , your degree is almost null and void and sometimes it's harder to get a job in your field because of this. I remembered a "mass exodus" of teachers had to go back to school because they didn't have their masters degree or they went to schools that their employeers didn't recognize. That is the only down fall when you go to some Black colleges.I attended a White University, not because I didn't like the AUCenter. My experience , for that quarter wasn't bad, though the divisions/elitism there had to go. unfortuntely, I went because of the cost. it was more expensive than the school I previously attended. If you want the Black education and understanding of the Black world, then Spelman and rest of the AUCenter is for you.
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Posted: Thursday September 30th, 2004 13:20 |
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Burning Spear wrote: As a member of a fraternity I take some issue with the tone.The organizations are Black founded,funded,and run.Though the system maybe white in origin Blackgreel Letter Organizations have had a profound effect in America in all levels of society.
isnt it a slave mentality having white greek fraternity? I wouldimagine that wouldnt it be cool having fraternities with motherland connection rather than greeks? I still dont understand on why an educated black person would join these organisations
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Posted: Thursday October 7th, 2004 16:43 |
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COLTRANE wrote: Burning Spear wrote: As a member of a fraternity I take some issue with the tone.The organizations are Black founded,funded,and run.Though the system maybe white in origin Blackgreel Letter Organizations have had a profound effect in America in all levels of society.
isnt it a slave mentality having white greek fraternity? I wouldimagine that wouldnt it be cool having fraternities with motherland connection rather than greeks? I still dont understand on why an educated black person would join these organisations
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You go to remember these organizations are respected because of the community activities in which they engage . Like, blood drives, AIDS awareness, aiding disadvantaged people.
In addition, these sorities and fraternities were started by Light skinned Blacks who had close family ties to White Slave Masters. So, they would not automatically want to connect with Africa. We can't blame anyone for these organizations. Now many Blacks join for job Oppprtunites as well.
Back to Black College!! I graduated from one ,and it was a Public School. Even Public Black Schools don't get all of their Aide from the Government. Much of their Aide comes from outside resources . Black Colleges are not respected by some Black Americans and even many White Americans are resistant towards them . Some people feel we don't need them anymore since White Schools which are private and Public are accepting AFrican Americans and other Minorities.
I can tell you this we still need Black Colleges because many Whites don't want to see us at their schools.
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Posted: Thursday October 7th, 2004 18:04 |
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| I've always suspected these fraternities and race factor behind it..no wonder they are sooo greek(white)
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Posted: Thursday October 7th, 2004 19:39 |
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COLTRANE wrote: @Ashanti&Burning spear
I ALSO WANTED TO ASK:
WHY IS IT THAT MOST AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS WHETHER IN THEIR COLLEGESS,UNIVERSITIES OR NOT ARE SOOO OBSESSED WITH(white) GREEK FRATERNITIES?
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These organizations were founded for various reasons but chief among them was to bring about sister and brother hood for African-American students on college campuses who were being ostracized because of the color of their skin. It had nothing to do with being obsessed with white greek organizations...in fact if you were to visit a black college campus, and witness the events of each greek organization you will see that our entire way of doing things is distinctively different than a white greek fraternity or sorority.
And before I leave this thread.. here is proof that the founders complexions ranged from dark to light. ...Below are the founders of the Deltas, the Alphas and the Sigmas..... So to answer your questions the answer is NO!
 
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TAB SAID:In addition, these sorities and fraternities were started by Light skinned Blacks who had close family ties to White Slave Masters. So, they would not automatically want to connect with Africa. We can't blame anyone for these organizations. Now many Blacks join for job Oppprtunites as well.
DONT YOU SMELL SOMETHING FISHY?
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Posted: Thursday October 7th, 2004 20:06 |
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Ashanti,
Great response.Not to belabor the point,but its ironic how some folks on this site are so -psuedo pro-Black,but seem can't to fanthom that African Americans have several institutions that operate almost independently of whites.
Granted some HBCU's were fouded by whites,but many were began thru very humble means such as Bethune Cookman College.Started by one of the great black woman of our time with $1.50 its blossomed into a beautiful institution.http://www.cookman.edu/Welcome/History/Default.html
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Posted: Friday October 8th, 2004 13:06 |
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The thing for me is if someone is genuinely interested in learning about another group (as most of us are here in part for the cultural exchange)...then it is totally unnecessary to approach their willingness to learn in a confrontational manner. Come and see a step show, the way these men and women pledge and participate in community service among other things...and one will see how rooted we are in our own culture and not of what has been implied here in the latter part of this discussion.
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Posted: Saturday October 9th, 2004 17:31 |
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@ashanti and bs
i gonna come at you with extreme views and would like you to answer them to the best of your ability.
Historically black schools wer there because of racial segregation
Therefore, now that segration has been lifted, should the HBCU's still be there???
Are there HWCU's out there outside of the Ivy League. Lets say I am a racist black, I could go to a college, uni whwere there will be no whiteys guarnateed. However, if I'm a racist white, unless I go to kansas or vermont or somewhere, I coudlnt guarantee going to a place with no blackies or lationos. Therefore doesnt that mean more choice for black people then whites or hispanics. Is this fair????
Also, there are many HBCU's so why are so many US brothers passing the soap in jail. Unlike here, the idea of racism cant be levelled at HBCU's so whats the reason for there being more brothers in pen then in uni
Racial segregation ended in 1960. If a school is set up after that date can it still be called a HBCU
And finally, how many non blacks ( particurly whites) were at your uni's@ bs and ashanti( ball park figure, I know you didnt count them by hand)
same question to ceecce, how many blacks and latinos were at your uni(ball park)
@BS specificaaly, I watched americas Model and Camille was talking about Howrd Uni and she was saying that it was important to look good, its all about the fashion. Is this true, and is it seen as the '' black harvard''
ps/ whats a wetback
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