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Posted: Tuesday September 14th, 2004 16:08 |
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howcome there arent much black students in a Uni ..the other day I took my bro down to coventry Uni and funny there werent much black students I asked admission officer she told me they dont have much black students..I wonder why?
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Posted: Tuesday September 14th, 2004 16:12 |
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maybe because not many black students would go to Coventry University. Many tend to populate Liverpool, London and Birmingham.
basically the good the universities.
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Posted: Tuesday October 19th, 2004 14:37 |
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Depends on the courses offered by the uni, there are over 200 back folk at my uni, 80 are in the school of sciences, the rest are scattered in media/business and art, large portion are overseas. I thought cov had a huge ACS... or am i mistaken
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Posted: Thursday October 21st, 2004 10:34 |
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Im at Middlesex (Enfield) Id say it was quite mixed but obviously mostly white students.
I guess Black people aren't steered towards higher education as those from other races ie; Asian, African and Whites
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Posted: Friday October 22nd, 2004 17:33 |
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SURVIVOR wrote: Im at Middlesex (Enfield) Id say it was quite mixed but obviously mostly white students.
I guess Black people aren't steered towards higher education as those from other races ie; Asian, African and Whites
Very sad story
@Survivor - I'm unsure as to what you mean above? Is it a typo or are you saying Black people and African people are different?
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Posted: Saturday October 23rd, 2004 00:28 |
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| @ ACB - I caught that too! we are a confused lot, arent we!
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Posted: Saturday October 23rd, 2004 00:49 |
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First of all I too would like to stress my confusion at this statement.
Secondly I think that we are all forgeting that we, as black people, do not make up even half the population of this country. So it is not possible for there to be a buldging number of students at universities outside of the main city areas. I don't agree with people making statements that black people aren't persuaded to go into higher education. My parents persuaded me and I think that even if they hadn't I would have gone anyway. It's up to the individuals, not the system. If you wanna go uni, then you're going to uni. Standard!
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Posted: Saturday October 23rd, 2004 14:38 |
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Bearing in mind that a lot of black students are failed by the education system at a young age, some shun uni as they dont want to repeat the cycle....
Also I went to Hertfordshire uni the majority there was white and Asian, there was also a lot of black students but they mainly came from Africa....
I do agree there is a lack of black students in uni's, Asians make up the largest minority in most uni's. Thats because they are the biggest minority group in the UK!!
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Posted: Sunday October 24th, 2004 10:34 |
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There are a lot of black pple out there, but unfortunately most black and asians are more bothered about making fast money and rap music. See the thing about young black is about GREED. most pple want fast money and buy spending the 3-4years at uni is not definately going to give them that oppotunity. Most blacks at my uni are mainly international students. Now over here in the UK most black are brought with that westernize way of life which is so sad. I remember growing up i was never allowed to play out or hang with the neighbours kids, after school i went home to books personal tutor (known as lesson teacher in naija terms) I was enrollled into variours sporting activities and youth clubs and not like my parents were strict they only kept me busy and that made me focused. This days you find that young black kids at the age of 13 are out till about 10-11pm in gangs causing trouble, rapping like brothas from the hood and dressed like gangstas(wot exactly is that) and at the end of the day nothing to fall back on. Let's face reality not every black brotha is goin to be a successful rapper/artist if that is the case looks like there is no money will be made cos you would want some1 to buy your music but if we are all rappers and artisit trying to make it then well it is down to the white brothas and ur mamas and papas to buy ur music. I am usually very impressed when i see black brothas who have worked their ass out to go to uni and achieve something you get them in all works of life top writers, investment bankers, chartererd surveyors e.t.c. I was at a bbq in the summer and i got chatting with a 13 year old and he plays a lot a football, i asked him what he wants to be when he grows up, this little boy said to me quote i would like to see myself playing football but i would also like to be an accountant i was well impressed cos prior to that all the other kids i have spoken to have no idea of wot they want to be! which is sooo sad. If this carrys on i think there willl be no black kids at uni at all..
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Posted: Sunday October 24th, 2004 18:51 |
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geegles wrote: There are a lot of black pple out there, but unfortunately most black and asians are more bothered about making fast money and rap music. See the thing about young black is about GREED. most pple want fast money and buy spending the 3-4years at uni is not definately going to give them that oppotunity. Most blacks at my uni are mainly international students. Now over here in the UK most black are brought with that westernize way of life which is so sad. I remember growing up i was never allowed to play out or hang with the neighbours kids, after school i went home to books personal tutor (known as lesson teacher in naija terms) I was enrollled into variours sporting activities and youth clubs and not like my parents were strict they only kept me busy and that made me focused. This days you find that young black kids at the age of 13 are out till about 10-11pm in gangs causing trouble, rapping like brothas from the hood and dressed like gangstas(wot exactly is that) and at the end of the day nothing to fall back on. Let's face reality not every black brotha is goin to be a successful rapper/artist if that is the case looks like there is no money will be made cos you would want some1 to buy your music but if we are all rappers and artisit trying to make it then well it is down to the white brothas and ur mamas and papas to buy ur music. I am usually very impressed when i see black brothas who have worked their ass out to go to uni and achieve something you get them in all works of life top writers, investment bankers, chartererd surveyors e.t.c. I was at a bbq in the summer and i got chatting with a 13 year old and he plays a lot a football, i asked him what he wants to be when he grows up, this little boy said to me quote i would like to see myself playing football but i would also like to be an accountant i was well impressed cos prior to that all the other kids i have spoken to have no idea of wot they want to be! which is sooo sad. If this carrys on i think there willl be no black kids at uni at all..
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Posted: Sunday October 24th, 2004 21:38 |
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geegles I am shocked. Shocked and disappointed that you are impressed when somebody black says that they want to go to uni and you are impressed when you actually see black people in uni. You need to expand your mind. Yes we actually go to uni. And this idea that black people all wanna be performers is an appalling idea. Yeah lots of black people are talented and some of them want to use this talent. If my mum had hindered my brothers talent or even my talent I would have resented her and my brother wouldn't be a signed artist. YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED MY FRIEND! This is the attitude of many white folk who think that we black folk are either entertainers or thieves. NO. If you wanna go to uni no one can stop you. No system, no government, no friends, no-BODY...only God. Black people, I implore you don't use any excuse not to go and don't be impressed when one of us actually wants to go to uni or makes it there. We to are intelligent enough to get in...believe it or not.
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Posted: Monday October 25th, 2004 11:01 |
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geegles wrote: There are a lot of black pple out there, but unfortunately most black and asians are more bothered about making fast money and rap music. See the thing about young black is about GREED. most pple want fast money and buy spending the 3-4years at uni is not definately going to give them that oppotunity. Most blacks at my uni are mainly international students. Now over here in the UK most black are brought with that westernize way of life which is so sad. I remember growing up i was never allowed to play out or hang with the neighbours kids, after school i went home to books personal tutor (known as lesson teacher in naija terms) I was enrollled into variours sporting activities and youth clubs and not like my parents were strict they only kept me busy and that made me focused. This days you find that young black kids at the age of 13 are out till about 10-11pm in gangs causing trouble, rapping like brothas from the hood and dressed like gangstas(wot exactly is that) and at the end of the day nothing to fall back on. Let's face reality not every black brotha is goin to be a successful rapper/artist if that is the case looks like there is no money will be made cos you would want some1 to buy your music but if we are all rappers and artisit trying to make it then well it is down to the white brothas and ur mamas and papas to buy ur music. I am usually very impressed when i see black brothas who have worked their ass out to go to uni and achieve something you get them in all works of life top writers, investment bankers, chartererd surveyors e.t.c. I was at a bbq in the summer and i got chatting with a 13 year old and he plays a lot a football, i asked him what he wants to be when he grows up, this little boy said to me quote i would like to see myself playing football but i would also like to be an accountant i was well impressed cos prior to that all the other kids i have spoken to have no idea of wot they want to be! which is sooo sad. If this carrys on i think there willl be no black kids at uni at all..
What the hell is this rubbish?
No mention of the fact the eduation system fails black your or een lack of funds to attend, but making money out the rap game? in england? please think before you type!
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Posted: Monday October 25th, 2004 12:54 |
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TRNITY5000...........I know wot u re saying, fair enough your brotha got a record deal.. am not saying hey parents should force their kids into doing wot they do not wanna do, but the issue is there are so many black kids out there that want a record deal.. fair enough if you do not want to go to Uni COOL.. get a job or sumthin at least have something to Fall BACK on if things don't go well... To be honest i do not care if blacks go to uni or not C'est la vie.. so much comepetion, so much talent that all music sounds alike, and usu how long does this last for.. usu 1yr/2 depeding on if you sell or not.. u have so many UK acts that come into the mkt and all they've done is not inspire us at all so much cover and same style of music.. some of dem get dropped after a year wen da record label has made enough money out them.. (without mentioning any names) i suppose that's another topic... I do have a mate who owns an up & comin record label he still works full time and he's got few artist signed on his label.. but hey that did not stop him from getting a degree OR working. (that is sumthin to fall back on)
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Posted: Monday October 25th, 2004 13:26 |
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stylishsista wrote: Bearing in mind that a lot of black students are failed by the education system at a young age, some shun uni as they dont want to repeat the cycle....
Black kids are failed by Education?? could u explain. pls & pls wot has the Black Community done about this???
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*$HaNnY_Bu* wrote: geegles wrote: There are a lot of black pple out there, but unfortunately most black and asians are more bothered about making fast money and rap music. See the thing about young black is about GREED. most pple want fast money and buy spending the 3-4years at uni is not definately going to give them that oppotunity. Most blacks at my uni are mainly international students. Now over here in the UK most black are brought with that westernize way of life which is so sad. I remember growing up i was never allowed to play out or hang with the neighbours kids, after school i went home to books personal tutor (known as lesson teacher in naija terms) I was enrollled into variours sporting activities and youth clubs and not like my parents were strict they only kept me busy and that made me focused. This days you find that young black kids at the age of 13 are out till about 10-11pm in gangs causing trouble, rapping like brothas from the hood and dressed like gangstas(wot exactly is that) and at the end of the day nothing to fall back on. Let's face reality not every black brotha is goin to be a successful rapper/artist if that is the case looks like there is no money will be made cos you would want some1 to buy your music but if we are all rappers and artisit trying to make it then well it is down to the white brothas and ur mamas and papas to buy ur music. I am usually very impressed when i see black brothas who have worked their ass out to go to uni and achieve something you get them in all works of life top writers, investment bankers, chartererd surveyors e.t.c. I was at a bbq in the summer and i got chatting with a 13 year old and he plays a lot a football, i asked him what he wants to be when he grows up, this little boy said to me quote i would like to see myself playing football but i would also like to be an accountant i was well impressed cos prior to that all the other kids i have spoken to have no idea of wot they want to be! which is sooo sad. If this carrys on i think there willl be no black kids at uni at all..
THIS IS BULL sh*t! SORRY, BUT IT IS!!!
INSTEAD OF DISPUTING ANY INPUT ON HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER... WOT EXACTLY DO U THINK IS THE REASON WHY THERE ARE HARDLY ANY BLACKS AT UNI!!!
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Posted: Tuesday October 26th, 2004 00:13 |
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I go to London Met North campus and there is a very visible black presence there. I agree that as we only make up 4 or 5% of the total UK population, we have to be realistic. However, apart from problems within education, that affects all working class children (in my opinion), we are forgetting that changes in student funding seriously affects how far people will go. I have to admit to telling my eldest to look for somewhere within commuting distance, because I can't fund digs,etc. A lot of youngsters really don't want to start working life with a big debt hanging over their heads, so they stay close to home or go somewhere near family and for most of us that would mean the cities with a large black community.
The problems within education are not going to change overnight, but as parents we can do our bit and check the homework, go to the parents evenings, set a curfew on school nights, let our kids know that you need an education no matter what you want to do. There are a lot of children out there who are getting more than 5 A-C GCSEs, but that doesn't make the news. But I digress.......
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Posted: Tuesday October 26th, 2004 00:14 |
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| @geegles: I agree with you. Some people just moan about everything. The Church, education system, and everything you can think of fails our people. But they don't do anything to help themselves and get out of this situation. I live outside london where there ain't many blacks, but I hate and I hate to go into shopping centres and see black people doing the cleaning and sweeping. If more and more black people get educated, we won't be doing all these mundane tasks.
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Posted: Tuesday October 26th, 2004 12:02 |
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Saint wrote: @geegles: I agree with you. Some people just moan about everything. The Church, education system, and everything you can think of fails our people. But they don't do anything to help themselves and get out of this situation. I live outside london where there ain't many blacks, but I hate and I hate to go into shopping centres and see black people doing the cleaning and sweeping. If more and more black people get educated, we won't be doing all these mundane tasks.
@ Saint - Just wanted to say that whilst doing my degree, I worked as a cleaner, I worked in a factory, in shops and bars - in fact pretty much anywhere I could that fit in with my studies and gave me much needed cash to support my family. Someone has to do the mundane tasks and often, those that do, particularly the 'younger ones', do so with a bigger goal in mind....
Also, I don't know the actual statistics, but I'm fairly sure I read not too long ago that African/Black people are overrepresented at Universities in terms of our actual numbers in the overall population in the UK...
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I think the point has been made by AfriCaribBrit. We are there, we are at uni. I am a minority in my uni because there aren't many black people in the town that I'm in. In fact, I think that these people had probably never seen so many black people in their lives until they saw us here as students. I think this conversation has become a little redundant. I think the points have been made and I hope everyone understands that we all have the free will to go to uni. I sure that most people will agree that you (whoever is reading this) are doing what you want to do. Most of us don't want to become performing seals for recording companies and most of us are choosing or have chosen our paths in life whether that be uni or not. And I would just like to add that you don't need to go to uni to be successful.
@geegles...geegles wrote: so much comepetion, so much talent that all music sounds alike, and usu how long does this last for.. usu 1yr/2 depeding on if you sell or not.. u have so many UK acts that come into the mkt and all they've done is not inspire us at all so much cover and same style of music.. some of dem get dropped after a year wen da record label has made enough money out them..
Wait until you here my bro (J'Nay) and then tell me that crap. Competition..yeah, no doubt. But this all music sounds alike som-ting...like I said before, expand your mind. Listen to something other than the same old tripe that you are spoon-fed through commercial channels and then come and talk to me.
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Posted: Thursday October 28th, 2004 16:18 |
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Ginger: "I go to London Met North campus and there is a very visible black presence there. "
- yea i also go to the same campus and its one of the only unis where u hav to count the white people. Theres a higher number of blak carribbean than any other uni i kno of but the majority at london met are black african or somalian. And lets face it, its a crap uni. I used to go Westminster and left it for London Met cos there were too many asians dwn there and the journey was long.
Its a shame to see that the only universities where blaks go are rubbish.The good universities are the ones where black people feel the strain, the sh*t ones will always have bare blaks. Money and location has a lot to do with this.. UEL got bare blaks cos nuff blaks liv in East london.
Saint: "I hate and I hate to go into shopping centres and see black people doing the cleaning and sweeping. If more and more black people get educated, we won't be doing all these mundane tasks."
Man what u chattin? Majority of these non-skilled workers are off the boat ? U can find ENUFF eastern europeans behind Dixy and cleanin toilets. This has nothing to do with education but the government takin cheap labour frm oversees. If it was related to education then we wud see a bit more white cleaners cos theres too many dikhead white girls on estates.
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Posted: Thursday October 28th, 2004 17:48 |
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Saint wrote: @geegles: I agree with you. Some people just moan about everything. The Church, education system, and everything you can think of fails our people. But they don't do anything to help themselves and get out of this situation. I live outside london where there ain't many blacks, but I hate and I hate to go into shopping centres and see black people doing the cleaning and sweeping. If more and more black people get educated, we won't be doing all these mundane tasks.
yeah and not everyone goes to church and shut our eyes..some dont even have religion some are spiritual and so forth
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Merkaman - Is it the admin or the courses? They do have a good rep re: Caribbean Studies, Social Science and some of the computer based courses. It is sad because when it was North London Polytechnic it had a very good rep.
The admin drives me crazy, left hand don't know what the right is doing!
I ended up going there because when I was looking for somewhere to go, they were really good answering queries, getting info to me...........lulled me into a false sense of security!. Just got to make sure we get something good and move on!
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Posted: Monday November 1st, 2004 12:29 |
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@All
it is about relative numbers.
For example
A population of 20 blacks in 100, means more likely to have 2 blacks at university .......
and for the 80 whites left then lets say 8 will go to university, so 2 blacks in a class of 10 might seem as their are no blacks going to university.
Not every white person goes to uni and not every black person does not go to uni.
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