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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 15:58 |
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Greetings Everyone,
I am interested to know now that the term has or is soon to be coming to an end, what do you guys plan to do next?
Stay on in sixth form? Go to college? Get straight to work? Take time out ...
I ask because I work in education and am not too happy to see that school leavers are not encouraged enough to pursue their education or career goals, once they have left.
Have any of you spoken to careers advisers at all for some directions or possible routes you can take to reach your goals?
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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 16:14 |
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I advise some of you to think about an apprenticeship. If you are planning to do electronics, mechanics, engineering the company you work for will pay for you education which as you know is quite expensive. Also you gain valuble work experience and knowledge of what you are doing. The UK especially needs people with these skills and the pay is quite decent. Its hard though and very academic so...
If you don't fancy the above and want to learn a trade like being a plumber, carpenter, electrician instead of something academic you can do an apprenticeship in that too (its essential for some trades). Again the company will pay.
If you decide to go to University make sure you know EXACTLY want you want to do and what the degree your studying is for. Have an end plan. Going to University is very very messy and troublesome so don't go there becuse its expected of you or you think you should... For some careers a degree is a essential (like medicine/Law etc) and it ain't easy!! You will have to support yourself too hmmm Thats why you need to think carefully about the career you want.... do I really need one?
If yes then good luck and all the best, but if you're unsure then seek advice and do work experience in your chosen field before commiting yourself.
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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 16:34 |
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Maat wrote: Greetings Everyone,
I am interested to know now that the term has or is soon to be coming to an end, what do you guys plan to do next?
Stay on in sixth form? Go to college? Get straight to work? Take time out ...
I ask because I work in education and am not too happy to see that school leavers are not encouraged enough to pursue their education or career goals, once they have left.
Have any of you spoken to careers advisers at all for some directions or possible routes you can take to reach your goals?
i intend 2 go on 2 further education but hav no idea where yet, ive applied to 2 sixth forms and a college but from what ive been hearin i dont think im diciplined enough 2 go to a college, im too used 2 teachers being constantly on my case for me 2 do my work so mayb college is not the best choice
I hav no idea what i want 2 do in the future, therefore for my subjects at college i just chose what i think i mite find interestin, but then again i mite be forced 2 change my subject options if i dont get the rite grades - i am DREADIN the 26th August so badly.
The school i went to organised for careers advicers from conexions 2 cum n talk to the yr 11 pupils at my skool individually but i thought it was a waste of time..........they seemd so rude and looked like they were always in a rush. I didnt feel like they were listening 2 u or givin u any positive advice, i dnt know maybe it was just me, but i really didnt see the point in them cuin at all!
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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 16:53 |
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@ LF
I know its hard to make a life changing decision now, its not fair... but thats how it is. A lot of people that take time out to think about what they want to do end up doing getting a job in retail and staying there. The longer you leave it the harder it is to learn.
You must think seriously about what you're gonna do, people will tell you that you are young and you have forever but you DON'T!! You can fix up in a few years and start learning then but everyone will be ahead of you by then, its a competition and it always will be. When you apply for a job you are competing, when you go for a promotion you are competing... You need to have the tools to put up a good fight and don't fall behind.
If you are really unsure then I suggest doing A levels in Maths, English and something you are very good at. This will give you two A levels that are universal and applicable to many jobs and one that may lead toward your career. Get a weekend job for the essentail experience too
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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 19:14 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: @ LF
I know its hard to make a life changing decision now, its not fair... but thats how it is. A lot of people that take time out to think about what they want to do end up doing getting a job in retail and staying there. The longer you leave it the harder it is to learn.
You must think seriously about what you're gonna do, people will tell you that you are young and you have forever but you DON'T!! You can fix up in a few years and start learning then but everyone will be ahead of you by then, its a competition and it always will be. When you apply for a job you are competing, when you go for a promotion you are competing... You need to have the tools to put up a good fight and don't fall behind.
If you are really unsure then I suggest doing A levels in Maths, English and something you are very good at. This will give you two A levels that are universal and applicable to many jobs and one that may lead toward your career. Get a weekend job for the essentail experience too
i understand wat ur sayin n am fully aware that lyf is full of competition, but universal subjects such has maths are extremely hard, and in my eyes i think i wud rather take subjects i know im likely 2 pass because from what ive heard gettin into Uni is all about ucas points................i dnt know maybe im wrong!!
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Posted: Thursday July 15th, 2004 19:24 |
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So what subjects are these that you're good at then?
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Posted: Friday July 16th, 2004 14:56 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: So what subjects are these that you're good at then?
the only 2 subjects i feel im really good at are business studies and graphics, howeva i wnt b choosin graphics as a subject 4 my A levels bcos i dnt think it really leads 2 anywhere
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Posted: Friday July 16th, 2004 17:19 |
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@ Lady Future
If your lookin to go into media, then I think Graphics would help u a lot, apart from that, i see where ur comming from. Its a wide subject that I think would be really fun, but maybe not lead to as many other places like other subjects. I wanted to take Graphics, but instead chose Media, Eng Lit + Lang, Photography and History. I wanna go into media, so most of mine are media based.
Then after college, off to travel a bit i go, then Uni, then travel tha world, and then get me started to settle down. Thats my future life in a nutshell.
Daymn...hope it all works out...
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Posted: Saturday July 17th, 2004 08:13 |
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laYd33_FrEnZy wrote: @ Lady Future
If your lookin to go into media, then I think Graphics would help u a lot, apart from that, i see where ur comming from. Its a wide subject that I think would be really fun, but maybe not lead to as many other places like other subjects. I wanted to take Graphics, but instead chose Media, Eng Lit + Lang, Photography and History. I wanna go into media, so most of mine are media based.
Then after college, off to travel a bit i go, then Uni, then travel tha world, and then get me started to settle down. Thats my future life in a nutshell.
Daymn...hope it all works out...
Thanks 4 the advice, i think i mite considor doin graphic as a subject dependin on how gud my results are - if i get an A it will a definate choice 4 A level but if i scrape a C or sumthin ill think twice..........all of the subjects i put down on my application im havin second thots in..............boi, i jus hope everything turns out alryt
by the way, how did u no i wanted 2 get in2 media?????
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Posted: Sunday July 18th, 2004 10:59 |
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I'd say try and stay institutionalised (further educaduation, apprenticeship, military service) for as long as possible. In this system, there's nothing worse than being socially free during those vulnerable years (mid to late teens) when socity as a whole is not ready to take you seriously.
Hopefully this should be governed by what it is you actually want to do in life. If I'm honest, me and many black people I know didn't have a clue what we wanted to be. Ok our parents pushed the usual talk about being doctors and lawyers but it would have helped if we had and saw black doctors and lawyers to relate to. Even when I finished college I still wasn't sure what I wanted to do specifaclly but more importantly I knew what I didn't want to do.
Have as many credentials in place for when opportunity decides to knock. Hopefully we've gone past the times where at the sacrifice of the childs education parents had children as a means to bring money into the house asap only to find they all ended up with bellies or in prison
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Posted: Sunday July 18th, 2004 22:52 |
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| Im going to college in september and hopefully ill be taking a sports first diploma. The course covers........practical skills and knowledge for the sports industry will be a major parts of this course, for example fitness and health & safety. Important career skills such as literacy, numeracy and customer service will also be covered. That course lasts a year then im going 2 do a national diploma in sports which lasts 2 years..........I chose this course because i wanted 2 get in 2 Physiotherpy (spelling).
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Posted: Monday July 19th, 2004 12:53 |
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@ Drunk Monkey: Thank you for adding such good advice. You are right about the trades being in great demand. So much focus has been made on the IT Marketing and Business industries but provision of practical/ocational courses are low. Plumbers, Electricians and Carpenters are popular fields to get into and thousands of people are experienced in these areas but just need their names on paper!!
Colleges work alongside employers to provide work experience and target 16 - 18 year olds specifically, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about experience.
@ Lady Future: i intend 2 go on 2 further education but hav no idea where yet, ive applied to 2 sixth forms and a college but from what ive been hearin i dont think im diciplined enough 2 go to a college, Of course you are disciplined enough. You've made it through this far haven't you! Please do not put yourself down. im too used 2 teachers being constantly on my case for me 2 do my work so mayb college is not the best choice The teachers are usually on your case because they too have to make sure their teaching standards are met and someone is usually on their case too. They just wouldn't normally tell you that.
I hav no idea what i want 2 do in the future, therefore for my subjects at college i just chose what i think i mite find interestin, but then again i mite be forced 2 change my subject options if i dont get the rite grades - i am DREADIN the 26th August so badly. There is a lot of pressure on you guys to achieve A - C grades but don't panic or worry if you do not get the grades you wanted, there is always a way to get into the area you are interested in. Not many people do know what they want to do when they leave school, they're just happy it's over!!
It may help you to consider what type of learning you want. A Levels are quite intensive and recruiters are quite strict on grades acheived before they offer you a place. You may prefer a BTec National Diploma, AVCE or even an NVQ. They aren't as intensive and you may enjoy it more.
The school i went to organised for careers advicers from conexions 2 cum n talk to the yr 11 pupils at my skool individually but i thought it was a waste of time..........they seemd so rude and looked like they were always in a rush. I didnt feel like they were listening 2 u or givin u any positive advice, i dnt know maybe it was just me, but i really didnt see the point in them cuin at all!
It's funny you should say that because I found the same when dealing with these people. They call us on behalf of students that they are supposed to be looking after and don't seem to set much of an example. Simple things like telephone manner they use amazes me....
Anyway, I can only stress that you do something that YOU enjoy. Business and Graphics are excellent choices because even if you change your mind once you've finshed college, there's a lot you can do with what you have learnt, whether you decide to go to uni. Whatever you learn is never a waste.
I just read back what you said about graphics not being any use. It sure is a lot of use. There is so much you can do with that. You can get into web design, logos, printing, magazine production, promotion, advertising ....there's a lot out there. We are creative people so image how good it could be to be artistic and get paid to do it  .
Please don't doubt yourself. Stay positive and good luck. I'll be thinking of you guys on the 26th.
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Posted: Monday July 19th, 2004 13:07 |
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laYd33_FrEnZy wrote: @ Lady Future
If your lookin to go into media, then I think Graphics would help u a lot, apart from that, i see where ur comming from. Its a wide subject that I think would be really fun, but maybe not lead to as many other places like other subjects. I wanted to take Graphics, but instead chose Media, Eng Lit + Lang, Photography and History. I wanna go into media, so most of mine are media based.
Then after college, off to travel a bit i go, then Uni, then travel tha world, and then get me started to settle down. Thats my future life in a nutshell.
Daymn...hope it all works out...
I'm glad to hear that you have a plan. The subjects you chose should still be alright to get into media as long as you focus on what you want to do at the end of it. Travelling the world is the best part of your plan and I'm excited for you. Enjoy it
@ All: Have you guys checked out a book called Occupations? You should find a copy in your local library or careers centre. This book is really good for telling you how to get into certain areas and places to find out more information on courses and jobs you can do once you have the qualifications. It's through connexions but luckily, you don't have to talk to any of them to find out what you need. LOL.
Here's their website http:http://www.connexions.gov.uk/occupations
OK will be back to talk with you more soon, but for now take care and please try not to worry about your results
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Posted: Tuesday July 20th, 2004 16:56 |
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Lol @ Lady Future,
I don't know, I just had an inkling i suppose. Media is becomin really popular and Graphics is definately a popular subject for it. I wanna go into media coz it looks fun n shud offer loads of moneyz lol.
Who knows, maybe in years to come we might see each other on tele..
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Posted: Tuesday July 20th, 2004 17:47 |
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laYd33_FrEnZy wrote:
Who knows, maybe in years to come we might see each other on tele..
Boi, u neva know!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Tuesday July 20th, 2004 18:02 |
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DrunkMonkey wrote: I advise some of you to think about an apprenticeship.
Jus wanted 2 know if you could take an apprentaship whilst being in full time education.........jus wanted 2 know cos Barclays bank are lookin 4 school leavers 2 train and wot not and i am in desperate need of a job 4 this summer (i recently quit my last 1).
I jus wanted 2 know cos i felt that maybe if i started wrkin there, if it is an apprentaship they will expect me 2 not attend college once september starts. if that is the case i wont bother start cos at the moment im determined 2 go college....
Anyway any advice wud be helpfull.
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Posted: Tuesday July 20th, 2004 18:28 |
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Jus wanted 2 know if you could take an apprentaship whilst being in full time education.........
No you cant.... A modern apprentice usually works at his job learning the trade he/she is in from experienced staff they are partnered with. I was partnered with an old Rasta who taught me all types of stuff unrelated to the job as well as what I needed to know but its the luck of the draw, some people dont like teaching!! Friends of mine who joined at the same time was partnered with a rude Asian man who didnt talk to him........ You must ask to work with someone else when that happens LOL
You will get a day or two off to do day release in an academic qualification related to your field. Bare in mind I said a DAY. When I did day release I was there at college from 9 till 7 and its an adult learning environment which is WAAY different from school. Teachers do not hold your hand, they lecture and demonstrate and then tell you weher to find your material. One thing about learning in this field (I suppose others too) is that the books you need are expensive, some companies you work for will buty them for you but you'll be lucky. Example the IEE wiring regulations 16th edition and onsite guide comes to about £60. You may need more or less books depending on what you do.
The combination of practical experience and academic learning (while earning a wage) is great really, but it means you cant really do something else at the same time... you aint a super human!!
Plumbers, Electricians and Carpenters are popular fields to get into and thousands of people are experienced in these areas but just need their names on paper!!
Just to let you know that such jobs are in great demand and are fun and very good jobs with skills you can use worldwide. There is a wealth of variety in the types of jobs you could do. For example a technician works, maintains and operates equipment, an electrician wires and connects it and the power and so on and an engineer designs and build the equipment. Thats one small example and there are hundreds of such jobs.
You could be an engineer and design complicated electronics and working with technical equipement. A strong point of these jobs is that you are constantly learning. Every few weeks new machinery, equipment is designed and you will have to learn it and how to fix/operate on it... its great fun. An alternative is the type of trade Maat was talking about..... you could be a skilled carpenter building quality pieces of work and so on. A strong point of these jobs is that you are always meeting people and working in different locations. Nothing bothers me more than the idea of jamming in the same building day in day out. My Uncle is an electrician and loves moving about everyday and never gets bored of hs job. He has worked on the Jubilee line extension, peoples houses, offices etc etc. Lots of new and novel experience.
Jobs in this sector are very hard work though and you will need to be good at maths and physics for most fields buts its enjoyable and stuff as opposed to monotonous, repetative and tedious.
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Posted: Friday August 27th, 2004 21:53 |
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Has anyone made their decisions?
or are you still unsure?
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Posted: Monday August 29th, 2005 23:40 |
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if you want to get into plumbing and all that, thats good because since london won the bid they are going to be rebuiling most of east london, people like plumbers will be in demand before 2012 and there is a lot of money there.
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