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Posted: Monday June 14th, 2004 11:48 |
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would like to hear about the experiences of black men who are attending University and those who are applying to university through UCAS.
Have you attended any presentations and do you feel you were taken seriously?
have you experienced racism at any point of in the process of academic study from tutors/ lecturers ?
I am interested in hearing how black males are coping throughout the process of their studies and how they are dealing with problems that arise.
The reason why I am so interested as I recently experienced some very negative treatment as a mature student due to being labeled and want to hear from other black men and their experiences in academic study.
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Posted: Thursday June 17th, 2004 00:17 |
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| When you atten certain institutions you have to expect racism, as I was even told by one of my secondary school teachers before I went off to university, that's just how it is and will be as we are a minority in this country.
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Posted: Thursday June 17th, 2004 12:32 |
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ZACK wrote: would like to hear about the experiences of black men who are attending University and those who are applying to university through UCAS.
Have you attended any presentations and do you feel you were taken seriously?
have you experienced racism at any point of in the process of academic study from tutors/ lecturers ?
I am interested in hearing how black males are coping throughout the process of their studies and how they are dealing with problems that arise.
The reason why I am so interested as I recently experienced some very negative treatment as a mature student due to being labeled and want to hear from other black men and their experiences in academic study.
I never had that problem at Nottingham University. I would think most universities in the Midlands certainly in the East Midlands wouldn't have too much of a problem with racism..
I never really interacted with the tutors so I wouldn't really know what they thought of me, I just did my work and left it with them, they seemed ok to me though.
If you have had problems though you should make a complaint, I sort of had this problem when I was at college, it soon stopped when I went above their heads.
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Posted: Saturday June 19th, 2004 09:41 |
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the Greyman wrote
When you atten certain institutions you have to expect racism, as I was even told by one of my secondary school teachers before I went off to university, that's just how it is and will be as we are a minority in this count
I understand you greyman but I am intrested to find out to what degree black males are experiencing racism at academic level.Its not somthing I accept and although I took apropriate action in my particular case and got a result I am concerned that there may be students going through it and feel just because institutional racism exists that we black men have to accept it.
oh by the way thanks for the link to the videos I was quite suprised how clear and smooth they played as even on broadband I still experience choppy video feeds on some music sites thanks for sharing brah 
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If you have had problems though you should make a complaint, I sort of had this problem when I was at college, it soon stopped when I went above their heads
all been dealt with peacemaker but need to make sure my brothers are not suffering in silence.
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Posted: Tuesday July 6th, 2004 14:01 |
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Im at Leeds Uni and havent experienced any racisim towards me at all.
I do get some looks, due to my choice of attire, but havent had anyone (apart from bouncers) being racist towards me.
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Posted: Tuesday July 6th, 2004 22:25 |
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I was at Newcastle and I've never had any problems - certainly nothing institutional. I was/am a mature student (well 22!) and my tutors are excellent, and Newcastle isn't really reknown for being a 'black' city. There was one guy who really didn't see eye to eye with me and tried to screw me over constantly but I think that was just because we rubbed each other the wrong way, nothing I think to do with him being prejudiced.
Thing is Universitites are focused on attracting international students due to bigger fees, quotas, etc, they do their best to attract and retain a mix of students. If anything home/white students complain of foreign students getting all the breaks.
Amongst my mates and family, the ones who have struggled the most are like my cousins who were totally used to going to a predominantly black school, living in a 'black area', only having black friends (well mostly), etc. struggled to fit into the diverse student body at Uni, not because of racisism but because they felt as if they didn't belong, or weren't welcome. We can be so paranoid at times!
Don't think you'll really experience racisism but *ignorance* - remember you'll meet a lot of people who have led very sheltered lives and haven't really known or fraternized with black people before. Which is why you need to see yourself as an ambassador for black people(wherever you go not just uni), because for a lot of people who meet you at uni & elsewhere will form lasting opinions (rightly or wrongly) about what black people are like based on your behaviour.
Of course you will always get the occassional bigot that slips through the net and somehow obtains enough power to make your life a misery, but thats life I guess.
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Posted: Friday August 6th, 2004 13:35 |
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I went to Manchester Met never had any problems really although when you caught the bus on the way to uni or back people did'nt want sit next to you the same was for all my friends as Mancheter had a problem with gangs they would think you were one of them. Got some friends who went to the university of Manchester and she said she would have problems where no one would want to sit next to her in the lecture theatre and that when she entered the lecture the theatre people would laugh at her and people would laugh at her in the hall ways. She said she would go home crying and didn't want to go to lecures causing her to have bad grades she also began to loose her self esteem. She was a foreign student from the seychelles, as a male people would probably have been too scared to do it to me or the probably would have done. Their mission is to stop black people from achieving because the best place to stop a black person is in the universities.
Saying that I did my maseters in London at the university of Westminster in Harrow where I feel I got attacked by own black people. They saw me as different because i spoke with accent that was North of Watford. I grew up in a town that was full of white people so I had to be tough and walk like ten men. when black people saw this in London they saw it as threat and when i would walk past people they would look me up and down. Another thing is that in my town if you see another black person you say hello i's a mark of respect as there are few of that was the way i was cultured, when I was in London I used to say hello to everyone they thought I was crazy I heard I don't know you. This is because there are so many black people in london and instead of sticking together they often fight amongst each other so I quickly recognised something "culture" and adopting to it doing the wrong thing in a alien culure can cause confliuct you have to quickly adjust, thats my message for new students.
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 12:00 |
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| Nice Posting UrbanChaos..."Another thing is that in my town if you see another black person you say hello i's a mark of respect as there are few of that was the way i was cultured, when I was in London I used to say hello to everyone they thought I was crazy I heard I don't know you"........I'm sure you're right M8 but makes me weep!....When Scots/Northerners come down where U traditional greet complete strangers on the bus/supermarket etc. they can't believe how anti-social we Southerners/Londoners are!......."I don't know you!" lol
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 12:03 |
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| Went up to Manchester for The F.A.Cup Semi-Final....Millwall v Sunderland.......Those "Makems" Sunderland fans totally different class ppl......Friendly almost to a man....laughing/joking ....pleasure to be in their company even though I supported the rival team!.....and the Manchester folk?.....More friendly strangers approached me that day than in the last 5 years in London and The Suburbs!
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Posted: Tuesday August 24th, 2004 16:13 |
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Niccolo,
It's funny that you brought the thing up about your cousins. You said that they had the hardest time trying to adjust to a majority White University. My brother and I was raised in a racially mixed environment. I just graduated for a majority white university and my brother ( he doesn't have his degree yet) went to Morehouse College. My experiences at my university was great. On a personal level, I didn't experience the out right racism that some other have faced on some White Universities, though My mind was always open to it. My brother believe it or not HATED his majority Black school. He didn't hate it because it was al black as some people may think. His proble with Morhouse? He said he hated the hypocrisy that took place in that school.
For example(s) before they began to revitalize sections of the West End ( where More is located)they used to have housing project in many of these places around Morehouse and the rest of the AU center. He claimed that some of these guys would constanly put these guys down because of it without knowing who they are. One Morehouse student, he said, was beaten up by one of the people from the projects because of his constant put down about their residence. Basically, he said that when it came to Spike Lee and that picture he made( Do the Right thing). he bascially described Morehouse in that manner-- the inner conflicts, not so much of color as it was with elitism.I thought that my brother was joking about it, but he wasn't. In 1987, the was a controversy about the school because of what one person had printed about all of the schools in the AUCenter and it stated" My Wife comes from Spelman, My girlfriend went to Clark-Atlanta and my Ho went to Morris Brown ". As an African-American woman that offended me as well as many other Black people who attended those schools. If that was somebody who did that at a majority White University he would have been cursed for such words.
If you go to the AU Center you hear the words of people expressing their pride of who they are and why they came there. I have no problem with that and I certainly will not blame every student for the actions of a few/ Intially I wanted to go to Spelman, but I didn't go there for the followong reasons 1) Too much money, it was far more than the White University I went to 2) I prefer co-ed schools 3) Some, not all, of them has some serious attitude problems that need adjusting. Many Black people send their kids to schools like Morehouse College, Spelman etc for their kids to get a top notch education and moreso to learn more about themselves. I'm not going to dis those schools in terms of learning more about themselves and their history because it's great, but if you're going to those schools and experince the same kind elitism./divisions there ,we may as well sendf out kids to the White ones. At least if you experience it there, it will come as no suprise to you and you will know why. Don't get us wrong if it wasn't for schools like that , we would be going to school today, but those division got to go. We as Black people should be prejudieced among ourselves when some of us is tryng to better ourselves in our own learning institutions.
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Posted: Wednesday October 27th, 2004 17:17 |
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TWIX IM AT LEEDS MET,I AGREE THAT BOUNCERS AND GENERAL SOCIETY THAT IS OUTSIDE UNIVERSITY HABOUR MANY RACIST ATTITUDES.SOMETIMES U CANT EVEN ENTER A CLUB OR U GET WATCHED STEP BY STEP IN A SHOP OR SOMETHING.
THERES ALSO RACISM FROM WHITE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS.BASICALLY ITS EVERYWHERE.
TWIX,WHATS UR DRESS ATTIRE?RU GANGSTER?IM PURE GANGSTA I GET LOOKS ALL THE TIME.IM BLACK THOUGH,WHAT CAN I SAY
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Posted: Wednesday November 3rd, 2004 17:58 |
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WHAT IS LIKE AS BLACK MALE IN A PREDAMNATLY WHITE UNIVERSITY REAL BLACK MEN ARE NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY THE WHITE FAUCIALTYS AND STUDENT BODIES IN THE UNIVERSITIES IN THIS COUNTRY ALL THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE BLACK ATHLETES IN THE PREDAMNATLY WHITE UNIVERSITYS THESE PEOPLE ARE RACIST AND BIGGOTS AND WHITE SUPEIRORIST AND SOME OF OUR WOMEN ARE DOWN WITH THAT PROGRAM I CALL THEM FEMMENIST PREPETRATING AS WOMENIST OR WOMENISM THEY ARE NOTHING BUT FEMMENIST CHICKENHEADS WHO ARE LET THERE HYDGEINE SLIP AND USING VEIHCLE INTIMADATION AND ALSO BRAKING THE LAW AND VICTOMISE MEN ON PREPAST WITH THE HELP OF THESE WHITE LIBRAL MEN AND PANHANDLING BLACK DEMOECRATS MEN AND WOMEN I HATE THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE CAUSE SO MUST TROUBLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH GENDER DISCRIMNATION,RACE BAITING,SYMPATHY OF WOMEN WHO CANN'T DO THE WORK OF ADMINSTAITION AND PHYSICAL WORK OF MEN,KILL THE DREAMS OF ALL OUR CHILDREN WHO ENBARKING AN CAREER AS PROFESSIONNAL WHAT EVER WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY IS THE WHORSE OF NOT TAKING SERIOUS MIND PEOPLE SERIOUSLY ARE BONIFTED BLOODING HEART WHITE LIBRAL RACIST THESE ARE SPECIALLY NOT TO BE TRUSTED PERIOD BUT IT'S SOME BLACK MEN OUT THERE WHO ARE MARVRICKS PUSH THE ENVOLOP OF OUR SOCIETY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO A MORE UNIFORM THINK OF RELIGEON AND BUSSISNESS AND ALSO GOVERMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY I FEEL THE BLACKMEN ARE GOING TO LEAD THE WAY LIKE CARL PICKKINS THE COWBOY INVENTED BULLDOGGING OR CHARLE DREW WHO INVENTED BLOOD TRANFUSSION AND ALSO BLOOD PLASMA BY THE WAY DETROIT IS ONE BIG SEWER RED NECK HAVEN AND THE WOMEN ANINT CRAP AND SPECIAL THE BLACK WOMEN
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Posted: Wednesday November 10th, 2004 07:10 |
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Niccolo,
Is that you're pic on the side? If so, you are absoluetly handsome! Sorry to stray off topic, but my are you just gorgeous. 
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Posted: Tuesday December 21st, 2004 23:07 |
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i started my university degree almost 10 years ago, this was in London. I remember one night standing in the students union and being by approached by this very attractive blond and whispering something in my ear. The music was playing quite loud (not believing my luck) i asked her if we could go outside so i could hear exactly what she had to say. Indeed she obliged, we went out and she started telling me that she wanted to go home but was wondering if i had any speed i could give her.
As i was new in UK I didn;t know what speed was, so i asked her to explain herself. She then went on to tell me it was a drug and she didn't want to say it loudly incase other people would hear her. I was furious with her and told her exactly what i thought. I mean this girl made simple assumption that every young black man is a ready made drug dealer. Well she went on to apologise lol.
As for grading and awarding of degrees I have seen it with my own eyes that they do not like giving a 1st class degree to black men they would rather give them 2.1 ofcourse it isn't the case for all black men but i am aware of many cases where black guys were expecting and felt they deserved a 1st only to get 2.1. While the white guys get 1sts and 2.1 with minimum work.
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Posted: Tuesday February 1st, 2005 12:02 |
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not experienced that much racism from staff, they were quite cool actually, but i did from some students and when i worked as part time staff at my students union.
however, as my Uni was about 40% ethnic minority, you'd have to have bigballs to be racist ..and usually had those balls deflated anyways. so yeah it was quite cool for me. someone called me fukcin N to my face..and he and all his 25 m8es got banned from the SU for 6 months, some of them got banged up at the hostels..which i wasnt in favor of but..there you go.
tbh i always wanted to go to a uni with a serious minority %age, maybe like 2% or something. just to see if i could make a difference, and BE different. you cant really stand out in somewhere with 40%
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Posted: Saturday August 13th, 2005 14:43 |
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| experienced some rascism from the lecturers they always seem to think that i need help and that i got into the uni by pardon. Some of the students are pain in the asses especially the international students who come from countries where they are no black people some of them still see black men as sub human and not intelligent. But the most priceless thing to get back at them is getting the best marks the look on their face when they see you are better than them is priceless
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Posted: Thursday August 18th, 2005 04:35 |
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Yes, Attended and graduated University and Graduate level Masters Degree school as well
Never experienced racism, especially from Instructors and professors.
University was the best time--great and unique classes, excellent lectures and professors, great arts and cultural interests to attend, excellent sports, played soccer, golf tennis and rugby, great film society, debate club, political union, the hottest women and great place to make the best mates
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Posted: Tuesday September 20th, 2005 09:52 |
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I totally disagree with peacemaker!!! I was at Nottingham University and had problems from day one with racism.I am a mature student who, was on a social sciences course.
My experiences have led me to believe it not just a case of racism.If you are looking at racism you are really not getting a clear picture of what is going on.The reason I suggest this is because,black women would arguably not have experienced what I have experienced in social sciences.Some of the course outline is directed to black women as victims, black feminist perpectives bell hooks etc.There are no black male perspectives in any of the works or male perspectives.If you introduce any you better sign your "Death Certificate" (Ice Cube 1991).Just to put you in the picture here, those of you who remember the Rodney King getting beaten up on film should remember this.There were no black women getting beat up on film!!! But still we just screamed racism when we should of screamed misandry!!! A point made by Farrell (1993) in "The Myth of Male Power".
Nottingham is central to "Domestic Violence" policy as recognised by the goverment and example are organisations such as the The Womens Centre, Nottingham Agenda,The Sexual Abuse Project etc.The organisations mentioned rely upon research for more funding from yes, you guessed it the same tutors who tutor your black a***s.Read the research before you go to their classes!!!!! See the common theme in the organisations above?They all hate men and support women as victims.So unless you are going swallow their nonsense like a good "Uncle Tom" you are academically dead as a black man or a man in general.
What I have actually experienced you may ask?Here is my list!!!
1.My course is 120 credits in first year. I was only told when I got there I would have to choose 20 credits outside school.When I approached the Law School on the phone they said they had space. When I got there they said they had none and ask me what qualifications I had by desk staff (I didn't need any for course).
2.Dr Andrew Crompton in a full lecture theatre asked me to stay behind.I stayed behind and he said "I just wanted to check you turned up I have had problems from your sort before". When I was in his class he insisted on slapping my hand when he thought I did something wrong.
3. Dr Tony Fitzpatrick is very racist.He removed a question on race off the exam at the last minute.Telling only the students who were there at the last class.I was the only black person in the class.Also, as exams officer the department should write to you to inform you of a date and time of a retake.Nottingham University changed the system and I did not get my letter and missed the exam.I got a 0 and was nott allowed to retake and it messed up degree result.
4. Dr Elizabeth Murphy really hates blacks men with venom.Did not want to listen to my solution in a presentation.This solution has been supported by solicitor I have approached and the police now opperate something similar(hmmm I wonder).I got a big applause from the tutor who said it was a great presentation.However, she was being watched by Murphy.The tutor was supportive until I left.Then when I noticed my result I only got a 40%! Great presentations are not 40%!
5.They know your number,they know who you are from your style of work.A white female tutor who had never met me handed my work back with just my ID number on it.It was the first peice of work she had picked up!!! I have also see exams officers bend the corner of a paper when handing in my work.I have also had no feedback and work go missing not returned.Tutors hang around to see who is handing in work and what you look like to your ID number. I also caught a member of staff discussing my work with Tony Fitzpatrick when they thought I had gone home (with the work in her hand).
6. They refused to sign anything to say I had passd my degree.I think they hoped I would fight them and shout and get arrested.My tutor told me I had passed but they did not put my name on the board.
7. Career development are really racist as they don't help black british!
Tips
1. Never submit a proposal that is another way of finding out who you are!
2. Never show them what books you are going to use for dissertations.They will loan them out for the rest of the year as academic staff can!!!!
3.Read up on your tutors past work (if you have time or get a synposis).You will get an idea of their stand point and you might get someone an idea who is on your side.That really helped me or I would have been in real trouble.
4.Get a white friend to hand in your work or different people.
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 21:14 |
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| im so sad 2 hear about your experiences, it makes me want to not go uni at all, God bless us black people, is there any hope. Anyway all the best int he future and may God help you to achieve your dreams you deserve it babe xx
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 23:04 |
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My educational history is vast and complexed.. Started in the 60's with me having my own version of ADHD, EBD and a host of other titles that the "experts" labelled me with.. and I was a handful who was in and out of the "system" and institutions..
It progressed in 1977 when Oxford refused me a place that I thought that I had earnt. I had 5 grade B A-levels and they gave some bullsh!t excuse which I can not remember now, for turning me down..
Yet with a 1st from elsewhere, an M.A and a M.Phil, and 23 years later, were keen to have me back to do my Doctorate, which for professional reasons and ego, I was happy to complete there..
I had no real issues getting my B.A, [but it took me over 4 years to get into my place of choice] and the lecturers did have to swallow some humble pie along the way. And I have since shamed them big style by being a success and refusing to come back there and teach or lecture..
My M.Phil had a thesis of about 45,000 words and went through the same hurdles. It went through draft stage 4 times.Two of those was just attitude adjustment on behave of my senior tutors.
My M.A had a thesis of about 35,000 words.. It again, went through draft stage 4 times. But this time the crap was professionally disguised, but I pulled on my other experiences.
My Doctorate was 170,000 words [Doctor of Science which is higher than a PhD] and had a public disputation, went through after 7 daft/redraft stages and I was on the verge of saying F**K it.. but stuck it out. For this course I did some of my medical residency in the USA…. Totally different attitude there.. It was a very positive experience and made me wonder why I did not do the whole course there.. [It was not financially practical for me to do so but it did make me think].
NOW my sister,, went back to Uni at 40 to do (Law/similar) in London and they made her life HELL..Made her resit her finals by doing an additional year and then downgraded her to a 2:2,, which appealed but lost..
BUT on a good note, my mum went back to college to study French and passed her French GCSE at 61 with a grade B..
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Posted: Tuesday July 4th, 2006 14:30 |
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flow-unclever wrote:
As for grading and awarding of degrees I have seen it with my own eyes that they do not like giving a 1st class degree to black men they would rather give them 2.1 ofcourse it isn't the case for all black men but i am aware of many cases where black guys were expecting and felt they deserved a 1st only to get 2.1. While the white guys get 1sts and 2.1 with minimum work.
Damn True!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a certain southeast london college (won't mention no names) is on the same thing with black kids
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