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Posted: Friday March 2nd, 2007 20:00 |
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Black pupils 'are treated worse'
Black pupils are routinely punished more harshly, praised less and told off more often in English schools than other pupils, an official report says.
It says the staff in many schools are "unwittingly" racist, with black youngsters three times more likely than white to be expelled permanently.
It describes this as an "iconic issue" for black Caribbean communities.
The Department for Education and Skills said using "the R-word" was unhelpful, but it is to issue new guidance.
'Iconic'
The report - Getting it. Getting it right - had advocated a focus on the 100 schools with "disproportionately high" exclusions of black pupils.
A DfES spokesperson said the numbers involved in any one institution were small so it was hard to draw general conclusions about which interventions would work or not.
"We are not making any suggestion at all that this would equate to a list of 'the schools where black Caribbean pupils are most likely to be excluded'," she said.
But it is going to target support to schools and local authorities felt to need it most.
The report stemmed from a "priority review" involving officials, head teachers and others, headed by the department's director of school performance and reform, Peter Wanless.
It was completed last September and leaked to a newspaper but has only now been published, as questions were being asked about its continued non-appearance.
BLACK PUPILS
significantly more likely to be permanently excluded
routinely punished more harshly, praised less and told off more often
1.5 times as likely as white British pupils to be identified with behaviour-related special needs
outperformed white pupils in school entry tests - when these were changed to teacher observations the pattern was reversed
disproportionately put in bottom sets - due to behaviour rather than ability
much less likely than the average to be identified as gifted and talented Source: Wanless report
It says every year 1,000 black pupils are permanently excluded and nearly 30,000 suspended.
It describes this as an "iconic issue" for those of black Caribbean heritage.
"Exclusions are to education what stop-and-search is to criminal justice", it says.
A key factor is "the marginal status of race equality" as "important but somebody else's problem and politically correct nonsense".
The response to race equality legislation by many schools, local authorities and even part of the department itself "has ranged from grudging minimum compliance to open hostility".
'Using the R-word'
The review considered two strands of thought.
One argument holds that "largely unwitting, but systematic, racial discrimination" means staff expect black pupils to behave worse.
The other argument is that black pupils, especially boys, are subject to outside influences and cultural stereotypes that cause them to behave more aggressively in school.
The report favours making schools the focus. It says they can be categorised broadly as those that "get it" and those that "don't get it".
"The main barrier to an effective closing of the exclusions gap is the need to engage the co-operation of those schools who have not 'got it' yet."
The report highlights - in bold, in a red box - what it calls a "key decision: using the R-word".
"Properly understood, Institutional Racism is not such a 'scary' thing for an institution to admit to," it says.
But it is "highly charged" and the department must decide whether to use it in its guidance or something "that has less inflammatory potential" but might be less "challenging".
The DfES spokesperson said: "It is hard to see how using this label would help schools and local authorities to take intelligent action to tackle the issue."
'Nuclear' option
The report says the schools inspectorate, Ofsted, has not been "robust" enough with schools but has expressed a willingness to do more.
There needs to be a "nuclear deterrent" for those that have consistently failed to tackle their exclusions gaps, it says.
But it accepts that the sort of special measures used for educational failure would never be invoked just on this issue.
Instead the Commission for Racial Equality might issue a compliance notice under the Race Relations Act, it suggests.
Schools Minister Jim Knight said: "We want to ensure that we are able to equip our schools to identify the in-school factors and have a better understanding of 'culturally different' behaviours."
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Posted: Friday March 2nd, 2007 20:30 |
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 same old same old
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Posted: Friday March 2nd, 2007 23:44 |
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Posted: Saturday March 3rd, 2007 09:25 |
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As usual this is another story that is a surprise to the left wing liberals that hitherto believe Britain is not a racist place, and a confirmation to most black people of what they already suspect…..
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Posted: Saturday March 3rd, 2007 13:04 |
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Remember there were three of us in our class they split us up and put us in diffrent classes even though there were only about 6 of us in the whole year including 2 mixed kids.... teacher used to favor my european friend over myself even though we were best friends she'd mark up his work even though he copied me. Gave up on school found it boring, started doing drugs (both in school and out). Found a liking for maths, me and a few friends would have competitions to see who could finish first... teacher saw my work and said I was cheating and downgraded me.
Apparently they were all oblivious to the fact that I had done ALL the work upto year 10 the second from last year as I had a private school education before going to a state secondary. Thank god I had a mind about me and enjoyed reading otherwise secondary school would've messed me up.
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Posted: Saturday March 3rd, 2007 20:03 |
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Posted: Saturday March 3rd, 2007 23:35 |
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| I've noticed that they keep saying black caribbean children. What about Black African kids? What's the statistics for them? Do the white teachers even distinguish between them?
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Posted: Sunday March 4th, 2007 09:48 |
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blaze wrote: I've noticed that they keep saying black caribbean children. What about Black African kids? What's the statistics for them? Do the white teachers even distinguish between them?
Under the Race Relation Ammendament Act 2000 schools are now required to log the ethnic origins of their pupils! So yes they do distinguish Black pupils in to sub categories: Black Caribbean/Black African (which also has sub sections of Nigerian/Ghanian etc) Black/White Caribbean/African and Black other; which is the smaller groups of African pupils. They are required to do this because much research re: underachievement found that schools just lumped all Black pupils in to one big section - when they eventually made these distinctions they found that Black 'Caribbean' boys were by far the lowest achievers. Black African boys are also performing below average, but they are doing marginally better that Caribbean boys.
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Posted: Monday March 5th, 2007 08:12 |
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Are you suprised?
This is nothing new.
The new thing is; it is up to US to change things.
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 10:27 |
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you can use a word Albino(Skin pigment deformation resulting into white skin) for whites. If they can keep names so can others. Color of the skin is the just a formation of skin pigments. If the whites consider that being a black or brown means a deformation of skin the even white color of the skin is due to lack of pigments so even that is deformation of skin. Though blonde is normal color and Albino is a disease but indirectly both means white this will be tit for tat answer for racial idiots. If they think that being black is disease then even being white is a disease.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albino
These whites think that they were given higher status by God. But most of the religious figures of all religion were non whites then why and how do these white consider themselves higher than others. Either they consider each and every one as equal or even they will be treated with discrimination.
http://www.answers.com/albino
Even the word negro was a corruption of greek word nekros meaning Necrophagy a term used to describe that group of people who feed on dead bodies. There are few group of people in Africa and a sect called Aghori saints and Rakshash tribe of India who feed on corpses but this was their culture to perform last rituals of their dead but in Africa there were even other group of people who used to bury and other group of people who used to cremate so the term Nekro is not applicable for all. But some of these white had generalized the term Negro for all non whites. If they can use the term Nekro(Negro) as a common terminology for depicting blacks even though it is a term used to depict cannibalism then why can’t we use the term Albino as a common terminology for depicting all whites even though it is a term used to depict a disease.
http://www.answers.com/topic/necrophagy-1
http://www.answers.com/topic/cannibalism
(Note: -Though there might be genuine reasoning for such practices of cannibalism but such practices should not be continued because there can be psychos in the society who can misuse this practice by killing innocent children. Due to this reason such practices were abandon. )
But as some practices were abandon so even the discrimination should also be abandon people should not recognize each other by their race rather they should recognize people on the bases of their skills. But if there are some racists who still discriminate people then even they should be answered back in the same manner by keeping names to them as Albinos.
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 14:57 |
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lilthuggy wrote: Are you suprised?
This is nothing new.
The new thing is; it is up to US to change things.
Good luck with that, they only way that can change is to create a whole new system of education available to everyone for free.
You see a good educational system should have three purposes:
1) It should provide all who want to learn with access to available resources at any time in their lives.
2) Empower all who want to share what they know to find those who want to learn it from them.
3) And to furnish all who want to present an issue to the public with the opportunity to make their challenge known.
Such a system would require the application of constitutional guarantees to education. Learners should not be forced to submit to an obligatory curriculum, or to discrimination based on whether they possess a certificate or a diploma.
Nor should the public be forced to support, through a regressive taxation, a huge professional apparatus of educators and buildings which in fact restricts the public's chances for learning to the services the profession is willing to put on the market.
It should use modern technology to make free speech, free assembly, and a free press truly universal and, therefore, fully educational.
Currently schools are designed on the assumption that there is a secret to everything in life; that the quality of life depends on knowing that secret; that secrets can be known only in orderly successions; and that only teachers can properly reveal these secrets. An individual with a schooled mind conceives of the world as a pyramid of classified packages accessible only to those who carry the proper tags. New educational institutions would break apart this pyramid. Their purpose must be to facilitate access for the learner: to allow him to look into the windows of the control room or the parliament, if he cannot get in by the door. Moreover, such new institutions should be channels to which the learner would have access without credentials or pedigree — public spaces in which peers and elders outside his immediate horizon would become available.
Ivan Illich.
Question is should people be wanting to continue with an educational system, which not only is corrupt as it's sole purpose is to make children ready for the world's wage related labour market, which eventually polarises society, and alienates people, since the current system is a system of discrimination at it's core. You need this to do that, and that to do this, etc, etc.
The amount of money wasted on the education system is laughable also, since it has achieved nothing. The poor aren't getting smarter, nor are they getting employed more readily. The teachers aren't getting better either. However being taught doesn't always equate to learning something regardless of who does the teaching..
I hear alot about kids being discriminated in schools, but not actually much about the schooling system itself which is terrible as far as I'm concerned, it breeds elitism and creates and helps perpetuate an already fragmented society. What's being suggested not only helps children but the adults as well.
However it is the people who must desire a change first.
Last edited on Wednesday March 14th, 2007 15:00 by Peacemaker
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Posted: Wednesday March 14th, 2007 21:31 |
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Peacemaker wrote:
You see a good educational system should have three purposes:
1) It should provide all who want to learn with access to available resources at any time in their lives.
2) Empower all who want to share what they know to find those who want to learn it from them.
3) And to furnish all who want to present an issue to the public with the opportunity to make their challenge known.
Such a system would require the application of constitutional guarantees to education. Learners should not be forced to submit to an obligatory curriculum, or to discrimination based on whether they possess a certificate or a diploma.
Nor should the public be forced to support, through a regressive taxation, a huge professional apparatus of educators and buildings which in fact restricts the public's chances for learning to the services the profession is willing to put on the market.
It should use modern technology to make free speech, free assembly, and a free press truly universal and, therefore, fully educational.
Currently schools are designed on the assumption that there is a secret to everything in life; that the quality of life depends on knowing that secret; that secrets can be known only in orderly successions; and that only teachers can properly reveal these secrets. An individual with a schooled mind conceives of the world as a pyramid of classified packages accessible only to those who carry the proper tags. New educational institutions would break apart this pyramid. Their purpose must be to facilitate access for the learner: to allow him to look into the windows of the control room or the parliament, if he cannot get in by the door. Moreover, such new institutions should be channels to which the learner would have access without credentials or pedigree — public spaces in which peers and elders outside his immediate horizon would become available.
Ivan Illich.
Question is should people be wanting to continue with an educational system, which not only is corrupt as it's sole purpose is to make children ready for the world's wage related labour market, which eventually polarises society, and alienates people, since the current system is a system of discrimination at it's core. You need this to do that, and that to do this, etc, etc.
The amount of money wasted on the education system is laughable also, since it has achieved nothing. The poor aren't getting smarter, nor are they getting employed more readily. THAT'S THEIR MISSION ACCOMPLISHEDThe teachers aren't getting better either. However being taught doesn't always equate to learning something regardless of who does the teaching..
I hear alot about kids being discriminated in schools, but not actually much about the schooling system itself which is terrible as far as I'm concerned, it breeds elitism and creates and helps perpetuate an already fragmented society. What's being suggested not only helps children but the adults as well.
However it is the people who must desire a change first.
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Posted: Friday March 16th, 2007 08:42 |
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Peacemaker wrote: .
Good luck with that, they only way that can change is to create a whole new system of education available to everyone for free.
You see a good educational system should have three purposes:
1) It should provide all who want to learn with access to available resources at any time in their lives.
2) Empower all who want to share what they know to find those who want to learn it from them.
3) And to furnish all who want to present an issue to the public with the opportunity to make their challenge known.
Such a system would require the application of constitutional guarantees to education. Learners should not be forced to submit to an obligatory curriculum, or to discrimination based on whether they possess a certificate or a diploma.
Nor should the public be forced to support, through a regressive taxation, a huge professional apparatus of educators and buildings which in fact restricts the public's chances for learning to the services the profession is willing to put on the market.
It should use modern technology to make free speech, free assembly, and a free press truly universal and, therefore, fully educational.
Currently schools are designed on the assumption that there is a secret to everything in life; that the quality of life depends on knowing that secret; that secrets can be known only in orderly successions; and that only teachers can properly reveal these secrets. An individual with a schooled mind conceives of the world as a pyramid of classified packages accessible only to those who carry the proper tags. New educational institutions would break apart this pyramid. Their purpose must be to facilitate access for the learner: to allow him to look into the windows of the control room or the parliament, if he cannot get in by the door. Moreover, such new institutions should be channels to which the learner would have access without credentials or pedigree — public spaces in which peers and elders outside his immediate horizon would become available.
Ivan Illich.
Question is should people be wanting to continue with an educational system, which not only is corrupt as it's sole purpose is to make children ready for the world's wage related labour market, which eventually polarises society, and alienates people, since the current system is a system of discrimination at it's core. You need this to do that, and that to do this, etc, etc.
The amount of money wasted on the education system is laughable also, since it has achieved nothing. The poor aren't getting smarter, nor are they getting employed more readily. The teachers aren't getting better either. However being taught doesn't always equate to learning something regardless of who does the teaching..
I hear alot about kids being discriminated in schools, but not actually much about the schooling system itself which is terrible as far as I'm concerned, it breeds elitism and creates and helps perpetuate an already fragmented society. What's being suggested not only helps children but the adults as well.
However it is the people who must desire a change first.
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I absolutely co-sign with the above. What I meant by my comment was to educate our own. We cannot rely on others who have their 'own agenda' to teach our kids right from wrong. It is up to us to instill self-belief and self-esteem into our kids.
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