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Posted: Saturday July 1st, 2006 21:56 |
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I'm asking your opinions:
I'm still unsure about where I want to transfer to, whether it be a predominately white university or a Historically Black College/University. I've heard pros and cons about both, but I wanted to hear other people's opinions about their experiences at a majority white university and/or at a HBCU.
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Posted: Sunday July 2nd, 2006 02:03 |
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BBC,
When I was was younger, I had the desire to attend an HBCU because 1) My grandfather was an HBCU from Clark Atlanta University 2) out of Jealousy( My brother was going to Morehouse 3) I just wanted to feel the so-called " Black experience"( I was always raised in White to mixed environments 4) I shouldn't have thought this way at the time, but I thought that Morehouse and Clark Atlanta had it going on with the guys back then. Boy was I quite boy crazy at the time! Anyways, I got my chance to attend Spelman college. I thought that it was a great liberal arts school and that it would teach me a lot about who I was.I only went there for a semester, but primarily because of financial costs. Even if I would have been able to better afford it, I did n't think I would have liked it for long--at least some of those snotty girls that went there! It was such attitude like some of those girls that turned me even more off from the school. I eventually transferred toa majority White college. Although I was missing out on a culturla education about myself, I did like that university a whole lot better---and it was far cheaper!
While I'm mentioning my past experience being at an HBCU and graduating from a White University, I certainly don't want to imply that all HBCU's are bad and Vice versa. As a matter of fact, my late grandfather WARNED me about Spelman and Morehouse and was dead set against me going there because of some fo the attitudes there. If anything , he wanted me and my siblings to attend an HBCU like Howard University or his Alma matter of Clark Atlanta-University( with him it was Clark College). I wished that I would have taken his advice. Howard, to me , is pretty impressive.
There is also another important reason that I attended a White university, unfortunately, because of the ignorant job market. If there is anything I've learned from a friend of mine depending on what HBCU you attend, you may increase/decrease you chances of you degree being recognized by a future employer. I've notice that with some White employers of you go to a HBCU like Morehouse, Spelman or Howard University, they are more quick to recognze those schools because they are more famous and unfortunately, more companies and stars ,whether Black or White, as donated money to them, but if you go to a lesser known HBCU, you are just stuck! I think about one event that took place with my brother and my cousins good friends , who are White. The people who know my cousin was just meetning and greeting my him( My brother) and was talking about himself. For some odd reason when my brother mentioned Morehouse college, they were about to fall out of their chairs. They were like " Oh my god, You attended more house college?" They weren't reacting that way out of suprise that he was just going,they knew that he was a college student. The White couple was impressed that he went to Morehouse. To my cousin's friend, Morehouse was it! on top of that they ( the husband) knows one of the people on the college's board of trustees( or something like that) Her husband also donated money to them.
For me, my experince at Spelman was more frustrating than it was at the White University I attended, but deep in my heart, I felt that my " Black experience" would have been better at Howard. Yours could differ. If you're going to attend a White University and/or HBCU your should:1) find a school that fit's in your budget 2) Find one that fit's you personality 3) If you're going to an HBCU make sure your just don't go there only for the " Black experience". As I discovered, the experience was far from positive--at least at Spelman.4) Also make sure you go to a college that employers recognize.( Unfortunately, there are some really ignorant employers out there) 5) Go for the right reasons, not for the women(in your case), the parties and so on( if you're the type of man who like to)
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Posted: Sunday July 2nd, 2006 02:35 |
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CeeCee wrote: BBC,
When I was was younger, I had the desire to attend an HBCU because 1) My grandfather was an HBCU from Clark Atlanta University 2) out of Jealousy( My brother was going to Morehouse 3) I just wanted to feel the so-called " Black experience"( I was always raised in White to mixed environments 4) I shouldn't have thought this way at the time, but I thought that Morehouse and Clark Atlanta had it going on with the guys back then. Boy was I quite boy crazy at the time! Anyways, I got my chance to attend Spelman college. I thought that it was a great liberal arts school and that it would teach me a lot about who I was.I only went there for a semester, but primarily because of financial costs. Even if I would have been able to better afford it, I did n't think I would have liked it for long--at least some of those snotty girls that went there! It was such attitude like some of those girls that turned me even more off from the school. I eventually transferred toa majority White college. Although I was missing out on a culturla education about myself, I did like that university a whole lot better---and it was far cheaper!
While I'm mentioning my past experience being at an HBCU and graduating from a White University, I certainly don't want to imply that all HBCU's are bad and Vice versa. As a matter of fact, my late grandfather WARNED me about Spelman and Morehouse and was dead set against me going there because of some fo the attitudes there. If anything , he wanted me and my siblings to attend an HBCU like Howard University or his Alma matter of Clark Atlanta-University( with him it was Clark College). I wished that I would have taken his advice. Howard, to me , is pretty impressive.
There is also another important reason that I attended a White university, unfortunately, because of the ignorant job market. If there is anything I've learned from a friend of mine depending on what HBCU you attend, you may increase/decrease you chances of you degree being recognized by a future employer. I've notice that with some White employers of you go to a HBCU like Morehouse, Spelman or Howard University, they are more quick to recognze those schools because they are more famous and unfortunately, more companies and stars ,whether Black or White, as donated money to them, but if you go to a lesser known HBCU, you are just stuck! I think about one event that took place with my brother and my cousins good friends , who are White. The people who know my cousin was just meetning and greeting my him( My brother) and was talking about himself. For some odd reason when my brother mentioned Morehouse college, they were about to fall out of their chairs. They were like " Oh my god, You attended more house college?" They weren't reacting that way out of suprise that he was just going,they knew that he was a college student. The White couple was impressed that he went to Morehouse. To my cousin's friend, Morehouse was it! on top of that they ( the husband) knows one of the people on the college's board of trustees( or something like that) Her husband also donated money to them.
For me, my experince at Spelman was more frustrating than it was at the White University I attended, but deep in my heart, I felt that my " Black experience" would have been better at Howard. Yours could differ. If you're going to attend a White University and/or HBCU your should:1) find a school that fit's in your budget 2) Find one that fit's you personality 3) If you're going to an HBCU make sure your just don't go there only for the " Black experience". As I discovered, the experience was far from positive--at least at Spelman.4) Also make sure you go to a college that employers recognize.( Unfortunately, there are some really ignorant employers out there) 5) Go for the right reasons, not for the women(in your case), the parties and so on( if you're the type of man who like to)
Wow thank you. You gave me a lot to think about. I was thinking about going to UNC-Chapel Hill or UGA, what university did you graduate from?
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Posted: Monday July 3rd, 2006 17:28 |
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BBC,
Me,I graduated from Georgia State University. I liked it pretty much. The only thing that I disliked about it was that it remeinded me of down ATL,( or what's left of it) It's too crowded! It's strange! People don't understand why I hate it! ( far as the downtown district, though I was born and raised in the outskirts of it. I just like the idea of living in smaller districts and going to smaller places. Besides the other reasons that I listed of going to Spelman, I also went to Spelman because of that reason. It's a little more smaller and I like the West End( where it's located). I also thought about UGA , At one point I thought about going to that school, but it suprised me: I thought that the school would be cheaper, but it isn't! my god! it's pretty expensive. Some people refer to that school as a " Party school" because of it's reputation for them having all of those parties there, but it's a great school. A lot of kids want to go to that university. If you pick UGA, you or either the UNiversity of Chapel Hill, you're in business, both of them are academically competitve universities.
If you want to check out more info about the University of Georgia, or my alma matter http://www.gsu.edu here is their web address http://www.uga.edu
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Posted: Monday July 3rd, 2006 17:33 |
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CeeCee wrote: BBC,
Me,I graduated from Georgia State University. I liked it pretty much. The only thing that I disliked about it was that it remeinded me of down ATL,( or what's left of it) It's too crowded! It's strange! People don't understand why I hate it! ( far as the downtown district, though I was born and raised in the outskirts of it. I just like the idea of living in smaller districts and going to smaller places. Besides the other reasons that I listed of going to Spelman, I also went to Spelman because of that reason. It's a little more smaller and I like the West End( where it's located). I also thought about UGA , At one point I thought about going to that school, but it suprised me: I thought that the school would be cheaper, but it isn't! my god! it's pretty expensive. Some people refer to that school as a " Party school" because of it's reputation for them having all of those parties there, but it's a great school. A lot of kids want to go to that university. If you pick UGA, you or either the UNiversity of Chapel Hill, you're in business, both of them are academically competitve universities.
If you want to check out more info about the University of Georgia, or my alma matter http://www.gsu.edu here is their web address http://www.uga.edu
Oh yeah I know about GSU, I wanted to go there, but I decided no. Yeah I wanted to go to UGA, but I'm not sure, but it's still one of my options of transferring there. Those two schools sure are academically hard to get into because you have to have a high SAT and GPA, but since I'm going to be a transfer student I have to worry my GPA and hours. If I switch from Biology to being a International Business major then UGA would be perfect because they are one of the few universities that offer that major.
Is it true that white college academic school work is harder and usually the professors don't help much?
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Posted: Monday July 3rd, 2006 18:16 |
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| BBC I actually attend Howard University right now as a Physics and Math double major, and as much as I hate on the school of business, if you really want to transfer anywhere for Business, Howard would be your best choice because EVERYONE AND THEIR GRANDMA recruits from there. As for the HBCU experience it takes a special person to get it and enjoy it. I will tell you this, if you want to apply to Howard, do it early because they have a really hard time handling paperwork, and also, the actual Howard does not compare to people's perceptions of it, it has excellent academics I work under two professors who got their grad degrees from MIT and Stanford, but everything else is lackluster. O and the women there are incredible. And to answer your question, teachers at least at Howard are just as bad in terms of failing students as anywhere else. Last edited on Monday July 3rd, 2006 18:18 by NomadaNare
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Posted: Monday July 3rd, 2006 18:19 |
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NomadaNare wrote: BBC I actually attend Howard University right now as a Physics and Math double major, and as much as I hate on the school of business, if you really want to transfer anywhere for Business, Howard would be your best choice because EVERYONE AND THEIR GRANDMA recruits from there. As for the HBCU experience it takes a special person to get it and enjoy it. I will tell you this, if you want to apply to Howard, do it early because they have a really hard time handling paperwork, and also, the actual Howard does not compare to people's perceptions of it, it has excellent academics I work under two professors who got their grad degrees from MIT and Stanford, but everything else is lackluster. O and the women there are incredible. And to answer your question, teachers at least at Howard are just as bad in terms of failing students as anywhere else.
Yeah I know a lot about Howard University because my cousin goes there and he tells me if I'm thinking about going to a HBCU then Howard would be great for me. It's a very respectable school. I have to say that Howard is one of the top black schools I wouldn't mind going to.
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Posted: Thursday July 6th, 2006 00:59 |
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BBC,
In my experience with all races of teachers( The professors I had were African-American/African, White, South Asianand Latino). Truthfully I haven't seen one teacher being much harder/easier than the next. I have had some professors who were pretty easy going , while others I just wanted to disown. I guess that I was fortunate to have some of the professor being that way( I prayed on it), because in general a lot of college professors can be the " James earl Jones " type--pretty hard.
In the time that I spent on the White University,I've learned something about White colleges. It's not so much that it's much harder. What make it seem that way is our lack of exposure to it. Many of the Black schools that we know of are not considered to be academically competitive like the White ones. They have books coming from from the dark ages and we only teaches material that we're only familar with(, just like many of the White schools) and that some teachers water down our education just for students to do well. I often say that Black schools can be as academically competitive( if not more so) as many White schools, if they are willing to realize that problem and to take steps in improving the system. I noticed the Black people who have graduated from majority White schools, seem to have an easier time with their academics then the Black ones who have been to the majority Black ones, moreso, the Black ones that are considered to be underachieving schools.
If you were to go to an HBCU, don't be fooled by the Black man being easier concept. There are a lot of Black professors on that campus who can be just as hard as some of their White counterparts. Going to Spelman, I've heard of girls who thought they had what it took to be good college student only to discover that they couldn't handle the teaching styles of their Black professors and ----and another thing some of those White hard professors also teaches there. I remembered having a Black man as my college algebra, who was from Durban, South Africa. Jesus Christ! that man was so hard, that I wanted to cry, but I wanted to defy the devil( Not him presonally, his teaching style) and I did --with a B. I also respected him because of how he was taught( though I don't know if I would like being whacked like that). I don't know how true it is, but I've heard and was told that in some African countries and other countries( Like India, I had a "hard"Indian history professor) that they don't tolerate lackluster academics .Multiple choice questions are off limits! My boyfriend claimed that a teacher in his native land( Mali) got his case( whacked on his hand. I'm not sure if it's was the teachers idea or a general rule of his country) for not having the write answer to an literature question.
My advice to you would be not to expect for everything to be easy( professors no matter what race) to study ,hard take notes. Be prepared to do a lot of hard work.That is what college is all about. With some Black students that I knew, they wanted the easy way out and they didn't succeed because of it.If I know that a high school drop-out can graduate twho may lack certain subjects can graduate from college, certainly many Black students can. It's just a matter of applying yourself in doing it.
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Posted: Thursday July 6th, 2006 02:52 |
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CeeCee wrote: BBC,
In my experience with all races of teachers( The professors I had were African-American/African, White, South Asianand Latino). Truthfully I haven't seen one teacher being much harder/easier than the next. I have had some professors who were pretty easy going , while others I just wanted to disown. I guess that I was fortunate to have some of the professor being that way( I prayed on it), because in general a lot of college professors can be the " James earl Jones " type--pretty hard.
In the time that I spent on the White University,I've learned something about White colleges. It's not so much that it's much harder. What make it seem that way is our lack of exposure to it. Many of the Black schools that we know of are not considered to be academically competitive like the White ones. They have books coming from from the dark ages and we only teaches material that we're only familar with(, just like many of the White schools) and that some teachers water down our education just for students to do well. I often say that Black schools can be as academically competitive( if not more so) as many White schools, if they are willing to realize that problem and to take steps in improving the system. I noticed the Black people who have graduated from majority White schools, seem to have an easier time with their academics then the Black ones who have been to the majority Black ones, moreso, the Black ones that are considered to be underachieving schools.
If you were to go to an HBCU, don't be fooled by the Black man being easier concept. There are a lot of Black professors on that campus who can be just as hard as some of their White counterparts. Going to Spelman, I've heard of girls who thought they had what it took to be good college student only to discover that they couldn't handle the teaching styles of their Black professors and ----and another thing some of those White hard professors also teaches there. I remembered having a Black man as my college algebra, who was from Durban, South Africa. Jesus Christ! that man was so hard, that I wanted to cry, but I wanted to defy the devil( Not him presonally, his teaching style) and I did --with a B. I also respected him because of how he was taught( though I don't know if I would like being whacked like that). I don't know how true it is, but I've heard and was told that in some African countries and other countries( Like India, I had a "hard"Indian history professor) that they don't tolerate lackluster academics .Multiple choice questions are off limits! My boyfriend claimed that a teacher in his native land( Mali) got his case( whacked on his hand. I'm not sure if it's was the teachers idea or a general rule of his country) for not having the write answer to an literature question.
My advice to you would be not to expect for everything to be easy( professors no matter what race) to study ,hard take notes. Be prepared to do a lot of hard work.That is what college is all about. With some Black students that I knew, they wanted the easy way out and they didn't succeed because of it.If I know that a high school drop-out can graduate twho may lack certain subjects can graduate from college, certainly many Black students can. It's just a matter of applying yourself in doing it.
Oh ok, thank you for given me all this info, I sure need it . I know about hard teachers lol. I always got stuck with the hard teachers for some reason in high school, so I guess you can say I'm prepared for the most diffcult professors because I had a Chemistry teacher in high school who was a straight up A-Hole about doing everything on our own, he basically didn't teach our class because he made us figure out everything for ourselves. My cousin said that black professors can be as hard as the white ones in college.
I think American schools need to be more like some of these foreign schools that you're talking about because America has the dumbest students in the world(no lie, it's the truth). It's a shame that 2 foreign kids in my U.S. History class was doing better than all the American kids. *smh* lol
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Posted: Thursday July 6th, 2006 13:33 |
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I graduated from Howard and can say without boosting that its the best HBCU in America bar none.Its the only Tier 1 research university that's an HBCU.That being siad it may not be best for you.
What are you looking for? An urban,suburban or rural setting? Howard is private and can be costly.But its in DC , so summer intern opportunities are excellent.
Hampton,North Carolina A&T,FAMU, are all very good also.But what enviroment are you comfortable in?
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Posted: Thursday July 6th, 2006 17:24 |
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All I can say is do not look at TSU (Tennessee State) most of their grads always go back home and I really do not know many people that actually graduated from the school. I know many people that have attended it though..........
If you were looking smaller at Lemoyne-Owen, they are in serious financial trouble and they are too expensive to consider when compared to other HBCUs and Predominantly white colleges as well.........
If I had it all to do over again I would have chosen Howard based on the people that I have met that graduated from it.......
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Posted: Thursday July 6th, 2006 23:02 |
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| Well, I'm looking for a school where it's fairly mixed(as in race), it doesn't matter to me where it is, as long as I'm not right in the ghetto or out of nowhere in the country or far from big cities. I'm thinking about changing my major to business and minoring in marketing, just to let anybody know.
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| Oh yeah I was thinking about transfer to somewhere that was medium to a large size school.
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Posted: Friday July 7th, 2006 17:58 |
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BlackBrainChild wrote: I'm asking your opinions:
I'm still unsure about where I want to transfer to, whether it be a predominately white university or a Historically Black College/University. I've heard pros and cons about both, but I wanted to hear other people's opinions about their experiences at a majority white university and/or at a HBCU.
The most important thing to consider is your major or field of study? I hate to say this, but most HBCUs are not even respected in industry when it comes to technical, science, and engineering degrees. I would simply focus on the best school, whether White or HB, that would best accentuate your CV/resume while leveraging whatever your social needs may be. If you go for a graduate degree, the social needs are not as important anymore. My degrees are both in engineering, but if I happen to do a Ph.D. in an element of Africana Studies, then an HBCU would be one of my first choices.
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Posted: Friday July 7th, 2006 18:01 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: BlackBrainChild wrote: I'm asking your opinions:
I'm still unsure about where I want to transfer to, whether it be a predominately white university or a Historically Black College/University. I've heard pros and cons about both, but I wanted to hear other people's opinions about their experiences at a majority white university and/or at a HBCU.
The most important thing to consider is your major or field of study? I hate to say this, but most HBCUs are not even respected in industry when it comes to technical, science, and engineering degrees. I would simply focus on the best school, whether White or HB, that would best accentuate your CV/resume while leveraging whatever your social needs may be. If you go for a graduate degree, the social needs are not as important anymore. My degrees are both in engineering, but if I happen to do a Ph.D. in an element of Africana Studies, then an HBCU would be one of my first choices.
Yeah that's the sad thing about going to a HBCU, if it isn't Howard University or Morehouse College or maybe Florida A&M University, then you can almost forget about getting a job.
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Posted: Friday July 7th, 2006 20:27 |
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BlackBrainChild wrote: Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: BlackBrainChild wrote: I'm asking your opinions:
I'm still unsure about where I want to transfer to, whether it be a predominately white university or a Historically Black College/University. I've heard pros and cons about both, but I wanted to hear other people's opinions about their experiences at a majority white university and/or at a HBCU.
The most important thing to consider is your major or field of study? I hate to say this, but most HBCUs are not even respected in industry when it comes to technical, science, and engineering degrees. I would simply focus on the best school, whether White or HB, that would best accentuate your CV/resume while leveraging whatever your social needs may be. If you go for a graduate degree, the social needs are not as important anymore. My degrees are both in engineering, but if I happen to do a Ph.D. in an element of Africana Studies, then an HBCU would be one of my first choices.
Yeah that's the sad thing about going to a HBCU, if it isn't Howard University or Morehouse College or maybe Florida A&M University, then you can almost forget about getting a job.
A great school in the sciences in my opinion outside of Howard is North Carolina A&T
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Is there a black MIT?
Damnit there needs to be!
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Posted: Friday July 7th, 2006 21:01 |
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Is there a black MIT?
Damnit there needs to be!
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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 01:44 |
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Burning Spear wrote: A great school in the sciences in my opinion outside of Howard is North Carolina A&T
You are right...NC A&T is a great school for sciences and even for some of their engineering programs. However, I remember when I was working on my bachelors (computer engineering), there was this one sister who transferred from there and my school wouldn't even recognize most of her technical credits. She ended up spending an extra year to graduate. The girl also had like a 3.6 QPA (out of 4.0), so she wasn't dumb. My school wouldn't even offer her a scholarship of any sorts given where she came from.
Then quite coincidentally, I do some of the interviewing where I am at and my boss told me not to even consider the 2 resumes from NC A&T and another Black college, although I could consider a couple others.
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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 04:58 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Burning Spear wrote: A great school in the sciences in my opinion outside of Howard is North Carolina A&T
You are right...NC A&T is a great school for sciences and even for some of their engineering programs. However, I remember when I was working on my bachelors (computer engineering), there was this one sister who transferred from there and my school wouldn't even recognize most of her technical credits. She ended up spending an extra year to graduate. The girl also had like a 3.6 QPA (out of 4.0), so she wasn't dumb. My school wouldn't even offer her a scholarship of any sorts given where she came from.
Then quite coincidentally, I do some of the interviewing where I am at and my boss told me not to even consider the 2 resumes from NC A&T and another Black college, although I could consider a couple others.
See that's why I'm glad I'm not going to a historically black school at the moment because most of the time I've heard that jobs won't hardly look at your resume or look over you if you been to a historical black school and since I'm considering transferring to a bigger university, it's not really a good idea to be at a black college.
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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 11:54 |
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BlackBrainChild wrote: See that's why I'm glad I'm not going to a historically black school at the moment because most of the time I've heard that jobs won't hardly look at your resume or look over you if you been to a historical black school and since I'm considering transferring to a bigger university, it's not really a good idea to be at a black college.
I don't mean to talk down on our schools, but I am just saying be realistic in your career goals. Go to the school that is best for your field of study, not necessarily whether it is predominantly Black or White. My knowledge is almost entirely from a technical/engineering perspective. If that isn't your background, then you should realize that some HBCUs have other reputable programs. Anyhow, hope that helps...
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