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Do you have to be mad, to accept racism?

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Posted: Monday May 23rd, 2005 16:08

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insanity: Such a mental condition, as, either from the existence of delusions, or from incapacity to distinguish between right and wrong, with regard to any matter under action, does away with individual responsibility.

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/insanity

if someone told you that they were been held back, physically

by forces they could not see or articulate

and that these forces made them unable to live a normal (by their own standards) life

they said they were denied rights to things which they believe enhance the quality of their lives and that of their offspring

they could feel the oppression

for them it was real

yet they treated their condition by ignoring it

how would you judge that persons mental state?

how do africans deal with the reality of racism?

do they confront it and bring in measures to eliminate the condition?

or do many just ignore it, leaving it to the political conscious militants

to implement cures on their "blacker than thou" chip shouldered selves?

for we, the masses have no sickness

everything is as it should be

saying to themselves "everyone has their own poltergeists

dont they?"

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 07:38

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the crazy man, talks to himself

he is used to been ignored

for he is dis-enfranchised

he did not oppose the poltergeists

now they are his best and only friends

for are we not creatures of habit?

some call it the result of self hate

others, he smoked too much gunja

"his family breakdown was the trigger, that brought on the condition " dr brown stated

breadfruit wonders to himself...........

wasn't that the man who excused:

slavery

colonialism

the organised rape of his peoples resources -
everywhere on the planet

wasn't he the mad rass who spent his mental energies

building

believing

for and in those who undermined his humanity?

"the man mad from long time" i exclaim

or is such behavior

normal?

Last edited on Wednesday May 25th, 2005 14:19 by Breadfruit

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 10:26

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Deep and interesting contributions breadfruit.

Last edited on Wednesday May 25th, 2005 10:27 by calisto

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 18:20

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thank you african

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 18:31

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 18:39

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so now my insanity has peaked

locked away from the world i meditate

my locks link me back to kemet

but the ancestors are dead

they stimulate me not

for i have become invisible

they can no longer see me

the drugs keep me high

but i'm higher than the chemicals rushing through my body

so high i feel nothing

is this life?

i dont have answers

they tell me to rationalise

irrational conditions

using rationale

created by irrational men

my daily ration

has no nourishment

it only sustains

they say i'm getting better

i guess their right

trillion dollar economies

cant be wrong

this Straitjacket hurts like hell

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Posted: Wednesday May 25th, 2005 19:21

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mmmmmmmmmmm. That's good... What do you do for a living? Is it sth artistic or is this just a hobby?

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Posted: Thursday May 26th, 2005 01:02

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a life long pan africanist

just trying to be creative

part of my skill set is in the commercial implementation of binary bits

peace

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Posted: Friday May 27th, 2005 03:28

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I don't see it as a mental condition because in United States Society Blacks found a way to measure it, the Whites in power acknowledge it and United States Exucutive order 11246 (Affirmative action), a law states that it is factual. By far it is no mental condition. I can fathom how peoples in certan African and Caribbean countries can say the notion seems absurd but in non black majority nations there is white skinned privilege, Overt racism and outright racial disrespect in media, text and more. In the Black majority Countries it is Black folks Blocking your progress.

A mental condition is different, far different but one legacy aspect of Racism/oppression is the notion that people who are often sheltered from it will come to expect those acts to take place and as a result resort to self handicapping, it becomes part of the socialization process for both the White power structure and the Black oppressed. People will complain and give up without trying and more. I see it on this site with people saying Blacks should avoid college, they dismiss the positives of many Public school systems and usually suggest this without a viable alternative. We live in a Capitalist world where if we are not competing then we simply become the welfare class or perish. We can't give up, many people are doing this, I think Cornel West called it Nhilism. I'm for a fight, I'm for going into the classrooms and changing these practices, I'm for withhold Black dollars from the corporations that discriminate and I'm for voting these people wh are for the Status quo out of office or outright physically hurting them to get parity.

There is a difference

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Posted: Friday May 27th, 2005 07:29

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Great summary brutha Baron. I think that in the West it would be a 'mental death' or just simply sad for any brutha or sista to take a nihilistic or teleological approach. I couldn't imagine doing that. Especially as I know many black parents tell their children to trust in God and grow up with 'God' in their house. You know what they say, you have to consider where these concepts come from, not everyone can apply them to their lives. They say anything that is not from God is from the Devil....these things like ouiji boards, seances, black magic... they are avoided and not acknowledged by many because they have too much respect for their relationship with God. I feel anyone not taking this nihilistic appproach would be doing exactly the same thing. ..... ....... . ......... ....... ..... ....... ..... ....... ....... ..... ...... ..... ....... ....... ...... ...... ........... ........ ....... .......... ..... ....... .Because nihilism is just like all these others things , IMO, to confuse you, and an approach, but not necessarily the truth. When I was a teenager, I used to buy all those girly magazines and Sistas style. Come haloween threre would be 'free ouiji boards/rune stones/horoscope books' and seance stories 'with every issue'... at first I read about it... but had too much religion instilled in me to believe it... it was too creepy, especially when the only thing you are familiar with of this kind is prayer. I read about it... I was curious...but then I thought "Calisto, you know this is rubbish... why waste you time...you have a religion. This is not good". There are many things in the West which are no good and bad influences, and fill your mind with rubbish. I think for any black to adopt nihilism, it's bad... and they should be careful of what they adopt or what is fed into their heads. Just because little 'Patrick or Jaimie' adopts it doesn't mean we should... blacks have too mant things to put in perspective to 'follow' nonsense and have defeatist attitudes. I'll never give up, what's the point..."The only way from here is down..." (if you get what I am saying).

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Posted: Friday May 27th, 2005 11:12

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Baron_Samedi wrote:
I don't see it as a mental condition because in United States Society Blacks found a way to measure it................

@baron

just some clarification

what is it that you do not see as a mental condition?

as my posts above were simple artistic observations and not statements on what is or is not reality,

within a poetry forum

i'm not getting your post

we may need to create a new thread in another forum

then again

art does provoke thought

peace

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Posted: Friday May 27th, 2005 21:45

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Dont know if Im grabbing the wrong end of the stick here.

But our problem is definatley a problem of the mind. For me once the spirit has been defeated then you will accept any condition imposed on you. Defeated people have no solutions. And no vision or base for ingenuity which is surely needed in this post colonial/ slavery period and "great white way" which bombards us from cradle to grave.

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Posted: Friday May 27th, 2005 22:11

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Posted: Saturday May 28th, 2005 08:37

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the above spoken words were the result of ideas around definition

and the power of metaphor

words like thoughts have energy

so when, like i, you see africans descend into a mental abyss

within systems built on their suffering

gifted people, with so much to offer humanity

wondering about the idealogies employed by the "mad"

are of interest

@mansa

total agreement warrior

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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 19:30

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the above successful african role model

has graciously offered to mentor me

i have been told by the authorities that this will definitely aid my rehabilitation and release from this secure unit

back to the world of the sane

rational thinking black mass

ainsley, they reassure me, only differs by a small degree

in the way his mental enegies are focused

and that of the mindset of the majority of africans in this country

material wealth and security before everything else they said

hes teaching me how to dance like an idiot tonight

i can't wait

i'm a lucky african

a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

i'm so glad i'm getting mine back

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Posted: Monday August 15th, 2005 09:10

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i have just spent 4 weeks with my latest mentor

a wonderful man with probably, one of the greatest intellects on the planet

through listening to him

i now know our problems have their roots in the racism of black people on their own

there is something inherent in us

that makes us inferior

i dont believe there is any solution or set of solutions to our developmental problems

we need to surrender and accept our place in the world

i feel so much better now

my mind is at peace

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Posted: Monday August 15th, 2005 10:52

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Breadfruit wrote:

Breadfruit, are those pictures for real?? Whats the story behind them?...

ps: Nice poems bro..... clp)

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Posted: Monday August 15th, 2005 13:27

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@mezemer

greetings sister

apparently this guy is for real

check out the madness below

peace african

http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum9/15567.html

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Posted: Saturday August 20th, 2005 15:21

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UK life blamed for ethnic schizophrenia

Many black patients have no biological reason for mental illness

African-Caribbean people are six times more likely than whites to be diagnosed as schizophrenic, but research shows this is nothing to do with biology.

A study by the Institute of Psychiatry has found that poor social conditions are causing black people to develop the symptoms of mental illness.

The experience of black people in the UK almost drives them mad
Professor Robin Murray

The high rates of black people inside Britain's psychiatric system has concerned both the medical profession, and the black community for many years.

And the government's mental health czar admitted the mental health system is institutionally racist.

Questioned on BBC Two's Newsnight, National Director of Mental Health, Professor Louis Appleby, said: "If by that you mean that the system operates to the disadvantage of some racial groups, I have no doubt about that.

"But that is not to say that individuals working in the system are deliberately racist because there's quite a lot of concern - there's no complacency in the mental health service about this.

"People are very concerned and very aware that we do not provide a satisfactory service for ethnic minorities," he added.

Professor Robin Murray says genetic differences offer no explanation
There is a hugely disproportionate number of black men inside the hostels, hospitals and secure units of Britain's mental health care system.

Many have the symptoms of schizophrenia, which can include erratic behaviour and feelings of paranoia.
Researchers from the Institute of Psychiatry investigated whether black people were somehow genetically more prone to schizophrenia.

The answer was no - they found rates among black people in the Caribbean were identical to the white population to the UK.
Biological reason

They also searched for some other biological reason, such as brain damage at birth, head injury or drug abuse.
But when they compared the backgrounds of black patients they were actually less likely to have suffered this kind of injury than white patients and were no more likely to be drug users.

In fact, although 75% of white patients with schizophrenia had some biological reason for their illness, in black patients it was only 25%.

Nobody has ever bothered to find out whether the diagnosis of schizophrenia is as valid in the African-Caribbean community as it is in the white community
Dr Kwame Mackenzie
Brain scans revealed that white patients were three times more likely to have something obviously wrong with their brain than black patients.

The researchers came to the conclusion that it was possible that the psychiatric profession may sometimes be misinterpreting the behaviour of black patients who are not mentally ill, but struggling to cope with social adversity.

Professor Robin Murray, from the Institute of Psychiatry, said: "It seems to be something in the social environment, something about being black in Britain.

"The experience of black people in the UK almost drives them mad."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/807945.stm

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Posted: Friday January 6th, 2006 19:55

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Laws are no stronger than their enforcers. The same people who pass those laws are the same people who are responsible for enforcing them. If the people who enforce the laws no longer decide to do so, laws are of no value and have no power.

Ultimately, then, fairness rests not in laws but in the activities of people and in the attitude and consciousness of people.

Therefore, if the people who are responsible for enforcing those laws change their attitudes then the treatment of those people whose freedom is protected by those so-called laws is changed as well.

We cannot put our faith in White man’s law and the laws enforced by Whites. I have warned and it bears repeating that if there comes day when the society has to make a choice between feeding White children and feeding Black children, no amount of civil rights laws or any other laws on the books will prevent those people from feeding their children first. It is a silly faith we have in laws.

For Black people in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s to still rest their freedom on the basis of laws when history itself shows us that this cannot be done, we must question our sanity and what we have learned from the study of our
history.�?

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Posted: Tuesday November 14th, 2006 15:59

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The spirit is a manifestation of forces within

Good thoughts produce joy, but beware that's all sin

The order of the worker, produces disorders of the head

To dissent is to question, the reality of the dead

For the living seek life, and it's fruit inherently taught

Unto men who die young and women who fear naught

Good thoughts produce joy, but beware that's all sin

The spirit is a manifestation of forces within

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Posted: Thursday February 22nd, 2007 17:40

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Baron_Samedi wrote:
I don't see it as a mental condition because in United States Society Blacks found a way to measure it, the Whites in power acknowledge it and United States Exucutive order 11246 (Affirmative action), a law states that it is factual. By far it is no mental condition. I can fathom how peoples in certan African and Caribbean countries can say the notion seems absurd but in non black majority nations there is white skinned privilege, Overt racism and outright racial disrespect in media, text and more. In the Black majority Countries it is Black folks Blocking your progress.

A mental condition is different, far different but one legacy aspect of Racism/oppression is the notion that people who are often sheltered from it will come to expect those acts to take place and as a result resort to self handicapping, it becomes part of the socialization process for both the White power structure and the Black oppressed. People will complain and give up without trying and more. I see it on this site with people saying Blacks should avoid college, they dismiss the positives of many Public school systems and usually suggest this without a viable alternative. We live in a Capitalist world where if we are not competing then we simply become the welfare class or perish. We can't give up, many people are doing this, I think Cornel West called it Nhilism. I'm for a fight, I'm for going into the classrooms and changing these practices, I'm for withhold Black dollars from the corporations that discriminate and I'm for voting these people wh are for the Status quo out of office or outright physically hurting them to get parity.

There is a difference

WELL SAID clp)

EVER SINCE THE DAY OUR PEOPLE WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICAN TO WORK FOR THE WHITE PEOPLE IN THE STATES

WE HAVE RETAINED THE SLAVE MENTALITY EVEN THOUGH WE NO LONGER HAVE TO ASK THE WHITE MAN FOR PERMISSION TO DO OUR THING.

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