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Posted: Wednesday December 20th, 2006 18:07 |
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This is the theory that there aren't five sences as is taught by most but only one... the sence of touch.
- Light touches the eye to be percived.
- Sound waves touch the ear drums to be heard.
- Particles touch the recpetors of the nose to be smelt.
- Same particles touch the nerves of the toungue to be tasted.
Can this be refuted?
Also, what does this mean for extra sencory perceptions? Telepathy, clairvoyance and so on?
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Posted: Thursday December 21st, 2006 15:32 |
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If the sense of touch is the only one,
why does these facilities for different kinds of touch happen more often in particular areas of the body and in different forms.
Without a nose I cannot smell and differentiate different odors. With plain touch I can differentiate different temperatures.
Without ears I can diffentiate quiet noises in the background. With plain touch I can feel the vibrations of hard noises but not simultaneous other quiet noises happening at the same time.
Unless I missed something.
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Posted: Thursday December 21st, 2006 18:13 |
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If the sense of touch is the only one,
why does these facilities for different kinds of touch happen more often in particular areas of the body and in different forms.
Because they need to recive diffrent information.
Without a nose I cannot smell and differentiate different odors. With plain touch I can differentiate different temperatures.
The receptors within the nose are much more acute than the nerves in your hand. It isn't your nose that smells its the nerves in the nasal cavity which can also detect heat, wouldn't try it as said they're more acute.
Without ears I cant diffentiate quiet noises in the background.
Without ear drums no. They are made to recive sound waves which have to be picked up by the ear drum to send signals to the brain.
All have the same recive and transmit function and need to recive the nessary information in its varying formats to then send the signal to the brain an object/vibration/light must all touch the receptors.
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Posted: Thursday December 21st, 2006 18:15 |
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What people call senses are in fact just electrical impulses in the brain telling you what the world is. It is not necessarily the truth of the space around you.
For instance sight. Seeing is as a result of electrical impulses telling the brain that a certain type of light has prejected onto your retina. The brain in turn tells you that you are seeing a colour. The world is actually theorised (obviously we cannot see it ourselves) to be actually on a grayscale meaning there are no colours as we know them, just the brain's interpretation.
This is the way it is for all of the "senses". They simply tell your brain that certain things are happening. Senses are an interpretation of the world surrounding you not an actuality.
I would explain more but am out of time. I'll get back to this thread with the technicalities.
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Posted: Thursday December 21st, 2006 19:41 |
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Apedemak wrote:
If the sense of touch is the only one,
why does these facilities for different kinds of touch happen more often in particular areas of the body and in different forms.
Because they need to recive diffrent information.
Without a nose I cannot smell and differentiate different odors. With plain touch I can differentiate different temperatures.
The receptors within the nose are much more acute than the nerves in your hand. It isn't your nose that smells its the nerves in the nasal cavity which can also detect heat, wouldn't try it as said they're more acute.
How so? If they operate or function quite differently. Both have it own use and are best suited for it.
Without ears I cant diffentiate quiet noises in the background.
Without ear drums no. They are made to recive sound waves which have to be picked up by the ear drum to send signals to the brain.
Ear drum are able to pick up sound waves but with the brain can differentiate simultaneous sounds. Like a noise from above and along us. Hearing impaired people thanks to technology use to complain that background noise ruin their hearing distinctions and somewhat do today actually. But the rest of the ear should not be left out of sensory matters.
All have the same recive and transmit function and need to recive the nessary information in its varying formats to then send the signal to the brain an object/vibration/light must all touch the receptors.
Once it is received alot of unknown things take place. For instance odor or smell is said to invoke chemical exchange in some way. Not just electrical impulses.
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Posted: Thursday December 21st, 2006 19:42 |
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RasRuben wrote: What people call senses are in fact just electrical impulses in the brain telling you what the world is. It is not necessarily the truth of the space around you.
For instance sight. Seeing is as a result of electrical impulses telling the brain that a certain type of light has prejected onto your retina. The brain in turn tells you that you are seeing a colour. The world is actually theorised (obviously we cannot see it ourselves) to be actually on a grayscale meaning there are no colours as we know them, just the brain's interpretation.
This is the way it is for all of the "senses". They simply tell your brain that certain things are happening. Senses are an interpretation of the world surrounding you not an actuality.
I would explain more but am out of time. I'll get back to this thread with the technicalities.
I would agree except the nose involve chemical exchanges due to recognizing different odors.Last edited on Thursday December 21st, 2006 19:43 by defyfear
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Posted: Friday December 22nd, 2006 12:08 |
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Hmmm... a bit of a crummy theory, prehaps I could have worded it better. The europeans are taking to it in another forum;
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Posted: Friday December 22nd, 2006 12:17 |
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defyfear wrote:
I would agree except the nose involve chemical exchanges due to recognizing different odors.
Even then those chemicals will be translated to signals to the brain for interpretation. I wish I had my biochemistry book to explain this using all of the jargon. Basically what I am saying is that the brain is what interprets all of these so called senses. If I smell the same scent as you do you will not smell the exact same thing as me. This is because of it is all relative. We exists as unified entities in our complete separateness. The reason why there are individual differences in taste, hearing, sight, feeling and odour intake is because we are so dependent on our brain for everything that we don't stop and realise, our whole existence is based upon how our brain interprets matter and not how the world really is.
I recommend y'all read these books.
An Anthropologist on Mars: by Oliver Sacks
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat: by Oliver Sacks
They are books on neurology but ones that are very accessible and will explain a lot if you can figure out the jargon. Read them and you will never see this world in the same way again.
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Posted: Saturday December 23rd, 2006 12:43 |
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I think is is about time to get down to the core of this topic.
First, there is a misunderstanding by the word usage of "touch". When people might think of this word, they might envision it in the active sense instead of the more passive sense. The "touch" of this topic is more accurately synonymous with "feel". To feel is to be receptive and to be receptive is to receive, so holistically there is one sense of reception, but in the details there are varying spheres of reception. The lowest sphere of perceiveable reception being what is called known to most as the "five senses", but these senses of the lower sphere are only physically based, but most see it as all that we do have in relation to receptional senses, but there are higher sphere senses known as extra-sensory (seen as extra to the lower sphere of senses) perceptions.
Science tries to disprove spiritual-realm "things", by only viewing them from a carnal viewpoint, but science without spirit(uality) is dead and limited science, when both are connected truly with each other and holistically congruous.
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Posted: Saturday December 23rd, 2006 18:30 |
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I think is is about time to get down to the core of this topic.
First, there is a misunderstanding by the word usage of "touch". When people might think of this word, they might envision it in the active sense instead of the more passive sense. The "touch" of this topic is more accurately synonymous with "feel". To feel is to be receptive and to be receptive is to receive, so holistically there is one sense of reception, but in the details there are varying spheres of reception. The lowest sphere of perceiveable reception being what is called known to most as the "five senses", but these senses of the lower sphere are only physically based, but most see it as all that we do have in relation to receptional senses, but there are higher sphere senses known as extra-sensory (seen as extra to the lower sphere of senses) perceptions.
Science tries to disprove spiritual-realm "things", by only viewing them from a carnal viewpoint, but science without spirit(uality) is dead and limited science, when both are connected truly with each other and holistically congruous.
That last line especially.
Always said on here, science needs to grow to function, new things need to be found and invented and these things were thought of as impossible, unscientific beforehand only to then be proved in some way or another and accepted. Science has to have its roots in a creative force to propell it into new fields.... everything does... a race of people need their roots in a creative force to keep from becoming stagnant... both culturally and genetically. That creative force acts as the oil to a set of cog works, it keeps things that would otherwise rust from becoming stagnant, keeps them moving.
(sorry, I'm on the ball and its rolling  )
So the rigidity of science is not needed, if new things have to be found and proven to exsist they have to be allowed into the realm of science in the first place... of course they surgically removed spirituality from science as it was all a part of the ''occult'' until not so long ago and its now become a religion unto itself, suppressing spirituality and human nature along the way but as they say, a skeptic has to at least partially belive in, have an initial intrest in, what he dedicates himself to disproving and creates a void for himself if/when he finally does and science has to move forward in order to survive or risk becoming stagnant.
You more or less said what I couldn't with the whole topic HLF. I couldnt put it together, got confused. Thanks. All the sences are physically based and function off of feeling, all function by means of the same sencory perception, not the given five.
The most abstract of the, 'five' is sight but even then light is described as an electromagnetic spectrum and vibrates at its own frequency which is 'felt' by the brain as it percives depth with shadow through reflection and judges distance by 'feeling' the reflected scale of objects surrounding it. Light and the function of the eyes can then be related to the function of the ears because they both translate in the same way. Both reciving their source externally and translating it with the same basic functions.
Depth of sound is high, low and middle frequencies used to judge distance etc etc.
Depth in relation to light is the casting of shadow and the high/low frequency of light emmited from an object used to judge distance and what not.
In the same way sound enters the ear to be translated the mind can be tricked at times in its perception of light when it recives diffrent feelings of depth and shadow/light frequency etc etc. Can't find those tricks they have with the lines around two objects making one seem smaller than the other. Won't go into melanin but of course it has to do with all functions of the sences.
..... Still, could emotion then be counted as a sence? Its used to judge in the same way as the others... Feeling is emotive... or would it somehow fall into the extra-sensory category? Or is that simply the ampflication of the standard sences?
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Posted: Monday December 25th, 2006 14:05 |
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Apedemak wrote:
..... Still, could emotion then be counted as a sence? Its used to judge in the same way as the others... Feeling is emotive... or would it somehow fall into the extra-sensory category? Or is that simply the ampflication of the standard sences?
I think this depends. By operation it can subjectively be experienced in both directions of send/receive. It is considered an aspect of consciousness, but that aspect is limited by the macro-awareness of the conscious. It is an essential part of being a true humane being, but it doesn't show up as standard for everyone equally. As an aspect, it seems as a secondary, complementary sense. Sensing someone's emotions even when they may attempt to hide it is extra-sensory, but getting "emotional" from no actual receipt of emotion from another is not extra-sensory, because it's origin is from the internal, that is due to sensitivity to emotional reaction than sensitivity to receiving/picking up the emotional energy of others. Understand the difference between the two? That difference is origin. Being able to pick it up is extra-sensory, but sending it isn't when it is a primary mode of action/reaction.
To gather the idea together better in sum, the operation of the program of emotion, both sending/receiving, is extra-sensory since both are connected as parts of a whole transit. Being emotionally reactive is not extra-sensory, but is a sign that this faculty exists within if only channeled correctly, mastering one's emotions to be open to picking up the emotions of others; so it is like reversing that process from in/out to out/in.
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Posted: Wednesday December 27th, 2006 17:36 |
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RasRuben wrote: What people call senses are in fact just electrical impulses in the brain telling you what the world is. It is not necessarily the truth of the space around you.
Either way, it is a matter of touch. Even electrical pulses are the flow of physical particles (known as electrons) with a charge that travel through the nervous system. That electron simply touches the brain. After interpreting the signals and perhaps thinking, the brain in turn sends more electrons to touch muscles, tissue fibers, and so forth to function accordingly.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 01:22 |
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RasRuben wrote: defyfear wrote:
I would agree except the nose involve chemical exchanges due to recognizing different odors.
Even then those chemicals will be translated to signals to the brain for interpretation. I wish I had my biochemistry book to explain this using all of the jargon. Basically what I am saying is that the brain is what interprets all of these so called senses. If I smell the same scent as you do you will not smell the exact same thing as me. This is because of it is all relative. We exists as unified entities in our complete separateness. The reason why there are individual differences in taste, hearing, sight, feeling and odour intake is because we are so dependent on our brain for everything that we don't stop and realise, our whole existence is based upon how our brain interprets matter and not how the world really is.
I recommend y'all read these books.
An Anthropologist on Mars: by Oliver Sacks
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat: by Oliver Sacks
They are books on neurology but ones that are very accessible and will explain a lot if you can figure out the jargon. Read them and you will never see this world in the same way again.
Thanks for the reads.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 01:29 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: RasRuben wrote: What people call senses are in fact just electrical impulses in the brain telling you what the world is. It is not necessarily the truth of the space around you.
Either way, it is a matter of touch. Even electrical pulses are the flow of physical particles (known as electrons) with a charge that travel through the nervous system. That electron simply touches the brain. After interpreting the signals and perhaps thinking, the brain in turn sends more electrons to touch muscles, tissue fibers, and so forth to function accordingly.
But are electron flowing faster to the brain due to pain or is a different pattern of electron flows to the brain such as pleasure as oppose to pain. Their is alot of unknowns about this matter
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 11:29 |
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I think this depends. By operation it can subjectively be experienced in both directions of send/receive. It is considered an aspect of consciousness, but that aspect is limited by the macro-awareness of the conscious. It is an essential part of being a true humane being, but it doesn't show up as standard for everyone equally. As an aspect, it seems as a secondary, complementary sense. Sensing someone's emotions even when they may attempt to hide it is extra-sensory, but getting "emotional" from no actual receipt of emotion from another is not extra-sensory, because it's origin is from the internal
See your point. Being emotional means not being able to function or express oneself properly it isn't a, 'sence' as such... it can only be a 'sence' when used in the right way, constantly off focus in these countries.
Being able to pick it up is extra-sensory, but sending it isn't when it is a primary mode of action/reaction.
To gather the idea together better in sum, the operation of the program of emotion, both sending/receiving, is extra-sensory since both are connected as parts of a whole transit. Being emotionally reactive is not extra-sensory, but is a sign that this faculty exists within if only channeled correctly, mastering one's emotions to be open to picking up the emotions of others; so it is like reversing that process from in/out to out/in.
Because a person has to send to recive/recive to send. In the same way light is reflected off of an object to be seen a person emotionally checks the value of another by first being emotional... lets say sad... and checking the emotional receptivity of another to judge their personality...
Overly emotional people throw energy around to get what they want, to recive an emotion that they need from an external source. Babies cry and kick fuss to get the love and attention (emotion) from their parents. That part of it wouldn't be a sence... it'd be the the act of a dolphin emmiting a sound wave and waiting for its pattern to return as you said, mastering ones emotions to be open to others.
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 12:01 |
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European persons responce on another forum =
Simple: Element Spirit touching the Soul. Note though that always requires one's ability to be aware and in touch with one's own Soul.
I've gotten into not trusting their understanding of things, off topic but for some reason I started thinking that they're imbalanced in regards to certain things, the domino effect making everything they teach imbalanced. .lol. Expecting an argument about Kemit on their spirtuality forum soon, they're well deep into their escoteric stuff though, kind of a shame really. As Ra Un Nefer Amen says; If the ancients were so great why aren't we living like them? We learn but we haven't taken back their systems yet, so far these europeans (including jews and arabs) have run off with it.
Anyway, back on topic. 
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Posted: Thursday December 28th, 2006 12:51 |
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defyfear wrote: But are electron flowing faster to the brain due to pain or is a different pattern of electron flows to the brain such as pleasure as oppose to pain. Their is alot of unknowns about this matter
I don't think the electrons are flowing any faster or slower. There is a relatively constant speed that electrons flow through materials. In this case, the conductor would be human nerves instead of metal. I am not claiming to know all of the intricasies of it, but I am only demonstrating that it is still a matter of touch.
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Posted: Friday December 29th, 2006 17:19 |
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But science I think physics demonstrate that heat excites electrons while cold retracts electrons.
Hibernation in animals many senses retract to save vital organs from the bitter cold. Heart beats slower too.
But as soon as warmer weather hits the ground constantly their bodies reawake and become active.
I wonder if they have to get their senses in order.
Whenever I feel my arm or leg loses circulation from pressures such as sitting down to long or leaning on it, I immediate do an activity to get it back into optimal feel.
Still I dont know myself either.
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Posted: Saturday December 30th, 2006 20:59 |
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Apedemak wrote: European persons responce on another forum =
Simple: Element Spirit touching the Soul. Note though that always requires one's ability to be aware and in touch with one's own Soul.
I've gotten into not trusting their understanding of things, off topic but for some reason I started thinking that they're imbalanced in regards to certain things, the domino effect making everything they teach imbalanced. .lol. Expecting an argument about Kemit on their spirtuality forum soon, they're well deep into their escoteric stuff though, kind of a shame really. As Ra Un Nefer Amen says; If the ancients were so great why aren't we living like them? We learn but we haven't taken back their systems yet, so far these europeans (including jews and arabs) have run off with it.
Anyway, back on topic.
About the taking back of systems of our ancients, we must discern these systems because in the process of them being stolen they were changed, perverted from their original state.
Does that "simple" explanation explain anything concretely?
Because a person has to send to recive/recive to send. Run you understanding of this by me once more.
In the same way light is reflected off of an object to be seen a person emotionally checks the value of another by first being emotional... lets say sad... and checking the emotional receptivity of another to judge their personality...
I personally wouldn't say by just "initially being emotional", I think it is more concretely being "emotionally open", it is a state of being in order to recieve that from others. I write this because if you are emotionally sad, depending upon how emotionally open your are at that point in time does affect how emotionally open you are to someone else helping you take your emotion to a more positive place. Have you ever experienced a highly-emotional and violate person? Get them mad and hardily any emotional "sending" to trying to raise their emotion to a positive level will get through. They are closed off from recieving, because they are sending too much emotion, blocking the channels of non-verbal/emotional communication. Diagnosis is capable of a person's view of life (optimism/pessimism), etc through emotions because certain emotions may manifest more than others. In this sort of diagnosis of personality, character, etc. inuition is the best mode, it is quicker than just going through the experience of monitoring the emotions alone, understand what I mean?
Overly emotional people throw energy around to get what they want, to recive an emotion that they need from an external source. Babies cry and kick fuss to get the love and attention (emotion) from their parents. That part of it wouldn't be a sence... it'd be the the act of a dolphin emmiting a sound wave and waiting for its pattern to return as you said, mastering ones emotions to be open to others.
Emotional manipulation, intuition is the best gauge for this. Let me share a difference, small babies use crying as a simple communication protocol for the do not have the proper body function to fix the problem they may have like being hungry, change diaper, wanting to be close to someone...but as children grow older, than can learn to manipulate emotions to get a desired outcome, but intuition sees through all that. I think emotional sending/receiving in its honest form, no emotional manipulation, is more of a facilitator than anything else, like an enhancement, we would be organic robots without emotions/feeling. It can really connect people and uplift people if honest and open. This faculty capable of sending and receiving emotion is a natural part of being a humane being, just as natural as dolphins communicating to one another, kids have it and inuition too, but the left-brain dominate, so 'anti' in true spiritual understanding through societial enculturaltion, takes away the use, understanding and conscious knowing of these vital faculties. The left-brain can only see the physical and has a hard time sensing the spiritual and the bigger picture.
Has this information enhanced your understanding of the holistic universal medium of feeling (touch) which is a sense? I hope that it has.
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