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Posted: Friday September 29th, 2006 13:32 |
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What exactly is KNOWLEDGE....lets get rid of the definition its most broad and quite frankly deceptive form.....KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT YOU KNOW (innit?)
The dictionary provides us with the following definitions:
1. the sum of what is known
2. acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition
3. the body of truths or facts accumulated in the course of time.
For all the big brains out there (dont mean to be patronising) I am sure you wouldn't settle for these inept definitions for one second!!! Why?? Well because they are all incomplete, insufficient and bereft of proper tangible substance - and you dont have to have watched teh matrix to know that!
what do you "KNOW"??
People once "knew" that the world was flat!!...Is that Knowledge??
Is "truth" KNOWLEDGE??
It may have something to do with it but we must remember that TRUTH can be subjective, what is TRUE for one may not be TRUE for another.
WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE???
Plato said: for a statement to be classed as knowledge is must be; Justified, True, and Belived.
There are many who disagree with this definition saying its too broad still! And then ther are the staunch Skeptics...who would refute that KNOWLEDGE is attainable at all.
but what do you think???? WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE??
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Posted: Tuesday October 3rd, 2006 13:10 |
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This may sound like it was not thought out at all, but here it goes...
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.
We have all heard it before, but perhaps we didn't percieve its full scope. You may say that there are really stupid people with power (President George W. Bush), well, that is because knowledge is transferred to successive generations if preserved. A person being stupid is only a judgement on their intellectual or knowledge capacity, not the knowledge they have inherited.
When we have power to influence, control, or manifest currents in people, politics, technology, nature, biology, or otherwise, we are merely exercising our knowledge; whether that knowledge was ascertained or inherited.Last edited on Tuesday October 3rd, 2006 13:14 by Shemsi en Tehuti
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Posted: Tuesday October 3rd, 2006 19:47 |
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 09:33 |
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Peacemaker said:
The realization of knowledge is more important than knowledge by itself..
How about the realization that knowledge is unattainable?? I know you are a big brain peacemaker.....i just want to see what you come up with (out of intellectual admiration of course)
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Posted: Wednesday October 4th, 2006 09:38 |
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How can knowledge be power?? Is it more likely that "what we think we KNOW has power"??
I think that knowledge and politics breed a misconception of the word....does being party to arcane and esoteric discussions or observations really amount to KNOWLEDGE??
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 13:36 |
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I could know alot about some abstract topic but if it serves no purpose knowing about it then its worthless.
Posh spice has had three boob jobs... What power is there in knowing that? 
Fred from coronation street is going to be written off, dying of a heart attack at his wedding....
What use does that level of knowledge have, what application except prehaps for meanial conversation... even then...?
Knowledge is the aqusition of information suited to said person and includes its application or use in that persons life. You can know something but not be able to apply that knowledge rendering it just as useless as knowing the ins and outs of Posh spices eating habits. You can read about her diet but if you're not able to apply that knowledge then you may as well not bother.
Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation he becomes knowledge-able. Able in its application more than its pursual.
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 14:13 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote: I could know alot about some abstract topic but if it serves no purpose knowing about it then its worthless.
Posh spice has had three boob jobs... What power is there in knowing that?
Fred from coronation street is going to be written off, dying of a heart attack at his wedding....
What use does that level of knowledge have, what application except prehaps for meanial conversation... even then...?
I think you have just demonstrated the distinction between data/information and real knowledge. Data and information are useless facts about the world. Knowledge is cohesive information about how or why the world is what it is.
Information would be being told you get shocked if you touch a live wire. Knowledge is understanding that electrical current always flows in the path of least resistance; where when you touch the wire, your body has a lot less resistivity than the air. Therefore, you have created an alternate (and more desireable) path for the current to flow, that is through your body. With this mere knowledge, simple digital circuits are created, which are compounded and integrated to make the technologies that you enjoy today by harnessing the potential of nature.
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 14:16 |
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M@LaiKa wrote: Shemsi en Tehuti
How can knowledge be power?? Is it more likely that "what we think we KNOW has power"??
I think that knowledge and politics breed a misconception of the word....does being party to arcane and esoteric discussions or observations really amount to KNOWLEDGE??
As I explained to RL, there is a distinction between mere data or information, and that which is real knowledge. Discussions is only the exercise of exchanging information. It only becomes knowledge when it can be harnessed to actuate something in the Universe.
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 15:26 |
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*Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation he becomes knowledge-able. Able in its application more than its pursual*
So this would be more along the lines then?
Proper definition; The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning.
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 16:40 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote:
*Therefore knowledge is more the application of information than the information itself. Once a person knows how to apply knowledge in a given situation he becomes knowledge-able. Able in its application more than its pursual*
So this would be more along the lines then?
Proper definition; The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning.
I don't think knowledge is the "application" of anything. Your definition is like trying to classify a scientist the same as an engineer. The engineer applies the concepts of science; however, that doesn't make the engineer a scientist nor the scientist an engineer. The scientist ascertains the knowledge, but the engineer applies it.
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Posted: Thursday October 5th, 2006 16:54 |
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How about the realization that knowledge is unattainable?? I know you are a big brain peacemaker.....i just want to see what you come up with (out of intellectual admiration of course)
Well, that's where faith would come in.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 01:29 |
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I don't think knowledge is the "application" of anything. Your definition is like trying to classify a scientist the same as an engineer. The engineer applies the concepts of science; however, that doesn't make the engineer a scientist nor the scientist an engineer. The scientist ascertains the knowledge, but the engineer applies it.
The know-how not just the know is the line I was (kind of) taking . If theres no how then what is knowledge?
To apply something is the ability to make information/data function as the engineer would but if the scientist was without a clue as to how[/
I] a formula worked, I.e; couldn't apply it he'd be stumped. He could dance around full of formuli but not know if it worked... stuck in theory with no practical ability because he dosen't know-how... he is then not, knowledge-able .
What is knowledge if it has no application ... no use?
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 03:15 |
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It seems to me that "KNOWLEDGE" is that which answers the question "what".
WISDOM is that which answers the question "how".
UNDERSTANDING is that which answers the question "why".
Example:
What is a human body, and what is it composed of?
How do each of its parts function individually, and how do they relate to each other?
Why does such a bio-mechanism exist to begin with?
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 03:16 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote: I don't think knowledge is the "application" of anything. Your definition is like trying to classify a scientist the same as an engineer. The engineer applies the concepts of science; however, that doesn't make the engineer a scientist nor the scientist an engineer. The scientist ascertains the knowledge, but the engineer applies it.
The know-how not just the know is the line I was (kind of) taking . If theres no how then what is knowledge?
To apply something is the ability to make information/data function as the engineer would but if the scientist was without a clue as to how[/
I] a formula worked, I.e; couldn't apply it he'd be stumped. He could dance around full of formuli but not know if it worked... stuck in theory with no practical ability because he dosen't know-how... he is then not, knowledge-able .
What is knowledge if it has no application ... no use?
I would say that scientists certainly know how to apply, but it simply isn't their job to figure out all the intricasies of integrating it into an existing system or technology. That is typically the responsibility of the engineer. For instance, the scientist tells the engineer that according to Maxwell's Equations you can induce the flow of current if there is a magnetic field orthogonal to the desired flow direction. The scientist doesn't care how the engineer gets the magnetic field orthogonal to the desired direction, but the engineer only needs to understand what the hell the scientist is talking about so that he/she can implement it. Therefore, the scientist indeed has knowledge. However, we must not confuse the knowledge-holder, from the practitioner.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 03:20 |
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One Zero Seven wrote: It seems to me that "KNOWLEDGE" is that which answers the question "what".
WISDOM is that which answers the question "how".
UNDERSTANDING is that which answers the question "why".
Example:
What is a human body, and what is it composed of?
How do each of its parts function individually, and how do they relate to each other?
Why does such a bio-mechanism exist to begin with?
RM
All of your "what", "how", "why", seem like components of knowledge. It would seem like understanding would come before ascertainment of knowledge, but only with great application of knowledge would come wisdom.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 03:43 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: All of your "what", "how", "why", seem like components of knowledge. It would seem like understanding would come before ascertainment of knowledge, but only with great application of knowledge would come wisdom.
Thank you for sharing your view.
Respect.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 20:44 |
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M@LaiKa wrote: What exactly is KNOWLEDGE....lets get rid of the definition its most broad and quite frankly deceptive form.....KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT YOU KNOW (innit?)
The dictionary provides us with the following definitions:
1. the sum of what is known
2. acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition
3. the body of truths or facts accumulated in the course of time.
For all the big brains out there (dont mean to be patronising) I am sure you wouldn't settle for these inept definitions for one second!!! Why?? Well because they are all incomplete, insufficient and bereft of proper tangible substance - and you dont have to have watched teh matrix to know that!
what do you "KNOW"??
People once "knew" that the world was flat!!...Is that Knowledge??
Is "truth" KNOWLEDGE??
It may have something to do with it but we must remember that TRUTH can be subjective, what is TRUE for one may not be TRUE for another.
WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE???
Plato said: for a statement to be classed as knowledge is must be; Justified, True, and Belived.
There are many who disagree with this definition saying its too broad still! And then ther are the staunch Skeptics...who would refute that KNOWLEDGE is attainable at all.
but what do you think???? WHAT IS KNOWLEDGE??
I think KNOWLEDGE and FACTS/TRUTH are different. To me, knowledge is information/skill aquired, REGARDLESS of whether it is true/right or not. Just because you 'know' something does not make it factual or truth.
Truth and fact are inalterable and resolute. Knowledge IS alterable.
Knowledge is NOTHING if it is not used correctly so I do not totally agree with the phrase 'knowledge is power'. You do not have power JUST by knowledge alone, I would say MONEY has more power than knowledge alone, which is where the proper application of factual knowledge can then become power.
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Posted: Friday October 6th, 2006 22:37 |
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As Defined by Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary;
Information
A Knowledge obtained from investigation, study or instruction.
Knowledge
Understanding of science, art or technique.
Understanding
A mental grasp: comprehension.
Realization
To conceive vividly as real; to be fully aware of.
I'd leave it at that. The English language has a habit of screwing things up.
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Posted: Saturday October 7th, 2006 18:46 |
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1. Information
A Knowledge obtained from investigation, study or instruction.
Which is assitained, gathered and put together to then create an...
2. Understanding
A mental grasp: comprehension.
Which then leads to....
3. Realization
To conceive vividly as real; to be fully aware of.
Which rounds up to create...
4. Knowledge
Understanding of science, art or technique.
After compiling said Information - Understanding and grasping it - Realizing / seeing it its function... the, 'how' leading to a full understanding, actualization of its potential = Knowledge.
Not after going through those things does a person truly have knowledge... A knowledge thats not just read and repeated (information) / Recived without personal realization/interpretation (understanding) / Or seen, made aware of, without a full explination of its function (realization).
The components don't work without one another. Information must be recived, understood and realized to be fully grasped and put into pratical use to be termed as knowledge and said person as knowledgeable. I could read anything but if I can't somehow incorporate it, it won't fit into my personal understanding of things as it wouldn't have been made to resonate with my self and other peices of information I've already picked up without going through the process as mentioned above.
Each great mind was taught by the previous one, the teachings compliled mentally and actuated (resonated within the self, made as one, personalized) to then become something new... otherwise it'd all seem like a cut and paste process, quickly becoming stagnant (Ie; Western ''civilization'') without any real advances made, be it in society or regarding benificial technologies.
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Posted: Sunday October 8th, 2006 20:29 |
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1. Information
A Knowledge obtained from investigation, study or instruction.
2. Knowledge
Understanding of science, art or technique.
3. Understanding
A mental grasp: comprehension.
4. Realization
To conceive vividly as real; to be fully aware of.
5. Wisdom.
Ability to discern inner qualities and relationships.
You can't fully realize something without first having the full understanding of the knowledge gained.
Knowledge without application is worth nothing.
Application of knowledge is power...but to apply it in the first place you need to understand it, and then realize it.
You get the information, then you study it to know it, then you apply that knowledge to gain understanding of what it is and what it does, and when that happens you'll realize it as being true...with the actual results.
If the information and the knowledge and even the understanding of the above is incorrect then it can't be realized at all.
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Posted: Monday October 9th, 2006 14:39 |
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rebel lion says:
Proper definition; The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning.
I disagree with you. (although not entirely)
I think that for any proposition to be classed as KNOWLEDGE it has to be:
1 irrevocably and universally TRUE
2 JUSTIFIABLE as TRUE
3 Understood.
The mere brain process that is involved in analysing weather or not something is knowledge cannot classify as knowledge. Afterall The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning can lead some people to KNOW that they saw an Alien last night!
Peacemaker hit a point when he said: Well, that's where faith would come in.
I think that Faith and Belief are entirely separate from KNOWLEDGE. Belief has a burden of truth but knowledge doesnt or shouldnt. In fact it is in the absence of knowledge that we BELIEVE things.
So does the key to KNOWLEDGE lie in experience? Do you have to EXPERIENCE something to KNOW something??
I think that perhaps there is some truth in this question...BUT what then of our fallible sensors?? All our senses fail us from time to time......so to say i KNOW i saw a person and then i later find out that i was quite mistaken would be an example of this. Knowledge cannot rely on our perceptions for two reasons. In order to percieve anything we must rely on our percepts which are fallible, and secondly because KNOWLEDGE to me should be universal not subjective.
I have been reading up on Socrates. And his quote struck a bell:
"i know nothing except the fact of my own ignorance".
I think he may be the closest to understanding the great conundrum of epistemology. I too have some to the realization that the more I LEARN the more I realise I DONT KNOW.
A famous french philosopher Descartes stipulated that inorder to build any knowledge one must first clear away all the rubble. He did this by undergoing a massive sceptical enterprise where he found doubt in everything except one thing and so he concluded:
"ego sum cogito" "I think, therefore I am"
But we have all watched the matrix. We have seen the various postulations that the film attempted to introduce to a mass audience. How do we know anything?? The key is somewhere between not thinking too much and not accepting too much.
but then again ...what do i know?
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Posted: Monday October 9th, 2006 16:46 |
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So does the key to KNOWLEDGE lie in experience? Do you have to EXPERIENCE something to KNOW something??
Yes. That would be a part of realization.
so to say i KNOW i saw a person and then i later find out that i was quite mistaken would be an example of this.
Because his/her personality wasn't fully realized?
I think that for any proposition to be classed as KNOWLEDGE it has to be:
- Iirrevocably and universally TRUE.
Agree 100%.
The lies taught in schools today means that people do not have a right knowledge at all. Talk to a 'highly educated' person from a private school and they'll regurgitate things from a certain time frame and have no understanding of where it came from. No offence but your quotes from Socrates aren't from 'Socrates', they're African.
"I think, therefore I am"
Is part of a parable you'd be intrested in. All those Greek philosophers sought knowledge from Africa but we're ommited from history as knowledge is taken away from the truth to promote the european delusion of grandure.
I'll post up the parable when I get home.
@ Peacemaker;
5. Wisdom.
Ability to discern inner qualities and relationships.
Wouldn't you say that wisdom the end product of attaining knowledge?
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I credited these quotes to Socrates and Descartes because I do not know the African philosopher to credit. I think the reason is because of the oral tradition of African wisdom has left us without individuals to quote. It was more about the wisdom being passed on rather than celebrating the individual intelligence of the thinker.
I do not know much about west african thought models. I was born and grew up in East Africa with strong South African women providing the basis of my understanding and learning in life. So I can only talk about what I learnt whilst growing.
For me Knowledge is unattainable. But Understanding is greater that knowledge. For even if you do know something there is little point if you do no understand it. (my mumma told me that)
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