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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 17:13

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As small as an atom is, there are even smaller particles invisible to the human eye. Inside this sub-atomic world which scientists are just now discovering, they say the laws are very different from those governing our own universe.

They talk about extra dimensions and parallel universes, all hinting at far more to our universe than we ever imagined. Their objective? A formula that would join Einstein's E=mc2 with Gravitation, and Radioactivity (The Lesser Force) in one "unified theory of everything."

The key seems to be the new "strings" theory that supposedly holds all these electro-magnetic and gravitational forces together.

Extra dimensions. Parallel universes.

Could they be describing the spiritual plane? That's what it sounds like to me!

Mystics have always said that the laws governing the spiritual plane are different than on the physical plane.

Of course these science types would drink cyanide before they even said the word "spirit."

It just doesn't exist to them.

In Quantum Mechanics, could they be staring right at something they don't believe exists?

Will future discoveries in this field explain how the lunar cycles relate to the tides and menstrual cycles? Does the moon cause these fluctuations, or merely reflect them?

That might explain how a conjunction of the sun and Jupiter in the constellation Leo affects or reflects conditions on earth. Can we really dismiss Astrology without fully understanding planetary cycles and their gravitational forces?

Can we dismiss ANYTHING before fully understanding everything?

What do u think?

 

 



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 18:37

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Well, it's true.  Einstein's laws just don't work in the subatomic universe.  At the subatomic level things are chaotic and weird.  Things are much different than the smooth nice theory of relativity. 

Quantum mechanics seeks to describe how gravity, force, etc. work at the subatomic level.

String theory is one of the few to attempt to explain how gravity works.  This is some strange crap, my man.  As I have attempt to study physics, I like you, have reached the conclusion that it's better off just putting your faith in a higher power.  Because you know that a lot of this stuff is just guesswork.

 



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 19:30

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Most of this stuff in my opinion stretches the definition of science.

"deduction based on observation and repeatable experimentation"

Quantum mechanics (for the most part) is pure math.  Theory on paper.  No experimentation and no observation.

Paralell universes might make mathmatical sense but until I observe one or have it tested empirically it's all speculation not proven.

Some "scientists" have turned themselves into a psuedo cult with dogma and faith based on not much at all.



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 19:51

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There is observable phenomenon that supports portions of Quantum Mechanics.  For instance, vaccuum energy.  In a vaccuum, there is proof that a force is exerted between two objects pushing them apart. 

 



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 19:55

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Yeah, which is why I said "for the most part".

Some particles predicted have been observed by the amusingly name superconducting super collider and experiments have been done there.  But when you're talking dimensions, string theory, M theory and so on... I want to see more than sums personally.



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 20:19

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White people need to get over themselves.  When they say that sub-atomic particles don't work the same, or don't follow the same rules, as other things, they are only showing their true arrogant colors.  The obvious truth to the matter is that the so-called laws of physics were never correct to begin with.  There are obvious terms in the equations that are not being accounted for.

For instance,the equation...


should probably look something like this (in nature)...


This modified equation I have shown is uniquely determined by the respective distances (Di).  However, if the distance is large enough (like inter-planetary distances), then certain terms will intrinsically drop out (or simply become so small that the term calculation is neglible).  I am sure there are other variables, but this is just a very crude example to illustrate a point. 

Instead of White people admitting that their so called laws are inadequate, they say there is something wrong or "inconsistent" with nature?...WTF?  No, we simply do not fully understand it.  Therefore, our equations only partly characterize the behavior of the Universe.  White men are so full of themselves that they cannot even admit this simple truth.



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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 20:45

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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: White people need to get over themselves.  When they say that sub-atomic particles don't work the same, or don't follow the same rules, as other things, they are only showing their true arrogant colors.  The obvious truth to the matter is that the so-called laws of physics were never correct to begin with.  There are obvious terms in the equations that are not being accounted for.

For instance,the equation...



should probably look something like this (in nature)...




This modified equation I have shown is uniquely determined by the respective distances (Di).  However, if the distance is large enough (like inter-planetary distances), then certain terms will intrinsically drop out (or simply become so small that the term calculation is neglible).  I am sure there are other variables, but this is just a very crude example to illustrate a point. 

Instead of White people admitting that their so called laws are inadequate, they say there is something wrong or "inconsistent" with nature?...WTF?  No, we simply do not fully understand it.  Therefore, our equations only partly characterize the behavior of the Universe.  White men are so full of themselves that they cannot even admit this simple truth.

 

Hmmm, my brotha. . .could you share some of your sources?  It has always troubled me that mostly "White" scientists have concluded, one set of laws govern the physical world, while another set govern the subatomic world.  It never made sense to me.   String theory was the first time I ever heard of the possibility of one theory uniting these two different worlds.

I know that some people of color somewhere at sometime have thought this stuff through. 





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 Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 22:44

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The Watcher wrote: Yeah, which is why I said "for the most part".

Some particles predicted have been observed by the amusingly name superconducting super collider and experiments have been done there.  But when you're talking dimensions, string theory, M theory and so on... I want to see more than sums personally.


But I think most folks agree those are just theories.  String theory will be just a theory until they find a way to prove alternate dimensions, show how strings can float between different universes, etc. 

Like one test is this.  If there are alternate universes and String theory is true, we should be able to communicate to another universe by using gravitational waves.

I was only talking about the observed phenomenon that gave rise to Quantum Mechanics. 

 



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 Posted: Saturday September 2nd, 2006 16:54

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Salaam (Peace) to All...

It is my view, from my study, that the "UNI"verse must, by definition, be governed by ONE all-encompassing set of Laws which may APPEAR to be different on different levels of existence.

Our Galaxy follows an orbit within a Cluster.

Our Solar System follows an orbit within a Galaxy.

Our Planet follows an orbit within a Solar system.

Human Beings follow an orbit within their Sphere's of activity.

Electrons follow an orbit within an Atom.

Spheres within Spheres...and it is the Sphere that is the best signifies "oneness".

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