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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 16:09 |
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Sciene Vs Myth
Mythology as in mystifying things that science now attempts to explain through logic.
Mystifying something encourages the imagination, the visualization of things thus engaging two sides of the brain at once as the person learning has to think both logically and creativly to fully understand what is being taught.
Logical science is therefore inferior to a cultural/mystical explaination as it only engages one side of the brain, the logical as well as being subbornly anti - relgious. A belief in science is the belief that there is no God as he cannot be logically explained.
Definition of Science;
Science seeks to understand how nature behaves by observing and correlating available factual information. Our understanding of science is therefore based upon, and limited by, the factual information available. In science, fact-based explanations are called "theories." Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent.
http://www.fsteiger.com/sci-def.html
Definition of Myth
In this document the word "myth" will be defined as a story of forgotten or vague origin, basically religious or supernatural in nature, which seeks to explain or rationalize one or more aspects of the world or a society.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/mythology.html
Myth tends to add a personality to an element that otherwise wouldn't have one in science.
The element of air in Hindu mythology for example;
Raikva said: "There is this great cosmic air or wind which is an absorbent of everything. Everything is absorbed into it, everything rises from it, everything is maintained in it, and everything goes back into it. When the fire subsides, it goes into it. It is absorbed into this great wind that absorbs everything into itself. It is on this Vayu, the great deity, that I am meditating."
The Panchamahabhuta, or "five great elements," of Hinduism are Prithvi or Bhumi (Earth), Ap or Jala (Water), Agni or Tejas (Fire), Vayu or Pavan (Air or Wind), and Akasha (Aether)
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/chhand/ch_apx2a.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayu
To them myth isn't myth of course its related factually in place of the scentific explaination of air. Engaging in visualization, religious belief and giving the element a persona. As Rafa-elohiem is tall wearing violet and purple holding a chalice to the Jewish, Vayu is explained with just as much colour and persona.
The element of air in science is;
Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth and retained by the Earth's gravity. It contains roughly 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen, with trace amounts of other gases such as water vapor. This mixture of gases is commonly known as air. The atmosphere protects life on Earth by absorbing ultraviolet solar radiation and reducing temperature extremes between day and night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere
Factual, broken down and explained away into nothingness. A simple,
'combination of nitrogen and oxygen with trace amounts of other gases such as water vapour'.
It seems as though it, 'just so happens' to be a combination that protects us from solar radiation just as Rafa-el-ohim or Vayu is said to protcect in mythology. A life giving element surely deserves more credit than science gives it, especially as science is diriven from mythology, the gods names now being -Oxygen- or likewise, taken from Greek myth and lodged in the logical vortex of the brain to rot and rust away without a real explaination of its uncontrolability... its persona as it floats around us protecting us from ultra violet rays and giving life.
Science underminds whereas myth accredits.
Myth = Religious, creative + logical, personification of...
Science = Non - Religious, logical, explaination of...
Modern Science - The worship of fact or theory as taken from Fiction.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 20:30 |
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Interesting.......
Science and Myths both have downfalls, I was just listening to some audio the other day about what science does, it makes everything an "IT" and doesn't take the "I" and "WE" into account. Sciences problem is if it contiunes not to take "WE" into consideration there may be major problems in the future, there are certain boundaries science shouldn't cross and the human genome is one of them, in my current point of view.
Bare with me whilst I digress a little..........
"I" is first person, "YOU" is second person, if we agree on something "WE" become first person "US", him or her is third person, over there "IT"
Myths....
What can I say,... I'm not a myth lover, although I do appreciate the purpose Myths has had or do have in preserving some sort of knowlegde or historical content over past ages, I just don't take it as literal. Whilst the Rafa-Elohim and Vayu seem to be figurative representations of earths atomoshpere protecting us from solar radiation (according to above posts)
You could say the ancients didn't know the words atmoshpere or solar radiation, either way they gave them personalities, but what would happen if a person was unaware of atmosphere, yet aware of Rafa-Elohim/Vayu? what if there was a problem with the atmosphere, yet the person might be petitioning Rafa-Elohim/Vayu for help? what good is this if the person still uses CFC sprays and constantly pollutes the air regardless, yet at the same time petitioning? none,
This is where science proves itself.
Me personally, I don't take myths as literal ie:
Moses parting the seas, I think if this happend at all, it would have another meaning, I don't know what exactly but I don't believe he stood in front of the waters with a rod and it parted. I put this firmly with Rafa-Elohim and Vayu.
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 21:11 |
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I see your point, most Myth isn't literal its made to engage the mind, a Zulu Shaman explains it in his book quite well, Indaba my children by Credo Mutwa. He says that Myths are meant to stimulate peoples minds, the real meaning being hidden within them. The over exaggeration of things like, ''He fought 10,000 men'' or, ''he was invincible in battle'' really means that he fought as though he could have taken on 10,000 men or he took on so many injuries while fighting it was as though he was invincible. Its to help people see it in their minds eye as it were. Some stories can be broken down and interpreted as being natural disasters etc... I mentioned it in another post.
''The Sun God fought with the God Broomoo and fell from the sky so the Earth Mother sent the wind God who came to his rescue''
Is really the time of the ice age, the battle being between the Sun and a Volcano (Broomoo) the wind God saved the sun by clearing the skies. The attachment of personality to the elements gives them life where science dosen't. As you said, they become lifless, ''Its'' as though they don't hold any meaning to the earth cycles or aren't nessary.
Things like raindances can be proven to have results with the right amount of people generating enough energy, they know that. In the same way if you were to do daily affirmations to Ra; In the morning, Noon, Midday and night, you'd feel it and you'd probably be able to tell the time of day without needing a watch... the Sun isn't just a ball of burning gas its had a name and persona since the beginning. Even the earth has an aura and personality, people that experience earthquakes and volcanos are reminded that the earth is a living organism. Ok, Im getting all mystical loosing focus again. lol.
What I'm really saying is that Science seems to strip the spirituality of things right away from everything possible, its a souless thing. Big Bang theories and coincidences.
I was just listening to some audio the other day about what science does, it makes everything an "IT" and doesn't take the "I" and "WE" into account.
Yeah, it becomes cold through logic. I don't know what you mean by ''we'' though. Do you mean the human race in general?
Science has its place I'm not dissing that but its sometimes used to explain things away and it contributes to a souless society lacking in culture, a typical European outlook.
God help us if they start messing with genes. Thats some scary stuff. Wonder what Imhotep would have to say? He must've had a more mythical understanding of things... not really sure if its the right word to use, prehaps it should be Science Vs Cultural understanding?
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Posted: Saturday May 27th, 2006 23:38 |
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Credo Mutwa...
The man has commonsense don't take myths literally, but... some people do take some of the most fantastical myths literally, whilst not even paying attention to the message.
I remember a video some years ago I saw, where he mentioned "everything you see is from this world" this was regarding ufo's, retillians whatever. So ufos from space? no....top secret plane from this world.
Mystical loosing focas...
There are some things science can't or doesn't even try to explian, I don't know much about raindances but it seems plausible. As for telling the time witout a watch, this is correct.
I, WE, IT...
We the human race in general, but we are all still individuals.
Some things just are and science definitely cannot explain it, but everything is still logical and not fantasical, hardcore science does strip away what mystical puts back in, science negates mythical.
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Posted: Sunday May 28th, 2006 10:41 |
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| There can also be scientific myths such as those that said black ppl where inferior and lesser intelligence.... Although this where consequently proven wrong.At their time they where presented in a certain which brainwashed alot of european individuals and lead to disastrous consequences.Although i agree with jay jay in that there are certain things which science cannot explain. Which are better left to the human imagination.......
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 00:52 |
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That science myth is still around they use statistics and up hold their findings as fact overlooking other influences. Another intresting one is the evolution theory being used to downgrade us. Definitly myth in science, guess the big bang theory is mythical enough. lol.
What is the scientific explation for the cause or or end of the ice age anyway?
In my opinion a persons understanding of life should always be from a cultural and religious perspective just as the muslem religion is their politics the same should apply to science. Its the same as leaving christian morals out of the western way of life it becomes inhumane, ruthless in persuit of....
The Egyptians are the best example of it really, their understanding of evolution for example would be of enlightenment a more personal spiritual/physical nothing like that in a scientific study.
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 01:27 |
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lol. Guess this all ties in with the above post on Decolonizing African thought. Just read some of it now...
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To take only a few examples, consider such categories of thought as those contained in the following dichotomies: the spiritual versus the physical, the supernatural versus the natural, the mystical versus the non-mystical, the religious versus the secular, being versus nothingness. These are modes of conceptualization that are very deeply entrenched in Western thought. I do not mean to suggest that every Western thinker believes that there are things falling under one side or the other of each of these dichotomies. What I think is the case is that most Western thinkers would find these dichotomies at least intelligible. Thus even a Western religious skeptic, while denying that there are any spiritual or supernatural beings, may, nevertheless, at the same time grant that the notion of a spiritual entity is not meaningless. Only logical positivists, and perhaps a few others, have wanted to say that such notions are meaningless. But the requiem for logical positivism is generally considered to be concluded.
When African thought was approached with intellectual categories such as the ones just mentioned some quite lopsided results ensued, although they did not seem to bother people much. Some of the findings of this sort of study of African thought that were, and still are, assiduously disseminated are that Africans see the world as being full of spiritual entities, that Africans are religious in all things, not even separating the secular from the religious, that African thought is, through and through, mystical, and so on. Some African philosophers have followed this way of talking of African thought quite cheerfully. One reason may be that in their academic training they may themselves have come to internalize such accounts of African thought so thoroughly that they have become part of the furniture of their minds. Such minds are what may justly be called colonized. They are minds that think about and expound their own culture in terms of categories of a colonial origin without any qualms as to any possible conceptual incongruities. Such a mode of thinking may correctly be said to be unduly influenced by the historical accident of colonization. It may well be that if the concepts in question had been critically examined, they might have been found to be appropriate, but it may very well also be that they might have been found to be inapplicable in the context of African thought. In either case, an important preliminary question would have been answered and the way cleared for potentially enlightening accounts of African thought and its continuation in the modern world. In either case, moreover, the old accounts would have been decolonized
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Kinda what I'm on about (havn't read it properly yet lame pc)) trying to decolonise from their sciences' here, didn't notice the thread.
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 13:11 |
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First of all there are certain things science cant explain because some parts of science only looks through a small window, if it took the wider consideration of things then this may help science, I'm only against science tampering with genes of any kind.
Rebel-Lion wrote: That science myth is still around they use statistics and up hold their findings as fact overlooking other influences. Another intresting one is the evolution theory being used to downgrade us. Definitly myth in science, guess the big bang theory is mythical enough. lol.
In science there are facts and theories, theories are a temporary conclusion for a question that may not be answered during our lifetime. Darwins theory of evolution is presicisely that a theory! But nobody can deny that some form of evolution occurs....thats a fact. In fact it occurs very often for us, height grow/loss, big/small body build, more or less melinin in the skin, all of this can be attributed to changes of enviroment and our adaption of it.
As for the big bang....well even the mayans calculated our universes start time was a little over 16bn years ago, scientists were at 10 then 12 now I think they're at 15bn yrs ago, they're getting closer to the mayans original calculations(who inherited the same system from the Olmecs). I say our universe because this may even be a cycle.
Is this an impersonal view? to actually relise the scale of things is truly awe inspiring...... to say some mythical person sprinkled sherbet on top of a purple platto, this is how it is and so be it has the ability to leave people in ignorance.
All you have to do is look at what happened in Indoneasia recently, people were told the volcano was going to blow a week ago, by using seismic graphs and whatever else... they used knowledge to help clear people out of danger, At the same time people were praying for the volcano not to errupt, this kept others in the belief that everything was going to be alright.....atleast 4,900 dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4990186.stm
Do you think some of those who didn't listen to science were better or worse off?
What is the scientific explanation for the cause or or end of the ice age anyway?
We come closer to the sun, we go further from the sun, its alsio known that the suns heat varies it is not contast. It's known that the earth has had a number of ice ages and temperature rises(long cycles) in fact we may even still be leaving the tail end of the ice age. They've found dinosaur bones across the whole world including Siberia and alaska which should tell you there was a much hotter climate in those regions.
We go through cycles.
Unless you want to hear "I will send forth a great flood so the wicked and sinful will be purged, and the good were spared for they worshipped me!"?
The very fact you mention ice age speaks volume because before that it was known as the great floods, this can also be found from Flood Stories from Around the World most stories talk about a massive flood then re-population. Nowdays you will know if a floods coming, there are warnings in place.Will you heed scientific warnings or will you stand firm believing that you wont be purged?
In my opinion a persons understanding of life should always be from a cultural and religious perspective just as the muslem religion is their politics the same should apply to science. Its the same as leaving christian morals out of the western way of life it becomes inhumane, ruthless in persuit of....
Do you believe burying people upto their shoulders and stoning them to death for crimes under sharia law as good politics? remember politics is law. Also remember christian morals included burning people at the stake, both ways of life with its morals can become inhumane, ruthless in pursuit of....
The Egyptians are the best example of it really, their understanding of evolution for example would be of enlightenment a more personal spiritual/physical nothing like that in a scientific study.
The Egyptians were more rational than what people took them for, in fact I go as tfar o say they were to advanced for their era, whilst others around wanted to keep the mythical, hence a form of destruction occured. Remember Imhotep "father of medicine" do you think he sprayed pepper from his mouth on the patient and prayed to the spirits?
All I give is my perspective.
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 14:41 |
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JayJaywrote:All you have to do is look at what happened in Indoneasia recently, people were told the volcano was going to blow a week ago, by using seismic graphs and whatever else... they used knowledge to help clear people out of danger, At the same time people were praying for the volcano not to errupt, this kept others in the belief that everything was going to be alright.....atleast 4,900 dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4990186.stm
Do you think some of those who didn't listen to science were better or worse off?
What happened a few days ago was an earthquake right? Not related to the volcanoe?
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 15:06 |
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East_African wrote: JayJaywrote:All you have to do is look at what happened in Indoneasia recently, people were told the volcano was going to blow a week ago, by using seismic graphs and whatever else... they used knowledge to help clear people out of danger, At the same time people were praying for the volcano not to errupt, this kept others in the belief that everything was going to be alright.....atleast 4,900 dead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4990186.stm
Do you think some of those who didn't listen to science were better or worse off?
What happened a few days ago was an earthquake right? Not related to the volcanoe?
sorry my bad, you're absolutely right but....They had a warning for a quake ALSO!!!
I myself wrote seismic graphs, this studies earthquakes, I put down volcanoes, it just so happened that Indoneasia had an early warning for the quake, they used the tsnumai early warning system. over a week ago.
. http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-earthquake-stress-sumatra_3422.html
So now let's forget about mythical for a moment, did science do its job?
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 18:45 |
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Do you believe burying people upto their shoulders and stoning them to death for crimes under sharia law as good politics? remember politics is law. Also remember christian morals included burning people at the stake, both ways of life with its morals can become inhumane, ruthless in pursuit of....
Good point.
Still the way we see things differs from the way they do and the west has no right to involve themselves in foriegn affairs at all. Its no diffrent from electrocution/gasing/lethal injection, many of which are still done in publc from what I know. In our claims of knowing right from wrong we then look at other cultures and feel disgusted at their understanding as they do ours, a muslem watching tv in the west would be sickened at the way women dress to the point where we don't understand how a man could feel such a way about it, its used against them of course to make them seem backwards but whos backwards?
The praying to the volcano translated to the west is the use of will power. The same with many practices in other cultures, probably more to it than just will power but thats the western would be interpretation.
That text I quoted up there is confusing, not sure what the guy is on about, read it on a small screen pda the other night... gonna post about it in the other room though, don't wanna bite.
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Posted: Monday May 29th, 2006 20:50 |
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Still the way we see things differs from the way they do and the west has no right to involve themselves in foriegn affairs at all. Its no diffrent from electrocution/gasing/lethal injection, many of which are still done in publc from what I know. In our claims of knowing right from wrong we then look at other cultures and feel disgusted at their understanding as they do ours, a muslem watching tv in the west would be sickened at the way women dress to the point where we don't understand how a man could feel such a way about it, its used against them of course to make them seem backwards but whos backwards?
Electrocution for cheating wives or Stoned to death for cheating wives?
But lets not go down this road j u s t....yet, I'm currently thinking about putting a small piece together about "technology and low morals/regressive thinking" it wont be one sided or even what people may think the title implies.
The praying to the volcano translated to the west is the use of will power. The same with many practices in other cultures, probably more to it than just will power but thats the western would be interpretation.
That text I quoted up there is confusing, not sure what the guy is on about, read it on a small screen pda the other night... gonna post about it in the other room though, don't wanna bite.
I hear what it's being said, but this is also a misconception to presume what the west thinks, because tv and politics says one thing.... doesn't make it so, just like the presumption on most things east.......but if I post something it would be from what I heard or come across personally.
About to digress......
What about a presumption that because people are of African heritage they're not part of the west , yet born and bred here/there? What problems might arise by not recognizing this? Would this result in my ban from BNV if I did a rational piece on it?
LOL I'm kidding, too many to take on.......for now.
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Posted: Tuesday May 30th, 2006 17:52 |
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But lets not go down this road j u s t....yet, I'm currently thinking about putting a small piece together about "technology and low morals/regressive thinking" it wont be one sided or even what people may think the title implies.
Sounds intresting, are you impling that technology ultimatly un does itself? Defeats itself through convienience as a search for a book on the high street leads to finding out more than a quick search on Google.com... What gets to me about technology like the internet sometimes is that I collect vinyl, it used to be that certain vinyl was hard to find, hence the term, ''Diggin' in the crates'' it was like looking for gold in back street shops, finding a classic like a first press Rakim & Eric B track was everything and people used to do battle to get to the record store as they brought in new stock... now its a quick tap into http://www.Musicstack.com and its there... it kinda takes something away from the experience of it all, same with MP3s in my opinion.
A book search in a house of knowledge (libary)
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Having good handwriting
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That one featured in The gardian newspaper not so long ago titled, ''The death of handwriting''. Was a good article.
What about a presumption that because people are of African heritage they're not part of the west , yet born and bred here/there? What problems might arise by not recognizing this? Would this result in my ban from BNV if I did a rational piece on it?
LOL I'm kidding, too many to take on.......for now.
Yeah, thats more or less in the decolonization thread, I think, trying to chew on it in there... apparently understanding a culture from within another leads to misconceptions. Not sure I agree, can't understand what the mans on about to be honest, too many long words to dissect and its forgetting the fact that a person naturally grounds themselves in their own culture, anything that dosen't fit simply dosen't.
Not sure what you're saying though. Would be cool to read it.
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Posted: Tuesday May 30th, 2006 23:24 |
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Sounds intresting, are you impling that technology ultimatly un does itself? Defeats itself through convienience as a search for a book on the high street leads to finding out more than a quick search on Google.com... What gets to me about technology like the internet sometimes is that I collect vinyl, it used to be that certain vinyl was hard to find, hence the term, ''Diggin' in the crates'' it was like looking for gold in back street shops, finding a classic like a first press Rakim & Eric B track was everything and people used to do battle to get to the record store as they brought in new stock... now its a quick tap into http://www.Musicstack.com and its there... it kinda takes something away from the experience of it all, same with MP3s in my opinion.
A quote from Spiderman "With great power comes great responsibility" with this I mean, we have to up the ante and also not get lazy at the same time.
You know something? Way back I was into the vinyls hard!!! decks and everything...dairy crest had to replace many blue crates when I was lurking . Never quite got the Technics 1210's though(College student, no money.. gimme a break) Vinyl hunting was good but....all things come to an end... switch. Any sort of advancement usaully frees up your time. Question is are people waisting it spending hours infront of the tv and not with their family and friends?
What about a presumption that because people are of African heritage they're not part of the west , yet born and bred here/there? What problems might arise by not recognizing this? Would this result in my ban from BNV if I did a rational piece on it?
LOL I'm kidding, too many to take on.......for now.
Yeah, thats more or less in the decolonization thread, I think, trying to chew on it in there... apparently understanding a culture from within another leads to misconceptions. Not sure I agree, can't understand what the mans on about to be honest, too many long words to dissect and its forgetting the fact that a person naturally grounds themselves in their own culture, anything that dosen't fit simply dosen't.
Not sure what you're saying though. Would be cool to read it.

It's just another essay I'm thinking about, they will do the rounds first before I do anything. They might not even see the light of day. It won't be from a typical cultural viewpoint because I feel that is defunct, kaput...look around. Time has changed and it can't be gotten back, like a pheonix from the flames something else has to replace it re-using core values which all people from differant walks of life should have... but don't have. I've used a term before "like a dog chasing it tail" = no progress.
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Posted: Wednesday May 31st, 2006 19:21 |
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Question is are people waisting it spending hours infront of the tv and not with their family and friends?
Hmmm, you're right, its a why thing more than anything... the tv is where I get my doubting of most technology from, I don't like the way people gwak at the thing gone are the days of board games and story telling, real peace of mind, now its a dull light with flashing images for relaxation. I think people had healthier minds before the tv intrusion but the real question as you implied is why are people choosing to sit in front of it and not with their family.
It's just another essay I'm thinking about, they will do the rounds first before I do anything. They might not even see the light of day. It won't be from a typical cultural viewpoint because I feel that is defunct, kaput...look around. Time has changed and it can't be gotten back, like a pheonix from the flames something else has to replace it re-using core values which all people from differant walks of life should have... but don't have. I've used a term before "like a dog chasing it tail" = no progress.
Cool. Do you study philosophy or something? Kinda looking for a place to study it.
P.s; Bring back vinyl!
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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 18:46 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote:
Hmmm, you're right, its a why thing more than anything... the tv is where I get my doubting of most technology from, I don't like the way people gwak at the thing gone are the days of board games and story telling, real peace of mind, now its a dull light with flashing images for relaxation. I think people had healthier minds before the tv intrusion but the real question as you implied is why are people choosing to sit in front of it and not with their family.
Precisely!
The days of board games and storytelling have taken a backseat, only because I feel people have failed to adapt the formula and bring it upto modern times with current thinking, add this with a lack of interest from parents etc("here kids take this while we watch tv") They too will want to watch the tv. When this happens nobody has decided to take any responsibility and the tv has now become the parent for both adults and children. It's not the tv's fault.
The issue of shifting ones responsibility to another is very common. People complain about nudity and swearing on tv before the 9pm watershed, as if the tv was a babysitter and should not be paid for that evening.
Some say they don't like their kids hearing the swear words in rap music and that it should be banned.... yet they give them money for it, but dont invest in an edited version citing "its hard to get ahold of" giving up at the very first hurdle. But once you give up responsibility to "IT" the third person, the third assumes all control and decides what you or will not do.
Cool. Do you study philosophy or something? Kinda looking for a place to study it.
All you need to do is pick up some books. There's people out there with titles like Dr. PhD etc....yet the persons a doctorate of music and is telling you what you should or shouldn't do? here's a tip...if you do something use a pseudonym and put a PhD on the end of it, Since a lot of people have given up responsibility they need authority as a replacement, they will listen.
P.s; Bring back vinyl!

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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 13:25 |
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I agree Rebel-Lion, science lacks Godliness. IMHO mythology {i.e. however, Roman and Greek mythology are fiction} does not necessarily mean fiction but rather a point in time far behind the scope or ability of modern man to record.
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Posted: Wednesday June 14th, 2006 14:06 |
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Science lacks godilness or artistic flair? I think artistic flair is a much better statement to make.
When I look at Greco/Roman Mythology I see a sort of Rosetta Stone linking our pasts, The reason why I say Rosetta Stone is because everybody dismisses Greek Mythos as pure fiction, defintely baseless and rightly so, it's put away in a drawer.... yet this fiction is currently in another persons religion.
Just repackaged, slighty.
Before the Torah came the stories of Prometheus, Prometheus made man in the image of the Gods(God) he stole fire from the Gods and gave to man(light bearer/Lucifer), Mankind lived in paradise, Pandora(Eve) was made from clay and is the mother of all women, she was given a jar(not box) and was not told what was inside, and also told not to open it, curiosity got the better of her, she opened the lid letting out all the misfortunes of mankind (sorrow,crime etc....) she closed just in time to save "hope" from escaping the jar. A hope for one day to return to paradise.
At best science lacks artistic flair, to live in a real world of myths just slightly repackaged, is to live in ignorance. Wonderous Vayu or air we breathe? are we made from clay or is there gestation?
But then again science is only held back by a persons own ability to describe it to others and hold their imagination. Much like in the past people couldn't explain cetain scientific everyday occurances they gave it a sort of story and linked a god to it, Thor with his hammer created lighting or God Spoke.... thunder. God will strike down and smite you.... lighting, the Gods wept...rain When it comes to science, people just need to learn to hold their own imagination.
But not make stories anymore.
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