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Posted: Friday May 26th, 2006 18:53 |
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If an African man and woman can reproduce to colonise the earth with diffrent races, how are we then diffrent to those that can't create us?
For eg; Can two Europeans attempt to colonise space or would Africans be needed to do it so as to recreate the human race again?
I'm not sure where I'm going with this one but there must be a major diffrence if a Black man and Woman can rebirth the earth and non are able to re-create us.
How long can a race inbreed before needing new blood to continue their line?
Are the Jewish peoples even Jewish? They would have had to extend their line so many times by now that their origional blood line would have bee more or less lost.
I'll carry on when I can get my mind around it hopefully someone can kinda carry it on, I'll use the space example as its the best way to understand it.
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Posted: Friday May 26th, 2006 18:58 |
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Are you talking biblical adam and eve tings?
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Posted: Friday May 26th, 2006 19:24 |
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Kinda... I mean, were people diffrent back then?
If man was to try and colonise the moon they'd need a new Adam and Eve, would they have to be black to further themselves or can other races continue in the same way?
Understanding that a race can't inbreed for too long without creating deformites etc....
Built myself a new bong so I'll be meditating on it tonight hopefully I can make sence of it cause I can't explain what I mean
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Posted: Friday May 26th, 2006 21:03 |
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This news story may have some answers for you.
Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; Page A01
Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."
The work raises a raft of new questions -- not least of which is why white skin caught on so thoroughly in northern climes once it arose. Some scientists suggest that lighter skin offered a strong survival advantage for people who migrated out of Africa by boosting their levels of bone-strengthening vitamin D; others have posited that its novelty and showiness simply made it more attractive to those seeking mates.
The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations. That means that light skin arose independently at least twice in human evolution, in each case affecting populations with the facial and other traits that today are commonly regarded as the hallmarks of Caucasian and Asian races.
Several sociologists and others said they feared that such revelations might wrongly overshadow the prevailing finding of genetics over the past 10 years: that the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group.
Even study leader Keith Cheng said he was at first uncomfortable talking about the new work, fearing that the finding of such a clear genetic difference between people of African and European ancestries might reawaken discredited assertions of other purported inborn differences between races -- the most long-standing and inflammatory of those being intelligence.
"I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different," Cheng said.
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Posted: Wednesday June 21st, 2006 18:52 |
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"For eg; Can two Europeans attempt to colonise space or would Africans be needed to do it so as to recreate the human race again?"
Unless there is another planet that is the exact replica of Earth, the likelihood that Africans (or any other race for that matter) could "recreate" the human race -- as we know it now -- is basically zilch.
Even if the new home is a replica, these colonizing Africans will have to retrace all the steps, go through all the genetic mutations, partake of the same diets and dietary changes, etc that the originals did. Add to that the fact that present-day Africans are not exact replicas of the first Homo Sapiens; present-day Africans are not even duplicates of each other -- there's a lot of genetic variation among them.
The far distant future descendants of space colonizers will more than likely look quite different than the descendants of those of us who will never have left the Earth.
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Posted: Wednesday June 21st, 2006 19:41 |
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lol. Yeah.
I think you're slightly missing my point though. I'm carrying on with the whole genetics thing.
Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
Now, what was diffrent or is diffrent for humans to be able to inbreed for so long?
If England was locked off and given food supplies via air, the English race would die out after inbreeding for so long they'd create deformities and wouldn't be able to survive as to survive a race needs an influx of new genes everynow and then... As Africans are we so genetically diverse that we can sustain longer periods of said inbreeding to survive? Are we a kinda batch that keeps the pool flowing as it were if you look at things from beginning to end.
Inbreed Inbreed Inbreed... oh hey new guy/woman.... Breed... inbreed inbreed on and on... where is the influx of new genes flowing from? Can white adam and eve get together in space and not need a new influx? Or would a more genetically diverse African couple be needed to start it off and continue the line?
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 12:00 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote: Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
I think there is the misconception that Africans cannot naturally have straight hair. I had an apartment with a Nigerian while in college and this brother was dark skinned, yet had straight (although course) hair. It almost looked like Dravidian hair or the hair that Indian people have. However, he was on some stupid stuff, and so wouldn't comb his hair all the time so it would kink up to have an "afro" effect.
Rebel-Lion wrote: They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
Now, what was diffrent or is diffrent for humans to be able to inbreed for so long?
I am not sure, but from the present scientific data, it suggests that "incomplete DNA" forces outbreeding. If a child is produced by two parents who are both missing certain links in their DNA, then the child will most likely come out with a deformity. I know this one married couple (so sad) who both are missing the same links in their DNA, where any child they attempt to have will be born with a bone deformity in its legs (can't remember the name of disease). Both the husband and wife are mixed (Black & White), so I guess it makes you think about having children with a White person...that is, what you may be doing (genetically) to your offspring.
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 15:33 |
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Yeah, my bros got straightish hair. Used to get the comments about how nice his hair is and stuff. My hair on the other hand is as nappy as you'll get, really, can't even comb it sometimes. I've been trying to put the whole ''good hair'' thing down to us prehaps idolizing the Dravidans/East Africans or something rather than white people .lol.
Rickets? Thats the only bone disease I can think of. Sounds horrible. Well sad knowing all your kids will have the same problem, is it then ethical to have a child knowing it'll be born with a deformity?... Ouch.
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 15:36 |
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did you say NAPPY???
mind kunjufu dont jump on you for that..
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 15:44 |
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Why?
Some kinda reference to nappies or something? Kinda like calling my hair nappy.
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 16:11 |
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| I don't like the term "nappy" either. It is a rather derogatory term.
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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 16:41 |
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Posted: Friday September 8th, 2006 17:38 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote: Where does it come from?
I decided to look at the etymology of the word and this is what I found: That word is most popularly associated with the words "kinky" or "fuzzy", but has an earlier association with the word "downy", meaning soft.
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Posted: Friday September 8th, 2006 17:43 |
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| Not so bad... stopped using the word as well.... I'll carry on now.
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Posted: Friday September 8th, 2006 18:06 |
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Yeah because for me that words associates more with the image of "unmanageable" hair. I don't feel that any hair is unmanageable, but only that one might not know of a good regimen to make one's hair manageable as of yet.
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Posted: Sunday September 10th, 2006 20:08 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Rebel-Lion wrote: Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
I think there is the misconception that Africans cannot naturally have straight hair. I had an apartment with a Nigerian while in college and this brother was dark skinned, yet had straight (although course) hair. It almost looked like Dravidian hair or the hair that Indian people have. However, he was on some stupid stuff, and so wouldn't comb his hair all the time so it would kink up to have an "afro" effect.
Exactly my grandma hair is bone straight not one kink she's not indian or somalian but people always keep asking her if she is mixed or sri lankan and she is not.
Rebel-Lion wrote: They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
Now, what was diffrent or is diffrent for humans to be able to inbreed for so long?
I am not sure, but from the present scientific data, it suggests that "incomplete DNA" forces outbreeding. If a child is produced by two parents who are both missing certain links in their DNA, then the child will most likely come out with a deformity. I know this one married couple (so sad) who both are missing the same links in their DNA, where any child they attempt to have will be born with a bone deformity in its legs (can't remember the name of disease). Both the husband and wife are mixed (Black & White), so I guess it makes you think about having children with a White person...that is, what you may be doing (genetically) to your offspring.
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Yeah because for me that words associates more with the image of "unmanageable" hair. I don't feel that any hair is unmanageable, but only that one might not know of a good regimen to make one's hair manageable as of yet.
Also works to define my general personality as the tooths of many good combs will tell. lol
I'd like to take this time out to toot my own horn and mention that I hadn't read anything on this matter before hand and have since heard and read comments on it. Defective genes in certain races who need to interbreed and instill ideals to upkeep their race etc etc
Horn tooted.
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Posted: Sunday September 17th, 2006 02:51 |
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Agape wrote: Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: Rebel-Lion wrote: Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
I think there is the misconception that Africans cannot naturally have straight hair. I had an apartment with a Nigerian while in college and this brother was dark skinned, yet had straight (although course) hair. It almost looked like Dravidian hair or the hair that Indian people have. However, he was on some stupid stuff, and so wouldn't comb his hair all the time so it would kink up to have an "afro" effect.
That is because hair texture isn't dependent on melanin as hair color is. Straight hair is considered "caucasianoid" or white, but there are people that had straight hair before white or albino people currently exists, furthermore, even all white people don't have straight hair. There aren't really absolutes to this issue, only tendencies.
I know someone who is very richly melaninated and has curly hair, but if he blow dries his hair out, it would look as what most people would consider natural black hair.
Exactly my grandma hair is bone straight not one kink she's not indian or somalian but people always keep asking her if she is mixed or sri lankan and she is not.
Rebel-Lion wrote: They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
Now, what was diffrent or is diffrent for humans to be able to inbreed for so long?
I am not sure, but from the present scientific data, it suggests that "incomplete DNA" forces outbreeding. If a child is produced by two parents who are both missing certain links in their DNA, then the child will most likely come out with a deformity. I know this one married couple (so sad) who both are missing the same links in their DNA, where any child they attempt to have will be born with a bone deformity in its legs (can't remember the name of disease). Both the husband and wife are mixed (Black & White), so I guess it makes you think about having children with a White person...that is, what you may be doing (genetically) to your offspring.
This has been talked about in the Rebel-Lion wrote:
Also works to define my general personality as the tooths of many good combs will tell. lol
I'd like to take this time out to toot my own horn and mention that I hadn't read anything on this matter before hand and have since heard and read comments on it. Defective genes in certain races who need to interbreed and instill ideals to upkeep their race etc etc
Horn tooted.
Thank you.
Yes, in order to genetically survive they would have to breed with people who have melanin, but you know what that within itself speaks of? Failure of the ability of genetic containment through propagation; (scientifically proven to be factual) genetic inferiority. Have any white people humbled themselves to that reality? Not that I am aware of...or really at least not verbally aware through recall. Genetics have no scientific baring on what is called "race" because race doesn't have any true scientific meaning when it comes to the basic building blocks of the shared DNA foundation of mankind. Around 99% the same and 1% difference; race is build upon that once percent difference and makes it a bigger deal than it really is. That is what makes what people know as race superficial, pseudo-scientific B.S. What it is really about when it comes to genetics is "have and have not", "work and work not".
Don't even get me started on the ideals and how they patterned themselves after everybody else, which relies heavily on left hemispherical brain dominance and the lack of holistic brain function/use. This very much alludes to the tale of the Emperor's New Clothes in principle to what I have previously written.
P.S. I just remembered I do have an excerpt from a book of a white man alluding to the matter of genetic "recessivity" of the albino gene. I'll scan it at a later time for viewing.
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For some reason a part of my post isn't showing completely.
Where it says, "This has been talked about in the" it suppose to include this: ....Adaptation to land thread. Incomplete DNA occurs through the loss of genetic information or data, which is what mutation is.
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Posted: Sunday September 17th, 2006 11:24 |
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Rebel-Lion wrote:
Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
If England was locked off and given food supplies via air, the English race would die out after inbreeding for so long they'd create deformities and wouldn't be able to survive as to survive a race needs an influx of new genes everynow and then... As Africans are we so genetically diverse that we can sustain longer periods of said inbreeding to survive? Are we a kinda batch that keeps the pool flowing as it were if you look at things from beginning to end.
Rebel you make me laugh and provoke thought.
Scientists will decide what characteristics will be necessary for off-world colonisation and then Genetic Engineers will just draw out the necessary people from earth and create the colonists.
Humans are no longer victims of 'random' mutations in the genetic structure or their environment - providing we keep technology and nature balanced.
LOL @ your comment about England.
(PS: Whatever it was that humans evolved from its gone now. This might mean that the whole human race is now on its final notice on Earth).
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aeryal wrote: Rebel-Lion wrote:
Us Africans are the first, all races carry our genes. So in laymans terms we spawned the human race... each race finding themselves subject to diffrent enviroments (or as posted above, a DNA trigger) and became straight haired and pale...
They on the other hand cannot (from what I know of) recreate us... even if they lived in a hot climate for years like the Arabs they cannot give birth to a darkskinned baby with curly hair and African features. We are orional.
If England was locked off and given food supplies via air, the English race would die out after inbreeding for so long they'd create deformities and wouldn't be able to survive as to survive a race needs an influx of new genes everynow and then... As Africans are we so genetically diverse that we can sustain longer periods of said inbreeding to survive? Are we a kinda batch that keeps the pool flowing as it were if you look at things from beginning to end.
Rebel you make me laugh and provoke thought.
Scientists will decide what characteristics will be necessary for off-world colonisation and then Genetic Engineers will just draw out the necessary people from earth and create the colonists.
Although scientists have 'mapped out' the DNA of mankind, they have yet (may never happen in their vain attempts at godhood) to master the genetic engineering of the human genome.
Humans are no longer victims of 'random' mutations in the genetic structure or their environment - providing we keep technology and nature balanced.
But they surely are victims of a more systematic mutation, a change in the structure of produce consumed by the public. Seen any 'halfy-fruits' in your local supermarket? Pluots (plums and apricots)? Although done by hand, it still is fooling around with nature's design. As for the mutation of genetic structure in mankind theses days, mostly hereditary. That is besides the secret lab mod stuff.
(PS: *Whatever it was that humans evolved from its gone now. This might mean that the whole human race is now on its final notice on Earth).
*Are you sure of that? What gave you that impression? This entire part of your post is more relational between spiritual knowledge and science/genetics. The genetic parents, the prototype that mankind have genetically variated from still exists. I can tell you that a Higher Power would not let the original cease to exist, because in the bigger scheme of things, there is an overlooked point to prove; a copy doesn't have as much clarity as the original. The final notice bit, it is a little more dependent on what is known as 'choice' and 'truth-seeking', which is really connecting back to the Source. Everyone won't get evicted, but the wrong choice makers are up.
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I can tell you that a Higher Power would not let the original cease to exist.
Thats the line I'm taking.
All 'genocides' to date have not been, ''genocides'' as we know them but cultural ones. The Amer-Indians must've wept when they thought they'd all died out before realizing that their type is actually a mixture of, ''races/types'' and not one race.
Ours is the only one race on the planet.
They can't commit genocide on us at all. It'll mess up the balance of the earth it would be the end of mankind. We are constantly feeding them genetics by mixing with them which they have to promote.
Unlock your fully limitless potential. All that it takes is the knowledge of the principle key word or name, which is almost like saying "open sesame" to 360 degrees of knowledge (not 33 degrees or less).
 Didn't understand this at first but now I get it now. Still don't get the principle key word or name part but I see your point. Understanding things from the veiw point of being of the first peoples and nothing less. There is no evolution, advancement in this and that, only a devolution, a dependance on machinery to do meanial things. They've reversed it all to prop themselves up. Its as though we've found out certain truths, tried and tested them over 10's of thousands of years only to now reside with a childlike bunch of hardly homosapiens who are only just wondering what those truths are. Comparing themselves to that of the beginning by calling themselves white and us black and copying what we've already done and we're getting caught up in it.
Was reading about a something called, ''Enochian'' its to do with angels and what not. The author of the short paragraph said;
''its been practiced for 200 years and is regarded as totally safe''
And it struck a chord in me... 200 years dosen't make something safe at all. He even called it ancient!
Anyway, I'm waffling.
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