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Posted: Sunday March 26th, 2006 16:52 |
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The Sphinx wrote: I like the idea of using the Egyptian names, as long as it dosen't scare off any christian/jewish/muslem/athiest peoples on here... how would they feel about it?
Personally wouldn't have a problem but why Egyptian and not Ibo, or Dogon, Zulu or Yoruba, Ashanti etc.
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Posted: Sunday March 26th, 2006 19:26 |
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Peacemaker wrote: zaghawa wrote:
Who are the african philosphers ? I have read plato, descarte, schopenhaur, nietzcshe, confucious, suntzu, but i have never read the work of an african philosopher.
The philosophers that pre-date Chritianity and Islam in Africa are hard to track down.
Ptah-Hotep being one of them and perhaps the conception of ma'at as well.
Other than that the best bet is finding and picking out the various African proverbs, which for the most part were passed on orally and have a deeper meaning that what's initially on display, but not altogether cryptic.
The main differences between western philosophy and African philosophy are that the western teachings tend to be in the form of essays. i.e they tell you how to act, think and behave. Whereas the African ones tend to be short, and generally should encourage a person to think about things for themselves. If not they tend to come in the form of stories.
Remember that ALL western philosophers are promoted for a reason, it's why they stand the test of time. In my eyes a real philosopher shouldn't be famous, those who you mentioned had fame when alive also, they didn't exactly dislike the attention either.
Well actually philosophers like Nietszche did not have fame at all …He had all of 8 readers during his lifetime and none of them really understood his philosophy.
Plato was a little more “famous� but not much. He was very poor and he spent his days “philosophizing� with citizens and students… he had a wife who was forever nagging him over his lack of a job. I can identify witrh the nagging wife thing.
Here is what Nietzcshe says about fame and philosophers… “It is easy to tell a philosopher: he avoids three shiny, loud things -- fame, princes, and women...�
Ptah-hotep is somewhat interesting to me. His ideas remind me in some ways of king solomans. He has sayings like –
“Bend your back before your superior. You are attached to the palace of the king; your house is established in its fortune, and your profits are as is fitting.�
“If you are annoyed at a thing, if you are tormented by someone who is acting within his right, get out of his sight, and remember him no more when he has ceased to address you.�
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Posted: Sunday March 26th, 2006 19:38 |
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Thoth B3 wrote: zaghawa wrote: Who are the african philosphers ? I have read plato, descarte, schopenhaur, nietzcshe, confucious, suntzu, but i have never read the work of an african philosopher.
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There are plenty of writings from ancient Zimbabwe, the first dynasties of China, Indus Valley (ancient India), Sumeria (before destroyed by Whites and Semites), Ethiopia has a very long and rather inspiring record, and then of course there is Kemet/Nubia/Kush when considering ancient civilizations. With a philosophy forum, it would be my research goal to try to connect many of these old writings with some of the African proverbs that were passed on orally.
Yes, I would be very much intererested in knowing about these "old writings" as well as oral traditions that have been passed down.
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Posted: Wednesday March 29th, 2006 20:31 |
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Tehuti's Philosophy Corner
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Posted: Wednesday March 29th, 2006 22:15 |
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Apologises I met tho have this forum started by now..unfortunately I've not been well,
I will hopefully get the task completed by weekend ok..
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Posted: Wednesday March 29th, 2006 22:32 |
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Its all gravy.
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Posted: Thursday March 30th, 2006 19:07 |
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 19:33 |
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| would it not be best if indeed this new forum comes about that it is added to the religion and spirituality village
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 20:07 |
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Meh.
As long as it exsists and people use it... I'm thinking about studying it now. Does anyone know of a good college in London for World Philosophy?
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Posted: Friday March 31st, 2006 21:08 |
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| well really it should be near the religious village i think its a bit hectic as it is
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Posted: Saturday April 8th, 2006 17:24 |
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Thoth B3 wrote: I think you guys already know I am going to come with Kemetic or Nile Valley inspired names for the proposed Philosophy Forum. I find it appropriate, considering Kemet was considered the "breadbasket of the world" where European and West Asian philosophies had roots in African cultures before the Indo-European and Semitic climate changes. Anyhow, here are my proposed names for the Philosophy Forum:
-Amenhotep's Philosophy Corner: He was a wise Pharaoh during the 18th Dynasty that many archaeologists believe is probably the person the Biblical King Solomon was modelled after. If we disect the name, Amenhotep could mean "The Divine Hidden Peace." Philosophy is often aimed at finding, conceptualizing, or determining that which seems to be hidden so that we may have peace with ourselves. In some modes of African Spirituality, some may call this a divine accomplishment.
Akenaten
-Tehuti's Philosophy Corner: "There is a clear concept of Thoth [Tehuti] as a conciliator among the deities because, as one text puts it, the 'peace of the [ntrw] gods' is in him. The skill of his words brings order to warring factions in Egypt itself. However as early as his appearance in the Pyramid Texts there are hints that Thoth would be merciless to enemies of truth, decapitating them and cutting out their hearts...Thoth as 'lord of the sacred words' gave to the Egyptians the knowledge of how to write by picture symbols, hence hieroglyphs could always possess a magical force. Scribes regarded themselves as 'followers of Thoth'. There were a privileged professional class.." pg. 215 - A Dictionary of Egyptian Gods and Goddesses by George Hart
-Room for 'Coming Forth By Light'
-Philosopher's Corner
A philosophy forum really would encompass many different things. It could very well be topics that have been posted in the "Village Square", "News and Politics" (for political philosophies), "Religion & Spirituality", and especially "What Black Means to you". Since we already have the religion forum, either embed it into the new philosophy forum or put stipulations on the new forum where it cannot have religious or spiritual topics besides classical things like a proof for the existence of God. I think that the content of the forum is largely going to be what people here deem as philosophy. I know that there are certain topics in the other forums I definitely would put into a philosophy forum.
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Posted: Sunday April 9th, 2006 16:19 |
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Femergy wrote: Thoth B3 wrote: -Amenhotep's Philosophy Corner: He was a wise Pharaoh during the 18th Dynasty that many archaeologists believe is probably the person the Biblical King Solomon was modelled after. If we disect the name, Amenhotep could mean "The Divine Hidden Peace." Philosophy is often aimed at finding, conceptualizing, or determining that which seems to be hidden so that we may have peace with ourselves. In some modes of African Spirituality, some may call this a divine accomplishment.
Akenaten
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I was referring to Amenhotep III, not his son Amenhotep IV who later changed his name to Akhenaten. That would be rather backwards for a philosophy forum considering Akhenaten was a tyrant and intolerant Pharaoh who was hated by his people and had to abdicate the Kemetic throne.
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Posted: Monday April 10th, 2006 19:40 |
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| @Thoth B3Interesting that you have that belief about Akenaten.  I understand that he was the first to have presetned the idea of the 'one God' and his refusal to continue with the Amun religion. Do you believe this is what caused the up roar and are you of the view that his monolithic faith came about well before the Jews Christians and Islam. Jesus was probably just as much a tyrrant!!PeaceFem'
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Posted: Monday April 10th, 2006 19:58 |
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Femergy wrote: @Thoth B3Interesting that you have that belief about Akenaten. I understand that he was the first to have presetned the idea of the 'one God' and his refusal to continue with the Amun religion. Do you believe this is what caused the up roar and are you of the view that his monolithic faith came about well before the Jews Christians and Islam. Jesus was probably just as much a tyrrant!!PeaceFem'
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Please don't mistake my tone for taking shots at you, but I would encourage you to read unbiased (or at least diverse) archaeological literature on Akhenaten and the Amarna era. I find it quite disrespectful when Whites, Arabs, and especially Africans claim that Akhenaten introduced the concept of "one God" to Egypt. Egypt and mostly all Africans already knew there was one God, but Whites and Arabs simply could not understand that (or didn't want to). They falsely interpreted the word ntrw as "gods", where ntrw means "the divine aspects of the One Supreme Being (God) joined in all of its members". The Egyptians believed that there could be no name for the entity we now acknowledge as "God", for it is limiting in itself. God was always denoted as "The One Supreme Being joined in all its members (divine aspects)".
If you look at the excavations of Amarna, Akhenaten had to rule with his army as presented in the tombs of many of the nobles...the first of any Pharaoh which reminds me of tyrant dictators today in the Middle East and Africa. He forcefully closed all the temples of other ntrw except his favorite ntr, the Aten. Further examination of Amarna archaeology tells us that when he was succeeded on the throne by his son TwtAnkhAmen (King Tut), Tut had to carry the name TwtAnkh-Aten until he was of legal age to change his name and mandate the reopening of the other ntrw temples. This is because Akhenaten was still alive after leaving the throne, but the Aten still ruled (in Kemetic custom) until the succeeding pharaoh (who was the highest priest) could mandate the change.
As for your other concern, the Jewish and Christian religions are simply borrowed/b**tardized precepts of Kemetic spirituality. Islam then tried to steal the thunder of Christians and Jews so I often throw them into the same bucket as well.
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Posted: Monday April 10th, 2006 20:42 |
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| @Thoth .... Yes I understand the conept of the Ntrw and Akenaten must have sought to undermine the priests and political equilibrium when he sought to revolutionise the religious focus. Do you see any allignment here with what Jesus came to do and the impact that had on the pharisees and saducees? Do you know how long after Nefertiti reigned and do you know whether they had anything to do with Tut-Ankh-Amun's assassination?  Having been to the temples at Karnak and Luxor, much seems to have been invested in the worship of the various Ntrw. Akenaten must have caused uproar!! I am still not sure about the tyrant lable......Peace Fem.Â
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Posted: Monday April 10th, 2006 21:03 |
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Femergy wrote: @Thoth .... Yes I understand the conept of the Ntrw and Akenaten must have sought to undermine the priests and political equilibrium when he sought to revolutionise the religious focus. Do you see any allignment here with what Jesus came to do and the impact that had on the pharisees and saducees?
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No, because Jesus' mission was never to over-throw the Pharisees and Sadducess (if he ever existed). He believed he was the Messiah, which was totally different. I have other thoughts about this, but I have to ask whether you are familiar with the contents of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Qumran Texts, and the authors who were the 3rd Jewish sect called the Essenes (which John the Baptist, and most likely Jesus was a part of)?
Femergy wrote: Do you know how long after Nefertiti reigned and do you know whether they had anything to do with Tut-Ankh-Amun's assassination?
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It is uncertain how long Nefertiti reigned. There were about 4 years before King Tut changed his named from TwtAnkh-Amen to TwtAnkh-Aten, where I think Nefertiti ruled for at least those first 2 years. After that, she mysteriously disappeared. She was never mummified, so maybe she joined her husband Akhenaten in exile, no one really knows. I doubt she had anything to do with the assassination of her own son.
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Having been to the temples at Karnak and Luxor, much seems to have been invested in the worship of the various Ntrw. Akenaten must have caused uproar!! I am still not sure about the tyrant lable......Peace Fem.
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 13:37 |
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-- superb idea.
Of course you don't want to "intentionally" scare anyone off. However, people, must know and understand that religion divides, period. The strong research-investigate-evolve the weak attack-deny-run and hide.
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