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Posted: Wednesday May 23rd, 2007 19:41 |
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what are your thoughts?
one of my friends has just got a dangerous dog and i dont care 4 dogs myself. they stil want me to come round with my son and they say dog is young so all will be ok.
i rather not have the risk given current press
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Posted: Wednesday May 23rd, 2007 23:47 |
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the problem with these dogs is most of the time they are in the wrong hands.
They are used as satus symbols --- and are forever being riled up or baited against other dogs to make them even more rough and aggressive
Then once the dog is no longer a pup and is stonger than the "kid" owner--- the tables are turned and the pup bites you in the moonie
the dog is then doing what it has been trained and taunted to do then people throw their hands up asking why me when the dog attacks them or someone else. It the inocenet someone else I feel for - not the dumb S**T who encouraged that behaviour in the dog in the first place
Children should not be left with dogs alone in any case --- just in case --- but if you are that uncomforatble with the pup around your kids you could ask that it not be in the room with you and your child whislt you visit
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Posted: Thursday May 24th, 2007 09:25 |
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Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious looking dogs, which were being let to ran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) though they assured us that the dogs were harmless . It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.
Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
- Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
- Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
- Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
- Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
- Showing teeth
- Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
- Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
- Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
- Biting of air near people
- Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
- Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds
If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.
Last edited on Thursday May 24th, 2007 09:51 by Footprints
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Posted: Thursday May 24th, 2007 18:38 |
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Footprints wrote: Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious looking dogs, which were being let to ran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) though they assured us that the dogs were harmless . It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.
Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
- Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
- Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
- Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
- Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
- Showing teeth
- Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
- Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
- Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
- Biting of air near people
- Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
- Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds
If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.
Excellent topic btw,
I have an issue with dogs i aint a dog person but my partner is, we have a doberman lovely dog good temperment and very attentive but like footprint said they are so unpredictable, the dog has bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant that if he got a dog trainer that might do the trick, like phuck...
He bit again,..this time his nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs
They stink:
Shed hair like rain:
It's like a child (i have 2 already don't need anymore)
Hoverin around when there is food
They are hindrance and a liability..
Don't get a dog around young children...
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Posted: Thursday May 24th, 2007 19:44 |
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Ms Saint Thomas: Your boyf's dog bit your children and he kept the dog until it bit one of his nephews??
How could you or him keep bringing children around a doberman who has bitten children before? The dog should have been put down the first time it bit anyone.
I can't stand dogs, and would never live with someone who had one.
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Posted: Friday May 25th, 2007 14:47 |
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Miss Saint Thomas wrote: Footprints wrote: Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious looking dogs, which were being let to ran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) though they assured us that the dogs were harmless . It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.
Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
- Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
- Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
- Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
- Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
- Showing teeth
- Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
- Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
- Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
- Biting of air near people
- Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
- Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds
If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.
Excellent topic btw,
I have an issue with dogs i aint a dog person but my partner is, we have a doberman lovely dog good temperment and very attentive but like footprint said they are so unpredictable, the dog has bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant that if he got a dog trainer that might do the trick, like phuck...
He bit again,..this time his nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs
They stink:
Shed hair like rain:
It's like a child (i have 2 already don't need anymore)
Hoverin around when there is food
They are hindrance and a liability..
Don't get a dog around young children...
It's one thing to put up with a partners bad habits and very tolerant to live with a dog if you dont like them, but to put your kids in danger -come on?!
I really am restrainng my comments but seriously, i think you need to question why your childrens' welfare has come second to your boyfriends wants and why he is not concerned for their safety.
@ Ladyday,
maybe you could ask your friend to have the dog in a different room when you visit? if i were you i would trust my instinct because if anything were to happen you wouldnt forgive yourself.
Last edited on Friday May 25th, 2007 15:09 by girl21
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Posted: Saturday May 26th, 2007 11:03 |
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Miss Saint Thomas wrote: the dog has bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant that if he got a dog trainer that might do the trick, like phuck...
He bit again,..this time his nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs
But wait! 
Are you seriously saying that the dog bit your children (that means more than one incident right?) and you still let it around your yard. I take it he is not the father? Unless he cares more about his nephews than his own kids, that he only considers letting the dog go until after it had bitten his nephew.
If I were you I would be concerned that someone I was with did not have enough regard for my children that they put a dog above them and were will to 'take the risk of bringing the dog round them after the first incident......you know what I mean? In fact I am concerned that you, the mother, was willing to take the risk.
Then the last point you make is 'Don't let a dog around young children' 
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Posted: Wednesday May 30th, 2007 21:53 |
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i am a life long dog hater and would never allow one around children. even if they are harmless lil puppies, there is still a risk of catching something from a dog bite
and as everyone on BN knows, i loves me my kitty!! (well, i will when i get a new one lol)
As for Miss saint thomas, no need for me to comment, coz all has already been said with regard to the conduct of your partners dog around your children.
and @ footprints, i hate when people have dogs the size of small horses running around without leashes and then wanna say the dog is harmless. I live near a park and hear it all the time. I don't care what they say, put the damn dog on a frigging leash!!! and not one of those ten yard leashes either!!
you know what i hate to see? some 12 year old or whatever, having to hold a leash with both hands and being walked by a dog who is clearly to large for them to handle. What if that dog picked up and attacked someone? what could the kid do to estrain it?
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Posted: Wednesday May 30th, 2007 21:59 |
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as a PS to my last post, about 15 years ago legislation was brought in which stated all "dangerous" dogs had to be on leashes and have muzzles. If that legislation had been enforced, fewer children would be being attacked.
Of course, with the "high profile" cases we have heard about, i think the children were attacked in the home, where a dog wouldn;t have had a muzzle or a leash on. But i am sure there are many other cases of children/adults being bitten in the street that probably don't even get reported.
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 16:59 |
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In most cases, its the OWNER not the DOG !!! If i got into a car, didnt really know how to drive it and accidently ran over someone would the car get blamed???
Ive yet to meet a 'dangerous' dog who has a good owner (and by that i dont mean all loved up with the dog, i mean a person who knows how to train the dog etc)
Any animal can be dangrous a hamster can be !!. But ill trust a well trainned dog better than most people in the world these days. Some dogs may have deep rooted problems (proberbly caused by a person) and they should be put down, but most were just unlucky that an ignorant person decided a dog would look good.
I have a rottweiler and ive trained him well. All my family know how to treat the dog, like the lowest being in the house. And the dog knows his place, the cat even comes before the dog! Oh and by the way im a 18 female and no way could i control my dog if he was unruly but because ive trainned him so well i dont have that problem, he doesnt pull on the lead he walks at the same pace as me. (on my left to be exact !)
Rather than banning certain types of dogs which will solve nothing, they should give a license like a car...if you dont know how to train a dog then dont get one !
LadyDay, did your friend get the dog in a spur of the moment kind of way of did you know months before hand he/she was getting it, do you think your friend knows or has reserched enough about dogs to be able to train it well. Do you think your friend would take the time out training a dog (believe me it not just about teaching a dog sit !). With all those things in mind and if your still in doubt i would ask your friend to keep the dog out of the room/house if you children are there.
And remember its unwize to leave young children unsupervised around a dog, no matter how well trainned !
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 18:00 |
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mi$$ wrote: In most cases, its the OWNER not the DOG !!! If i got into a car, didnt really know how to drive it and accidently ran over someone would the car get blamed???
Think about what you are saying here?
If I walk past a stationary car without a driver in it, naturally I wouldn't expect the car to suddenly start rushing toward me and run me over (assuming the hand brake is on of course). Quite different if someone was behind the wheel and it came rushing at me, because one would expect the driver to be in control of the car. Cars don't drive themselves.
A dog, however, does not necessarily require 'input' or 'intervention' from the owner to bite or attack someone. It is a living, breathing thing with the will to act............Quite unlike a car!
If a drunk driver runs over and kills my child, I would naturally want the driver to get locked up (probably much worse in fact) but I would not demand for the car to be distroyed......since it is not likely to be a danger by itself.
Not the case at all if a dog attacked and savaged my child. Sure, I would probably want some action taken against the owner, depending on how much blame for the attack could be put down to the owner's handling of the dog. But I would certainly expect the dog to be destroyed, because even without that owner around that dog has the perpensity to attack.
Remember aggression is in the nature of many animals (in certain breeds of dogs for sure) and as such this makes the animal inherently dangerous, irrespective of whether it's owner is responsible or not.
Cars are not aggressive by nature!
I have a rottweiler and ive trained him well. All my family know how to treat the dog, like the lowest being in the house. And the dog knows his place, the cat even comes before the dog! Oh and by the way im a 18 female and no way could i control my dog if he was unruly but because ive trainned him so well i dont have that problem, he doesnt pull on the lead he walks at the same pace as me. (on my left to be exact !)
That's all well and good.........so far. But trust me, if just once your dog totally lost it and decided to go for someone you would not be able to hold it back. A determined rottweiler is a powerful beast. And don't say it could never happen because "you have it so well trained", because you cannot claim to know what is in your dog's head at any moment in time and what may be the trigger that sets off his natural/inherent agressive instincts in a particular instance. How often in these serious dog attack incidents do we hear the owner say "But he (the dog) has always been so good around children, he loves playing with them"? ...........Yeah right, but yet for some reason he decided to bite instead of lick little Suzy today....you get me?
Rather than banning certain types of dogs which will solve nothing, they should give a license like a car...if you dont know how to train a dog then dont get one !
The requirement to have a license does not guarantee people will be responsible. People are notorious for ignoring regulations. Take gun ownership! No, banning completely takes away the need to rely on people being responsible and thus some poor kid having to suffer the consequences when they are not.
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Posted: Sunday June 3rd, 2007 20:06 |
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In the space of a month I had two separate dogs chase my children in the park. The first luckily I had the football we were playing with and picked it up as the dog came bounding in. Then the fools (teenagers ) were baiting the dog with a tennis ball ten nminutes later. I just told "is that dog really coming in here again" after which they went. A damn rottweiler/staff as well. I wasd so frightened for my children but they listended when I said stand still.
The second time was in an open space. Same thing. Foolish dog come bounding over / my son started to run/ and the dog was barking and jumping up next to him. Then the owner had the chek to tell me that my son shouldnt of run. No.. your dog should be on a lead. Because when he bite my child what you gonna tell me. Sorry? Even two other passers by after the incident who saw the play said the owner was out of order. I was livid.
The moral of the story is whether they ban them or not/ they should be on a lead or in an enclosed area where they can run about. On no account should dangerous dogs be allowed to run wild in an open park. I dont care how much you train them. A dog is a dog. They have personalities and can get pissed off/jealous/bad mind/ or just generally agressive.
I dont understand the mentality of having a live animal/ that sniffs sh*t/ eats whatever on the ground/ harbours fleas/ smells/ live in your house.
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Posted: Friday June 8th, 2007 21:15 |
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Backatya,
Okay maybe the car is a slightly stupid comparison however i stick to my view that its the owners not the dogs that need to be controlled.
How often to stray/feral dogs bite people? Not many compared to domestic dogs. Dogs who bite out of aggression usually feel confident enough to do this because of thier owner (or past owner) 'giving them permisson'
Some dogs bite out of fear and if a child does not understand pulling a dogs tail will hurt/scare it then its the owners and parents fault for leaving them together and allowing that to happen.
I know im biased since i actually like dogs. But regardless of that people still need to understand the owner not the dog !
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Posted: Saturday June 9th, 2007 08:26 |
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mi$$ wrote: Backatya,
Okay maybe the car is a slightly stupid comparison however i stick to my view that its the owners not the dogs that need to be controlled.
Yeah, I'll buy that. In that case let's ban dog owners. Make the law so that people are not allowed to own dogs, except those ones no bigger than a rat which go scurrying behind the chair when you say 'woof'.
How often to stray/feral dogs bite people? Not many compared to domestic dogs. Dogs who bite out of aggression usually feel confident enough to do this because of thier owner (or past owner) 'giving them permisson'
LOL...Sorry I am not meaning to be rude and I know I shouldn't have, but I honestly couldn't help but laugh when I read that. But come on mi$$, seriously now! Say you were taking the 'p' when you wrote that.
Some dogs bite out of fear and if a child does not understand pulling a dogs tail will hurt/scare it then its the owners and parents fault for leaving them together and allowing that to happen.
But the thing is, with these cases of ferocious dog attacks (certainly all the ones I have read of) the attack did not occur because the child 'pulled the dogs tail' - that's stereotypical nonsense, kids (except maybe one or two year olds) very seldom pull dogs tails. It is usually the case that the dog sets upon the child for some (unknown) reason. Besides, most breeds of these danger-dogs don't have much of a tail to pull in the first place.
I'll give you this. You speak as a true dog lover, but your arguments in support of danger-dogs lacks logic.
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 13:26 |
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Ignorant boys that own big dogs, dont take thier dogs them for training, socialize it etc so of course that dog is going to be unruly and alot more likely to bite. They dont care about the bad reputation they give for that breed of dog, or dogs in general, they just care about the imgame they project. Hence the fact that little 'cute' dogs are never banned. Plus the fact that a little dogs bite would hardly do any damage compared to a big one.
Maybe im trying to put my point across in the wrong way. Im not saying dogs with great owner would NEVER bite or attack a person. Im saying when its more likely to happen. A big dog is more dangerous because it has bigger teeth. That dosnt mean a little dog is less likely to bite.
'LOL...Sorry I am not meaning to be rude and I know I shouldn't have, but I honestly couldn't help but laugh when I read that. But come on mi$$, seriously now! Say you were taking the 'p' when you wrote that. '
Im being totally serious. Im not any expert on animal behaviour, but i obivously know more than you since i have an interest in them and you dont, correct? It may sound stupid to you and you may think dogs just do what ever when ever and are totally unpredictable, but your very wrong. If would like me to get into detail about dog behaviour to back this statement up id be happy to.
But the thing is, with these cases of ferocious dog attacks (certainly all the ones I have read of) the attack did not occur because the child 'pulled the dogs tail' - that's stereotypical nonsense, kids (except maybe one or two year olds) very seldom pull dogs tails. It is usually the case that the dog sets upon the child for some (unknown) reason. Besides, most breeds of these danger-dogs don't have much of a tail to pull in the first place.
Just what i thougt. What you read in the newspapers i presume?. The media... need i say more. The breeds of 'danger-dogs' have no tail- thata because thier owner proberbly wanted the dog for image reasons. Not including the banned breeds but rottweilers, dobermans and boxers are commanly docked and happen to all be favourites for stupid people who want a dog for imgage purposes. Ive never ever heard of a reputable breeder of any of these breeds being attacked by thier dogs.
I refered to a child pulling a dogs tail as an example. If a dog bites a baby its usually because it feels threated/jealous or yes, some unknown reason. That reason is usually unknown because the owners wherent even in the room when it happened ! I havnt looked at percentages but im certain in most dog attack cases the owner of the dog and/or parents were to blame for either not bringing the dog up with proper training, and leaving the dog and child together unsupervised.
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