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Posted: Thursday June 22nd, 2006 15:55 |
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Ok I was thinking, what if there were books dealing with heavy subjects, but aimed at kids aged say around three and produced in age related language.
Would you buy it to read to your children?
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Posted: Saturday July 1st, 2006 04:49 |
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I'm not sure if I'd buy it, Athaba. 3 just seems too young.
It's a good question though--a reminder that in these times, there are many "talks" that can't be delayed for too long.
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Posted: Sunday July 9th, 2006 11:25 |
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all & mwemaj
Ok I was kinda being deliberately vague over what I meant by 'heavy subjects' as I wanted to see what others thought that was.
The popular view may be, sex issues, relationships, death and bullying. But what about a book on the horrors of our history for a child?
Is it right to teach them early?
If it was produced in an age related way would you buy it? That means for children as young as three, it would probably be mainly in graphics anyway. But is it right that these books should be published at all?
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Posted: Sunday July 9th, 2006 13:10 |
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I think at that age the teachings should focus more on where we come from and how beautiful we are as a people: past and present.
The horrors should come a little later...after all that isn't where our story begins.
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Posted: Sunday July 9th, 2006 14:45 |
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BlackBeauty wrote: I think at that age the teachings should focus more on where we come from and how beautiful we are as a people: past and present.
The horrors should come a little later...after all that isn't where our story begins.
Interesting. At what age should we start to teach our children about this part of our history and how?
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Posted: Sunday July 9th, 2006 15:56 |
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stories are a good way to teach small children. african heroes can be introduced to children in this way. after all, how many of us have known bible stories like Samson and Delilah, David & Goliath, Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the Whale, greek, roman and norse myths, from a very early age? this is the way to teach our children about heroes such as those who resisted slavery, those who helped to free slaves, those who started uprisings/revolts, early african civilizations, kings and queens of africa, civil rights leaders, etc. i see no reason why these stories cannot be made age appropriate because you can buy books of bible stories for very young children.
all the things we want our children to know in terms of our history can be taught to them in the same way as we teach them anything. age three is when most children are just learning to read so i dont think its necessary to give them books with a heavy subject matter such as the horrors of slavery, or lynching i think that kind of thing would be more appropriate when they are a little older and more advanced with reading and comprehension skills. there is so much that children can be taught about their history from as early as they are able to learn it, especially the more positive periods of our history and these can be learnt through song, play, art & crafts etc and i think this is very important too and something all parents should take seriously.
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Posted: Sunday July 9th, 2006 16:48 |
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I agree with that bubz. After all how many of us read hansel and gretel stories only to discover later that there might had been much more to them then when we first read them.
But as for the lynchings etc could we not show them with illustrations and simple language for the younger ones? Perhaps, waiting until their sophistication of reading is high - is leaving it too late?
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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 00:28 |
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Bubz I didn't think of it in that way, but I agree.
Athaba why do you feel is it necessary to show them pictures like that, so soon? If I have children I will not be showing them pictures of lynchings at such a young age. There is plenty of time for that and everything in moderation.
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Posted: Monday July 10th, 2006 22:28 |
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each year kids are born smarter
they know more at their age than the last
i met a 7yr old who knew about effects of lightening
i know a 3yr old who knows about babies
history should be introduced young. the younger the better
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Posted: Thursday July 13th, 2006 22:26 |
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BlackBeauty wrote: Bubz I didn't think of it in that way, but I agree.
Athaba why do you feel is it necessary to show them pictures like that, so soon? If I have children I will not be showing them pictures of lynchings at such a young age. There is plenty of time for that and everything in moderation.
Where did I say it was necessary BB?
I was trying to get a picture of when people think it ought to be introduced. And would they buy such books.
I've got a friend who think they should not be taught at all until her children ask!!!! Does anyone think that's right?
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Posted: Sunday July 16th, 2006 16:22 |
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LadyDay wrote:
i know a 3yr old who knows about babies
 I actually think that's a bit off key and unnecessary. But each to their own, I guess 
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Posted: Sunday July 16th, 2006 16:25 |
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athaba wrote:
I was trying to get a picture of when people think it ought to be introduced. And would they buy such books.
I've got a friend who think they should not be taught at all until her children ask!!!! Does anyone think that's right?
I would buy books, but I would still keep in mind that they are children and children do not need to be shown everything about everything. There are ways of conveying the seriousness of what happened without the images-I will be saving that for later years when I feel they are mentally and emotionally able to cope, understand and ask the right questions. I do not want to give my child nightmares-certain images stay in people's minds and not always for the better.
As for your friend, that is wrong. How will they know to ask about something if they don't know it existed? Doesn't that defeat the object of taking your child's education into your own hands? That's actually lazy!
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Posted: Saturday July 29th, 2006 12:30 |
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This is my web site http://www.hakikipublishing.co.uk and it is my fervent desire to produce books of educational value for Children, but the Characters that will teach the world are Black. The first two books of the children's range - 'The Wise Child' series are based on two rituals in Islam and what they mean. The rest of the series will be based on history, science, geography and any other subject matter I consider appropriate as the characters develop and more books are produced. Comments, criticism and ideas for stories are welcome.
I appreciate the discussion thread from all of you and it confirms for me that we are not going anywhere as a people without each other.
Research has proved that babies LEARN whilst they are in the womb and as the mother has two wombs - mind and abdominal area - it is worth taking into account that everything mother thinks about and sees during birth, goes into the mind of the child.
So whilst graphic images are prohibited at the ages mentioned, all the imagery and audio mother listens to, sees and watches during pregnancy, baby also sees and hears it. Many of our babies have been subjected to a graphic and audio nightmare from conception, through to the unification of the egg and sperm and finally birth as a baby.
Education of our children about our history must start before the egg and sperm unite and whilst the baby is in the womb. Play a tape of Malcolm X (if thats your reality) whilst baby is inside, play tapes on science, maths, anything you want your child to become and when that child is born you will 'reap what you have sown'.
(Good practice is to put an audio cassette/CD on and rest it on your stomach and play it quietly as baby's ears are very sensitive. Looking forward to doing in the future with my wife-to-be)
More often than not, our children are produced by 'accident' with no forethought of planning before-hand, thereby producing children we have no knowlege of what they are to become. If you want a prodigy then some serious study is required pre-pregnancy. If its a child immersed in the wisdom and knowledge of our ancestors then some serious study is required.
Respect to all my Sisters and thank God, if what I've said you already know.
Peace.
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Posted: Friday August 4th, 2006 02:01 |
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BlackBeauty wrote: ...I will be saving that for when I feel they are mentally and emotionally able to cope, understand and ask the right questions.
I agree.
It is not the subject matter so much as it is the whole process of knowing when the child is able to understand and process. It is not as much a matter of when to have "the talk" or "a talk" (or in this case, "a read") as it is when the child begins to ask deeper questions about what has been a part of their environment all along. This has more to do with child/human development than anything else. It is not necessary to show a graphic picture if the child is not yet able to truly understand the context.
I only know that my intention is to know enough about my history and my child/ren to deem when the appropriate time would be.
Athaba, I actually have a relative who was lynched in 1895. My family and I have never not talked openly about this. We don't whisper, stop talking about it, codify our language, or start signing and otherwise pointing when the children in the family are around. We have never "planned" a day to talk to any of the kids about this. Instead they grew up hearing about it and to tell you the truth, I don't remember when the first conversation of many conversations began but I do know that the olders ones know and fully understand.
Still, it is an interesting question you ask. Are you planning on writing children's books about the topics? I could see it perhaps being a valuable tool, especially for those adults who do not quite know our history but would like a starting point for discussion or further inquiry for their children. I think it worth the research to find out if there is a possible market for it. My opinion is that generally some of the "single digit ages" (I just made that term up, sounds bizarre but I'm still at work at nearly 9pm and don't have the strength to change it) would be too young--once again, a matter of child/human development rather then anything else.
Best of luck.
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Posted: Sunday August 6th, 2006 15:28 |
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MwemaJ wrote: BlackBeauty wrote: ...I will be saving that for when I feel they are mentally and emotionally able to cope, understand and ask the right questions.
I agree.
It is not the subject matter so much as it is the whole process of knowing when the child is able to understand and process. It is not as much a matter of when to have "the talk" or "a talk" (or in this case, "a read") as it is when the child begins to ask deeper questions about what has been a part of their environment all along. This has more to do with child/human development than anything else. It is not necessary to show a graphic picture if the child is not yet able to truly understand the context.
I only know that my intention is to know enough about my history and my child/ren to deem when the appropriate time would be.
Athaba, I actually have a relative who was lynched in 1895. My family and I have never not talked openly about this. We don't whisper, stop talking about it, codify our language, or start signing and otherwise pointing when the children in the family are around. We have never "planned" a day to talk to any of the kids about this. Instead they grew up hearing about it and to tell you the truth, I don't remember when the first conversation of many conversations began but I do know that the olders ones know and fully understand.
Still, it is an interesting question you ask. Are you planning on writing children's books about the topics? I could see it perhaps being a valuable tool, especially for those adults who do not quite know our history but would like a starting point for discussion or further inquiry for their children. I think it worth the research to find out if there is a possible market for it. My opinion is that generally some of the "single digit ages" (I just made that term up, sounds bizarre but I'm still at work at nearly 9pm and don't have the strength to change it) would be too young--once again, a matter of child/human development rather then anything else.
Best of luck.
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No. But I certainly wish they were around when I was growing up. I think my veiws are in common with quint2black and bubz.
I suppose one can introduce our history perhaps subconciously into our children. Is that right?
As aforementioned the books needn't be in heavy graphical detail. As a child learns to talk, one does not use difficult linguistical launguage to help them do we? Common sense tells us to keep it simple. And as they grow we adjust our speech accordingly.
I think if we introduced to our children their history/heritage etc., early (the 'single-digit numbers' (!), they may be better equipped later in life to deal with the world around them.
After all isn't that what education is suppose to do?
*To reiterate: Many childrens' stories are not very nice (Cinderalla, The Ugly Duckling etc.,) but it is the way they are told that makes it palatable to children. And from them they learn valuable lessons.
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