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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 16:50 |
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@Cashmoney. On the money. Contraceptiion does not or can never alleviate particular issues. Other than not sleep with particular women especially if you have another woman. All sex comes down to trust and you cannot remove trust from any sexual relationship. Let me give you an example. The other day the condomns we have in large numbers ran out and my wife told me no sweat as her period is coming any day soon. She knows her body and I am not in the position to challenge her. That scenarios or similar can exist in many reltionships and I have experienced it when th ewoman is saying I know how I work etc. That is a matter of trust....
If things come to the worse then you have an issue to face up to. Hence why I always say I only sleep with women who have something SIGNIFICANT to lose by becoming pregnant not things to gain and an incentive to play the arse as too many actually do. But then to use it and in effect want to bully us and take us on.
The woman is asking for a beating one step short of death. Certain families will NOT HAVE IT. Once a woman can use her p***y for power then she will be telling my mother when and when she can see her grandchild or having what my father called communal p***y with other men in and out in front of our blood or worse breeding for the next man she meet ten minutes later who takes her eye. That will lead to death and serious violence which that woman will never win. In my country respectable families and the mothers in particular wil simply come with aunties etc and take the child and raise it under their roof to stop future killing.
You see I have rarely ever met a woman who made that decision and prepare to accept the full ramifcations of it. I know cases were women are cussing out the man's family on road as if they f**k her because they are not running with open arms to suport the child when they view her as basically slack and she knew what she was doing.
As soon as the child is going off the rails they are cussing out the father and I got a case very close to home right now. Again fooishly naievette guy and my sister in law don't ramp and wanted the child and then used it to do all kinds of disgusting sh*t to the brother and now the boy is failing badly at school wants to diss him and all kinds of stuff. But the wife' family are good people and do not blame the guy but their daugther because they know how they raised her and nobody would treat my father in law like that because he would bust them up.
Having a child is a source and abuse of power and for those who think it is sacred and they can f**k with certain families they are mad and on crack because my sisters alone with set for them never mind the men. All they will succed in doing is destroying that child's llife and why there are so many kids I know whose fathers come from good family and stock who those chiildren have no connections too. Rather than those children getting the best a black child should have which they familiies have and would give willingly they end up ghetto statistics. Simple as..
Will check what Ayallah saying when I come back. But certain families don't want no baby mother business because they know what comes with it and it is warfare and blooshed and ugliness.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 17:11 |
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@Ayalllah did not see your post. It is very very horrible thing and let's not hide it for any man to force a woman to not have a child but that assumes the woman is acting on the best interest of the child and not her own warped sense of priorities. My wife has an associate/friend who met this red skin guy who looks like Shaggy and she is mad about red skin. Not even to mintues got pregnant for the man deliberately and was so happy was announcing it at work for white people who were looking at her like . As wifey said watch people making the calculations...You met this guy when..and now you are how many months.....
I feell sorry that child was allowed to live becausw things I have seen I feel it for that kid. She ain't fit to look after people's pets never mind a child.
But let me say as some who has wathced this sh*t for decades close up. It is like war and there is no war that is not horrible. It is ugly because you are no longer in the rhealms of decency and proper behaviour. So if a man has to put his foot down and lay down the law it could be for the interest of all in the short, medium and long term.
Me I have no problems with it it is abot the greater good. A woman's right is a woman's right as a general principle but all general principles have to be qualified in specific important contexts. We must not kill is a general principle. We must not beat women is a good general principle and I can go on. But if that action is going to cause more harm all around, than any good which can come out of it.
I belive most of these women who I know and have had this discussion with have no basic principles whatsoever. A bit like Layrn Hill of the Fugees f**king two men simulatenously and one is married big time and want to invent her own moral ethical code . When they say they are againgst abortion they are hypocrties of the highest order because all they have is SITUATIONAL ETHICS which they make up as they go along. You can f**k your sisters man or best friend man and all shades in between and engage in things with are morally repugnant and then claim to have moral ethics for five minutes and concerning one thing a child and as soon as the child is born ethics disappear again.
This issue vexes me to the max becaus the amount of damage I have seen from unetjhical women and the consequences is unbelivable. There is a school near me with 14,00 black boys almost all single parents and it is a human dump. Those childrern are destined for doom. Do you know how many of these women emotional dump their kids once they are no longer fun bundles and can't wait to force them to grow up before their time etc etc.. Of course men should protect themselves, because most of these women are NASTY and only god knows what you could catch from them. A WOMAN WHO DOES NOT PROECT HERSELF IS A NASTY WOMAN. I mean Lauryn Hill was f**king two men simultaneously Makes me want to wash just thinking about it. So she could have infected either one of them. BUT SHE HAS A THING FOR CARIBBEAN MEN WHICH I UNDERSTAND BUT SHE IS NASTY AND SLACK.
But to see people playing with human life is disgusting. At least we have some romantic notions from our cultutre that is only one person TRULY AND REALLY LOVES US IT IS OUR MUMS..I really question whether these woman actually know what it is to love anything.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 17:11 |
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Sooofresh wrote: hmmmm
if they are MARRIED then maybe some kind of rights should b given to men
if it is a matter of being a baby fada then NO he has no right and women should have the choice to terminate.
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I'd say that if threy are married or in a truly commited relationship then the man's wishes should carry more weight, but I still feel the woman must have the final say about her body.
Quite recently a friend of mine got 'caught', basically her medication made her pill ineffective. She's been married for about 15 years or so, had one child with the husband and DEFINATLEY didn't want to have any more even though her husband wanted more children throughout their marriage.
Well she pondered long and hard, thought about a termination, her husband accepted that the final desision HAD to be hers. Her final decision was to continue the pregnancy because she knew the pain a termination would cause her husband could never be gotten over, although she fretted about being a mother again at 46 years old and mourned the lost of independance that seemed just in hands reach (her youngest daughter was 12). Their marriage is still together because each person made their decision based on the needs of the other.
It seems to me he was wise in making his wishes clear while accepting that the final decision was hers, and she was wise in accepting a major responsibility of the pain she would have inflicted had she given in to her wishes alone.
Too many people expect privilege without responsibility. In the case above, I'd say the man more than earned the decision she made, after all he'd been a good father to the child they already had and a good husband during the marriage.
The cussing and the threat of violence I've seen written over this thread, was never a factor and isn't the way to earn anything except a prison sentence.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 17:44 |
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@Noir Uk With respects sis. I doubt if you know as much about violence as men and most men I know have not done any prision sentence. Trust me and I have paid women and their families visits.. Monkey knows which tree to climb. The women know the men they are dealing with so things rarely have to go that far.
You look after the female interest as most of the brothers who I have paid visits with have the best advicce on these matters and it is higly unlikely to come from most women. A woman can rely on the state for her force, but men have to use their own intellgience in such sitautions and resources. I suggest men would check other men on how to approach these things not women like you. But you could have a point on the cussing though but a very emotive and hot issue.
Your solution are about your interests not a man's interests. hence your dubious line of argument which was not about fairness but a woman's interest. So be consistent now you want to give men security advice
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 19:06 |
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Noir_UK wrote: mansamusa wrote: Its always going to be a problem when a man wants p***y - This very statement covers the problem with a lot of men black or white, you casualy describe a woman using an expression that is deemed too offensive to be used freely on a discusion board and then question why women have no respect for your kind? and a women wants a baby. The two positions are destined to clash. If the women cant differentiate or wants to talk bullsh*t about its my body and Im having this child against his wishes/ when she damn well should of known that in the first place/ she should expect the worst.
NO women got to stop playing games and taking this pregnancy thing lightly that they will allow themselves to get into such a predicament. Beacause if she dont want to get pregnant there is nothing on Gods earth a man can do about it short of rape her. Condoms are available, its only chilren expect to play any game thy want with no consequences for their actions. Any man worthy of the name man accepts responsibility for his actions. YOU don't want a child YOU take care of business.
There are a set of man that will look at the situation rationally/ know it cant work and act accordingly. Possibly violently. Then there are those who will not response and just f**k you off. Then there are the fool fool brothers who will fawn and be held dictate to by entrapment. A man cannot trap a women into having a child. If she absolutley will not entertain the notion it aint going to happen. Thses brothers will probably end up knocking out the women two years down the line because of foolish games..i.e get the guy involved in a child he didnt want/ and then play off the child as some power game when she wants further attention.
God almighty someone should lock up these type of women. They are full of f**keree. Why lock up the woman when wearing a condom deals with the problem?
As I said its will always be a problem when one man wants p***y and the women wants a baby. Any women who doesnt realise this will be getting kicked in her stomach at the worst /or at the other end of the scale getting f**ked off and having no father in their childs life..
This Mary Poppins attitude that "we can work it out" serioulsy deludes many women. If he dont want a child in the first place he dont want to work it out. He just wanted to stroke your p***y. Sorry to be so crude but its like polite english doesnt get through.
Geez it like talking to children - men it is your penis if you're going to go putting it every and anywhere - THERE WILL BE CONCEQUENCES because thats how babies are made! Running around blaming women because you choose to play fast and loose is a childs response. A woman can only catch you out in such a situation if YOU play the game. Too late to start bawl an' whine because you played and lost! Of course its wrong for a woman to play a man that way, but let's face it if the man wasn't playing her, he couldn't lose. So both parties in such a situation are out of line.
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I agree with all of your points, Noir.
The final decision regarding the continuation or termination of pregnancy should belong to the woman. As women, we should have control over our own bodies. That being said, as women, we also need to make sound decisions about who we lay with and definitely who we reproduce with. I can't see myself spending the better part of my child's life, chasing some sorry N****r down for child support, like some women do, or living off the state as some are forced to do.
This whole thing about women being so deceitful that so many men want to claim is very amusing to me. On the one hand, we're supposed to be lacking in intelligence, rationality, and good judgement, in comparison to our male counterparts, yet you hear story after story from time immemorial of women being able to fool or deceive men with some of the lamest, easy to spot hijinks ever thought of. What's really going on?
I am coming to the conclusion that both men and women are generally stupid. Women deal with men who lack character,work ethic, morals/integrity from the get go, then act suprised when things play out as they almost always do. Men f*ck over women they claim to love and respect, to deal with women who lack character, integrity and morals,(and sometimes sanity), from the get go, then act suprised and wanna get violent(in some cases), when things play out like any fool should have known they inevitably would, rather than just keeping their d*ck in their pants.
I think we should all,(men and women) take some of the energy,forethought and ingenuity that it takes to scheme/scam/pursue dna testing and child support/threaten/assault/plot murder/commit murder, afer the fact and apply them to making better decisions and controlling our biological impulses, before the fact.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 19:40 |
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Fredblack point at the beginning summed it up
It is the womens choice. But if I'm adamant that I do not want this child, and you decide to have it, unless I change of heart, dont come and run me down for child support and try call me wotless. .
Or if I want the baby and you opt abortion, dont expect me to be crying on your shoulder saying 'its ok, we can try again'. I'll be off like roadrunner
In conclusion. Ultimately a woman's choice but you have to think of consequences
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 20:08 |
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Noir_UK wrote: mansamusa wrote: Its always going to be a problem when a man wants p***y - This very statement covers the problem with a lot of men black or white, you casualy describe a woman using an expression that is deemed too offensive to be used freely on a discusion board and then question why women have no respect for your kind?
Haha/No I put it like that because those are terms which every one can identify with. Im not describing the woman. Im describing the context. He wants p***y. she wants baby.
NO women got to stop playing games and taking this pregnancy thing lightly that they will allow themselves to get into such a predicament. Beacause if she dont want to get pregnant there is nothing on Gods earth a man can do about it short of rape her. Condoms are available, its only chilren expect to play any game thy want with no consequences for their actions. Any man worthy of the name man accepts responsibility for his actions. YOU don't want a child YOU take care of business.
Whcih goes back to what I am speaking of. This is noty about right or wrong. These are the facts. If the man is only looking sex and the women cannot differentuiate between a proper relationship in where a potential family was discussed or just doing a regular boyfriend girlfriend ting then thats her bad.
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I agree with all of your points, Noir.
The final decision regarding the continuation or termination of pregnancy should belong to the woman. As women, we should have control over our own bodies. That being said, as women, we also need to make sound decisions about who we lay with and definitely who we reproduce with. I can't see myself spending the better part of my child's life, chasing some sorry N****r down for child support, like some women do, or living off the state as some are forced to do.
Oh so you acknowledge that a woman has ultimate power over whteher she carries the child full term/ but take a pass on the fact that women ultimately decide if and when they get pregnant for a sorry N****r.. Especially in this contraceptive age.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 20:12 |
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@Noir UK said in your last post to Soofresh how did we get on the issue of violence ?Well actually I said that to you and said what is the actual relevence and you said in your second or so post to me:
"The situation I've pointed out is an extreme case, but their are many less extreme cases where the woman is bullied or cajoled out of this choice. to ignore this group in such a discussion is to ignore the very group it most affects.
I have come across enough women who have teminated preganancies because they have been effectively forced to do so and have had to live with the regret the rest of their lives. Let us not forget that not everyone has the strength or knowledge to face up to someone bullying them particularly at such a vunerable time"
Now I had exactly the same case last week on another thread when a sister helped to continue a particular line of debate in black and white and then said "how comes this issue is still contiuing". You see again you are fundamentally inconsistent. and of coures when you use that example and I say hey I can give you examples all night on similar scenarios you then turn around and say to Sooofresh how did we get onto this issue when in fact you introduced it and I was the one saying what is the relevence.
In fact then you try to argue we are getting off point. Sorry there is never any ONE POINT in any argument or thread and esepcially on something like the right to decide which has massive implications. t?The fact that women are not looking good is always off point isnt it?.
Then you come wiith the standard cliches...Sister you can respond to me or not. There are more people on this Forum than you and more ways of conceding an argument than say I concede your pont as that takes integrity. But I will repeat what |I have said a thousand times before and for others to read it You see when intellecutally in a weak position nothing you can do other than develop a strong positon can make you look better. Because you are fundamentally in an intellectual hole.
WE as a people will not go one step further until our women pick up their intellectual game. In fact having had this discussion so often with women I can actually write down in advance what most will say even the cliche's and put it in envolope and hand to a third party to verify once they open their mouths..
It is frankly irritating and takes us nowhere and insutling to be frank. If you do not realise if A=3 and A+B=5 ergo the value of B=2 with respect you have no business having serious intelligent discussions with anybody and especially on serious issues like this and are offending people with your simplistic and contradictiory nonsense.
I said this to a brother a couple of days ago in a PM discussion who was lamenting on the woeful quality of female imput on key issues and my view is this and I have said it from day one. Any seriiously far thinking black man has to think about solutions primarily form a male perspective because to waste your time looking from any other angles is a poor use of resources. It is the calibre of black women on the other side of the bench or table which should define the female input and as you simply illustrate yet again how woeful that and fundamentally inconsisten that is.
What this means and I have said this since Noah was a boy there will be no concensus on key issues what there will and must be is black men developing their power and strategies and IMPOSING THEM...SIMPLE AS....Because none of the conditions needed to develop a consensual approach exist and it is like throwing good money after bad to try to build a house out of rice grains or sand.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 20:25 |
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mansamusa wrote: Noir_UK wrote: mansamusa wrote: Its always going to be a problem when a man wants p***y - This very statement covers the problem with a lot of men black or white, you casualy describe a woman using an expression that is deemed too offensive to be used freely on a discusion board and then question why women have no respect for your kind?
Haha/No I put it like that because those are terms which every one can identify with. Im not describing the woman. Im describing the context. He wants p***y. she wants baby.
NO women got to stop playing games and taking this pregnancy thing lightly that they will allow themselves to get into such a predicament. Beacause if she dont want to get pregnant there is nothing on Gods earth a man can do about it short of rape her. Condoms are available, its only chilren expect to play any game thy want with no consequences for their actions. Any man worthy of the name man accepts responsibility for his actions. YOU don't want a child YOU take care of business.
Whcih goes back to what I am speaking of. This is noty about right or wrong. These are the facts. If the man is only looking sex and the women cannot differentuiate between a proper relationship in where a potential family was discussed or just doing a regular boyfriend girlfriend ting then thats her bad.
@gm
I agree with all of your points, Noir.
The final decision regarding the continuation or termination of pregnancy should belong to the woman. As women, we should have control over our own bodies. That being said, as women, we also need to make sound decisions about who we lay with and definitely who we reproduce with. I can't see myself spending the better part of my child's life, chasing some sorry N****r down for child support, like some women do, or living off the state as some are forced to do.
Oh so you acknowledge that a woman has ultimate power over whteher she carries the child full term/ but take a pass on the fact that women ultimately decide if and when they get pregnant for a sorry N****r.. Especially in this contraceptive age.
Joker.
How am I taking a pass on whether or not women have control over who they lay with or reproduce with? My position is that all adults should take responsibility for their actions. When it comes to sex, since women will experience the bulk of the effect and risks during and after pregnancy, we should take particular care with our decisions and behavior. That however, does not preclude men from being more discerning about where they put their penises(,especially when the prospect of a child seems to send them into a murderous rage and they claim to have so much to lose, hurting their beloved wife,jeopardizing their marriage), what's inconsistent about that? I don't see this as either or, I see it as both and.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 20:50 |
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aaaah lovely sun out their
anyway
progression?
still not sure if people are vetoing pro-cjoice, pro-life or both
okay i will get the ball running again
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 20:59 |
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@Cash said this a thousand times and will say it again. Most of these women know nothing about men nothing at all. Because a man is jamming them sexuallly they actually think they know something. I call it the Lesbian commune mentallity, where my wife is right now with all her girls. They sit there and think speaking to women they know men and how men are designed and operate.
Study any serious work on family and separtion and there are tons eg "Fathering at Risk" by Dudley RJ and Stone G and there are tons of serious studies (whole libaries of them) and they simply tell you what any man will know instinctiviely. My dad is my ulitmate boss and Chief Executive as I am to my son. I rarely have to use that power, but that is my pyschological relationship and emotional attachment. I am ulimately the boss on every aspect of that child's existence as is my grandfather and great grandfather before us..
Because of that pychology my father will die any day of the week (as old as he is now) for his children. He will starve for his children. They are his in every sense of the word and an extension also of his ego. My mothr would never ever dare cut across that or my mother in law to my fahter in law, and what that man does for his kids even today when they are big arse people. My dad woulnd' as we are predominantly men but he has all girls so it is different. Women are always babies to their fathers.
What some of these young girls (and I have too call them that) because to a woman my mother's age this is so obvious it is not even worth repeating when you start messing around with that power relationship and psychological dynamic with men as fathers you are creating a mess you will neve be able to put back together. So the implications of how you use power are heavy and why with power must come wisdom. I can overurle my wife on nuiff things if we cannot come to an agreement but rarely ever do because it is about what is wise not what power I have.
Women often say how can he do that, or not want to know about his kids?. Well very easily really because I know how I would feel or if my mother dared cross my father's pergoatives where his children is concerned. Look at all the academic stuides in any nation from here to Austrailia, CAnada etc, UK. Once that link is broken it fundamentally changes the relationship between a man and his children..
The amount of women who have said to me, but Fred how can he not want to see his kids and I can't even answer because if you are so dim, I don't have the energy. Men do not bare children. They do not carry children or struggle with them through labour and all that goes with it. So men's attachement to their children cannot or ever be looked at in the same way as a woman. They are designed differently and feel differently. I know if my mother did things to my dad which undermined his power especially in front of us or in public my father would walk and keep walking. I know my dad. That is how he is designed and raised and makes him such great man and father. So a wise woman would not do it.
If you look at the relationship between middle class men or men of means. Same thing they can walk away from their children in late years and not turn back, of all creeds and races and white men in paticular. If you think it is poor and struggling black men we are talking about wrong big time....So I think many women really do not understand the consequences of the things they do as they actually have such a misunderstanding of the basic workings of men that they can like a box of choclate and pick and choose in this culture what rights a father can have or what is his decision or not. For example in my culture a woman always chooses the home. Make no difference whose money it is.
Why because try to live with a black woman in a house she did not choose or shape to her personality. Warfare she will never forgive or forget it. As if you are undermining her fundamental essence as a woman. I know this if pushed between two ugly alternatives. My wife catching me with another woman or me forcing her to live in a house she did not build or dictate how it was designed etc. She would prefer the affair optiion. But NEVER the second one. It is such a violation of her rights and power as a woman and her ability to walk around like a sergeant major being the boss of her home and having it reflcet her psychology and tastes etc..It would be too much for her. And I know my woman.
So we need to understand how these decisions affect how men respond to these things and it pisses me off when I hear certain men say what kind of wotless man is that. WEll they may be albe to live with it and what? They are certain types of men. Same way you can diss and insult and denigrate some men in front of anyone, and not others, because they will kill STRAIGHT. As they are designed and motivated in fundamentallly different ways.
Of course it is complicated if the man is not fit to be a father or in the home with his children, but that takes us right back to first principles.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 21:24 |
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| I'm pro-life. But what I do know is that abortion for reasons like the condom broke/i ain't ready for a kid/forgot to take my pill etc are wrong. If you want to have sex, you have to be prepared to deal with the possibility of getting pregnant. Anything else is just plain selfishness. I have always been pro-life, made poignant even more after I watched a documentary about abortions showing the gore and blood of foetuses in various stages of development that had been MURDERED (because that is what abortion is). After seeing something like that, ones views on abortion would undoubtedly be affected.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 22:07 |
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Gmahogany wrote:
I agree with all of your points, Noir.
The final decision regarding the continuation or termination of pregnancy should belong to the woman. As women, we should have control over our own bodies. That being said, as women, we also need to make sound decisions about who we lay with and definitely who we reproduce with. I can't see myself spending the better part of my child's life, chasing some sorry N****r down for child support, like some women do, or living off the state as some are forced to do.
This whole thing about women being so deceitful that so many men want to claim is very amusing to me. On the one hand, we're supposed to be lacking in intelligence, rationality, and good judgement, in comparison to our male counterparts, yet you hear story after story from time immemorial of women being able to fool or deceive men with some of the lamest, easy to spot hijinks ever thought of. What's really going on?
I am coming to the conclusion that both men and women are generally stupid. Women deal with men who lack character,work ethic, morals/integrity from the get go, then act suprised when things play out as they almost always do. Men f*ck over women they claim to love and respect, to deal with women who lack character, integrity and morals,(and sometimes sanity), from the get go, then act suprised and wanna get violent(in some cases), when things play out like any fool should have known they inevitably would, rather than just keeping their d*ck in their pants.
I think we should all,(men and women) take some of the energy,forethought and ingenuity that it takes to scheme/scam/pursue dna testing and child support/threaten/assault/plot murder/commit murder, afer the fact and apply them to making better decisions and controlling our biological impulses, before the fact. 
What more can I say?
Both men and women question my choice not to have children, including men hitting on me while their baby mother is at home looking after their child and women in between cussing their baby father for whatever inadequecies he is accused of this week. I can only shake my head and carry on with my life.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 22:23 |
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mansamusa wrote:
Haha/No I put it like that because those are terms which every one can identify with. Im not describing the woman. Im describing the context. He wants p***y. she wants baby.
Actually no, it is not a term I identify with.
Whcih goes back to what I am speaking of. This is noty about right or wrong. These are the facts. If the man is only looking sex and the women cannot differentuiate between a proper relationship in where a potential family was discussed or just doing a regular boyfriend girlfriend ting then thats her bad.
The women cannot differentiate? In your world it seems the woman are responsible for the man's actions as well as her own...... Do you not believe men have any responsibility for their actions at all?
Oh so you acknowledge that a woman has ultimate power over whteher she carries the child full term/ but take a pass on the fact that women ultimately decide if and when they get pregnant for a sorry N****r.. Especially in this contraceptive age.
Joker.
Men and women each have responsibility or 'power' as you put it over their own fertility. A man is fully able to decide 'in this contraceptive age' to wear a condom or to have sex only with a woman he is prepared to have children with. He also has the 'power' to have the snip if he so chooses. After the woman is pregnant is a bit late to be hollering about HER not taking care of business.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 23:23 |
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mansamusa wrote: If his partner had got pregnant would he have wanted that child? I bet he would have. So why should one child have to die because they would highlight the wrongdoings of their father?? And a woman should get a 'beatdown' for this??? He should have been as adamant when he was 'up in there, up in there' bareback.
A real man would have known that they bought that situation to themselves and fessed up, and handled his sh*t, hoping to still salvage his relationship.
Its always going to be a problem when a man wants p***y and a women wants a baby. The two positions are destined to clash. If the women cant differentiate or wants to talk bullsh*t about its my body and Im having this child against his wishes/ when she damn well should of known that in the first place/ she should expect the worst.
NO women got to stop playing games and taking this pregnancy thing lightly that they will allow themselves to get into such a predicament. Beacause if she dont want to get pregnant there is nothing on Gods earth a man can do about it short of rape her.
There are a set of man that will look at the situation rationally/ know it cant work and act accordingly. Possibly violently. Then there are those who will not response and just f**k you off. Then there are the fool fool brothers who will fawn and be held dictate to by entrapment. A man cannot trap a women into having a child. If she absolutley will not entertain the notion it aint going to happen. Thses brothers will probably end up knocking out the women two years down the line because of foolish games..i.e get the guy involved in a child he didnt want/ and then play off the child as some power game when she wants further attention.
God almighty someone should lock up these type of women. They are full of f**keree.
As I said its will always be a problem when one man wants p***y and the women wants a baby. Any women who doesnt realise this will be getting kicked in her stomach at the worst /or at the other end of the scale getting f**ked off and having no father in their childs life..
This Mary Poppins attitude that "we can work it out" serioulsy deludes many women. If he dont want a child in the first place he dont want to work it out. He just wanted to stroke your p***y. Sorry to be so crude but its like polite english doesnt get through.
You dont have to tell me this, i know there are deluded women that pull stupid stunts, but a man can still get the p***y with a CONDOM on, why has he got to go bareback and be so suprised when a baby is coming.
Unless she is your proper girl and you are not totally against her getting pregnant, you should not be hearing no i am on the pill talk!!
Long story short is WRAP IT UP!!!
And another thing, do you lot think women alone do this. Do you know how many times i have heard of a woman insisting a man wears a condom and then half way through he will take it off unknowing to her. Ejaculate inside and then not want to deal with the outcome. This is no lie.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 23:32 |
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CashMoney wrote: @ iyallah
I believe the attitude of the woman is an issue, but not the only issue
From what I've gathered from fredblacks story, The woman was almost like. 'Ha ha I got ya'. I'm having your baby and nothing you can do about it. 'Shenanigans of the highest order'. I dont know fredblack or his family but from his postings alone I know that his fam wont stand to be challenged like that, especially not by white 'black woman'. Maybe if it was a genuine mistake the situation might have turned out differently. who knows? Hindsight is a wonderful thing
However, if you got a borderline bunny boiler up in your mug you better take real protection. Double condoms, male pill, everything cos it doesnt take an einstein to realise that was probs her greater goal.
The bit i have highlighted is my main point. How could he be suprised. This is like when we talk about women that meet a man that has no commitment, gets pregnant, he runs off and she is left moaning whe it was clear from the getgo. In that situation we would say she should have observed better and made a more accurate decision, but in FB's brothers case he seems to be blame free.
What that woman did was inevitable for her kind. Runninghim down, knowing he is with someone, i'm on the pill, etc. Any man who falls for that is a fool.
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Posted: Sunday June 19th, 2005 23:51 |
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Fredblack wrote: @Ayalllah (ps i have been on here too long FB, it is Iyallah)
I belive most of these women who I know and have had this discussion with have no basic principles whatsoever. A bit like Layrn Hill of the Fugees f**king two men simulatenously and one is married big time and want to invent her own moral ethical code.
Kinda like your brother FB???
When they say they are againgst abortion they are hypocrties of the highest order because all they have is SITUATIONAL ETHICS which they make up as they go along. You can f**k your sisters man or best friend man and all shades in between and engage in things with are morally repugnant and then claim to have moral ethics for five minutes and concerning one thing a child and as soon as the child is born ethics disappear again.
Yet again, like your brother. He can have his woman and his seedy little unprotected fling, yet when she gets pregnant you're going to say in your family women dont enter through the back door etc......and quote all the families moralistic views. He only wanted her to have an abortion to save face. (Even though i dont agree with her part to play either)
This issue vexes me to the max becaus the amount of damage I have seen from unetjhical women and the consequences is unbelivable. There is a school near me with 14,00 black boys almost all single parents and it is a human dump. Those childrern are destined for doom. Do you know how many of these women emotional dump their kids once they are no longer fun bundles and can't wait to force them to grow up before their time etc etc.. Of course men should protect themselves, because most of these women are NASTY and only god knows what you could catch from them. A WOMAN WHO DOES NOT PROECT HERSELF IS A NASTY WOMAN. I mean Lauryn Hill was f**king two men simultaneously Makes me want to wash just thinking about it. So she could have infected either one of them. BUT SHE HAS A THING FOR CARIBBEAN MEN WHICH I UNDERSTAND BUT SHE IS NASTY AND SLACK.
Well i dont really know Lauryn personally or her business to such detail, so i cant comment. But i think anyone sleeping with two people at the same time and not protecting themself is ignorant, a fool and putting others at risk....like your brother and many more like him!!!! Who you dont seem to be mentioning in your finger pointing paragraphs.
But to see people playing with human life is disgusting. At least we have some romantic notions from our cultutre that is only one person TRULY AND REALLY LOVES US IT IS OUR MUMS..I really question whether these woman actually know what it is to love anything.
Who knows?? Many of these women are scheming but it all depends what they are scheming for. If they just want a child then they may be very loving but just make stupid decisions. If they were hoping to get pregnant to keep the man and it did not happen then that is when they may resent having the child.
What is your view if the woman wasnt scheming but got pregnant??
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