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Posted: Thursday March 3rd, 2005 23:53 |
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Think! wrote: A majority of black Americans can pass for West Africans.
Oprah, Kci & Jo-jo, Samuel L Jackson, Angie Stone, Fantasia, Biggie, Chris Tucker, Star Jones, Latavia (ex destiny's child) Kelly Rowland ( take away the horse hair and the overdone make-up) 50 cent, Puffy, Martin, Kelle (ANTM), Sharon(The lady who played the mother in Ray)Venus and Serena, Flavour Flav...the list goes on. To the person who said that Black Americans are mixed with white and Indian keep on fooling yourself.
Think, with all due respect, some of the people you chose can pass for West Africans but I'm frome West Africa and I don't think that most people on the list like Oprah, Samuel L Jackson, Biggie, Chris Tucker, Star Jones, Kelly Rowland, or Puffy can pass for West Africans. You see it is more than just having a darker skin colour, it is also about features. West African women for instance have two kinds of face shapes. Some have heart-shaped faces like Agbani Darego, pictured here:
While the remaining have round faces. West Africans also tend to have slanted or almond shaped eyes like Agbani's and their cheekbones are also typically higher than most black Americans.
Now here is why people like Kelly Rowland would not pass for West Africans:
First of all, Kelly Rowland does not have the typical face shape of a West African. Although she is very beautiful, Kelly has a narrow face not typically found in West Africa. Her nose is also much straighter than the typical West African who usually have small flat noses.
Here see how Kelly's face shape is very different from Oluchi who looks typically West African.
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Kelly Rowland
Someone like Oprah is also like Kelly in the sense that her face is narrower and her nose is straighter than the average West African.
In the case of the men, West African men typically have squared jaws, flat noses and again almond shaped eyes. Apart from 50 cent, who I agree looks West African, the only black American male celebrity who resemble your average West African man is Taye Diggs.
This man, Andrew Masuba looks typically West African. See how is face is almost like a square and he has those big cheeks, typical West African right there.
 Taye Diggs could blend right in with most West Africans.
Someone like Puffy for instance does not resemble your typical West African man because his face is longer and narrower than most West African men.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 06:56 |
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So by your reckoning tribes these people below who are all typical of Hausas' and Fulanis' are not typical of West Africans? By the way I am a Nigeria from the Delta region where there are a cluster of tribes all with varying features. The black Americns that I mentioned above From Kelly Rowland to Oprah (make-up free) wouldn't look out of place there.
 She looks like an older version of Kelly Rowland
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 07:04 |
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child of darkness wrote: Think... you don't have to believe that most black Americans are partially white and native american. If you look into it online though, you will see it said again and again (even under that wikipedia site). Not all, but most. My family, I personally know that is the case. And why would it be something you can't believe? With the One-drop Idealogy, many mixed blacks married back into the black community because they were seen as blacks. And then again, some kept diluting the black to make their kids white. Americans who have long enough histories in this country are mutts whether they know it or not (all it takes is a few individuals who pass). I know for a fact that one of my maternal great-great grandmother was 100% Native american (and that alone would put me at 1/16th N.A....) and one of my maternal great-great grandfather was white... we are now up to 1/8th not black.... and that is taking into account ONLY my mother's side and ONLY looking at 2 people. But instead of doing complicated mathematics which boil down to nothing, I prefer to stick with being black because that is who I am comfortable being (as most of Black America is). If asked what I am, I reply black (and nothing more). The reason looks vary so much in the Black American community is because the genes are a mixed bag. That is why 2 dark or medium complexioned people can make light skinned hazel eyed babies... and even the opposite happens sometime. As to whether we can pass for West African, some of us can... I'd always been under the impression that the vast majority of the diasporans in the Americas originally came from there. Nobody is trying to deny African roots, black Americans are still just learning more about themselves.
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Miscegenation took place big time on the African continent too big time. Especially in my part of Nigeria near the oil ports of Warri and Port harcourt where has always been a lot of international business. What I don't understand is why Black Americans always seem to make an issue of it more than anything. As I said there are a lot of Black Americans who could pass for West Africans whatever the shade they are.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 07:32 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Well first of all, Think proved a piont I've been trying to make for quite a while now! Most West Africans do NOT "come in all these skin colors" and are most aren't HALF as DIVERSE looking as most of them are trying to have us believe!
I remember being in Los Angeles last year and I had to take the bus. I came across a whole bunch of people who all had looks and features similar to Flava-Flav. To me they looked similar to some West Africans you would find in the North of Nigeria and in places like Mali etc. Earliar on this year I was also in Harlem and I decided to get my hair braided by some senegalese woman. All of these woman were extremely yellow and had huge hips like Beyonce.
Here are pics of Some varying West Africans. Tell me if they look like same people.
 Chinwe Obianu..Attorney at Law
Some famous faces
 30 Ifeanyi Ohalete Chicago redskins
 14 UDEZE Ifeanyi Football player
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 09:58 |
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i think its the dress, if u look carefully its ruffled and bunched up. if u watched the oscars, she had on a tight dress at some point and her stomach was flat.
i'm sure us ladies at some point get held that way, my partner has a habit of doing that, it doesnt mean one is with child. does it? he he he, Jay Z was just pressing himself against the booty, men like to do dat a lot.
i think they both look great together, beautiful couple.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 11:04 |
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Blackthought wrote: It don't look it
However it does look like Jay-z can't wait to get her to start trying for one
If you know what I mean
I used to think why the hell is Beyonce dating Jay, but nowadays I think they make a great couple. JAY-z IS THE MAN
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 15:19 |
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Think,
Again Nigeria is a country! Showing me pictures of anybody living in Nigeria will NOT proved West African varation. I have a Afro-American teacher that married a Nigerian man and moved to Nigeria for 14 years! I'm sure MANY people in other parts of Africa have also MOVED to Nigeria!
I noticed Ayrek tried to skew the obvious facts a couple days ago!Accordering to her Slave traders only got 'dark skinnned" Africans . Now how BELIEVABLE does that sound? You got a couple hundered Portugese slave trappers and about a million Africans, and they have the lexury of "picking dark skinned ones out"?????Unless West Africans are really docile (which I do NOT believe), who in the world would someone let another human being simply walk off with their lives based on the fact that they are dark skinned? As obviously GREEDY and morally corrupt these Portugese were, they would have obviously ran off with anything and sold it to slavery- light dark and any other African they could get their hands on!----So honestly I don't believe this theory of natually light skinned African not begin taken during slavery because they wanted "dark skinned African". I don't believe there were light skinned Africans for them to take!!!
I believe the "light skinned" folks you are pionting to as West African diversity are children like Thandie Newton. White man or Woman comes to West African marries a West African/Nigerian and has kids. The children consider themelves Mixed Raced or Nigerian/English, and you're showing me pictures and implying that they are average/everyday West Africans which they aren't!
I saw a study not long ago on the internet, but I forgot where! And it basically said skin variation in Nigeria was about the same as White American skin differences in America- there are some, but they are minimum/small. I assume, for example, like on that picture above!
(And I am also aware that there was "mixing" in Africa! I've been trying to tell the fools on the "Who is African" thread this a long time now! Arab/Black African mixing has occured for a while now! Yet everyone is SCARED to tell an Arab he is an African like they demand a Afro-American to do). I've also heard that some kind of Asians once mixed into West African society. I forgot the name, honestly!
So lastly what I am saying (once again) is if Oprah could pass as "West African" then its safe to say most West Africans LOOK LIKE Oprah. So the pictures you are showing me of Mixed raced people are NOT (by far) anywhere close to the average Nigerian.
Its very hard for a very diverse people to have a "look". How can you if many members of this "group" are so diverse even within themselves!!!?
You're going back and forth, Think! You want to say Afro-Americans still look West African and yet you want to say West Africans are divese looking people who often don't even look like one another!..............but that's impossible to do both!!
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 15:32 |
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I'm sorry, but Kelly definitely had a NOSE JOB.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 15:35 |
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I don't think so!
I've noticed most celebrity makeup artist love to draw a line (a little lighter than the person's actual complextion) to make the person's face look center and their nose appear longer!
I think this is the case with Kelly!
I do however, think Beyonce had a tummy tuck!
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 16:00 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: I don't think so!
I've noticed most celebrity makeup artist love to draw a line (a little lighter than the person's actual complextion) to make the person's face look center and their nose appear longer!
I think this is the case with Kelly!
I do however, think Beyonce had a tummy tuck!
I remember a few years ago. Her nose was actually pretty wide, and her teeth were f***Ked up. She looks a lot better nowadays.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 17:09 |
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Think! wrote: @Aryek
So by your reckoning tribes these people below who are all typical of Hausas' and Fulanis' are not typical of West Africans? By the way I am a Nigeria from the Delta region where there are a cluster of tribes all with varying features. The black Americns that I mentioned above From Kelly Rowland to Oprah (make-up free) wouldn't look out of place there.
I uderstand what you mean by saying that there are varying features in West Africa. However, I am just talking about the people who make up the majority of West Africans. Yes the Fulani and the Hausas are West Africans, but they are not the majority and their look is not typical of the region. People like Yaya of America's Next Top model, Agbani Darego and Oluchi Onweagba are more typical of the region. These faces are what comes to mind when I think of West Africans. If someone was to ask you to show them one picture of what a West African female looks like would you show them a picture of Yaya or the picture of an equally attractive Fulani woman?
She looks like an older version of Kelly Rowland
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 17:38 |
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Why are you arguin over someones features? Y do people care so much about where people are coming from, instead of trying to seperate the "Black Race" why don't you try and unite it, black people come in all shades, which is true, Cuz I know a lot of Nigerians dat are dark and light skinned( smarty pants, Y u sooo against African people being light skinned? wha? can't a African be as 'Pretty' as what you claim? LIGHT SKINNED A PRETTY, ITS A COMPLEXION), jamaicans dat are dark and light skinned, We all must of been together at 1 point. Smarty Pants stop thinkin people want to claim afro-american race!!! I do not want to claim I am Afro American? I do not live in America, yeah my hair is afro, But my decendants are african, GET A DNA TEST IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU COMING FROM
I'm 15 can someone explain Y I gota feel its better to be light skinned in my race? Beyonce, regardless of how she want to look like that don't change her personality, shouldn't Micheal Jackson be concidered black becuz of teh plastic sugery??
This is just stupid, Y is every1 so iinsecure of bein "too african" (dark skin, wide noses, n whateva?) lol so what? European people have the opposite problems,we the same!, Those who think by lookn more 'white' is better e.g. by being mixed no0o0o0o, Come on now, are features dont represent who we r , or where we comin' from, Its our minds. I love black people, from the 1z who are dying in Africa to the 1z up in mansions in LA, If you wanna be ashamed, and think of your self higher than anotehr becuz of your complexion, You myte as well claim the KKK.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 17:40 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Think,
Again Nigeria is a country! Showing me pictures of anybody living in Nigeria will NOT proved West African varation. I have a Afro-American teacher that married a Nigerian man and moved to Nigeria for 14 years! I'm sure MANY people in other parts of Africa have also MOVED to Nigeria!
I noticed Ayrek tried to skew the obvious facts a couple days ago!Accordering to her Slave traders only got 'dark skinnned" Africans. Now how BELIEVABLE does that sound? You got a couple hundered Portugese slave trappers and about a million Africans, and they have the lexury of "picking dark skinned ones out"?????Unless West Africans are really docile (which I do NOT believe), who in the world would someone let another human being simply walk off with their lives based on the fact that they are dark skinned? As obviously GREEDY and morally corrupt these Portugese were, they would have obviously ran off with anything and sold it to slavery- light dark and any other African they could get their hands on!----So honestly I don't believe this theory of natually light skinned African not begin taken during slavery because they wanted "dark skinned African". I don't believe there were light skinned Africans for them to take!!!
First of all, I never tried to skew any facts, I was only telling the truth. If it hasn't occurred to you, many African leaders were involved in the slave trade when it started with the Portugese and did in fact aid them in finding people to enslave. As much as we Africans would like to blame all of slavery on the white people, we have to admit that we were involved in it as well. The Portugese did not walk into Africa and just start picking who ever they like, they had help from African kings. Many Africans even went to war with each other just so they could have prisoners to sell to the Portugese. When I tell you that people with specific features were selected for, I am not lying. Do your reading on the slave trade and stop going by any assumption you like. If you had any idea about African history, you'd know that when the Portugese first came to Africa, they came there to do business with Africans not to enslave them. Many Africans even invited them onto their shores so that they could learn from them. African kings sent their delegates to Portugal to teach them their culture and to learn their ways in return. This is how things were for many years, until the New World, America, was discovered. With the discover of America, the Portugese and other Europeans began looking for free labour to help them develop the land. They first started by enslaving the Native Americans but this didn't work as they ended up dying from the pressure of working in the fields. When this didn't work out, these Europeans started taking other Europeans, mostly prisoners, as slaves, but again this also didn't work as they would usually escape and blend in with the other settlers. It was only after this, that the Portugese turned to Africa and asked their kings for slaves. Because Africans had been involved in the practice of trading slaves with the Arabs and were also using other Africans as slaves for themselves, they saw no problem with this and jumped at the chance to make more money and build their empires. This is when this whole mess started. And it started with them being selective about who to enslave because the Portugese after going through all those problems with the Natives, wanted the best people they could get. They measured this by height, skin colour, muscle and the like. Only after many years of this happening did Africans see what the slave trade was doing to them and their economy. When they realized this, many of them, like Benin, backed out but at this time it was too late. The fighting that had gone amongst them and the people that they had lost to slavery all helped to weaken their powers and made them vulnerable to the Europeans who then rushed in to colonize them and take whoever they could by force.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 18:04 |
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Here a few profiles of West African women looking for husbands. Note how they come in different shades even though they all they all say that they are Black and African. Since mixed folks are called coloureds in Africa, these women would label themselves as coloureds if they were mixed.
Member Overview:
I am a Nigerian,5ft,8 ,55kg,young,dark and beautiful.
I have got nice legs and I am gifted.Nice smile and sexy.
Seeking:
I am looking for a real man, honest,caring,kind,generous ,
God fearing,intelligent and hard working.
I don't want the unserious type.
I am not here to play games with anyone.
Willing to Relocate:
Yes
Appearance:
Very attractive
Height:
173 cm (5 ft 8 in)
Weight:
55 Kg (121 lb)
Hair Colour:
Black
Eye Colour:
Brown
Ethnicity:
African (Black)
Religion:
Christian - Protestant
Star Sign:
Aries
Born in Year of the:
Don't know
Education:
Bachelors degree
Occupation:
student
Languages spoken:
English
English Ability:
Very Good
Smoker:
No
Drinks:
Occasionally drink
Looking for:
Marriage
Gender Sought:
Male
Last visit:
04-Mar-05
Here are a few links to other people on the site
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=54460
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=48593
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=55401
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=11491
There're also people with greenish tinted skin in West Africa by the way. Also certain tribes in Nigeria have green eyes and no, they are dark skinned and not mixed with Europeans. If you've never been to West Africa then don't make assumptions.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 18:27 |
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And if you didn't know Yaya from American Next Top Model is West African, both parents are Nigerian but her skin colour is very different from another Nigerian, Agbani Darego. How would you explain that? Both of them are not mixed and are from ethnic groups that are indigenous to the country.
Agbani Darego
 Yaya
All skin colour is, is different degrees of melanin, those who have more have darker skin, those who have less, have lighter skin. Different parts of West Africa are a little cool while other parts are very hot this is what gives rise to different shades of brown. You will not find any unmixed West Africans with Mariah Carey's skin colour, but you will find that they also come in different shades of brown. Some are darker, others are lighter. That is all there is to it, so deal with it and stop calling people lairs when they are only telling you what they have seen.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 18:48 |
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YoungOne wrote: Why are you arguin over someones features? Y do people care so much about where people are coming from, instead of trying to seperate the "Black Race" why don't you try and unite it, black people come in all shades, which is true, Cuz I know a lot of Nigerians dat are dark and light skinned( smarty pants, Y u sooo against African people being light skinned? wha? can't a African be as 'Pretty' as what you claim? LIGHT SKINNED A PRETTY, ITS A COMPLEXION), jamaicans dat are dark and light skinned, We all must of been together at 1 point. Smarty Pants stop thinkin people want to claim afro-american race!!! I do not want to claim I am Afro American? I do not live in America, yeah my hair is afro, But my decendants are african, GET A DNA TEST IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU COMING FROM
This is perscisely the feeling Smartypants gives me. She seems so hung on black Americans that it's just bordering on insanity. I think she feels like she is better than Africans because she can claim people like Beyonce as being part of her Afro-American "race", but does not want to come out and say it, so she'd rather beat around the bush and complain about Africans not having light skin.
Smartypants, your superiority complex would actually work if Africans felt that you were superior to them. But seeing as how that is not the case, you need to get over yourself and stop pissing people of. We are here to discuss why the women of your proud "race" are dying their hair a colour that does not naturally occur in the Afro-American "race". So please offer an explanation as to why such superior people would waste precious time and money in salons trying to copy somebody else's look.
Someone like Beyonce may be the penacle of black beauty to you, but to me and many Africans, she can't even compare to the likes of Yaya and Agbani Darego, so please stop trying to shove your white centric ideal of beauty down our throats.
I'm 15 can someone explain Y I gota feel its better to be light skinned in my race? Beyonce, regardless of how she want to look like that don't change her personality, shouldn't Micheal Jackson be concidered black becuz of teh plastic sugery??
This is just stupid, Y is every1 so iinsecure of bein "too african" (dark skin, wide noses, n whateva?) lol so what? European people have the opposite problems,we the same!, Those who think by lookn more 'white' is better e.g. by being mixed no0o0o0o, Come on now, are features dont represent who we r , or where we comin' from, Its our minds. I love black people, from the 1z who are dying in Africa to the 1z up in mansions in LA, If you wanna be ashamed, and think of your self higher than anotehr becuz of your complexion, You myte as well claim the KKK.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 20:08 |
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There is no difference between Black Americans and West Africans. Just like black Americans are diverse as a result of miscegenation so are West Africans, just like Brazilians, Jamaicans and any of black nation. I am a west African woman from the urhobo tribe, both my parents are black Africans but I am described as 'yellow'..I have a sister who is nicknamed 'yellow' an uncle named Omoyibo which means childof the white man in urhobo language because he is redskin and my paternal grandmother was also a very fair skinned woman. My family is very diverse in that we have a mixture of complexions dark to light.In Nigeria my family doesn't stand out because there are many families who are the same. So hence my belief that Beyonce without all the add-ons (blonde weave and overdone make-up) ould pass for a west African
And as I said before anyone who claims to be a Nigerian has an idigenous link to the country. the people are posted above do not all have white parents. Here is my somewhat blurred pic attached and I have two full black parents.
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 21:39 |
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Aryek wrote: @smartypants
And if you didn't know Yaya from American Next Top Model is West African, both parents are Nigerian but her skin colour is very different from another Nigerian, Agbani Darego. How would you explain that? Both of them are not mixed and are from ethnic groups that are indigenous to the country.
Agbani Darego
Yaya
All skin colour is, is different degrees of melanin, those who have more have darker skin, those who have less, have lighter skin. Different parts of West Africa are a little cool while other parts are very hot this is what gives rise to different shades of brown. You will not find any unmixed West Africans with Mariah Carey's skin colour, but you will find that they also come in different shades of brown. Some are darker, others are lighter. That is all there is to it, so deal with it and stop calling people lairs when they are only telling you what they have seen.
HOW IN THE HELL ARE THESE TWO WOMEN'S SKIN COLORS SO DIFFERENT???
pLEASE explain this.....
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 21:50 |
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Aryek wrote: @smartypants
Here a few profiles of West African women looking for husbands. Note how they come in different shades even though they all they all say that they are Black and African. Since mixed folks are called coloureds in Africa, these women would label themselves as coloureds if they were mixed.
Member Overview:
I am a Nigerian,5ft,8 ,55kg,young,dark and beautiful.
I have got nice legs and I am gifted.Nice smile and sexy.
Seeking:
I am looking for a real man, honest,caring,kind,generous ,
God fearing,intelligent and hard working.
I don't want the unserious type.
I am not here to play games with anyone.
Willing to Relocate:
Yes
Appearance:
Very attractive
Height:
173 cm (5 ft 8 in)
Weight:
55 Kg (121 lb)
Hair Colour:
Black
Eye Colour:
Brown
Ethnicity:
African (Black)
Religion:
Christian - Protestant
Star Sign:
Aries
Born in Year of the:
Don't know
Education:
Bachelors degree
Occupation:
student
Languages spoken:
English
English Ability:
Very Good
Smoker:
No
Drinks:
Occasionally drink
Looking for:
Marriage
Gender Sought:
Male
Last visit:
04-Mar-05
Here are a few links to other people on the site
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=54460
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=48593
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=55401
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=11491
There're also people with greenish tinted skin in West Africa by the way. Also certain tribes in Nigeria have green eyes and no, they are dark skinned and not mixed with Europeans. If you've never been to West Africa then don't make assumptions.
LOL.
I also found this woman's profile in the African ladies section!
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=51905
Which goes back to what I was saying to Think! A nationality can be of any race, just like this woman above who LIVES IN GHANA! However she is not a Black African or part of the "diversity of West Africans".
All the "real" African women I saw on the page were all about the same skin color!
Lastly, I know the South African mixed raced community calls themselves "Colored". I have no idea what Nigerian mixed raced people would call themselves as! I thought I read somewhere they were refered to as half-caste but someone corrected me on the board and said this was rude!
So I have a feeling they'd just say I'm mixed with Nigerian/English for example! And refer to their Nationality as Nigerian if they LIVED IN Nigeria!
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 22:06 |
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Aryek wrote: YoungOne wrote: Why are you arguin over someones features? Y do people care so much about where people are coming from, instead of trying to seperate the "Black Race" why don't you try and unite it, black people come in all shades, which is true, Cuz I know a lot of Nigerians dat are dark and light skinned( smarty pants, Y u sooo against African people being light skinned? wha? can't a African be as 'Pretty' as what you claim? LIGHT SKINNED A PRETTY, ITS A COMPLEXION), jamaicans dat are dark and light skinned, We all must of been together at 1 point. Smarty Pants stop thinkin people want to claim afro-american race!!! I do not want to claim I am Afro American? I do not live in America, yeah my hair is afro, But my decendants are african, GET A DNA TEST IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU COMING FROM
This is perscisely the feeling Smartypants gives me. She seems so hung on black Americans that it's just bordering on insanity. I think she feels like she is better than Africans because she can claim people like Beyonce as being part of her Afro-American "race", but does not want to come out and say it, so she'd rather beat around the bush and complain about Africans not having light skin.
Smartypants, your superiority complex would actually work if Africans felt that you were superior to them. But seeing as how that is not the case, you need to get over yourself and stop pissing people of. We are here to discuss why the women of your proud "race" are dying their hair a colour that does not naturally occur in the Afro-American "race". So please offer an explanation as to why such superior people would waste precious time and money in salons trying to copy somebody else's look.
Someone like Beyonce may be the penacle of black beauty to you, but to me and many Africans, she can't even compare to the likes of Yaya and Agbani Darego, so please stop trying to shove your white centric ideal of beauty down our throats.
I'm 15 can someone explain Y I gota feel its better to be light skinned in my race? Beyonce, regardless of how she want to look like that don't change her personality, shouldn't Micheal Jackson be concidered black becuz of teh plastic sugery??
This is just stupid, Y is every1 so iinsecure of bein "too african" (dark skin, wide noses, n whateva?) lol so what? European people have the opposite problems,we the same!, Those who think by lookn more 'white' is better e.g. by being mixed no0o0o0o, Come on now, are features dont represent who we r , or where we comin' from, Its our minds. I love black people, from the 1z who are dying in Africa to the 1z up in mansions in LA, If you wanna be ashamed, and think of your self higher than anotehr becuz of your complexion, You myte as well claim the KKK.
First of all, I never claimed to be SUPERIOR to anybody! Neither did I ever claim or even hint than Afro-Americans were superior to anybody!
Secondly, I have no idea why you keep speaking of "race". I have said one zillion times on this board that I don't believe in "race". So how in the world can I believe in a superior"Afro-American race"
Thirdly, it is you and your West African brothers that keep hinting at claiming Afro-Americans. Are not most of these boards about people of Afro-American hertiage??? Aren't many of these boards calling Afro-Americans "Africans"???? Isn't the last part of this thread about Africans looking like Afro-Americans????
And you think I'M the one Afro-American crazed! ?
Yeah right!!!
Lastly, Afro-American women can dye their hair whatever color this wish! It was the African & probably Carribean women on the board COMPLAINING that Beyonce's hair color was "too blond" and she looked "too White" for them!!! One has only to ask "why should you care", espcially if Beyonce never claimed to BE or be representing Carribean nor African girls!
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=54704
Here's one of the PROUD African ladies here!!
lol. The first day I came to the board I noticed all theses crazy boards about "do light skin blacks get treated better than dark skinned blacks" and "Beyonce's hair is too blond" and "why are the women on tv so light skinned"
Yet, everybody's family comes in "all these skin colors" and everybodies aunts, uncles and cousins are "light skinned"!!!! But yet, they are DISTURBED about the amount of "light skinned women on tv" (who are Afro-American by the way).
Honestly, I wished you all knew how contradictory you sounded!
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Posted: Friday March 4th, 2005 22:24 |
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Think! wrote: @Smartypants
There is no difference between Black Americans and West Africans. Just like black Americans are diverse as a result of miscegenation so are West Africans, just like Brazilians, Jamaicans and any of black nation. I am a west African woman from the urhobo tribe, both my parents are black Africans but I am described as 'yellow'..I have a sister who is nicknamed 'yellow' an uncle named Omoyibo which means childof the white man in urhobo language because he is redskin and my paternal grandmother was also a very fair skinned woman. My family is very diverse in that we have a mixture of complexions dark to light.In Nigeria my family doesn't stand out because there are many families who are the same. So hence my belief that Beyonce without all the add-ons (blonde weave and overdone make-up) ould pass for a west African
And as I said before anyone who claims to be a Nigerian has an idigenous link to the country. the people are posted above do not all have white parents. Here is my somewhat blurred pic attached and I have two full black parents.
Think I would have been SHOCKED if you DIDN'T have 2 full Black African parents!!
You know honestly this subject is getting old now! I find myself repeating everything I said earlier.............
Why don't we agree to disagree shall we??? This seems to be more of a matter of opinion than fact!!!
I personally do not find you "yellow" in any way! In America, an Afro-American might call someone that looks like Tisha Campbell for example "high yella" or "red" or "light skinned" but not someone of your complexion. You appear a brown to me..........
As far as Beyonce looking West African as you say in this post.......I find that even stranger yet!!! In the town where I go to school there are quite a few African immigrants. I have NEVER seen one that looked like Beyonce!! Never!!! 8/10 times I can tell an African when I see one! So I find your observation quite strange. I can tell them 80% of the time from another Afro-American and you say Beyonce can go to West African and fit right in............
Anyway, one day I hope to take a trip to Nigeria or some part of West Africa and see some of this "diversity". From the reading on West Africa I've did on the internet and the people I've seen, from talking to you, it doesn't do yall justice.............
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 01:43 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Aryek wrote: @smartypants
Here a few profiles of West African women looking for husbands. Note how they come in different shades even though they all they all say that they are Black and African. Since mixed folks are called coloureds in Africa, these women would label themselves as coloureds if the
LOL.
I also found this woman's profile in the African ladies section!
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=51905
If you read carefully you would see that the woman stated both her country of residence and her nationality as Ghanian. When asked her ethnicity, she also stated African (black), so please tell where this woman says that she is not black African? Because I looked at her profile and that is what I say under ethnicity.
Which goes back to what I was saying to Think! A nationality can be of any race, just like this woman above who LIVES IN GHANA! However she is not a Black African or part of the "diversity of West Africans".
All the "real" African women I saw on the page were all about the same skin color!
Lastly, I know the South African mixed raced community calls themselves "Colored". I have no idea what Nigerian mixed raced people would call themselves as! I thought I read somewhere they were refered to as half-caste but someone corrected me on the board and said this was rude!
So I have a feeling they'd just say I'm mixed with Nigerian/English for example! And refer to their Nationality as Nigerian if they LIVED IN Nigeria!
If the woman you gave the link for identified herself as mixed race, then why do I see her calling herself African(black)?
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 01:47 |
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Smartypants, Here is the profile of the same woman you gave me. Please tell me where she identifies herself as something other than black African.
annie
 
Member Overview:
i am lovely and i have all the qualities of a lady and i will do all a man needs to make him happy.
Seeking:
a lovely,caring,and a genleman who have all the qualities of a good man.
Gender:
Female
Age:
29
Marital Status:
Single
Has Children:
No
Country of Residence:
Ghana
Lives in:
cape coast, west africa
Country of Nationality:
Ghana
Willing to Relocate:
Maybe
Appearance:
Very attractive
Height:
155 cm (5 ft 1 in)
Weight:
46 Kg (101 lb)
Hair Colour:
Brown
Eye Colour:
Black
Ethnicity: African (Black) Note how under ethnicity she states African (Black). Please tell me how this is an indication to you that she is not Black African? I'll be awaiting your reply. Even your own evidence shows how false your assumptions are.
English Ability:
Fluent
Smoker:
I don't smoke
Drinks:
I don't drink
Looking for:
Marriage
Gender Sought:
Male
Last visit:
04-Mar-05
WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN myforeignbride.com FOR FREE?
I'm already a member - logon Last edited on Saturday March 5th, 2005 01:50 by Aryek
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 02:16 |
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LOL.
Don't get your hopes up!
It says ETHNICITY: African ( black).
The stupidity of the site is to put "black" in parathesis after African!!
There are other "Africans" besides ones that call themselves "Black". They also share the continent with Arabs, Indians , colours and Whites!!!
Another example of this would be me going on a dating site and it had American (White). Yes, most Americans are Caucasians/Whites but NOT all!! I am just as American as any White! If this girl lives IN AFRICA then she IS African!! It does not matter her "race". Its obvious they don't provide much of a choice for any one...........
And honestly, I can't believe you have the NERVE to ask me why I KNOW she's NOT "black" African? Is this an early April fools joke?
LOL.
Besides, no one seeing all these light skinned West Africans (without Bleach) as you all claim.........................THINK herself practically admitted that West Africans look like Oprah, Flava Flave, Fanatasia, Biggie Smalls, Taye Diggs ect.
Have you forgotten what your OWN fellow West African said just TODAY!!!!
these are the pictures of the folks she claims "passes" as west Africans! None of which include the girl in the picture!
  
Now with these people "fitting right in" in West Africa do you think I'm STUPID ENOUGH to believe that girl is a "Black" West African!?
Let's be serious
Her ethnicity IS 'Ghananese" or African, just like mine is American! That part is understood!! She IS African.
I think the webmaster believes all "Africans" are "Black", hence putting Black in parthesis beside African. I've noticed this attitude before. People speaking of Northern Africa and Egypt (where Arabs live) as if it is NOT part of Continental Africa.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 02:32 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Aryek wrote: YoungOne wrote: Why are you arguin over someones features? Y do people care so much about where people are coming from, instead of trying to seperate the "Black Race" why don't you try and unite it, black people come in all shades, which is true, Cuz I know a lot of Nigerians dat are dark and light skinned( smarty pants, Y u sooo against African people being light skinned? wha? can't a African be as 'Pretty' as what you claim? LIGHT SKINNED A PRETTY, ITS A COMPLEXION), jamaicans dat are dark and light skinned, We all must of been together at 1 point. Smarty Pants stop thinkin people want to claim afro-american race!!! I do not want to claim I am Afro American? I do not live in America, yeah my hair is afro, But my decendants are african, GET A DNA TEST IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHERE YOU COMING FROM
This is perscisely the feeling Smartypants gives me. She seems so hung on black Americans that it's just bordering on insanity. I think she feels like she is better than Africans because she can claim people like Beyonce as being part of her Afro-American "race", but does not want to come out and say it, so she'd rather beat around the bush and complain about Africans not having light skin.
Smartypants, your superiority complex would actually work if Africans felt that you were superior to them. But seeing as how that is not the case, you need to get over yourself and stop pissing people of. We are here to discuss why the women of your proud "race" are dying their hair a colour that does not naturally occur in the Afro-American "race". So please offer an explanation as to why such superior people would waste precious time and money in salons trying to copy somebody else's look.
Someone like Beyonce may be the penacle of black beauty to you, but to me and many Africans, she can't even compare to the likes of Yaya and Agbani Darego, so please stop trying to shove your white centric ideal of beauty down our throats.
I'm 15 can someone explain Y I gota feel its better to be light skinned in my race? Beyonce, regardless of how she want to look like that don't change her personality, shouldn't Micheal Jackson be concidered black becuz of teh plastic sugery??
This is just stupid, Y is every1 so iinsecure of bein "too african" (dark skin, wide noses, n whateva?) lol so what? European people have the opposite problems,we the same!, Those who think by lookn more 'white' is better e.g. by being mixed no0o0o0o, Come on now, are features dont represent who we r , or where we comin' from, Its our minds. I love black people, from the 1z who are dying in Africa to the 1z up in mansions in LA, If you wanna be ashamed, and think of your self higher than anotehr becuz of your complexion, You myte as well claim the KKK.
First of all, I never claimed to be SUPERIOR to anybody! Neither did I ever claim or even hint than Afro-Americans were superior to anybody! I never said you claimed it, I said that is the feeling you give me, which is a completely different thing.
Secondly, I have no idea why you keep speaking of "race". If you didn't notice I was making fun of your obssession of black Americans and race and I wrote that. Don't be a dim wit.I have said one zillion times on this board that I don't believe in "race". So how in the world can I believe in a superior"Afro-American race"
Thirdly, it is you and your West African brothers that keep hinting at claiming Afro-Americans. Are not most of these boards about people of Afro-American hertiage??? Aren't many of these boards calling Afro-Americans "Africans"???? Isn't the last part of this thread about Africans looking like Afro-Americans???? Really? Who started this whole mess in the first place? As I recall it was you. Just look at the post in bold black writing write after the line. Geez, wonder who, no matter what the coverstation, has to start talking about Africans feeling insecure because of her beautiful Afro-Americans? Please tell me how you got from liongrafix talking about Beyonce not being the typical black woman to you saying African women are bleaching their skin because of Afro-Americans like Beyonce. Please explain, I would really like to know. And while you're at it, tell me how many African women you know who idolize Beyonce and wish that they could be her? You keep harping on about this but I have yet to meet any African woman who obssess over Beyonce but I see tons of Afro-American women, who look nothing like her, wishing that they could be like her.
Think wrote: liongrafix wrote: Beyonce is clearly very beautiful. It has to be said that her facial features aren't typical of a true black woman. You only have to cast your eyes to Africa to see that. It seems to me that their are elemets of white, asian or some non-black gene running through her system. Whether her hair is black or blonde she wouldn't look like a black woman anyway.
Beyonce is a fair-skinned African-American woman. She has a black woman's nose, lips and hips. What part of her is Asian? You people are just too much...SMH For your information there are a load of fair-skinned African woman on the continent who are even lighter than Beyonce.
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Because of Beyonce and Afro-Americans claiming to 'come in all colors' African women are BLEACHING THEIR SKIN!!! (how is that a positive)?
This is exactly why I advocate African & Carribean youths getting their own role models! Following American standards seems to be causing Havoc in other communities!
Watching African girls idolize Beyonce is like watching Afro-American girls idolize Mariah Carey. Yes Beyonce is of African descent & yes Mariah Carey is of Afro-American descent....................but the piont is most African girls DO NOT LOOK LIKE BEYONCE ANYMORE THAN MOST AA GIRLS LOOK LIKE MARIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would simply makeS more sense for Afro-American girls to find role models in their own community of women with their same ancestry/history than try to copy ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO OF AA DESCENT!! Same with African girls!! Africa is a HUGEEEEEEEEEE CONTINENT. Why can't African youth find an role models on it??? It is much better for African girls to find a role model in a woman who is from Nigeria and claims to be ethnicially Yoruba LIKE THEM, then trying to be a woman that claims to be BLACK/WHITE AND INDIAN!!!
This kind of stuff only leads to self esteem issues later..........
Since you have set up yourself to be an advocate on African people and their self-esteem, something no one asked you to do, please tell me what your credentials are. What exactly have you previously achieved in this arena that we should give you such a pretigious job? Have you solved the colourism problem in your own Afro-American community? Have you helped the 99% or so of black American women who chemically straighten their hair to be proud of their natural hair? Have you helped the black Americans who favour their light skinned children over the darker ones, to see the beauty in all their children and to stop mistreating the darker ones (just look at Oprah's biography)? Have you stopped the overwhelming amount of black American men from choosing fat white women over their own Afro-American women, or is there still a shortage of black men in the Afro-American community?
Don't come here and talk about Africans when you have worst problems than us. The last time I cheecked there wasn't any colourism in African communities. Lighter skinned Africans were not mistreating the darker ones. The majority of us have our natural hair and we aren't losing most of our men to fat white women.
It's funny how this self-esteem problem even plays out on National television. Just look at the third season of America's Next Top Model. Yaya, the only African girl had her natural hair, she had pride like you wouldn't believe and wore her African head wraps without a care in the world. Of the five Afro-American women on the show, two of them had bleached their hair lighter, Tyra and Eva. While the other one, Kelle, thought that she was a white girl. Go figure. It's no wonder Tyra complained soo much about Yaya being Afro-centric, she obviously couldn't hadle a black person actually being comfortable in her blackness. Don't complain about Africans when you have coconuts like Kelle to deal with.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 02:58 |
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Sweetheart,
I woouldn't trade being Afro-American for anything in the world! Especially NOT African.
lol.
You said Afro-American women "dye their hair light colors". lol. At least we have hair on our heads to begin with.
And so what if "our men leave us for White women". I'd rather it be a White woman than lose him to AIDS!
And lastly, I'd rather be a "dark Afro-American like Oprah" than a "starving" African child in the middle of some jungle.
But that's just MY OPINION!!
I'm sure you have different opinions..................
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:00 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: LOL.
Don't get your hopes up!
It says ETHNICITY: African ( black).
The stupidity of the site is to put "black" in parathesis after African!!
There are other "Africans" besides ones that call themselves "Black". They also share the continent with Arabs, Indians , colours and Whites!!!
Another example of this would be me going on a dating site and it had American (White). Yes, most Americans are Caucasians/Whites but NOT all!! I am just as American as any White! If this girl lives IN AFRICA then she IS African!! It does not matter her "race". Its obvious they don't provide much of a choice for any one...........
Note how you didn't answer my question. I asked you were in the woman's profile that she stated that she was something other than black African? If the girl was mixed race, she would have noted that she was African and then in brackets she would have written mixed or coloured but she didn't, now did she? And as for sharing the continent with Arabs, whites and what not, this site specifically said that is was for Ebony Ladies, so what would an Arab be doing putting their profile on that site? You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the mud. I'm done with you, continue your foolisness if you want but I have better things to do than to argue with someone who refuses to see the truth even when it is smacks her in the face.
Here is the site's home page. Note how the women are divided into Asian, Latin, Ebony, and Euro ladies. What would a white person be doing posting on the Ebony section?
http://www.myforeignbride.com/
And honestly, I can't believe you have the NERVE to ask me why I KNOW she's NOT "black" African? Is this an early April fools joke? And by what proof do you have to back up your claims. She calls herself black African, you say that she isn't, so who is more right, you or the woman herself?
LOL.
Besides, no one seeing all these light skinned West Africans (without Bleach) Sorry but the majority of West Africans do not bleach their skin like the majority of black Americans who straighten their hair. Plus bleached skin always looks saggy and is very obvious to anyone looking at the person. as you all claim.........................THINK herself practically admitted that West Africans look like Oprah, Flava Flave, Fanatasia, Biggie Smalls, Taye Diggs ect. And I told her that they didn't and showed her proof of it so where are you going with this? Think was talking about features when she mentioned these people, she wasn't talking about skin colour, so stop trying to twist her words. Features and skin colour are two completely different things so exactly what argument are you trying to make with this?
Have you forgotten what your OWN fellow West African said just TODAY!!!!
these are the pictures of the folks she claims "passes" as west Africans! None of which include the girl in the picture!
Now with these people "fitting right in" in West Africa do you think I'm STUPID ENOUGH to believe that girl is a "Black" West African!?
Let's be serious
Her ethnicity IS 'Ghananese" or African, just like mine is American! That part is understood!! She IS African. It's not Ghananese you moron, it's Ghanian.
I think the webmaster believes all "Africans" are "Black", hence putting Black in parthesis beside African. I've noticed this attitude before. People speaking of Northern Africa and Egypt (where Arabs live) as if it is NOT part of Continental Africa. No honey, these people are the ones who make up their profiles not the webmaster and no one ends to differentiate themselves from Arabs as the the site is set up for Ebony ladies not African ladies, there are no Arabs on that site, but there are Afro-Americans who specify that they are Afro-Americans when they state their ethnicity, so don't go claiming that the woman is Afro-American.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:09 |
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(Trying to be patient)
I've visited dating sites before!
Even RAY CHARLES (who's dead and blind) can see that African (Black) is placed together!! If a person checks African for their ETHNICITY "Black" is AUTOMATICALLY going to be the person's race!!!!
They do this at latin American sites as well!
If someone checks their ETHNICITY is Dominican "Hispanic" is going to be their automatic "race"!!! It does not matter what their ACTUAL "RACE" is!!
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:28 |
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@ iam_smartypants LOL.
I also found this woman's profile in the African ladies section!
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=51905
Which goes back to what I was saying to Think! A nationality can be of any race, just like this woman above who LIVES IN GHANA! However she is not a Black African or part of the "diversity of West Africans".
All the "real" African women I saw on the page were all about the same skin color!
This lady states her ethicity as African (Black) If she had said she was white, Asian or mixed with Ghanian nationality you would have a point. But it goes back to what I said West Africa is very different from the South of Africa where you can find white and Asian people clearly stating their race but who are still nationals of a country like South Africa or maybe Zimbabwe. You also can't assume that because someone is faired-skinned in West Africa they musy have an immediate white or Asian link because in most cases that is not the case. Most times it is a result of miscegenation.
For the record White, Asian and Arab people in Africa do not consider themselves to be African. African is a term reserved for the idigenous people of the African continent and their descendents. Now I notice that you call yourself an AFRO-American. Where do you think the word AFRO comes from? The hairstyle? LOL I would suggest that you do a thorough search on the word and how it came about. You might want to also find another word to hyphenate your American tag since you are so anti-African.
As I originally stated Bey would not look out of place in West Africa as there are many who are similar to her in looks who have come from two black parents.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:37 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: (Trying to be patient)
I've visited dating sites before!
Even RAY CHARLES (who's dead and blind) can see that African (Black) is placed together!! If a person checks African for their ETHNICITY "Black" is AUTOMATICALLY going to be the person's race!!!!
They do this at latin American sites as well!
If someone checks their ETHNICITY is Dominican "Hispanic" is going to be their automatic "race"!!! It does not matter what their ACTUAL "RACE" is!!
Really so this woman on the Russian-Euro site who checked Caucasian (white) is not really Caucasian or white right? Which means the same damn thing if you think about it.
http://www.myforeignbride.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=40982321&CFTOKEN=8469d1bd0e1b4088-9456A729-BCDF-2B20-DF9E3A64F4247A34&Source=Unknown&STerm=Unknown&ID=33006
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:45 |
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@I am smartypants
Yes maybe you should travel to West Africa to see for youself. You stated that West Africans are darkskinned and different from Black Americans. The whole point of me posting my pic was to give you an idea that there are many people who are even lighter than me in Nigeria and I am not darkskinned. When I am in America, Black Americans always assumed that I was a Black American. My point again..there are many people similar or even lighter than me such as the people I posted above that are in Nigeria. So just because you have come across a few in America it doesn't mean that everyone in West Africa looks like the ones you know.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 03:57 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Sweetheart,
I woouldn't trade being Afro-American for anything in the world! Especially NOT African. No, I'm sure you wouldn't as you are rather proud of the drive- bys, filty ghettos and 44% of death row in-mates that you have to deal with as Afro-American.
lol. And what is so funny about this picture. Some African's die of starvation, some Afro-Americans die of clogged arteries from the fatty foods they so love to consume but do you see me posting a picture of one of your fat tubs and laughing at them?
You said Afro-American women "dye their hair light colors". lol. At least we have hair on our heads to begin with. What you mean the hair that most of them lose by frying with chemicals? Oh I forgot, the good Lord has provided you with horse hair so now you can pretend that you have hair when you actually don't.
And so what if "our men leave us for White women". I'd rather it be a White woman than lose him to AIDS! Really, you must not know that Afro-American men have the highest rate of AIDS in America then. And with all your brothers on the Down Low it will only get worst, so I wouldn't be talking if I were you. Now not only are you losing your men to white women, you're also losing them to AIDS and other men. Go figure.
And lastly, I'd rather be a "dark Afro-American like Oprah" than a "starving" African child in the middle of some jungle. See now here is where you're ignorance shows. There is no jungle in Africa, never has been, never will be. Whites only invented that word because they were afraid of what are really forests in Africa. A jungle is very dense place with very similar vegetation throughout, a forest on the other hand is not dense throughout and has different forms of vegetation. Forests also have marshes, areas with very little or no vegetation, rivers and what not. This is what the so called jungles in Africa really are so learn something my ignorant one.
And as for that starving African child, I'm sure he still wouldn't want to be in some American ghetto with roaches. There are plenty of rich Africans that he can aspire to be and does not need to look up to any coconut Afro-American. Remeber that the next time you are in the South and see the KKK burning crosses on some Afro-American's ward.
But that's just MY OPINION!!
I'm sure you have different opinions..................
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 12:29 |
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That picture represents all Africans? I am from African decencent I ain't starving to death, I ain't got aids and I don't live on the streets. These stereotypes is what starts off racism, A black can be racist towards blacks, If you wanna claim Afro-American, Carribean, Jamaican and not African thats fine, I respect all forms of black people and their cult., what I don't respect is people dissin my desendants, Thats the stupidess thing, I'm so proud that I got black friends from other decendants that have respect for Africans, becuz they know where they come from, and what they rep is up to them. Y r u people thinkin that bein' African, aint a good thing.
Nigerians ain't all dark skinned? Y are you people trying to convince smartypants thats true, if you know then you know, she ain't been there, shes so determined to see that West Africans don't reach 'her level', she must be very desperate if shes going to go to Nigeria just to check that the people ther are not light skinned? ain't that sad? If they are, so what, I ain't goin to start celebrating. And West Africans don't all look liek Biggie Smalls, Oparah etc., Biggie was Jamaican? Don't that tell you something, this stereotyping has got to stop, None of you have been to West Africa, Jamaica...you think that pictures will tell you the factS? Go to the damn country/continent, you don't know the youths living ther, how dare you try judge them, You ain't seen none of my family to single them out and say ooo they'r west africans ther "Dark skinned, Wide noses and poor"? No..
I've heard of the Afro-Carribeans I didn't know bout Afro-Americans, my bad. I know for a fact West Africans have more concentrated blood than Africans who have lived in America for a while, whether you like it or not, your ancestres were once as dark as 'Nigerians' are said to be, whats the problem? No matter how far you go your still going to be seen as the 'typical african', smartypants just proved that, by that picture she showed, saying this reps. the west africans, does Micheal Jackson rep. Afro- Americans?? does he? Do they all want to have white skin and str8 noses, so they look as far from the black race as possible?? do they?
Y say African girls should idolise their own African females (africa based, I'm guessin she ment), to stop this bleaching buisness, n hair problems.This ain't a problem only with Africans, remember these people r continuously trying to be excepted, buy why? They are still going through this slave mindstate, their bussin their behinds just to get food, Y did Micheal Jackson, Janet Jackson, Jesse Jackson, the WHOLE jackson fam, have nose jobs? why did micheal bleach his skin, do you understand? not EVERY west african wants light skin, we ain't all poor, understand that please, cuz I don't stereotype Americans, I have a lot of respect for some of them, they have set good examples which we can see, becuz its the richest country, But y can't the west africans follow their west africans (in africa) ??  becuz African isn't the richest country, we aren't able to see people's potential there, they have to get out the country and show what they can do? ain't that what worldwide blacks have done, but do they reject the country becuz they no longer live ther, I like beyonce, shes a blk woman, styll a sista to me, regardless where she comin from, Don't speak for her, she knows where she comin from, ho cares where she from, West Africans need to stop trying to get America to except them, Ther ain't nutn wrng with you..Smarty Pants is just 1 ov few that has to stereotype us. Heres a Question for smarty pants, u keep mentionin Arab, are you r arab? Don't africans accept you, is that why you have a problem??
I'm just curious becuz I got a friend who is arab, and she has the same problem, but she know where she from.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 12:52 |
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| I just ask my mama bout the complexion of nigerians, n she said they are all different (she actually lived in the country), some look mixed, but they aint and they are naturally like that, some have longer hair , softer hair, straighter noses, yeah, so I guess you were wrong smarty pants, and you can't argue with someone whos actually been ther and comes from ther.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 13:21 |
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I am an african american male, and i am ashamed of the comments made by smartypants.
The things she said and the picture of the starving child brought a tear to my eye.
Please i ask that all of my african brothers and sisters, disregard her and not think that her atitude is held by most african americans.
My god what are her parents teaching her about herself.
How could she...dammit ...how could she.
This is the fight we are in, the fight to reclaim what taken from us by rape of the mind body and soul.
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Posted: Saturday March 5th, 2005 13:47 |
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I don't know any people from Mali...so how true is this article? Anyone from Mali?
The heavy cost of light skin
Malian women have been warned to avoid the skin lighteners
By Joan Baxter
The use of bleaching creams to lighten complexions seems to have reached epidemic proportions in Mali, despite widespread education campaigns.
Women who refuse to bleach often find themselves regarded as second class citizens.
A woman who did not bleach her skin said she is often not offered a chair at baptisms, and is asked to make herself scarce when group photographs are taken at marriages.
A quick survey shows there are more than 100 bleaching products available on the market in the capital, Bamako.
Sold under brand names such as Marie-Claire or Diana, the products come from Morocco, Nigeria, the United States or Saudi Arabia.
Pain
Dermatologists estimate that more than half the women in Mali are now using these creams to lighten their skin. These products are costly and often cause pain and blemishes.
So why are so many women in Mali using them? The answer is simple, according to one Malian woman singer: The creams make her white, and impart a certain charm.
But Malian physician Dr Ali Gindo finds bleached skin anything but charming.
"They are just burning themselves," he says. "It's painful and it's awful."
Dr Gindo says bleaching can cause skin cancer and the poorest people are the most at risk, because the cheaper the product, the more dangerous it is.
But he says it is not just poor women are bleaching their skin.
Role models
"We have also people who are well educated like lawyers, writers or professors, or people on the TV - and this is a real problem because if people who are leaders of opinion bleach themselves, you can imagine how deep the problem is."
Many of the women who use these products told me they do so because Malian men prefer women with bleached skin.
But male musician Al Hassan Soumali disagrees.
"I don't think Malian men like bleached women," he says. "It's better for Malian women to change their minds."
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Posted: Tuesday March 8th, 2005 23:51 |
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it dont look like it
its a guy thin, he jus wants to hold on to his girl
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 13:45 |
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I'm sick of the sight of her!!! She's been overexposed ridiculously over the past 2 years.
Slightly o/t but why the HELL is she face of L'oreal chatting about 'I'm worth it' when she's sporting a blatant weave in the ads??!!! Erm is this not false advertising??!!! IT'S NOT HER HAIR!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 14:07 |
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Caramelx wrote: I'm sick of the sight of her!!! She's been overexposed ridiculously over the past 2 years.
Slightly o/t but why the HELL is she face of L'oreal chatting about 'I'm worth it' when she's sporting a blatant weave in the ads??!!! Erm is this not false advertising??!!! IT'S NOT HER HAIR!!!!!!!!!
That is true but how many of the women in those ads actually sport their natural hair? Weave is used so much in the fashion industry that its' ridiculous. No matter what race they are, you can be sure that they will put weave in their hair to achieve a certain look. Many advertisments are false.
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Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 16:00 |
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Yeah I see your point but it annoys me how blatantly it's being done on primetime TV! Which black women uses L'oreal products on her hair anyway?!
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