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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 11:02 |
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visualizer wrote: Just to add lilsoulful, I would prefer to chat without dissing it but when you do that to others and react so dismissively to the mere suggestion that someone might actually be mixed race, which now proved to be the case then you should expect a bit back. I think you need to read this article and understand a few things very well. I hope you learn something from it instead of constantly trying to pigeon hole people simply on the back of appearances alone. Your refusal to accept the truth that this girl is actually no more 'black' than she is 'white' is a problem only you can address yourself. She has a white mother and prefers not to be called black. She sees herself as mixed race. That alone should be enough to end the debate. Pls face the facts and stop promoting ideas from the point of view of white people so much. Forget what other people think, see what mixed race people themselves think. Somehow I don't think they are quite as desperate as you are for them to be labelled as black.
The Hidden race
Colour blind
Tiger Woods opened America's eyes to the inaccuracy of seeing ethnic identity in terms of black and white. In Britain, the debate has not begun - but, in a series of exclusive interviews, Observer Sport reveals a surprising depth of feeling
Anna Kessel
Sunday October 29, 2006
The Observer
When Tiger Woods went on Oprah to declare himself mixed race, not black, it caused outrage across the United States. Many saw Woods's declaration as a rejection of his black heritage. In America, a country where the 'drops of blood' mentality still exists - measuring black identity into halves, quarters and eighths - one drop means you are black.
Even senior political figures, such as the former Secretary of State Colin Powell, weighed in. 'In America,' said Powell, 'when you look like me, you're black.' But Woods rejected such polarisation. His heritage is Caucasian, Black, Native American and Asian. He has invented a word to describe himself: Cablinasian. The debate in the US highlighted that, hidden behind the idea that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant, there is a real issue for people who consider themselves neither black nor white - and, partly thanks to Woods, sport has become the focal point of the debate.
Tiger woods is a self-hating prick. The man has faced racism all his life and cries at the mere fact of being called BLACK. He has black skin, and black features. The black genetic structure in his blood took over his apperance and he dosen't wanna come to terms with it. The fact that this man has made up the word 'CABLINASIAN' shows that he surely taken enough time to focus and play on his ethnicity on how much he can show he's not black. Plllzzz, this is the same man that couldne't be fast enough to go out and marry the most white, blonde, blue eyed woman for someone who was so proud of their CABABASIAN wateva he calls it, to not marry sum1 like himself. The mans an idiot and he KNOWS that in america he is yes ... 'A NIGG ER'
In the UK this debate has not begun, even though Observer Sport has discovered a surprising depth of feeling. You have only to look at England's World Cup squad this summer. Six out of seven of the players described as 'black' were mixed race, but this was not mentioned on TV or in the written press. Mixed-race people account for about 1.4 per cent of Britain's population, so for mixed-race footballers to make up 26 per cent of England's elite is a huge achievement. Theirs is the fastest growing ethnic minority in the country and yet 'mixed race' was included in the UK census for the first time only in 2001. Factor in that a high number of mixed-race children are raised in single-parent households and that mixed-race people are more likely to be victims of crime than any other ethnic group in Britain and it becomes all the more apparent as to why their achievements should be applauded.
AND, your point is  .... well they are still monkeys on the french and german football fields, and have bananas thrown on those fields by racist football fans. WHY are they trying to make white people give a damn they are mixed... Whites don't even care for their own before someone who is half black. And if anything, they will give a damn when you can put money in white peoples pockets, like they do for asians and the chinese
This year, football's anti-racism campaign, Kick It Out, launched their week of action around the slogan 'One Game, One Community'. But mixed race challenges conventional notions about community. The very different stories of the six World Cup players gives an indication of how diverse that term can be - from David James's and Theo Walcott's experiences of growing up in predominantly white rural areas, to Rio Ferdinand's and Ashley Cole's urban experience of multi-ethnic London estates.
Cole is a good example. He isn't offended by being described as black. 'But,' he says firmly, 'I call myself mixed race.' Cole was raised by his mother in east London. 'It was a predominantly white home environment. I didn't really see my black family. At home we ate English food; when we went to parties we didn't listen to soca or reggae, it would be English music. But in football you're just seen as black or white; I don't think people realise the difference.'
WHAT DIFFERENCE IN THERE TO ASK FOR .... WHAT CAN YOU HONESTLY EXPECT ?
But being either black or white in football can be difficult, as Stan Collymore's autobiography, Tackling My Demons, explains. 'Show me two rooms,' he wrote, 'one with black footballers, one with white footballers, and I would pick a room on my own.' Collymore, who grew up with his white mother in Cannock, felt alienated by the urban black culture he encountered at his first club, Crystal Palace. He says he felt 'torn apart' and 'isolated'. Paul McGrath told of similar stories and such experiences often form a stereotype. One well-known Premiership manager, who has worked with mixed-race players past and present, labelled them difficult, 'less stable' and 'confused'. If a respected manager thinks this way, what other forms of prejudice do mixed-race footballers face?
One of the most common, and offensive, terms to describe mixed race is 'half-caste'. Heather Rabbatts, born to a Jamaican mother and an English father, is the recently appointed vice-chair at Millwall. 'I haven't heard the word half-caste for many years, but I have heard it in football,' she says. 'I've heard it used by white managers, although I don't think they realise that it's racist. There's a long way to go before football understands how to talk about race.'
Palace winger Jobi McAnuff grew up in north London with his Jamaican father and white English mother. He feels strongly about the term half-caste. 'It's something mixed-race people have been labelled as for years,' he says. 'If you polled a cross-section of society I bet the majority of people would say half-caste. I don't like the word, but then you get people who are so used to it they are blind to its offensiveness.' He agrees the term is common in football. 'All the clubs I've been at I've been called half-caste. It's routine. I make a point of asking people not to call me it, though.'
Of all those interviewed for this article, opinion was divided on whether the term is offensive, although most agreed that 'it doesn't sound good'. Interestingly, many guessed at the true meaning of the word. Don Walcott, father of the Arsenal striker Theo, likened it to 'a fisherman who can't quite cast his line across a pond'; the Portsmouth goalkeeper David James offered, 'inhumanely manufactured'; McAnuff said: 'It means you're half of something, like there's something missing.'
In fact, half-caste is not far off the appalling term half-breed, one that Rabbatts remembers hearing growing up in Kent. Caste comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the derivative Portuguese casta, which means race. Caste was first used in India in the sixteenth century to describe the Hindu system of hierarchy. The term half-caste indicates how pure you are racially and echoes the days of colonial slavery when words such as mulatto, quadroon and octoroon were commonplace in sales ledgers and even in post-emancipation days in the old United States census.
Curtis Davies, the West Brom defender, whose mother is English and father is from Sierra Leone, says he is so used to hearing half-caste it doesn't bother him, but he objects to the term quarter-caste. 'Half-breed is the worst, though,' he says. 'People say it in banter to me, but if they said it seriously I would be offended.'
Being described in fractions is like being seen as abstract parts, says James. 'It was a subtle prejudice that I felt,' he says, 'but people always commented on pieces of me - my hair, my colour - no one ever said anything nice about the whole of me.'
Growing up surrounded by white faces in Welwyn Garden City in Hertfordshire, James was the only non-white child at his junior school. 'I was called a coon and a black b**tard,' he says. 'I lived with my white mum so I couldn't go back to an ethnic home and relate the experience. At school I was asked if I was adopted. I got confused and I'd go home and ask my mum if I was divorced.' James believes that there was a direct correlation between bullying because of his mixed-race background and his low self-esteem. 'Trying to break records in goal was all about proving that I was valuable.'
Sitting in a quiet pub garden in Hemel Hempstead, Don Walcott muses on the subject. Next to him is Theo's older brother, Ashley. Although it is the father who is being interviewed, it is interesting how often he defers to his son for an opinion on being mixed race. It is refreshing. Most of those interviewed said they had never spoken to a parent about their identity.
'I'm black British and it's very defining,' says Walcott senior, born in Britain to Jamaican parents. 'But people often look at my kids - Holly, Theo and Ashley - and wonder, "What are they?" They've been asked if they're Moroccan and Asian. It shouldn't matter what they are. It's a shame that it does to some.'
The term half-caste starts an interesting exchange between father and son. Walcott senior says he doesn't find it offensive, 'but maybe that's because I'm black', he says. 'It's to do with your age as well,' says Ashley. 'Maybe,' says his father. 'Does that term offend you?' he asks. Ashley thinks for a moment before saying: 'It's not a big problem, but I prefer to be called mixed race.'
The distinctions are important to Davies. 'I'm as much white as I am black,' he says. 'People have got to acknowledge that. My mum is white and I don't want people to discount that.' Davies has an older half-brother who is white. 'Every time we went to football people couldn't believe we were brothers,' he says. 'They couldn't take that I could be related to a white person.'
McAnuff says the same of his white cousins who sometimes watch him play for Palace. 'My mum's side of the family are from Portsmouth. But I don't think many of the lads at football can imagine me sat round eating a traditional English roast dinner with my white uncles and aunts. People tend to see me as black, but there's a big difference between black and mixed race. I can identify with Tiger Woods on that.'
McAnuff celebrates his fluid identity, but he admits that in football there are racial cliques. 'From my experience I get seen as one of the "brothers". You walk into the canteen and there's a table of black boys and the white boys are up the other end, but I don't see it as a negative. I'd like to think it's easier for me to cross between groups, but my white friends at Palace still see me as black. People only see skin deep and society says I look more black than white.'
Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe is not mixed race but grew up around mixed-race families in the East End. He says that half-caste is derogatory. He sees his mixed-race team-mates as black, he says. 'If we were messing about, having a kick around, and someone said let's play black v whites, I'd expect JJ [Jermaine Jenas] and Aaron [Lennon] to come with us. I don't think they'd even stop to think about it.'
Surrey cricket captain Mark Butcher was born to a Jamaican mother and an English father. 'There's often a tribal thing in sports teams where all the black players go out together, but I never got into that. Often music will split a room, but in our house there was never anything you shouldn't listen to. I remember sitting up Sunday nights, we'd get the stereo and crank it up. Mum would put on Deep Purple and dad's got the reggae on.'
For Davies, a fluid identity can also raise difficult questions. 'If I'm walking down the street with black mates, it's cold and we've got our hoodies up, we are likely to get name-checked by the police. I've been with my white mates, same area, same hoodies and it's never happened. The police don't even look or slow down. I guess that's another aspect about the split in my race,' he says.
England women's striker Rachel Yankey grew up in west London with an English mother; her Ghanaian father did not live with them. Sometimes it is the small things about a mixed-race background that make the most impression. 'I've been in a shop with my mum and they've looked at both of us and gone, "I can see you're related", and I'm thinking, "Why say that?" Or hairdressers, that's the most common one. I remember going to white hairdressers with my mum and they couldn't cut it right, or they put the wrong products in.'
Yankey says she feels uncomfortable when people assume things about her because of how she looks. She tells the story of an African mother to a child who attends her coaching sessions. 'She brought in some traditional African food for me and asked if I knew what it was. She wasn't quizzing me, but I felt that being half-African I should know. It bothered me that I didn't. I felt I had to explain. I said that my dad didn't bring me up, I didn't grow up eating African food.'
The example of Collymore and his rooms full of black and white people elicits interesting responses. James says he would probably hang out on his own, while Davies is aghast at the idea of having to choose. 'Choosing which room to go into?' he says. 'That's like choosing who to save from a burning building, your mum or your dad.'
Yankey's view is more complex. 'When you go in the white room you know you're different looking, but I've grown up with white people so that's probably where I'd feel most comfortable. When you go in the black room you look similar but you don't feel as comfortable inside. I'm happiest when I'm surrounded by a mix of people.'
Rabbatts says: 'For many years you had to be in one camp or another, but it's becoming less about a singular choice these days. My son is able to support four different national football teams. When I was working in diversity groups not long ago it was all about the cricket test: if you didn't support England you were in trouble. For me at Millwall it's about being with my black players and my white players. If I have any advantages in life it's that I can understand and be part of both of those spheres.'
So how does football's anti-racism body, Kick It Out, view the position of mixed-race individuals in the game? Director Piara Powar says the use of the term half-caste is a form of abuse. 'If a player came to us with a complaint about it we would support their case,' he says. 'It's an issue the industry needs to be educated on.' Still, Powar believes that had Ron Atkinson abused a top mixed-race player using the term half-caste, in the way that he abused Marcel Desailly - in an unguarded moment, he called the Frenchman a 'f**king lazy, thick N****r' in April 2004 - there would have been nowhere near as severe repercussions for the former ITV pundit.
Kick It Out do not currently educate on mixed-race issues, but Powar says that the term half-caste could be introduced into steward training packages as a primary step.
So what does the future hold? Cole is not confident that much will change. 'It's the adults that are teaching the kids the word half-caste; to get them to change you need to re-educate them first,' he says. McAnuff says the media is a vital tool in this. 'I don't think people realise saying mixed race would make such a big difference to mixed-race players like us. The media is powerful. Imagine if they started using it in the newspapers and on Match of the Day. It would educate people. I think it's something we could look at.'
In Britain, mixed race is the youngest age profile of any ethnic group, with about 50 per cent aged 16 and under. It is likely many more top footballers will emerge from this group. Walcott senior says it takes a generation for people to be educated on these issues. His son Theo, nicknamed Tiger Woods at school, may just be part of the next generation to effect that change.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1934219,00.html
MAYBE if they JUST COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BLACK, MAYBE LIFE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER for them
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 12:03 |
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I don't know anything about this Charley person, having not watched any BB since I sneaked peaks of the first episode in the ad breaks of "Ugly Betty", so my comments are in general and not about her specifically.
Isn't it insulting to mixed race people to expect them to deny 50%, and in some cases more, of who they are?
Just because the genes of one parent are more aesthetically visiable doesn't make them Black, anymore than those folks back in the late 19th/early 20th century who used to try and pass for white WERE white (although in the social construct of the time, you could arguably understand it).
I happen to look like my paternal grandmothers side of family. Does that mean I should deny my mothers side/role in making up who I am?
Now I understand there are those mixed race folks who strongly identify with one or the other depending on who they were raised by/around. I also understand that there are those of mixed race who's only idea of "Blackness" or Black culture comes from watching Channel U. And I place the blame for this on the Black parent for not giving them a sense of 50% of their cultural identity (although some would argue that if a Black person chooses to procreate with a white person, how muh culture do they hae anyway).
None the less, in my opinion it is up to mixed race folks to define their own selves. But i think it is said when they feel they have to deny 50%of who they are to it in with one group or the other.
Mixed race people are not Black. Black people are Black. White people are White. Asian Peaole are Asian. Mixed race people are mixed race. Simple.
Why make the assumption that they WANT to be accepted by Black people just because they look more Black than White?
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 12:09 |
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This has to be the clearest case of actually fact that I have seen people try to argue pointlessly about ;
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"dark looking girl" on TV comes out and says she is MIXED actually, then accepts for reasons unknown that she is a n****r .
Now why oh why are some people here insisting that she is "black" or "being ostracized by black people" , is it a crime to accept people for who they want to be accepted as???
I suggest some people here get a gripe and understand that YOU may want to claim the mixed race people as black, but they have other ideas too so let them be and stop fighting a battle that doesn't exist....
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 12:15 |
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I don't know if it's funny, sad or ironic that when someone says she is Black, Charley will say she is in fact mixed race, but she will happily call herself a N****r.
Should tell the Black folks trying to claim her something about where her head is at.
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 13:16 |
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lilsoulful1 wrote
hhhmmm, really chile .... THEN i guess that's your issue... LIGHT and bright and damn near white is something i'm supposing you feel inferior to because you don't even wanna accept it ? would not be suprised, cause that's only your issue.. ... Well GUESS what, REALITY CHECK, THERE are the light and bright ones who ARE apart of our race and are on this earth no matter if you like it or not and yes many of them do have two black parents ... Chile, you need to step, because FACT IS they are apart of our race and it isn't changing so shut up
First and foremost what do you define as being black?
If you are coming from a Caribbean perspective, there are many dark skinned women/men who have dark skinned parents who may appear to be black but if you check it out they have Indian ancestry and are mixed, hair can be a give away... just because someone is dark-skinned does not mean they are fully black u know. I have family members who have one Indian parent and one black parent. One of my cousins is so dark-skinned you would have never have guessed she was part Indian until you see the head of hair she has but on the other hand her sis is very light skinned and has more kinky hair, so…
Am sorry but you’re post is pure stupidness, I wasn’t gonna comment on this race issue but you‘re post does not make any sense, speaking as a light/red/brown whateva person, I am only this way because both of my parents are mixed raced I know that and that it fact. You sound very confusing...as someone who is from Trinidad u should kno better the amount of mixed people there is on de island...
Also, what is there to accept? LOL. The majority of light skinned/red people are that colour because of mixing, that is a fact. If both or one of my parents was fully black, I would probably look closer to one of my grandparents but I don’t. You're making this a real big issue when it really shouldn’t be, because de girl has stated that she is half white. Get over it! I think it is YOU Who can’t except that there are mixed raced people out there who do not fit the normal mixed raced stereotype!
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Posted: Sunday June 10th, 2007 18:17 |
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Madam Butterfly wrote:
Isn't it insulting to mixed race people to expect them to deny 50%, and in some cases more, of who they are?
- @Eddie- This right here is my answer. Nothing you are saying makes sense. if her dad was mixed race and her mother was white, should we still be calling her black then? The bottom line is that she is NOT black. i don't care how many technicalities you wanna wrap it up in, it is what it is and biologically, it is impossible for her to be black. Please do not put words in my mouth because at no point did I say she could "help" her genetic make up. and at no point did I say it was WRONG for her to be mixed race. What I object to is this pathertic misconception that since she is "contaminated" with black blood, we must therfore accept all responsibility for her. It's bull sh*t.
Further more, if this so called "black" woman is perfectly happy to refer to herself as a N****r, I ask again why we must be so quick to claim her? cos I don't know boout yoou, but ain't no DAMN N****rs in my race.
@lilsoulful one. Clearly you are incapable if holding a debate without having to resort to childish and patronising retorts. And whi the f**k are you to tell me what I do or don't have an problem with? When you learn to approach people properly, maybe people on this board will start to take you seriously. Go away little girl. I'm bored with you now.
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Posted: Monday June 11th, 2007 11:57 |
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Ok Charley is mixed raced that cannot be denied.
She is though quite dark skinned for a mixed raced person and I do think that she will tend to experience more or less the same racism that a black woman would face. Tricia Goddard is another example of a mixed raced woman who you couldn't really tell and therefore will most likely to experience racism the same way that a black person does because to the average person in this country on face value alone they are black.
Charley wants to be called mixed raced though so that is fine by me that is how i will think of her as. If she wanted to call herself black that would have been fine by me to.
In some cases also the way a mixed raced person and a black person are raised may differ as well. This is largely down to the parents though as to how they decide to raise their children.
I am no fan of Charley i don't particularly like any of the housemates in there this year. The large majority of the females just seem so shallow wanting to be WAG'S and IT girls so i am no fan of any of them. I do though think that she maybe getting a harder time by others and in some cases being judged more harshly than some of the other female housemates when they are equally as bad as each other in my opinion.Last edited on Monday June 11th, 2007 12:00 by rachie
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Posted: Monday June 11th, 2007 12:08 |
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Soulstarr Wrote:
- @Eddie- This right here is my answer. Nothing you are saying makes sense. if her dad was mixed race and her mother was white, should we still be calling her black then? The bottom line is that she is NOT black. i don't care how many technicalities you wanna wrap it up in, it is what it is and biologically, it is impossible for her to be black. Please do not put words in my mouth because at no point did I say she could "help" her genetic make up. and at no point did I say it was WRONG for her to be mixed race. What I object to is this pathertic misconception that since she is "contaminated" with black blood, we must therfore accept all responsibility for her. It's bull sh*t.
Soulstarr let me asked you the question who said she was contaminated with black blood??? I certainly did not say that nor did I use that language.
However you are right by refering to her biologically as mixed race however society doesn't see it like that. Noone is going to ask her her biological makeup when she faces discrimination in her everyday life in housing, Jobs , or when she goes in shops.
Maybe I didn't make myself very clear I already said we live in a world where you are judged and treated on the way you look, And I should have added to that statement by the colour of your skin also.
The fact of the matter is while her biological makeup is a very important point realistically none of us are in any position to be making any comment regarding this as we have not been in any laboratories or done any tests.
All we can do is speculate based on her parents none of us can do anymore than that. When I said she was black I was talking as a realist ,nobody is going to have time to ask this sister her biological makeup when they are calling her a n......r
You have already made the point you don't agree with the one drop rule well unfortunately that is your opinion, And we live in a world where the opinion of the majority rules the roost.
So to put things into perspective here you where right she happens to have some white blood,so this would make her mixed race but who knows what other blood we may find if we were to look back in her biological makeup in detail.
Just as I'm sure many of us would get some suprises if we were to look at our own bilogical makups in a laboratory. However the fact I may have chinese as part of my makeup isn't going to get me any preferential treatment at mr woo's noodle bar.
The fact of the matter is I have black skin and african features so society therefore see's me as a black man and I will be treated acording to that fact.
It's exactly the same for this sister she happens to be a mixed race sister whom happpens to have black skin and more african features. So society will view her as a black woman. I know this is dificult to comprehend but it's the way it is.
However I do take your points on board and respect the fact I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my original post. respect
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Posted: Monday June 11th, 2007 23:17 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Madam Butterfly wrote:
Isn't it insulting to mixed race people to expect them to deny 50%, and in some cases more, of who they are?
- @Eddie- This right here is my answer. Nothing you are saying makes sense. if her dad was mixed race and her mother was white, should we still be calling her black then? The bottom line is that she is NOT black. i don't care how many technicalities you wanna wrap it up in, it is what it is and biologically, it is impossible for her to be black. Please do not put words in my mouth because at no point did I say she could "help" her genetic make up. and at no point did I say it was WRONG for her to be mixed race. What I object to is this pathertic misconception that since she is "contaminated" with black blood, we must therfore accept all responsibility for her. It's bull sh*t.
Further more, if this so called "black" woman is perfectly happy to refer to herself as a N****r, I ask again why we must be so quick to claim her? cos I don't know boout yoou, but ain't no DAMN N****rs in my race.
@lilsoulful one. Clearly you are incapable if holding a debate without having to resort to childish and patronising retorts. And whi the f**k are you to tell me what I do or don't have an problem with? When you learn to approach people properly, maybe people on this board will start to take you seriously. Go away little girl. I'm bored with you now.
IS THAT ALL you base it on ... her genetics ? Do you use that has a excuse for the way you love to cut off mixed folks..... sad and pathetic. Is that how you treat and view mixed people "Your not black cause you got abit of summat else in you" ... foolish child
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Posted: Monday June 11th, 2007 23:49 |
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lilsoulful: why you getting so worked up?? lol it doesnt matter what you or anyone else thinks she should identify as. as long as she is happy calling herself what she thinks she is - why should anyone else worry?
For example, I am an African. Even though my parents were born in caribbean and I was born in the UK, I consider myself African. I accept my British nationality and I accept my Caribbean heritage and accept their influences on me and accept they are part of what makes me who I am but I am an AFRICAN, not european, not asian, not 'mixed' but AFRICAN. The continent I accept myself as having originated from is AFRICA.
Some would try to tell me i am not an African and that I am a Caribbean, or that I'm neither and that I'm actually 'Black British'. do I lose sleep over it??
Helll Nooo!! I know what I am and that's what matters. Do you think Charley would lose sleep over the fact some consider her black and others don't on a messageboard in cyberspace? Do you think its your duty to 'fight her corner'??
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Posted: Tuesday June 12th, 2007 09:08 |
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comfortandjoy wrote: lilsoulful: why you getting so worked up?? lol it doesnt matter what you or anyone else thinks she should identify as. as long as she is happy calling herself what she thinks she is - why should anyone else worry?
For example, I am an African. Even though my parents were born in caribbean and I was born in the UK, I consider myself African. I accept my British nationality and I accept my Caribbean heritage and accept their influences on me and accept they are part of what makes me who I am but I am an AFRICAN, not european, not asian, not 'mixed' but AFRICAN. The continent I accept myself as having originated from is AFRICA.
Some would try to tell me i am not an African and that I am a Caribbean, or that I'm neither and that I'm actually 'Black British'. do I lose sleep over it??
Helll Nooo!! I know what I am and that's what matters. Do you think Charley would lose sleep over the fact some consider her black and others don't on a messageboard in cyberspace? Do you think its your duty to 'fight her corner'??
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Posted: Tuesday June 12th, 2007 10:41 |
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| Charley said herself she is mixed race, whats the big deal?
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Posted: Tuesday June 12th, 2007 15:05 |
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girl21 wrote:
Yeah I just saw that. I would really like to know where all these black people are that still run around calling each other the n-word, because honestly i know NO-ONE that says this. If you watched the tv commentary you'd think it was all of our first name the way white AND black claim we alll use it.
exactly (lol)
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Posted: Tuesday June 12th, 2007 21:48 |
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I predict:
Ziggy is a real slime ball and will go off with Charlie when he get''s bored of Channelle
The twins have a game plan to appear dumb, thick and innocent
That Granny smith is planning on leaving the house like the other Granny smith
Tracy gets off with the Foreign guy
and there is a real girlie riot. 
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 16:42 |
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Straight from the wazungu's mouth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4AT3nhg00&mode=related&search=
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 18:06 |
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| comfortandjoy , i know what your saying but if some black person on big brother was on there who is from carribean heritage with very dark skin, black features and nappy hair, and that person was militant they were not African, this forum belive me would be kickin nuff fuss..
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 18:17 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Straight from the wazungu's mouth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE4AT3nhg00&mode=related&search=
STONE HER  That false staged clip was an even bigger disgrace! This MOFO feels no remorse for what she said! Give her the chance and she will say it over and over again. Disgrace, and to think she has profited from this big time. I'm speechless. 
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 18:44 |
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| Charlie is very spiteful. I really think she needs 2 go but where are all the Black males this year?
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Posted: Wednesday June 13th, 2007 20:08 |
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Brown_$uga_03 wrote: Charlie is very spiteful. I really think she needs 2 go but where are all the Black males this year?
Doing what the chinese, japanese and and indian men are doing...staying the hell away from this freak show (fingers crossed).
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