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Posted: Tuesday August 15th, 2006 23:39 |
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Biggie Smalls just had more commercial appeal since Big L was underground. Both were great rappers and although they shared a lot of similarities, I think Big L's use of metaphors, storytelling and punchlines were more creative than Biggie. It's a shame he was cut off before he showed the world more of what he had to offer.
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Posted: Tuesday August 15th, 2006 23:41 |
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naw i disagree.. i'd go with biggie
def the greatest... flow wise..and word play wise...
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Posted: Wednesday August 16th, 2006 00:55 |
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Big L's was too closely linked to Lord Finesse's
I heard a lot of his records....and he was just an updated finesse...he rarely changed pitch.flow or subject matter...
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Posted: Wednesday August 16th, 2006 01:18 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Biggie Smalls just had more commercial appeal since Big L was underground. Both were great rappers and although they shared a lot of similarities, I think Big L's use of metaphors, storytelling and punchlines were more creative than Biggie. It's a shame he was cut off before he showed the world more of what he had to offer.
RIP to 'em both.
Good topic, bruh, Good topic.
L, had the better punchlines; his sense of humor was ridiculous. You could tell he was a student of hip hop. L was one of those MC's that didn't need a beat to get your attention; his delivery was his strongsuit. BIG's natural voice, flow and storytelling skills were on a higher level, in my opinion(he was a more detailed storyteller; going so far as to go into character in song). Both left a lot to be desired as far as content was concerned.
You could make an argument for both being the most talented MC ever, from a God-given ability standpoint, but neither did enough to merit the label "the greatest MC ever" off of their work while alive. Maybe they would have if they lived longer? In my opinion, L had one slept on underground classic album("Lifestylez Ov Da Poor and Dangerous"), while BIG had one true classic album("Ready to Die").
You could say BIG simply made better music because of superior production and that's why he got/gets the props he did/does, but the flipside of that argument is that he 'made' the production. Nothing/no one on Bad Boy has approached Biggie's work since, which means something.
They both used that Debarge beat, but BIG made it a classic record; L made it a boast rap. That's the story of their respective careers, and why one blew up and the other did not.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 10:04 |
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Big L was more than just a rapper, he was a true poet. his freestyle was his strongest asset. Big L flowed with absolute class, and at times switched it to delivery a nice punch line. he was raw and real, talk about life on the materialistic, sociological and psychological level. He never had a criminal record and left the streets alone to concentrate on rapping. Living in Harlem, USA life is hard for young teens more so than any British city or "Ghetto".
he had a record label called Flamboyant, as his style of rapping reflects that. Big L had plans to sign many underground rappers, he had a song called platinum plus and there’s one line that amazes me "My underground N****rs you can shine with me, i got my own label so sign with me, you gotta take it from the bottom and climb with me, that's fine with me, that's how it was design to be". And the root reason he never signed with Columbia records was a) they where pushing him in direction he did want to go, b) they wouldn’t sign his friends.
He wasn’t a negative rapper as so many of those hip-hop lead heads of today. He was a controlled, calculating, rhyming genius in my opinion. i don't think there will never be someone like him again.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 11:55 |
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BIG L wrote:
Big L was more than just a rapper, he was a true poet. his freestyle was his strongest asset. Big L flowed with absolute class, and at times switched it to delivery a nice punch line. he was raw and real, talk about life on the materialistic, sociological and psychological level. He never had a criminal record and left the streets alone to concentrate on rapping. Living in Harlem, USA life is hard for young teens more so than any British city or "Ghetto".
he had a record label called Flamboyant, as his style of rapping reflects that. Big L had plans to sign many underground rappers, he had a song called platinum plus and there’s one line that amazes me "My underground N****rs you can shine with me, i got my own label so sign with me, you gotta take it from the bottom and climb with me, that's fine with me, that's how it was design to be". And the root reason he never signed with Columbia records was a) they where pushing him in direction he did want to go, b) they wouldn’t sign his friends.
He wasn’t a negative rapper as so many of those hip-hop lead heads of today. He was a controlled, calculating, rhyming genius in my opinion. i don't think there will never be someone like him again.
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Damn dude, you should have written his epitaph...that's the greatest obiturary i've ever read.
Take it you're a fan of his then.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 12:31 |
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stick-upKid wrote: BIG L wrote:
Big L was more than just a rapper, he was a true poet. his freestyle was his strongest asset. Big L flowed with absolute class, and at times switched it to delivery a nice punch line. he was raw and real, talk about life on the materialistic, sociological and psychological level. He never had a criminal record and left the streets alone to concentrate on rapping. Living in Harlem, USA life is hard for young teens more so than any British city or "Ghetto".
he had a record label called Flamboyant, as his style of rapping reflects that. Big L had plans to sign many underground rappers, he had a song called platinum plus and there’s one line that amazes me "My underground N****rs you can shine with me, i got my own label so sign with me, you gotta take it from the bottom and climb with me, that's fine with me, that's how it was design to be". And the root reason he never signed with Columbia records was a) they where pushing him in direction he did want to go, b) they wouldn’t sign his friends.
He wasn’t a negative rapper as so many of those hip-hop lead heads of today. He was a controlled, calculating, rhyming genius in my opinion. i don't think there will never be someone like him again.
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Damn dude, you should have written his epitaph...that's the greatest obiturary i've ever read.
Take it you're a fan of his then.
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Nah he just thought he would use his name as a screen name and the pic.. purely coincidental
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 14:25 |
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| Not to mention the fact that Big L was more authentic with his, whereas with Biggie, he came across as gimmicky most of the time.
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 19:39 |
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stick-upKid wrote: BIG L wrote:
Big L was more than just a rapper, he was a true poet. his freestyle was his strongest asset. Big L flowed with absolute class, and at times switched it to delivery a nice punch line. he was raw and real, talk about life on the materialistic, sociological and psychological level. He never had a criminal record and left the streets alone to concentrate on rapping. Living in Harlem, USA life is hard for young teens more so than any British city or "Ghetto".
he had a record label called Flamboyant, as his style of rapping reflects that. Big L had plans to sign many underground rappers, he had a song called platinum plus and there’s one line that amazes me "My underground N****rs you can shine with me, i got my own label so sign with me, you gotta take it from the bottom and climb with me, that's fine with me, that's how it was design to be". And the root reason he never signed with Columbia records was a) they where pushing him in direction he did want to go, b) they wouldn’t sign his friends.
He wasn’t a negative rapper as so many of those hip-hop lead heads of today. He was a controlled, calculating, rhyming genius in my opinion. i don't think there will never be someone like him again.
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Damn dude, you should have written his epitaph...that's the greatest obiturary i've ever read.
Take it you're a fan of his then.
i'm a fan of his work, i mainly concentrate on the fact that he can rhyme without slipping up half way through. Most people around the world do not always like his subject matters. But his skill to rhyme and cuss idiots is not in doubt.
R.I.P Mr. M.V.P (most valuable poet) on the M.I.C
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Posted: Tuesday September 19th, 2006 19:48 |
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His Realness wrote: Biggie Smalls just had more commercial appeal since Big L was underground. Both were great rappers and although they shared a lot of similarities, I think Big L's use of metaphors, storytelling and punchlines were more creative than Biggie. It's a shame he was cut off before he showed the world more of what he had to offer.
RIP to 'em both.
Your smoking a big L to make that assessment. Just kidding, I have to go with Biggie though. BigL was like a talented teenager who had natural raw skill, but not as focused and intelligent as Notorious BIG. That's just my opinion.
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Posted: Wednesday September 20th, 2006 11:26 |
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I respect Big L but the comparison was a poor one. Big L might have had funny punchlines and jokes but wasn't on Biggies level.
Compare two of Biggies storys to Big L's.
Big L
The heist
Casualties of a dice game
Biggie
N****rz bleed
Story to tell
Now you can't really be serious with this. The heist was funny and had moments like "Them ciggarettes gone be the death of me" LOL but think of N****rz bleed. Biggie is not only telling the story but playing at least three different parts in the narrative. Casualties of a dice game to me was just a reimagining of Slick Ricks bedtime story but with a silly ending, story to tell was hilarious. Somebody got to die was an underrated classic too.
Punchlines I definately give to Big L, "ask Beavis I get nothing But Head" In fact on that I don't think anybody is better. Maybe Cannibus when he first started out but he never managed to take that level to his albums unfortunately. Both BigL and Biggie got mad variety in their flows and techniques so I'd score them equally there. Stories I'd give easily to Biggie and for me he's as good as Nas himself on the painting verbal pictures thing. Song for song Biggie simply had better songs than BigL. I mean I was feeling Fed up, and lifestyles but Everyday struggle and Ready to die are superior. Both of them too grimey in ways and went to far. Biggie on "gimme the loot" and Big L on damn near everything!
All round Big L was good very good and definately one of the better MCs but not Biggies equal no way.
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Posted: Wednesday September 20th, 2006 16:38 |
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| I'm saying, I think I'm going to have to go with Biggie.
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Posted: Wednesday September 20th, 2006 17:10 |
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Big L - 9
Biggie - 8.5
That's all I have to say. In a battle Big L woula tore Biggie 3 new ones. Biggie was lucky to have better production but that was about it.
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Posted: Sunday October 29th, 2006 13:04 |
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Ebonics
Big L
Yo, pay attention
And listen real closely how I break this slang sh*t down
Check it, my weed smoke is my lye
A ki of coke is a pie
When I'm lifted, I'm high
With new clothes on, I'm fly
Cars is whips and sneakers is kicks
Money is chips, movies is flicks
Also, cribs is homes, jacks is pay phones
Cocaine is nose candy, cigarettes is bones
A radio is a box, a razor blade is a ox
Fat diamonds is rocks and jakes is cop
And if you got rubbed, you got stuck
You got shot, you got bucked
And if you got double-crossed, you got f**ked
Your bankroll is your poke, a choke hold is a yoke
A kite is a note, a con is a okey doke
And if you got punched that mean you got snuffed
To clean is to buff, a bull scare is a strong bluff
I know you like the way I'm freakin' it
I talk with slang and I'ma never stop speakin' it
Chorus: repeat (2X)
'Speak with criminal slang' -Nas
That's just the way that I talk, yo
'Vocabulary spills, I'm ill' -Nas
Yo, yo
A burglary is a jook, a woof's a crook
Mobb Deep already explained the meanin' of shook
If you caught a felony, you caught a F
If you got killed, you got left
If you got the dragon, you got bad breath
If you 730, that mean you crazy
Hit me on the hip means page me
Angel dust is sherm, if you got AIDS, you got the germ
If a chick gave you a disease, then you got burned
Max mean to relax, guns and pistols is gats
Condoms is hats, critters is cracks
The food you eat is your grub
A victim's a mark
A sweat box is a small club, your tick is your heart
Your apartment is your pad
Your old man is your dad
The studio is the lab and heated is mad
I know you like the way I'm freakin' it
I talk with slang and I'ma never stop speakin' it
Chorus (2X)
The iron horse is the train and champaign is bubbly
A deuce is a honey that's ugly
If your girl is fine, she's a dime
A suit is a fine, jewelry is shine
If you in love, that mean you blind
Genuine is real, a face card is a hundred dollar bill
A very hard, long stare is a grill
If you sneakin' to go see a girl, that mean you creepin'
Smilin' is cheesin', bleedin' is leakin'
Beggin is bummin, if you nuttin you comin
Takin' orders is sunnin', an ounce of coke is a onion
A hotel's a telly, a cell phone's a celly
Jealous is jelly, your food box is your belly
To guerrilla mean to use physical force
You took a L, you took a loss
To show off mean floss, uh
I know you like the way I'm freakin' it
I talk with slang and I'ma never stop speakin' it
Chorus (2X)
Yeah, yeah
One love to my big brother, Big Lee
Holdin' it down
Yeah, Flamboyant for life
Yeah yeah, Flamboyant for life
 There was a UK version of this.....anyone remember who it was?
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Posted: Sunday October 29th, 2006 17:25 |
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Biggie was such a hero to black ppl. A fake arse crack dealer that talked sh*t about beating women and selling crack. Lol he never even done that.
Biggie was a disgrace. I'm sorry he died but he had almost no positive content to his music whatsoever. When I was younger I used to look up to him, but I seen the truth now. Gimme the loot was not exactly a rousing call to social change was it.
Biggie and Pac started a nasty era of hip hop that promoted violence and murder.
However despite pac's contradicitons, he recorded some of the most powerful socially conscious music EVER. He said in his music what MLK said in his speeches- i.e. respect our women, look at the poverty and brutality and let's dream of a better day. That's why they killed Pac. I'd love to know how Biggie changed lives, other than inspiring crack dealers.
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