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Posted: Monday December 15th, 2003 11:36 |
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VATICAN CITY (AFP) - US hip-hop singer Lauryn Hill stunned leading members of the Roman Catholic Church when she accused them of moral corruption, exploitation and abuse from the stage during a Christmas concert at the Vatican (news - web sites).
Hill, 28, launched her diatribe in front of an audience of 7,500 guests at a packed Paul VI hall, used by Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II for indoor public audiences.
"I'm not here to celebrate, like you, the birth of Christ, but to ask you why you are not in mourning for his death in this place," Hill said, reading from a prepared statement as she came on stage for her performance as part of a all-star gala concert.
"Holy God has witnessed the corruption of your leadership, of the exploitation and abuses which are the minimum that can be said for the clergy," she added, calling on the hierarchy to "repent".
Stunned hierarchy in the front row at Saturday night's concert included one of the most senior figures in the Church, Cardinal Camillo Ruini, who is head of the Italian bishops conference.
An aide to Ruini, Bishop Rino Fisichella, described the singer's speech as "a rash outburst. An uneducated act showing a lack of respect for the place she was a guest and for those who invited her."
The Holy See has been widely accused of failing to respond adequately to a paedophile scandal involving priests, particularly in the United States.
The US Church has been under intense fire over the policy of some archdioceses of moving known child abusing priests from parish to parish over decades.
Hill, a former member of The Fugees and winner of five Grammy Awards, said she was not speaking as a representative of any religious organisation.
Italian press reports Sunday said her attack was unlikely to be included when the concert is broadcast on Italian television on December 24, Christmas Eve.
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Posted: Monday December 15th, 2003 11:44 |
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| Good on Lauryn Hill however if she wants to be number one in the public eye she must learn the tactics of when and where to fight her battles this may drag her down but good on her all the same. She should've put similar lyrics in her songs it would've reached a far wider audience....hence knowing how to fight your battles.
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Posted: Tuesday December 16th, 2003 19:34 |
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very interesting topic i didnt no that about lauren hill good on her
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Posted: Thursday December 25th, 2003 09:33 |
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| Yeah i read about this i say good for Lauryn Hill for being a strong concious sista and for taking the Vatican to task regarding their corruption involving child abuse ,i think she is showing alot of integrity by telling the truth and not being worried about saying the right thing so that it does,nt affect her album sales or her popularity with the public like some of these other artists.
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Posted: Friday December 26th, 2003 21:14 |
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| great works lauren, its all about setting the record straight. many around the world have no voice. more "stars" need to remember their words have power. welcome "back"
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Posted: Saturday December 27th, 2003 02:15 |
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| I dont agree, I think Lauren Hill should first sort out the mess that is her private life before she starts lecturing the pope. Isn't she holed up as "wife" to one of Marley's sexually delinquent sons, who is already married? Ho Hum. I mean, I dont defend the pope, but who da hell do Hill think she is? Leave that kind of things to peeps more qualified to do it, not a has been rap singer who marries with her eyes wide shut. Goddam.
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Posted: Saturday December 27th, 2003 22:34 |
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 @All. I like the sister personally, but have to agree with Rammie and Mafdet. These things about making political or social statements must come from somewhere which is morally consistent and also show good judgement, even if coming from the best places.
Tactically, I think her actions very misjudged and serves what purpose actually....?There are so many other institutions with direct relevence to African Americans which I suggest which could do with her attention. Poor judgement like that only serves to deflect the issue, and expose the person to heavy negative scrutiny. As Rammie rightly pointed out the sister appears to have her own moral closet to rinse out, before she stands on a platform and make those remarks if she seriously wants to have a positive effect.
It would appear to me, if I was prioritising the key issues affecting black people in the US or globally, the sexual conduct and morals of black men and PARTICULARLY BLACK WOMEN is far more important in its social consequences and at the ROOT of most of our social problems including gun and other forms of crime.
Bad move.....perhaps she is chanting down babylon, the influence of the Marley spell which she seems under
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Posted: Sunday December 28th, 2003 10:15 |
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| Nah man i reckon lauryn hill did the right thing so she has a few problems in her private life so what, who does,nt have some sort of issues in their personal lives these days ?its just certain people know how to cover up their indiscretions better than others thats all, nobodies perfect but she sure as hell is,nt a paedophile child molester masqurading as a vicar or priest and where institutions like the catholic church try to cover up or protect the perpetrators. I think she had alot of balls to do what she did.
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 06:11 |
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I understand that Miss Lauryn Hill had a point to get across an a very good one for that matter something that definately needs to be addressed... but really was that the right time..???!
Also if she has so much disgust fot the Catholic church why did she accept the invitation to play at the Vatican , would it not have been beeter if she declined and then gave the reason why (her little speech)
I think she had no respect for the people who invited her choosing that time to deliver her message...
I love lauryn hill and i really really do feel her music BUT!!!!!!
This her self rightious attititude is suprising......who made her LORD and God!!!!!!
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 06:35 |
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LoveInjection.. wrote: I understand that Miss Lauryn Hill had a point to get across an a very good one for that matter something that definately needs to be addressed... but really was that the right time..???!
Also if she has so much disgust fot the Catholic church why did she accept the invitation to play at the Vatican , would it not have been beeter if she declined and then gave the reason why (her little speech)
I think she had no respect for the people who invited her choosing that time to deliver her message...
I love lauryn hill and i really really do feel her music BUT!!!!!!
This her self rightious attititude is suprising......who made her LORD and God!!!!!!
When do you think is the right time to address these kind of issues? And if somebody else were to take the catholic church to task on these issues would you be questioning that same individual as to whether they were acting self rightious ?
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 06:47 |
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markee wrote:
When do you think is the right time to address these kind of issues? And if somebody else were to take the catholic church to task on these issues would you be questioning that same individual as to whether they were acting self rightious ?
As i said in my 1st post... Miss Lauryn hill could have declined the invitation to play the concert at the Vaticant and stated her reasons why instead of ruing the Christmas concert for everyone else...I am sure there was people at the concert who came for a pleasant evening out and not be forced to listen to Miss Lauryn Hill's outburst...
I am only questioning Miss Lauryn hill because i feel she is not in the posistion to go around and past judgement on such people in such an enviroment ,... two wrongs dont make a right she should be able to articulate her point as a responsible adult at a more aproriate time... 
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 07:49 |
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@loveinjection
Maybe thats exactly why she did'nt decline to do the concert in the first place the fact that she could let more people be aware of the corruption that has been allowed to be taking place in the roman catholic institutions. I think it would be kind of stupid to go to a concert in vatican city and not be made aware of its corruption and exploitation ,it would be like you're endorsing ,supporting or turning a blind eye to the roman catholic churchs behaviour regarding these issues to start with .And whats being an adult got to do with what Lauryn Hill did ?truth is truth regardless ,good on her.
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 08:45 |
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| has anyone consider that this could be a marketing ploy. indeed she has her opininions, though she is due to relaease a new album in the new year. the media loves controversy. that girl she has issues. indeed what the carholic church has been doing is bad but surley there is a place and tiome for everything. plus from what i read the audience did not understand her english as they spoke a different language and soem had to have her words translated afterwards. so who was her protest at really. good intentions but class-less
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 09:37 |
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markee wrote: @loveinjection
Maybe thats exactly why she did'nt decline to do the concert in the first place the fact that she could let more people be aware of the corruption that has been allowed to be taking place in the roman catholic institutions. I think it would be kind of stupid to go to a concert in vatican city and not be made aware of its corruption and exploitation ,it would be like you're endorsing ,supporting or turning a blind eye to the roman catholic churchs behaviour regarding these issues to start with .And whats being an adult got to do with what Lauryn Hill did ?truth is truth regardless ,good on her.
I agree with the others that she needs to clean up her own house before she slates other people.
Yes, truth is truth. But as a public figure your life is constantly scrutinised by the public and the way you conduct yourself in your personal life can have bearings on the credibility you have in the eyes of others. She notoriously lived a 'trifling' way of life with the son a legend AND Wyclef Jean - both married men - which was bound to stir up controversy. She didn't care about morals THEN, did she?
Regardless of what her motives were (and I seriously question them) in speaking out, the fact is she isn't going to be taken seriously since she herself practices the very things in her own songs that she speaks against.
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 10:40 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: markee wrote: @loveinjection
Maybe thats exactly why she did'nt decline to do the concert in the first place the fact that she could let more people be aware of the corruption that has been allowed to be taking place in the roman catholic institutions. I think it would be kind of stupid to go to a concert in vatican city and not be made aware of its corruption and exploitation ,it would be like you're endorsing ,supporting or turning a blind eye to the roman catholic churchs behaviour regarding these issues to start with .And whats being an adult got to do with what Lauryn Hill did ?truth is truth regardless ,good on her.
I agree with the others that she needs to clean up her own house before she slates other people.
Yes, truth is truth. But as a public figure your life is constantly scrutinised by the public and the way you conduct yourself in your personal life can have bearings on the credibility you have in the eyes of others. She notoriously lived a 'trifling' way of life with the son a legend AND Wyclef Jean - both married men - which was bound to stir up controversy. She didn't care about morals THEN, did she?
Regardless of what her motives were (and I seriously question them) in speaking out, the fact is she isn't going to be taken seriously since she herself practices the very things in her own songs that she speaks against.
Pleeeeese if this was some white individual taking the catholic church to task and condeming them for the corruption that has been taking place within their own ranks ya'll would be bigging them up dispite whether they had a mixed up personal life or not i say give credit where credit is due man ,it took guts in my books for her to say the things she said against the catholic church.
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Posted: Monday December 29th, 2003 10:59 |
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markee wrote: Prince Hakeem wrote: markee wrote: @loveinjection
Maybe thats exactly why she did'nt decline to do the concert in the first place the fact that she could let more people be aware of the corruption that has been allowed to be taking place in the roman catholic institutions. I think it would be kind of stupid to go to a concert in vatican city and not be made aware of its corruption and exploitation ,it would be like you're endorsing ,supporting or turning a blind eye to the roman catholic churchs behaviour regarding these issues to start with .And whats being an adult got to do with what Lauryn Hill did ?truth is truth regardless ,good on her.
I agree with the others that she needs to clean up her own house before she slates other people.
Yes, truth is truth. But as a public figure your life is constantly scrutinised by the public and the way you conduct yourself in your personal life can have bearings on the credibility you have in the eyes of others. She notoriously lived a 'trifling' way of life with the son a legend AND Wyclef Jean - both married men - which was bound to stir up controversy. She didn't care about morals THEN, did she?
Regardless of what her motives were (and I seriously question them) in speaking out, the fact is she isn't going to be taken seriously since she herself practices the very things in her own songs that she speaks against.
Pleeeeese if this was some white individual taking the catholic church to task and condeming them for the corruption that has been taking place within their own ranks ya'll would be bigging them up dispite whether they had a mixed up personal life or not
And you know this how?
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Posted: Tuesday December 30th, 2003 11:31 |
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markee wrote
Pleeeeese if this was some white individual taking the catholic church to task and condeming them for the corruption that has been taking place within their own ranks ya'll would be bigging them up dispite whether they had a mixed up personal life or not
@Markee
I truly see where you are coming from and my stance on this is I have pure love for Lauryn and her music and I feel for her personal problems. But looking at this whole thing logically its what I said in my earlier post, you must know your enemies and know how and when to fight them. As Ladyday said this could be a timely marketing ploy but I personally feel it shows the current mental state of Lauryn. If she was on top form she would've made sure she had a more stronger platform to stand on before she made such "rightfully" comments. All she has done now is placed all the devils eyes on herself prior to her album release and even if she looks like she is going to slip before she even slips they are going to rip her apart like a pack of wolves. No I am not disputing what she said just the timing of when and how she said it. If she had said this after her first album when she was up there it would've had a greater impact but she is desperately trying to fight her way back. Since that speech I have heard countless radio presenters reading out the speech in full and summerising it as she has completely lost her mind...then followed by expressing her personal problems......will they now take her seriously. I hope her next album is 100 times better than the unplugged album and her music is slamming that it will pull her through because if its not then she has digged her own grave.
Also in response to your comment above I think the question you should firstly ask is that would we care if a white person spoke these words, are we simply looking at the big picture here and forseeing the possible repercussion of this should it go wrong for Ms Hill.
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Posted: Tuesday December 30th, 2003 18:35 |
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Well since you put it like that ,i'm inclined to agree i guess her timing could have been better but i still admire her for what she did it took guts to speak out the way she did.
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 14:11 |
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 I just wanted 2 write about lauryn hill because i have all her albums(deres only ) the miseduaction of lauryn hill i think is the best album of all tyme ive had it since i've been thirteen and every emotion i have ever felt i can link it 2 sum song on her album.
Just wanna ask does anyone know where shes gone?????i heard dat she is in a mental asylum???.........shame if it is..............
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Posted: Friday January 23rd, 2004 19:23 |
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Latisha_B wrote: I just wanted 2 write about lauryn hill because i have all her albums(deres only ) the miseduaction of lauryn hill i think is the best album of all tyme ive had it since i've been thirteen and every emotion i have ever felt i can link it 2 sum song on her album.
Just wanna ask does anyone know where shes gone?????i heard dat she is in a mental asylum???.........shame if it is..............
There are a few unsubstantiated stories about Lauryn but apparently the magazine, "Pride" have an article on her. It seems it's a combination of pressures of work, being let down by the father of her children which caused her to have a breakdown.
I believe she has completed a new album due out this year.
I wish her well
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I hope you are not a highly dedicated Christian because you might not want to know where shes been. If you wanna see a real black woman check the link.....
http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=2676
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| If lauryn hill was talking about the abuse on children by Cathoilic priests well then BIG HER UP!!! For once someone is speaking the truth of the Catholic faith and its purpose..............
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Yeh she told them right. Whens Lauryn gonna come back and drop something tight. Im a big fan of Wyclef cause the man got skills and so does Lauryn, right now just picturing the skill to develop of both of them would be crazy.
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| She looks a bit thin but I really hope she is now in a better place from the point of her career and personal life.
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she looks tired and sad in these pics........AAAAAND sh*t ON A STICK !!!!
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mmmm pics started gettin better as i scrolled down
what can i say. thas a real black woman. no horse weaves, fake korean nails, or bleached skin. 100% REAL. am feelin her. she gotta step up with her music tho. .
i will say she looks pretty with the full black features . like something hot outta africa around the 70s. new look, watch sistas jump on the bandwagon. well its about time, they stop c**k riding the westerners
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Posted: Sunday August 22nd, 2004 09:55 |
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She looks good, but it just goes to show how made up she was before (makeup and imaging), she looks more like Lauryn Hills lesser known sister, as I say she still looks pretty but before she looked beautiful.
P.S I don't agree that she looks like she's straight out of Africa she just looks African American (she doesn't really have the African features although they are not straight)
The girl standing next to her (with the jeans and cainrow) looks more like a straight off the plane African girl)Last edited on Sunday August 22nd, 2004 09:57 by chi
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She looks gorgeous!
as far as I know she was always slim, and maybe she is sad with all the drama her childrens father is giving her!
She looks more mature, but she will always be a classic beauty and If I was a guy well.....
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Posted: Sunday August 22nd, 2004 11:55 |
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MAYBE she is not getting enough sleep looking after the kids, her eyes are a little bit pale and dreary. she is still a nice looking lady though
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chi wrote: She looks good, but it just goes to show how made up she was before (makeup and imaging), she looks more like Lauryn Hills lesser known sister, as I say she still looks pretty but before she looked beautiful.
P.S I don't agree that she looks like she's straight out of Africa she just looks African American (she doesn't really have the African features although they are not straight)
The girl standing next to her (with the jeans and cainrow) looks more like a straight off the plane African girl)
This statement makes no sense, what are African features? They change all over Africa depending on where one is from. You are stereotyping ALL Africans to look a certain way and they do not. Africans can look similiar to Lauryn Hill, Ashanti or Beyonce. I have seen many Africans who look exactly like African Americans. That is a sad comment. Furthermore, she has VERY West African features, a wide nose and very full lips. It seems like every pretty black girl out there someone finds a way to distance her from being AFRICAN featured, happens all of the time, makes no sense.
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Posted: Sunday August 22nd, 2004 16:29 |
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chi wrote: She looks good, but it just goes to show how made up she was before (makeup and imaging), she looks more like Lauryn Hills lesser known sister, as I say she still looks pretty but before she looked beautiful.
Umm not necessairly n e thing to do with make up and imaging, everyone has heard the things that have been going on in her life and they probably took a toll on her health and well being (including her looks). Also, she is older so it's not surprising she looks a bit different-still looking good though.
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Posted: Sunday August 22nd, 2004 22:44 |
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honeybun wrote: chi wrote: She looks good, but it just goes to show how made up she was before (makeup and imaging), she looks more like Lauryn Hills lesser known sister, as I say she still looks pretty but before she looked beautiful.
P.S I don't agree that she looks like she's straight out of Africa she just looks African American (she doesn't really have the African features although they are not straight)
The girl standing next to her (with the jeans and cainrow) looks more like a straight off the plane African girl)
This statement makes no sense, what are African features? They change all over Africa depending on where one is from. You are stereotyping ALL Africans to look a certain way and they do not. Africans can look similiar to Lauryn Hill, Ashanti or Beyonce. I have seen many Africans who look exactly like African Americans. That is a sad comment. Furthermore, she has VERY West African features, a wide nose and very full lips. It seems like every pretty black girl out there someone finds a way to distance her from being AFRICAN featured, happens all of the time, makes no sense.
Ofcourse Africans can look like anyone but I have never looked at Lauryn and wondered whether her parents are African (like I have with Eve) just because she has "a wide nose and full lips", having broad features doesn't mean you look like a "west African" or an African full stop (now your'e the one stereotyping what an African looks like) As far as African features and what I personally think of them, I am biased, I think African women are the most beautiful hands down within the black community ( in my opinion, Naomi and the rest cant even compete), why wouldn't I? I am Nigerian afterall (and look typically Igbo to boot, yes I said "typically Igbo"). So you really jumped the gun there didn't you? I know many Naija's who look like Beyonce (my Aunt included), so you're comment was wasted there, or do you think that I think the girl standing next to her is unnattractive and therefore I think she looks more African? or thats what you think, assumptions will get you nowhere.
I don't claim to know what all Africans look like but when you have been surrounded by them all your life and visit African countries you start to see similiarities in features which become "typical" not depending on where you are from but the people's you come from, the real indication is how they are put together not the fact that they are broad or straight, it's just my opinion and I stand by my statement whole heartedly.
You can say to me "what does an African look like" but let me tell you the amount if times I have had total strangers come up to me and not only identify my tribe correctly but the actual area I come from, just through my features, there are features which are specific to particular areas. I have done the same countless times also. Are you telling me that you were shocked to find out that Iman, Liyah Kebede and Alek Wek are East African? No because the way they look is very typical of that area of Africa, so it comes as no surprise, were you surprised to find out that june Sarpong is Ghanaian or that Caroline Chikezie is Nigerian, no, because they look it. Nobody is saying that it is a strict rule, but there are some features which are widely known within the African community as being from particular places. Obviously there are always exceptions.
lauryn hill does not remind me of an African women's features...................African American, but not African.....
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A bit thin, but still looks great, I am definitely feeling her hair.
I just hope she has sorted her self out for good.
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| I think she looks good but she looked wicked when she was in the fugees. In the 'killing me softly' video she looks fine! Her clothes and legs stand out.
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| LOOKS BEAUTIFUL! DIDNT AFRICAN SLAVES MOVE 2 AMERICA AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE CALLED AFRICAN AMERICAN! AS AFRICANS THAT WERE TAKEN TO THE CARRIBEAN, AFRICAN CARRIBEAN! SO IF YOU BLACK OR HAVE BLACK IN YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS BE OBVIOUS TO SOME PPL, THEY STILL AFRICAN!
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 15:38 |
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chi wrote: honeybun wrote: chi wrote: She looks good, but it just goes to show how made up she was before (makeup and imaging), she looks more like Lauryn Hills lesser known sister, as I say she still looks pretty but before she looked beautiful.
P.S I don't agree that she looks like she's straight out of Africa she just looks African American (she doesn't really have the African features although they are not straight)
The girl standing next to her (with the jeans and cainrow) looks more like a straight off the plane African girl)
This statement makes no sense, what are African features? They change all over Africa depending on where one is from. You are stereotyping ALL Africans to look a certain way and they do not. Africans can look similiar to Lauryn Hill, Ashanti or Beyonce. I have seen many Africans who look exactly like African Americans. That is a sad comment. Furthermore, she has VERY West African features, a wide nose and very full lips. It seems like every pretty black girl out there someone finds a way to distance her from being AFRICAN featured, happens all of the time, makes no sense.
Ofcourse Africans can look like anyone but I have never looked at Lauryn and wondered whether her parents are African (like I have with Eve) just because she has "a wide nose and full lips", having broad features doesn't mean you look like a "west African" or an African full stop (now your'e the one stereotyping what an African looks like) As far as African features and what I personally think of them, I am biased, I think African women are the most beautiful hands down within the black community ( in my opinion, Naomi and the rest cant even compete), why wouldn't I? I am Nigerian afterall (and look typically Igbo to boot, yes I said "typically Igbo"). So you really jumped the gun there didn't you? I know many Naija's who look like Beyonce (my Aunt included), so you're comment was wasted there, or do you think that I think the girl standing next to her is unnattractive and therefore I think she looks more African? or thats what you think, assumptions will get you nowhere.
I don't claim to know what all Africans look like but when you have been surrounded by them all your life and visit African countries you start to see similiarities in features which become "typical" not depending on where you are from but the people's you come from, the real indication is how they are put together not the fact that they are broad or straight, it's just my opinion and I stand by my statement whole heartedly.
You can say to me "what does an African look like" but let me tell you the amount if times I have had total strangers come up to me and not only identify my tribe correctly but the actual area I come from, just through my features, there are features which are specific to particular areas. I have done the same countless times also. Are you telling me that you were shocked to find out that Iman, Liyah Kebede and Alek Wek are East African? No because the way they look is very typical of that area of Africa, so it comes as no surprise, were you surprised to find out that june Sarpong is Ghanaian or that Caroline Chikezie is Nigerian, no, because they look it. Nobody is saying that it is a strict rule, but there are some features which are widely known within the African community as being from particular places. Obviously there are always exceptions.
lauryn hill does not remind me of an African women's features...................African American, but not African.....
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Posted: Monday August 23rd, 2004 22:08 |
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*$HaNnY_Bu* wrote: LOOKS BEAUTIFUL! DIDNT AFRICAN SLAVES MOVE 2 AMERICA AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE CALLED AFRICAN AMERICAN! AS AFRICANS THAT WERE TAKEN TO THE CARRIBEAN, AFRICAN CARRIBEAN! SO IF YOU BLACK OR HAVE BLACK IN YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS BE OBVIOUS TO SOME PPL, THEY STILL AFRICAN!
.............there is no debate about the fact that slaves were brought from Africa, but there is often a difference in features because of the purposed mixing of many different tribes and peoples (as well as races) over hundereds of years, which did not occur simultaneously in the Africa they left.
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