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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 02:28 |
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 02:50 |
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Well I've heard these same rumors that Halle Berry had the part!
Anyway, J.HO is of "African descent" too! Only J.ho claims to be a proud Puerto Rican and Latino and Halle claims to be "Black" and "Afro-American".
So I suppose the REAL fuss is that the woman playing the part CLAIM to be "Black"! b/c millions of Whites, Hispanics and Arabs are "of African descent".
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 03:15 |
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Apologies - obviously I'm more tired than I thought.
The J-Lo angle was from a much earlier story. However are you sure Halle Berry is tipped for Cleopatra Jones? Or is it Foxy Brown?
Anyway, I'll remove my original post (and go to bed!)
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 03:15 |
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By the way - does anyone know whether happened to the original Cleopatra Jones (Tamara Dobson):
Apparently her whereabouts are currently unknown...
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 08:41 |
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| Jennifer Lopez is NOT of african descent. her mother and father are puerto rican immigrants and their parents imigrated to Puerto Rico from Europe. (probably Spain)
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 12:56 |
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If the Cleopatra Jones remake ever happens, I hope they look towards a black actress like Angela Bassett:
While Halle Berry has played a secret agent before (as Jinx), I feel Angela Barrett would be better at projecting some righteous black anger.
Also I'm glad the J-Lo idea was knocked on the head (although another early rumour mentioned Whitney Houston for the role, which indicates that the early focus on this remake would be the soundtrack).
J-Lo was a bad idea - it would be a slap in the face to those black actresses who are better than her (and there are many!)
But as always, money talks...
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 17:53 |
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NO NO MY DEAR!
J.HO'S parents are NOT Spainish Immigrants to Puerto Rico. She is of PUERTO RICAN DESCENT!! And Sure she has "Spanish blood", however that would no more make her Spanish than her African and Asian blood would make her African or Asian!
LOL. I'm really falling out of my seat that you actually think J.HO is Spanish. She doesn't even look WHITE for Christ' Sakes! Her African ancestry is soooooooooo apperant in her round/button nose and high cheekbones! (shaking my head)
I can't recall where I heard it but she once finally ADMITTED that her Mother's mother is a BLACK Puerto Rican!!!
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I'm shocked that all these people on here claim to be "Uniting people from the African Dispora" and yet MOST people here don't even know the history of the African Dispora. BRAZIL WAS NOT THE ONLY LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRY TO GET AFRICAN SLAVES!!!!!!!!! ALL LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES RECIEVED AFRICAN SLAVES, AND MOST OF THESE COUNTRIES DID A GOOD JOB OF ABSORBING THEM INTO THE POPULATION (INCLUDING PUERTO RICO).
I also need to mention that in Latin America countries "race" is decided on your PHYSCIAL apperance and NOT your ancestry! For example Mariah Carey is at least 1/2- 1/4 Black, however sense she looks more European than anything she would be considered WHITE in Puerto Rico and the rest of Latin America. Mariah would not claimed to be "mixed" "Black" or consider herself "part of the African Dispora".............she would be WHITE plain and simple b/c of her looks!
J.lo is CONSIDERED White in Puerto Rico because she is light skinned! It has nothing to do with her African ancestry! She does not consider her self a "Black" woman b/c that is not how Puerto Ricans and other Latin Americans determine their "race". You would never call a "Latino" Black unless he or she was really, really dark and had really kinky hair, B/C if they don't then they are "mulatto" "morenos" "claras" "indios" etc..... Look at Christina Milian (she is American with 2 Cuban Parents) and she swears that she is not BLACK but a Latina, Cuban or Hispanic!! And OF COURSE she is "of African descent" but that has nothing to do with how Latin Americans see race!! She is brown skinned and has medium length hair- she does not want to be called "Black"! Its silly to believe that Sammy Sosa and Christina Millian do not consider themselves "Black" and identify themselves as being "of Latin American descent" that someone much lighter and with straighter hair like J.HO would call herself "Black" and claim to be "of African descent".............
( I suggest people on other histories other than Afro-American history that we've heard about one zillion times!Latin AMerican history is quite interesting and thought provoking- and yes this history is just as "black" as the Afro-American one).
Heres' about Puerto Rican admixture and Puerto Ricans being "Black" and "White":
http://interracialvoice.com/sweet4.html
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 18:18 |
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So are saying Jo Lo is African American?
Well I never knew that.......I always thought she was Latino-American or something like that.
By the way, you better point it out to her, because I think she is under the mistaken belief (as I was) that she is Latino.
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 18:19 |
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I sick of these rapers/singers taking the acting jobs
Sorry, but it is not even proven that Rappers/singers bring to them guaranteed audience, gigili any1??. J-Ho was a huge star and the film still bombed. Not to mention all those other films starrimng Ja-rule, DMX, that gardly lit up the box office
I wanna a sexy fearsome ''unknown'' black woman to be foxy brown. As pretty as Halle is, she can never be as alluring as Grier in her prime
If they can cast an ''unknown''for the new Superman movie. why not foxy brown
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 18:22 |
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Its funny you people on blacknet keep screaming that the woman should be "Black". lol. You have no idea just how many Americans much, much Whiter looking than J.HO consider themselves "Afro-American" and "Black". That is the beef I have with people just THROWING OUT the word "Black". WHAT AND WHO IS "BLACK" VARIES FROM COUNTRY TO COUNTRY (INCLUDING THE UK)
All these women CLAIMS to be "Black" AFRO-AMERICANS:
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 18:37 |
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Backatya wrote: @ iam_smartypants
So are saying Jo Lo is African American?
Well I never knew that.......I always thought she was Latino-American or something like that.
By the way, you better point it out to her, because I think she is under the mistaken belief (as I was) that she is Latino.
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I never said she was "African-American". Hell I'm not even "African-American"! The piont is she can be no more "Spanish American" than she can be African or Asian American. All 3 of which are in her background being a Puerto Rican.
I thought I'd bring that part up since 95% of the people on here OBVIOUSLY don't know ANYTHING about Latin American countries & and any history that isn't Afro-American!
And FYI: to all the (united blacks):
1. You do not have to be dark skinned or with kinky hair to be "of African descent".
2. If you know anything about Mendel's Pea Plants & gene expressions you'll also know that you can be mostly "black" in hertiage and have straight hair or light skin!
3. You can be mostly "black" in hertiage and "look white" for the most part.
4. Possessing more 'white blood" only INCREASES a persons' chances of looking European (just like having more Black blood INCREASES a person's chances of looking African), however it does NOT guarentee it!
5. looking "black" "white" or "latino" is in the eye of the beholder! What looks "black" to me might look "mixed" to someone else!
6. Each country comes up with its own standard for "race" based on the phenotype of ITS POPULATION. Using Puerto Rico's racial definition would work only in PR. Using America's racial definition works onlin in the U.S. Using Englands' definition of "race" works only in England...................get it? Its determined by the countries population! (and its silly to try to 'guess' someone else' hertiage based on YOUR COUNTRIES defintion of "black" and "white".)
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 18:47 |
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Actually my post was made a little tongue-in-cheek (i.e. having a bit of a laugh). Jo Lo's racial linkage is of no interest to me whatsoever as it happens.
Mind you I have seen some of your other posts and note your pre-occupation with anything race related, and since a lot of what you say makes no sense to me I am unlikely to debate much with you on Jo Lo's (or anybody's) race. 
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:35 |
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| no you're wrong. i have seen jennifer's grandparents and neither are african. i have also read her say in interviews that her parents were born in puerto rico, and her parents' parents were born in europe. you can also find that info on other sites. jennifer lopez couldn't consider herself black because neither of her parents are. her ancestry comes from europe. Last edited on Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:36 by soar85
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:38 |
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Backatya wrote: @ iam_smartypants
Actually my post was made a little tongue-in-cheek (i.e. having a bit of a laugh). Jo Lo's racial linkage is of no interest to me whatsoever as it happens.
Mind you I have seen some of your other posts and note your pre-occupation with anything race related, and since a lot of what you say makes no sense to me I am unlikely to debate much with you on Jo Lo's (or anybody's) race.
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I understand that my posts don't make much sense to MOST people on here b/c they have little knowledge about world history! They only know about their Afro-American idols they see on t.v.
For example its hard to inform everyone about latin american history in a 2 paragraph post! Its best for everyone to go to their library and READ FOR THEMSELVES about these histories or take a college course if its availabe in your area! Its simply too much information for me to pack into 1 post!!
Also, my other post are NOT meant to be mean. I was only trying to instill some kind of pride in African people here!!! Its seems everyone here does nothing but idolize Afro-American entainers and how "light skinn" they are.............
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:40 |
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I can't recall where I heard it but she once finally ADMITTED that her Mother's mother is a BLACK Puerto Rican!!!
Oh my stars and garters.... where do I begin??  lol
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:46 |
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soar85 wrote: no you're wrong. i have seen jennifer's grandparents and neither are african. i have also read her say in interviews that her parents were born in puerto rico, and her parents' parents were born in europe. you can also find that info on other sites. jennifer lopez couldn't consider herself black because neither of her parents are. her ancestry comes from europe.
LOL.
I never said her grandparents were AFRICAN. If you were looking for an African grandparent or for her to claim one then no wonder you got the information WRONG! And even without an article, surely you can tell this woman is not White!!!!
And as far as her 'having ancestors from Europe". Hell I HAVE ANCESTORS FROM EUROPE. DOES THAT MAKE ME A EUROPEAN- AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN?
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 19:54 |
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Jennifer Lopez claiming her anestors where from Europe is like Vanessa Williams claiming her ancestors were African . Sure both are CORRECT, but each one is LEAVING OUT their other ancestry b/c in Puerto Rico J.ho is considered White/Blanca and in American Vanessa is consider a Black Afro-American.
When Vanessa Williams says her ancestors were "from Africa". You take it with a grain of salt! You can look at her and tell ALL her ancestors certainly were not from Africa no more than all of Jennifer's ancestors were from Europe!!
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 20:40 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Well I've heard these same rumors that Halle Berry had the part!
Anyway, J.HO is of "African descent" too! Only J.ho claims to be a proud Puerto Rican and Latino and Halle claims to be "Black" and "Afro-American".
So I suppose the REAL fuss is that the woman playing the part CLAIM to be "Black"! b/c millions of Whites, Hispanics and Arabs are "of African descent".
halle berry has one black parent. jennifer lopez has two hispanic parents. halle is a woman of colour, jennifer is not. so are you seriously saying that jennifer should call herself black?
you keep mentioning jennifer is of african descent, but even if she is, does she have immediate african family? no. so why would she claim black? i have read many times that her grandparents are originally europeans. unless you have studies her family tree, you can't go by just her features.
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 21:37 |
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soar85 wrote: iam_smartypants wrote: Well I've heard these same rumors that Halle Berry had the part!
Anyway, J.HO is of "African descent" too! Only J.ho claims to be a proud Puerto Rican and Latino and Halle claims to be "Black" and "Afro-American".
So I suppose the REAL fuss is that the woman playing the part CLAIM to be "Black"! b/c millions of Whites, Hispanics and Arabs are "of African descent".
halle berry has one black parent. jennifer lopez has two hispanic parents. halle is a woman of colour, jennifer is not. so are you seriously saying that jennifer should call herself black?
you keep mentioning jennifer is of african descent, but even if she is, does she have immediate african family? no. so why would she claim black? i have read many times that her grandparents are originally europeans. unless you have studies her family tree, you can't go by just her features.
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1.)You obviously are not fimilar with Latin American history! "White" and "Black" are nothing more than skin colors in Latin America. Jennifer lopez is considered White in Puerto Rico b/c she is light skinned with straight hair!!! It has nothing to do with her ancestry!!! In America, Americans consider her Hispanic (and NOT WHITE). To my American eyes she does not look like a White person!! AGAIN, EACH COUNTRY AS ITS OWN DEFINITIONS OF WHITE AND BLACK!! SOME FOLKS THAT ARE CALLED WHITE IN PUERTO RICO WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED WHITE IN AMERICA. SOME FOLKS THAT ARE CALLED BLACK IN AMERICA WOULD NOT BE CONSIDER BLACK IN PUERTO RICO AND LATIN AMERICA...........................
2.)Hispanic, Asian and Blacks are "people of color" in America. What does that have to do with anything??
3.)Lastly, you do NOT have to have immediate African family to be of African descent. I have no immediate African family. All the non-AfroAmericans in my family are Asians and Whites who have MARRIED IN. Yet I do know that I am not "pure African". I am very aware I have plenty of non-Black anestry!
4.) I NEVER advocated J.ho call herself "Black". I only questioned the silliness of Carribean/African British screaming the person that plays the part should be "Black". The silliness of it being that the definition of "Black" in America is TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE DEFINTION OF BLACK IN AFRICA & THE CARRIBEAN. All the women I posted pictures above consider themselves "Black Americans". However African & Carribeans wouldn't understand how someone so "White looking" could get the part or would be considered "AFRO-AMERICAN". (Again) Standards of "Blackness" is totally different from US to African and the US to England! Black British should not be trying to judge themselves based on American ideologies and standards!
5.) You said I should not claim J.ho is not European just by looking at her features????lol. That is what EVERYBODY does on here. If you people didn't there wouldn't be hardly any threads! These boards are packed full of Afro-American celebs everyone argures about being "light skinned blacks". Most Africans or Carribeans have no idea what these people claim to be!
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 22:16 |
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i think you are making it more confusing than it needs to be. in the eyes of the majority public, jennifer lopez is hispanic. She is an american who has puerto rican parents.
you said all the pictures you posted are women who consider themselves black - i assume you are excluding jennifer, cos she sure hell don't. and neither does anyone else.
i can agree with you that different countries probably do vary on their definitions of black and white. but jennifer lopez is not a black woman and i think most would agree on that.
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 22:29 |
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iam_smartypants wrote:
......I was only trying to instill some kind of pride in African people here!!! Its seems everyone here does nothing but idolize Afro-American entainers and how "light skinn" they are.............
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I just found another reason why I am unlikely to debate much with you on anything. Based on the comments above, you chat pure s**te.
Trying to instill some kind of pride in African people here?
We do nothing but idolize Afro-American entertainers with light skin?
What are Afro-Americans by the way, I thought an afro was a hairstyle?
Then you want to go into some long diatribe about Jo Lo....For what purpose? To instill some African pride in us here?
You say you can understand your post don't make sense. I should think so. Not only do you seem to be reading a completely different forum board to Blacknet, your thinking is all over the place.
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 23:11 |
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Backatya wrote: iam_smartypants wrote:
......I was only trying to instill some kind of pride in African people here!!! Its seems everyone here does nothing but idolize Afro-American entainers and how "light skinn" they are.............
@ iam_smartypants
I just found another reason why I am unlikely to debate much with you on anything. Based on the comments above, you chat pure s**te.
Trying to instill some kind of pride in African people here?
We do nothing but idolize Afro-American entertainers with light skin?
What are Afro-Americans by the way, I thought an afro was a hairstyle?
Then you want to go into some long diatribe about Jo Lo....For what purpose? To instill some African pride in us here?
You say you can understand your post don't make sense. I should think so. Not only do you seem to be reading a completely different forum board to Blacknet, your thinking is all over the place.
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FYI: An "ethnicity" is nothing more than a NAME people of similar orgins/cultures/hertiage call their community.
They can refer to themselves as "Green" if they want!
...................Honestly, I can tell you are not Afro-American and have no history outside of MTV celebs. And this is preciously why I have a problem with African & Carribeans trying to claim the Afro-American ethnicity! It makes no sense to claim something you have no idea about!!!
And for future knowledge: Afro-American is an ETHNICITY & NOT A RACE!!!
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Posted: Sunday February 20th, 2005 23:16 |
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soar85 wrote: i think you are making it more confusing than it needs to be. in the eyes of the majority public, jennifer lopez is hispanic. She is an american who has puerto rican parents.
you said all the pictures you posted are women who consider themselves black - i assume you are excluding jennifer, cos she sure hell don't. and neither does anyone else.
i can agree with you that different countries probably do vary on their definitions of black and white. but jennifer lopez is not a black woman and i think most would agree on that.
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I did not include jennifer in the pictures of WHITE LOOKING women of Afro-American hertiage. I only posted those pictures to make a piont how "Blackness" varies from country to country and how SILLY it was for people with orgins and history from another country to try to impose their standards of "blackness" on another country!!
And yes, we agree Jennifer Lopez does not consider herself Black!!! But we should also agree that that is her PERSONAL DECISION not to be Black b/c she is of African descent!
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