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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 08:40 |
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Seriously, you need to find African role models and women or SOMETHING..............that you can take pride in!!! Living off the age old accomplishments of Afro-Americans (and staring googly eyed hoping to LOOK LIKE the Afro-American celebs on MTV) will not help you any!!!! That's some real accomplishments you people have made, living in crime ridden ghettos, calling yourselves by racist terms, portraying your women as whores and making the whole of black people look like criminals. Actually I would be more than happy to have you people taken out of the black race because as far as I'm concerned, you give us a bad name. If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have people thinking that all black people live on welfare and are criminals. Get over yourself because Africans don't give a f**k about you. That is why they separate themselves from you when they come here. My mother wouldn't even let me my sister date an African American when she went to the states because she has a bad impression of you people.
Again, what a blanant contradiction this is for an African to claim to be "glad to have Afro-American REMOVED from the Black race" yet continously refers to such people as AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!
JUST ADMIT IT GIRL, YOU USE THE TERM AFRICAN-AMERICAN AS TO MAKE IT AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO DISTINIGUSH AFRICANS FROM PEOPLE OF AFRO-AMERICAN DESCENT!!!!
AGAIN, stop calling AFRO-AMERICANS "African-Americans" and after a while people will HAVE to see the BIG DIFFERENCES in hard working Africans like you and ignorant, ghetto ASS Afro-Americans..............- as if looks, names, and hertiage won't do it anyway
However you WON'T do it, nor want to, because I'm sure you are more than FLATTERED as is your mother to be told you LOOK Afro-American!! So I'm certain you have no intention of doing the slightest thing that might JEOPARDIZE an African being connected with the Afro-American population.....
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 12:36 |
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Aiight, things as I see them....
@ Aryek (sp?)...
Whereas you do have some valid points, taking out your offense at some of Smartypants' silly comments on all black Americans is not the way to go. Not all of us live in the ghetto, not all of us are in jail... and Blacks ARE NOT the biggest recipients of welfare... that is media propoganda that the rest of the world sees of America. The way you think we are loud, ignorant, and uneducated... the same way some of us see Africans as smelly, loud, and poor... It is BS we are fed from the media. It isn't the truth! I did not grow up in the ghetto... and even if a black person does grow up there, not all of them turn out the way you think. I try to keep an open mind about Africans and it hurts that some won't do the same. We could learn a lot from each other, but instead we all make the mistake of having these preconceived notions. As far as Jennifer Beals being considered white... it has less to do with her parents, and more to do with the fact that her being mixed was never publicized to an extent to change peoples' perception of her. She was passing by keeping quiet pretty much (if you look white and say nothing to the contrary, then so be it). Mariah Carey's business was aired... white people have a different view on her. Vanessa Williams isn't directly from a mixed union, only one of her parents is directly mixed, which is why she identifies the way she does. White Americans DO NOT think Vanessa Williams is white... they think she has white in her, but they will not call her a white woman. America race classifications are twisted... but we know who made the rules and who constantly breaks them. What does it hurt if African Americans choose to be seen as black regardless of color? They are accepted. For us to reject a light skinned black for not being dark enough is for us to turn away family, no?
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As far as JLo.... Some latinos pull that shyt with saying "We aren't black... we are latino.. etc" and some blacks fall for it... those are mostly American Latinos though who think Latino= race. In their home countries, unless there is a cover-up about their black roots, they have racial divisions (Many mexicans don't believe there are black mexicans so they don't count them on censuses... same with Argentina...). A country that for the most part denies its blackness is Dominican Republic where even their history was revised to tell them that they were the product of Spaniards and Indios, and they have the saying "QUE MEJORAR LA RAZA"... in order to better the race, make lighter babies with less kinky hair, pretty much. They can't really help that they were fed this BS... they can change it though. JLo is generally considered to be mestizo (a mix of European and Native American- Likely Spaniard plus Taino). Rosie Perez is considered mulata. The Latin countries that don't deny their black heritage take on the identity as their own so that those of black heritage can't differentiate themselves (such as Cubans with many African ties... but since even white cubans claim those ties... it kind of pushes AfroCubans back to being just another Cuban). America relies on Latinos to see themselves as different from their American equals for several reasons. If latinos seperate themselves from the rest of America, White Americans don't have to accept the white ones as white, they do not have to make provisions for the indian ones nor will their presence empower American Native Americans, and black latinos and black americans stay divided. End of the day, it seems like a twisted plot. There are Latinos who take pride in being black, just as there are some who take pride in being white... the rest are mostly mixes.
Christina Milian and Sammy Sosa are just as black as your average African American (same mix, different Native Americans and White people)... only America and the whole hispanic pride and the general rejection of those things black would have you think otherwise. If speaking a different language make you a different race, let me know now. The reason you are confused as Dominican is because they are confused as to what they are themselves. Mexicans hate on themselves, can't decide if they are American, Chicano, Border Hoppers (not even a term I use), etc. I got that Dominican crap too (and Puerto Rican, and Honduran, and Panamena).... That is because you can be black and Puerto Rican. That is like thinking all Americans are white.
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 18:11 |
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iam smartypants:
Don't think i'm buying this for ONE SECOND!
If you want to seperate yourself from AFRO-AMERICANS that badly (and your family as well thought so badly of them) then you would STOP/CEASE using the term AFRICAN-AMERICAN!! One does not "seperate" themselves by calling themselves African and someone else African American What else do you expect me to call you by when you are the ones who refer to yourselves as African Americans? Invent a new name for yourselves and I will stop calling you that. I call whites white because that is what they call themselves, I call Asians, Asian because that is how they refer to themselves, therefore I call African Americans, African Americans because they call themselves, okay. That is all there is to it, don't be an idiot.
However you have no intention nor wish to SEPERATE yourself from the loud, ignorant, ghetto people as you claim. (in fact its obvious you look up to us) Really, please show me some proof of how I look up to you. Believe me there are better people out there for me to look up to than a bunch of hood rats with such little class. If I wanted to interact with African Americans I wouldn't be on a black British site, I would be on one of your trashy sites.
So lets face it!! This is nothing but a post that's suppose to get me all worked up and upset!! However I find it quite contradictory instead!!
And I almost laughed outloud when you said your mom wouldn't allow your sister to date an Afro-American male. LOL. I'm Afro-American and I know for a fact MOST AFRO-American males have no intentions of ever dating an AFRICAN woman!! So if we're suppose to be "getting honest" then let's be HONEST!!!Really, is that why I had men from New York and L.A. asking for my number when I went to Caribbana a few years ago in the states? Is that how, these men were practically running my sister down when she went to live in the states? Is that how I have heard some of your men refering to their women as manly and not feminine like Africans? Please tell me why most of your men date outside of their race while most of ours date their own country women?
And one last thing!!! If the Africans you speak of are so intelligent and so hard working ( even HALF AS MUCH as YOU claim) then Africa wouldn't be the AIDS infested, war zone, starvation continent that it is TODAY!!! So let's not go there honey!! LOL. Afro-Americans if they put their money together would be the 7th richest country in the world. If all Africans but their money together they'd have enough food to last a monthThey may be suffering in Africa but when they come to the West they end up doing way better than any of you will ever do. The average African in the US is not a ghetto hood rat like most of your people.
Why the hell else are you BEGGING other folks to call themselves African.
Know one wants to be African, INCLUDING AFRICANS!!! Seeing how most of you are walking around calling yourself latino, none of you want to be African Americans either. And who is begging a bunch of hood rats to call themselves African? Sorry but we'd rather not want to attach ourselves to people who make up the majority of welfare recepients. And are you not the ones calling yourself Nubians? What exactly do you have to do with Nubia? Why not stick to your own African American history and stop borrowing ours. Oh but I forgot, it's not very uplifting when most your history has to do with slavery, segregation, rape, murder, KKK setting fire to your churches and the like.
So go sit down little girl with your foolishness! At the end of the day I'm Afro-Amerian and you're African!!! I have nothing to convince you and you have nothing to prove nor convince me!!Honey, you're the foolish one. And yes at the end of the day I would prefer to be African while you remain an African American because then at least I know that I have nothing to do with a bunch of ignorant criminals. You think being an African American is such a prestigious thing then why are you lot running around claiming to be latino and native American? Haha, I almost died of laughter a few years ago when I read about how an Aboriginal tribe in the US rejected a bunch of African Americans who wanted to join their tribe because they claimed to have ancestors from the tirbe. Funny how, these same Aboriginals will accept white people in their midsts but when it comes to you lot, they will deny you having any connection with them. If you can't find acceptance with people who are known for rampant alcoholism, suicide and spousal abuse, then that really says something about you, now doesn't it? And are you people not the same ones moving to West Africa to get away from racism and begging us to call you Africans?
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/view_topic.php?id=7301&forum_id=9&highlight=African+Americans+in+Ghana
Go figure, how many Africans do you see begging African Americans to consider them African Americans?
I'm done haggling with you, you are an idiot who thinks that you have some kind of a superior status over Africans because some white person did you a favour and raped a few of your ancestors. Well good luck with your foolishness because no African wants to be attach to you ignorant fools. Me want to be an African American, ha!
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 18:24 |
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iam_smartypants wrote:
Seriously, you need to find African role models and women or SOMETHING..............that you can take pride in!!! Living off the age old accomplishments of Afro-Americans (and staring googly eyed hoping to LOOK LIKE the Afro-American celebs on MTV) will not help you any!!!! That's some real accomplishments you people have made, living in crime ridden ghettos, calling yourselves by racist terms, portraying your women as whores and making the whole of black people look like criminals. Actually I would be more than happy to have you people taken out of the black race because as far as I'm concerned, you give us a bad name. If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't have people thinking that all black people live on welfare and are criminals. Get over yourself because Africans don't give a f**k about you. That is why they separate themselves from you when they come here. My mother wouldn't even let me my sister date an African American when she went to the states because she has a bad impression of you people.
Again, what a blanant contradiction this is for an African to claim to be "glad to have Afro-American REMOVED from the Black race" yet continously refers to such people as AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!
JUST ADMIT IT GIRL, YOU USE THE TERM AFRICAN-AMERICAN AS TO MAKE IT AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO DISTINIGUSH AFRICANS FROM PEOPLE OF AFRO-AMERICAN DESCENT!!!!
AGAIN, stop calling AFRO-AMERICANS "African-Americans" and after a while people will HAVE to see the BIG DIFFERENCES in hard working Africans like you and ignorant, ghetto ASS Afro-Americans..............- as if looks, names, and hertiage won't do it anywayHoney
anything with Afro in it also pretains to Africans so what is your point? That is where the word comes from you know, don't be an idiot. And like I said, I call African Americans, African Americans because that is what I have heard the vast majority of them refering to themselves as and that is the term that my sociology book uses when they're talking about you people.
Afro:
1) a hairstyle that takes advantage of very curly hair by leaving it bushy and clipping it into any of various rounded shapes.
2) combining form i) African: An Afro-American is an American of African descent
Afro-Asian: having to do with, or involving both Africa and Asia.
Anyway you look at it the term Afro, pertains to Africa so whether or not I call you African Americans or Afro-American is the same damn thing. Why don't you invent a name for yourselves that has nothing to do with Africa as I am not the one who made up these names, your people did.
However you WON'T do it, nor want to, because I'm sure you are more than FLATTERED as is your mother to be told you LOOK Afro-American!! So I'm certain you have no intention of doing the slightest thing that might JEOPARDIZE an African being connected with the Afro-American population.....
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 18:35 |
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child of darkness wrote: Aiight, things as I see them....
@ Aryek (sp?)...
Whereas you do have some valid points, taking out your offense at some of Smartypants' silly comments on all black Americans is not the way to go. Not all of us live in the ghetto, not all of us are in jail... and Blacks ARE NOT the biggest recipients of welfare... that is media propoganda that the rest of the world sees of America. The way you think we are loud, ignorant, and uneducated... the same way some of us see Africans as smelly, loud, and poor... It is BS we are fed from the media. It isn't the truth! I did not grow up in the ghetto... and even if a black person does grow up there, not all of them turn out the way you think. I try to keep an open mind about Africans and it hurts that some won't do the same. We could learn a lot from each other, but instead we all make the mistake of having these preconceived notions. As far as Jennifer Beals being considered white... it has less to do with her parents, and more to do with the fact that her being mixed was never publicized to an extent to change peoples' perception of her. She was passing by keeping quiet pretty much (if you look white and say nothing to the contrary, then so be it). Mariah Carey's business was aired... white people have a different view on her. Vanessa Williams isn't directly from a mixed union, only one of her parents is directly mixed, which is why she identifies the way she does. White Americans DO NOT think Vanessa Williams is white... they think she has white in her, but they will not call her a white woman. America race classifications are twisted... but we know who made the rules and who constantly breaks them. What does it hurt if African Americans choose to be seen as black regardless of color? They are accepted. For us to reject a light skinned black for not being dark enough is for us to turn away family, no?
I agree with what you are saying however, you have to understand that if smartypants wants to come to me with her ignorant crap, then I will let her know exactly what Africans think of her. I shouldn't have been so harsh and take my anger on all African Americans as there are both good and bad people amongst them, so for that I apologize to you and other like minded African Americans.
@Smartypants and others
As far as JLo.... Some latinos pull that shyt with saying "We aren't black... we are latino.. etc" and some blacks fall for it... those are mostly American Latinos though who think Latino= race. In their home countries, unless there is a cover-up about their black roots, they have racial divisions (Many mexicans don't believe there are black mexicans so they don't count them on censuses... same with Argentina...). A country that for the most part denies its blackness is Dominican Republic where even their history was revised to tell them that they were the product of Spaniards and Indios, and they have the saying "QUE MEJORAR LA RAZA"... in order to better the race, make lighter babies with less kinky hair, pretty much. They can't really help that they were fed this BS... they can change it though. JLo is generally considered to be mestizo (a mix of European and Native American- Likely Spaniard plus Taino). Rosie Perez is considered mulata. The Latin countries that don't deny their black heritage take on the identity as their own so that those of black heritage can't differentiate themselves (such as Cubans with many African ties... but since even white cubans claim those ties... it kind of pushes AfroCubans back to being just another Cuban). America relies on Latinos to see themselves as different from their American equals for several reasons. If latinos seperate themselves from the rest of America, White Americans don't have to accept the white ones as white, they do not have to make provisions for the indian ones nor will their presence empower American Native Americans, and black latinos and black americans stay divided. End of the day, it seems like a twisted plot. There are Latinos who take pride in being black, just as there are some who take pride in being white... the rest are mostly mixes.
Christina Milian and Sammy Sosa are just as black as your average African American (same mix, different Native Americans and White people)... only America and the whole hispanic pride and the general rejection of those things black would have you think otherwise. If speaking a different language make you a different race, let me know now. The reason you are confused as Dominican is because they are confused as to what they are themselves. Mexicans hate on themselves, can't decide if they are American, Chicano, Border Hoppers (not even a term I use), etc. I got that Dominican crap too (and Puerto Rican, and Honduran, and Panamena).... That is because you can be black and Puerto Rican. That is like thinking all Americans are white.
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 19:09 |
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Ayrek,
You are telling an absolute LIE!
99% of people of Afro-American descent call themselves "Blacks" or "Black Americans" and NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN". This is a politcally correct term Jesse Jackson thought of 20 years ago (in the 1980's).
Afro-Americans DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT, walk around calling themselves "African-American" as you hope to believe!!!!!
In fact I know many, many Afro-Americans who are quick to tell you that they are NOT African-American , they are "Black".
African American
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
African Americans, also known as Afro-Americans or Black Americans, are an ethnic group in the United States of America whose ancestors, usually in predominant part, were indigenous to Sub-Saharan and West Africa. The majority of African Americans are of African, and (usually) Native American ancestry. Many African Americans also have European ancestors.
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history include Negroes, colored, blacks and Afro-Americans. Negro and colored are now less commonly used and considered by many to be dated, if not derogatory. African American, black and, to a lesser extent, Afro-American, are used interchangeably today but often incorrectly. The term African American, as originally coined, refers to only those descended from a relative handful of black, colonial indentured servants and the estimated 10 to 11 million Africans who arrived in the U.S. as slaves. In slightly broader usage, the term also includes black, West Indian immigrants, whose African ancestors also survived the Middle Passage. "African American" generally does not include Afro-Latinos, who tend to use the term "Latino" or "Hispanic," or to recent African immigrants, who usually adopt country-of-origin identifiers. However, the term properly can be applied to nearly all black citizens of the United States.
The term AfricanAmerican came about because of the Fraud Jesse Jackson and other 'black leadership'. He actually wanted all "Black Immigrants" under his control! The funny thing is that Afro-American leadership does NOTHING for Black immigrants nor 'Africans'. I see no reason why REAL Africans would accpect a conartist taking their name!!!
Lastly, you claim you only call Afro-Americans "African Americans" because that is what they call themselves:
L I A R!!!!!
They call themselves "Black" in everyday life. They refer to African Immigrants as "African" and West Indians by their country orgin!!!!!!
lol. Afro-Americans do not walk around call themselves African-American!!! What a joke!!!
If you honestly did as much reading, and had HALF of the knowledge you claim about our history than you would know THE TERM AFRO-AMERICAN was very popular before that snake in the grass Jesse Jackson changed it!!!!
The term Afro-American was popularized when Pam Grier, Richared Pryor, Jackson 5 and other AA celebrities started wearing the AFRO HAIRSTYLE!!!
So the term AFRO-AMERICAN became popularized!!!
Again, you are LYING!!!
If you wanted to seperate yourself from people of Afro-American descent you would stop calling them African-American, something they don't call themselves in everyday life!!!!
The piont of an African using the term is NOT to be able to distinguish nor show differences in the 2!!!
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 21:13 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Ayrek,
You are telling an absolute LIE!
99% of people of Afro-American descent call themselves "Blacks" or "Black Americans" and NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN". This is a politcally correct term Jesse Jackson thought of 20 years ago (in the 1980's).
Afro-Americans DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT, walk around calling themselves "African-American" as you hope to believe!!!!! I could care less what you people call yourself. I only used the term because that is what I have seen many of them refering to themselves as and that is what white Canadians call you in their test books. If you have a problem with that then take it up with them and while you are at it, why don't you refer to yourselves as something that has nothing to do with Africa. Stop using the term afro for instance as it pertains to Africa.
In fact I know many, many Afro-Americans who are quick to tell you that they are NOT African-American , they are "Black". So you have provided me with an annecdotale evidence and therefore that represents the whole population? You need to make up your mind what you want to be called so others don't get confused. One day it's N****r, another time it's black American, then it's African American and now Afro-American. Stop confusing people with mixed messages, have a conference or something and decide what exactly you want to be called.
African American
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African Americans, also known as Afro-Americans or Black Americans, are an ethnic group in the United States of America whose ancestors, usually in predominant part, were indigenous to Sub-Saharan and West Africa. The majority of African Americans are of African, and (usually) Native American ancestry. Many African Americans also have European ancestors.
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history include Negroes, colored, blacks and Afro-Americans. Negro and colored are now less commonly used and considered by many to be dated, if not derogatory. African American, black and, to a lesser extent, Afro-American, are used interchangeably today but often incorrectly. The term African American, as originally coined, refers to only those descended from a relative handful of black, colonial indentured servants and the estimated 10 to 11 million Africans who arrived in the U.S. as slaves. In slightly broader usage, the term also includes black, West Indian immigrants, whose African ancestors also survived the Middle Passage. "African American" generally does not include Afro-Latinos, who tend to use the term "Latino" or "Hispanic," or to recent African immigrants, who usually adopt country-of-origin identifiers. However, the term properly can be applied to nearly all black citizens of the United States.
The term AfricanAmerican came about because of the Fraud Jesse Jackson and other 'black leadership'. He actually wanted all "Black Immigrants" under his control! The funny thing is that Afro-American leadership does NOTHING for Black immigrants nor 'Africans'. I see no reason why REAL Africans would accpect a conartist taking their name!!!
Lastly, you claim you only call Afro-Americans "African Americans" because that is what they call themselves:
L I A R!!!!!
They call themselves "Black" in everyday life. They refer to African Immigrants as "African" and West Indians by their country orgin!!!!!!
lol. Afro-Americans do not walk around call themselves African-American!!! What a joke!!! Stop getting so worked up over this, I don't care what you call yourselves just make it clear what you prefer to be called and I will be more than happy to oblige. It does get a little tireing when people have to figure out what to call you as you keep changing your name. What's with all the name changes? Can't you figure out what to call ourselves? Next you'll have another one of your people coming on here telling me that they would like to refer to themselves as Latino. Make up your damn minds.
If you honestly did as much reading, and had HALF of the knowledge you claim about our history than you would know THE TERM AFRO-AMERICAN was very popular before that snake in the grass Jesse Jackson changed it!!!! You see I don't really give much of a care about your history therefore I do not pay attention to everything that happens in your history. I have my own history to think about.
The term Afro-American was popularized when Pam Grier, Richared Pryor, Jackson 5 and other AA celebrities started wearing the AFRO HAIRSTYLE!!!
So the term AFRO-AMERICAN became popularized!!!
Again, you are LYING!!! You're getting a little touchy there now aren't you, have I ruffled up some of your feathers?
If you wanted to seperate yourself from people of Afro-American descent you would stop calling them African-American, something they don't call themselves in everyday life!!!! Well seeing as how I'm not living in America, I already have nothing to do with you but I don't like how Africans have to suffer the same stereotypes that your culture has created when we are nothing like you. If we are separate, then we can deal with our own problems and not have to deal with people we don't have anything in common with.
The piont of an African using the term is NOT to be able to distinguish nor show differences in the 2!!!
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 21:42 |
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Aryek,
Don't worry. I seriously doubt the term "African-American" will even with stand the census another 20 or 30 years! It will definetly HIT THE ROAD in my lifetime I'm sure!!!!
This name change problem keeps according because of the constant change of Afro-American leadership (Afro-American meaning Americans who are the descendant of the American chattel and the Civil Rights movement and named themselves such b/c of the popularity of the Afro & NOT Africa).Afro-American is similar to the word WEST INDIAN. It is derived from a historical prespective not an ACUTAL HERTIAGE OR PLACE!!!
Anyway, more and more Americans are starting to check Multiply races boxes. The Afro-American leadership soon will not be able to "hold" all these people by using the term "African-American". Multracial Americans are beginning to say "I have European and Native American hertiage as well".
So what in 1980 Jesse thought could be used to gain MORE politcial clout will ultimately BACKFIRE ON HIM. He will have no choice very soon but to change this incorrect terminology "African-American".
Hopefully we will go back to the old term Afro-American, but that is not guarenteed. i believe the term brought unity to the Afro-American people b/c it was based on something we saw as a symbol of our people : The Afro!
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 22:21 |
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iam_smartypants wrote: Aryek,
Don't worry. I seriously doubt the term "African-American" will even with stand the census another 20 or 30 years! It will definetly HIT THE ROAD in my lifetime I'm sure!!!!
This name change problem keeps according because of the constant change of Afro-American leadership (Afro-American meaning Americans who are the descendant of the American chattel and the Civil Rights movement and named themselves such b/c of the popularity of the Afro & NOT Africa).Afro-American is similar to the word WEST INDIAN. It is derived from a historical prespective not an ACUTAL HERTIAGE OR PLACE!!!
Anyway, more and more Americans are starting to check Multiply races boxes. The Afro-American leadership soon will not be able to "hold" all these people by using the term "African-American". Multracial Americans are beginning to say "I have European and Native American hertiage as well".
So what in 1980 Jesse thought could be used to gain MORE politcial clout will ultimately BACKFIRE ON HIM. He will have no choice very soon but to change this incorrect terminology "African-American".
Hopefully we will go back to the old term Afro-American, but that is not guarenteed. i believe the term brought unity to the Afro-American people b/c it was based on something we saw as a symbol of our people : The Afro!
Fair enough, now lets stop this foolish argument. If you wish to be called Afro-American then that is the term I will use.
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Posted: Tuesday March 1st, 2005 22:49 |
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I sympathise with Black Americas desire to distance itself from Africans. Black Americans and other Diasporan Blacks have nothing in common with Africans.
They don't look alike, think alike, or act alike. We already have a right to to stay in our respective Western nations and Africans DON'T.
Great that the descendants of Africans who sold their brethren to whites are now desperate to come among those same whites.
LOL
It is Africans who are desperate to escape Africa for the West. Non-African Blacks certainly don't want to be confused with the illegal immigrants, refugees, aids cases, famine victims, who are scrambling to get into Western nations.
A question for Africans
How many Africans would stay in Africa if every single African was given a free pass to the West?
Will the last African to leave please turn the lights out.
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Posted: Wednesday March 2nd, 2005 00:10 |
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 Aryek : I have replied to you before about misconceptions of Black Americans. I can really tell you as a Black American I am tired of people saying that we don't have role models. I think you are full of yourself and you need to look down apon someone to make yourself feel better. I am African American and I really don't see how Continental Africans have more self -esteem than Western Blacks. From my observations when it comes to feeeling good about our Blackness , it is about the same.
There are alot of Africans and Diasporic Africans rushing to produce children from Whites and Non Blacks. So you cannot give me all this pride in ones Culture,which many immigrants preach when they want to look down on people from different cultures. Then within the same breathe A White Person can tell you sweet lies,and many of you will buy into it.
Iam Glad that you are honest with your opinions,but I think you are just as bad as you are Claiming My People to be.
If you want people to respect your culture, you must respect theirs. As far as African Culture goes, I really don't see all these big differences that suppose to be there other than Lang.and Food.
Back to Jennifer Lopez. She actually wears alot of Weave and her hair texture is AFro-Curly. She wears just as much Fake hair as Beyonce' and Straightens her hair often enough. I really am not a fan of hers at all.
The reality is African people like previously has been said live all over Latin America and not all of them are so-called mullatoes or mestizoes either.
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Posted: Wednesday March 2nd, 2005 04:37 |
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outlaw. wrote: I sympathise with Black Americas desire to distance itself from Africans. Black Americans and other Diasporan Blacks have nothing in common with Africans.
They don't look alike, think alike, or act alike. We already have a right to to stay in our respective Western nations and Africans DON'T.
Great that the descendants of Africans who sold their brethren to whites are now desperate to come among those same whites.
LOL
It is Africans who are desperate to escape Africa for the West. Non-African Blacks certainly don't want to be confused with the illegal immigrants, refugees, aids If it hasn't occurred to you dumbo, Immigration officials do not allow anyone with an infections disease to immigrate to their countries therefore Africans who come here do not have aids, they are screened for diseases just like everybody else. Don't be a dumbass. And in case you don't know, many of your own people are immigrating to West Africa to find better lives and escape racism. Just read this thread and stop being so ignorant.
http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/view_topic.php?id=7301&forum_id=9&highlight=African+Americans+in+Ghana
And while Africans who immigrate here have no cases of aids, black Americans have the highest rate of aids in America. http://salt.claretianpubs.org/sjnews/2001/07/sjn0107c.html
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
cases, famine victims, who are scrambling to get into Western nations.
A question for Africans
How many Africans would stay in Africa if every single African was given a free pass to the West?
Will the last African to leave please turn the lights out.
LOL!
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tab wrote: Aryek : I have replied to you before about misconceptions of Black Americans. I can really tell you as a Black American I am tired of people saying that we don't have role models. I think you are full of yourself and you need to look down apon someone to make yourself feel better. I am African American and I really don't see how Continental Africans have more self -esteem than Western Blacks. From my observations when it comes to feeeling good about our Blackness , it is about the same.
Funny how you keep telling me about misconceptions of Black Americans yet you say nothing to the black Americans on this site you hold misconceptions about Aficans. Why don't you say anything to these people yet you have the time to keep telling Africans to stop being prejudice?
There are alot of Africans and Diasporic Africans rushing to produce children from Whites and Non Blacks. Yes there are, but there are far fewer Africans doing this than black Americans. So you cannot give me all this pride in ones Culture,which many immigrants preach when they want to look down on people from different cultures. Then within the same breathe A White Person can tell you sweet lies,and many of you will buy into it. I'm not preaching anything to look down on black Americans. I don't live in America, I live in Canada where most of the black people are from the Caribbean so what do I have to do with black Americans? The only problem I have is with the black American people on this site who feel that they need to criticize Africa and Africans every chance they get yet turn around and get mad when you say something bad about them.
Iam Glad that you are honest with your opinions,but I think you are just as bad as you are Claiming My People to be.
If you want people to respect your culture, you must respect theirs. I never asked for anyone to respect my culture but if they feel that they need to criticize people that they don't even know, then I will give them a piece of my mind. I'm not one to sit around and watch people cuss my land and my people. I can accept constructive criticism of Africans but I will not put up with the kind of ignorance I have experienced on this site.
As far as African Culture goes, I really don't see all these big differences that suppose to be there other than Lang.and Food. No, it is language, food, familial organization, attitude and an overall outlook on life. The average black American is very different from the average African, that is maybe why there is so much misunderstanding and intolerance between us.
Back to Jennifer Lopez. She actually wears alot of Weave and her hair texture is AFro-Curly. She wears just as much Fake hair as Beyonce' and Straightens her hair often enough. I really am not a fan of hers at all.
The reality is African people like previously has been said live all over Latin America and not all of them are so-called mullatoes or mestizoes either.
Go to website ( http://www.mundoafrolatino.com)
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Posted: Wednesday March 2nd, 2005 15:22 |
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Aryek your hostility is showing . You make stupid comments about Black Americans then later you said that you live in Canada. If you don't want comments that are cruel to be said about you don't do that to other people.
My question to is , Why make inaccurate comments about us if you don't know much about us?
Another thing some of the negative comments are not all coming from Black Americans on this site. There are Blacks from other places have made comments about Africans including some Africans themselves who don't want to associate themselves with West africans.So, I think you need to look at other topics on this site because there are alot of people who never been to the places where other Blacks have lived ,yet they know so much negative things about them.
By the way , You made a serious comment about Black american Women being Raped. I don't thing it was Blessing or a Priviledge that some Black Women were Raped by White Men in America. That was the most insidious crime done to our Women. To add, the biggest criminals around the World are White Men not Black Americans.
I will not reply again to any of your comments. I just think it is sad that you critize others ,yet your comments are just as crazy as White Superemists Groups and others who post on the Internet.
Remember the Continent of Africa has been Raped and the Colonizers have you to believe you are soo much different from American Blacks ,which many of you are not.Your People also have been brainwashed as well as Blacks around the World,so get off that Arrogant Attitude.
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