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Posted: Sunday November 19th, 2006 00:26 |
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First scene is MBALE(LRA country),Uganda where guerillas have ethnically cleansed the countryside...ohh they are blacks
Cut to Madagascar, where a gathering of BLACK locals places bets on a fight between a python and a muskrat....and the BAD GUYS yes you bet they are 99% BLACK...of course they had more BLACK SECURITY GUARDS in Miami on a flip side M was sexed up and i wouldnt mind that booty...even though she is mature..the bond girl? she was rubbish i liked the first one though...i also liked Aston Martin and errrm thats it
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Posted: Sunday November 19th, 2006 13:03 |
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I saw this a few days ago was going to review it but forgot.
Anyway Bond always has to have its baddies,just so happens that a portion of them were African(as well as an assortment of swarthy Eastern European types) this time,plus not ALL the AfricanBlacks portrayed in the film were baddies,what about Jeffrey Wright the CIA agent??
I think it's a decent flick,i'm not crazy about Daniel Craig as Bond, from the neck down he is all that,but those ears*shudders*-however he can act!I prefer Brosnan in the role and think im just a bit miffed about how he was skanked out of the role.
All in all though some good action sequences but the whole love story was clumsily handled I think.
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Posted: Sunday November 19th, 2006 13:41 |
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Danger Will Robinson Spoiler Alert!!
It’s not until the first action set piece after the excellent opening credits that the producers and Sony the new holders of the rights to the Bond franchise’s decision to part company with Pierce Brosnan is fully understood. Perhaps feeling the pressure from younger fresher contenders to the spy action genre such as the Bourne identity and supremacy and to a lesser extent the mission impossible and XXX movies, Bond has been given a make over and a fresh start in the movie franchise. It is hard to imagine the aging Brosnan (suspension of disbelief, requires I not mention the stuntman) chasing the freerunning villain Mollaka (Sebastien Foucan), who people might recognise from the excellent “jump� documentaries such as jump London. For me this was by far the best and most thrilling sequence in the whole movie. The first half of Casino Royale has the feeling of a decent thriller/ detective film, and seems to divert away from the usual bond template (perhaps closer to the books? Those who have read them may know) the idea of gentleman spies and villains slugging it out in a casino seems to me very much stuck in the Ian Fleming era, Casino Royale manages to find a contemporary place for this by associating the money gained from games at the casino with the very current bombs, planes and terrorism. No direct reference is made to “jihadists� but the freerunning villain is described as not being a “true believer� which can be read to refer to current issues. Also those familiar with 9/11, 7/7 conspiracy theories would be familiar with the notion of suspicious stock market activities before major terrorist actions. Daniel Craig I think makes a good Bond, as usual a little early to tell on his first outing. He is not as smooth as Brosnan, but I believe him to have a wider range then his predecessor. He is a “hard-boiled� Bond. As with most other “heroes� Bond id often at his best with an appropriate super villain. In this case it was the "financier� Le Chielle (Mads Mikkelsen). I don’t think this quiet works as he seems more of a middleman then Mr Big. The puppet master Mr white (Jesper Christensen) who eliminates Mr Le Chielle is just not there enough in the movie and the “African dictator� Steven Obanno (Isaach De Bankole, to be seen in the up coming Toussaint) is eliminated too early on (he incidentally had the greatest potential to be the super villain. Hope they give Sam Jackson a call for the next one, the last really good villain was probably Christopher Walken’s Max Zorin in A View to a Kill. Apart from the scenes in the casino the most effective Bond vs. Le Chiffre scene is the homoerotic torture scene, just about everyone in the cinema burst out laughing when Le Chiffre, getting ready to torture a naked Bond compliments Bond on the state of his body before commencing torture on Bond’s balls. The Bond girl Vesper Lynd (Eva Green) was a wet blanket, nothing to her (like most of them anyway), they should have fired the make-up artists made her look awful, looked much better when she took it off. Jeffery Wright as Felix Leiter although a small part was good and hope to see him a lot more in future movies. Judi Dench as M as usual stole the show, good banter between her and Daniel Craig’s Bond already. Overall a good debut for Craig, and overhaul of the franchise. Director Martin Campbell, a veteran from Golden Eye keeps things ticking over. Craig does not utter the famous lines “The name's Bond. James Bond� until the last scene of the movie, straight after which John Barry’s famous tune is played for the first time. Bond is born Bond is back.
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Posted: Sunday November 19th, 2006 14:11 |
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Bond films are like Woody Allen films, aren't they? Every time one comes out, the word from the studio is that they've gone back to basics, (in a kind of best since Crimes and Misdemeanours way, or captures the joy of his early funny films) or some Bond girl comes out and says she's not like all the other Bond girls, this time she's Bond's equal. This has been happening for about 20 years. I don't know why I'm falling for it again. I don't even like the sound of back to basics.
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Posted: Monday November 20th, 2006 00:47 |
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Just got back from seeing it and the film was weak. The only good bit was when he was chasing the brotha in Madagascar.
It's not worth seeing at the cinema.
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Sorry Moro but you must have been watching a different film from me because I though the film was awesome. It was easily the best Bond film so far. I thought that the Brosnan filsm were becoming ridiculous and unbelievable with invisible cars and silly gadgets. This film is more believable and well acted. The end was slightly ropey but other than that it was a very good film. I would recommend people se it. Also I couldn't see any racism in it, he is always going up against some foreign terrorists/criminal thats the whole point of the films.
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Posted: Monday November 20th, 2006 13:41 |
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I really can't belive the title of this thread !!!
First off I have to echo a lot of what Newstyle & Baby Girl said.
The film works, the producers dared to take the film in a different direction & it has paid off. I would say it has a lot to do with the success of Bourne that they have taken this path.
To be fair to the production team they have not been entirely faithfull to Fleming. Although I have not read any of the books my understanding is that Bond is meant to be a male chauvinistic pig & a racist but they have resisted temptation to make him the latter.
It would probably make it more real & give some weight to the title of this thread but congrats to them for not doing so, if you want racist comments on screen watch the Soprannos.
Yes the beginning of the movie is set in Africa !!!
SO WHAT.
Bond flicks are set all over the world.
I JUST DONT GET IT.
If your going to take that tone I would say Live & let die is a more " Racist " bond film.
Bottom line the film worked.
Great casting all round from Craig to Judy Dench and a special meantion to Jeffrey Wright as Felix Lighter.
Although Mr Wright did not have much to do, what he did do he did it well. He is an amazing actor & I hope they give him more to do in the next Bond flick.
New style meantioned S L Jackson as a Bond Villian.
Good pick.
Question is could they afford him & would he do it ?
I would like to see Terrence Howard ( Best Man, Hustle n Flow, Ray ) or John Malkovich as a Bond villan.
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Posted: Tuesday November 21st, 2006 22:32 |
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Daywalker wrote: I really can't belive the title of this thread !!!
First off I have to echo a lot of what Newstyle & Baby Girl said.
The film works, the producers dared to take the film in a different direction & it has paid off. I would say it has a lot to do with the success of Bourne that they have taken this path.
To be fair to the production team they have not been entirely faithfull to Fleming. Although I have not read any of the books my understanding is that Bond is meant to be a male chauvinistic pig & a racist but they have resisted temptation to make him the latter.
It would probably make it more real & give some weight to the title of this thread but congrats to them for not doing so, if you want racist comments on screen watch the Soprannos.
Yes the beginning of the movie is set in Africa !!!
SO WHAT.
Bond flicks are set all over the world.
I JUST DONT GET IT.
If your going to take that tone I would say Live & let die is a more " Racist " bond film.
Bottom line the film worked.
Great casting all round from Craig to Judy Dench and a special meantion to Jeffrey Wright as Felix Lighter.
Although Mr Wright did not have much to do, what he did do he did it well. He is an amazing actor & I hope they give him more to do in the next Bond flick.
New style meantioned S L Jackson as a Bond Villian.
Good pick.
Question is could they afford him & would he do it ?
I would like to see Terrence Howard ( Best Man, Hustle n Flow, Ray ) or John Malkovich as a Bond villan.
I think SL Jackson would do it, I think if he believes in a part he won't bankrupt them. Terrence Howard would be interesting, Malkovich about 10 years ago yes, now I'm not so sure, especially after his stint in “Johnny English� as a spoof Bond villain. I agree about Live and Let Die, was watching it for the first time in a long time and a lot of it was jarring.
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Posted: Tuesday November 21st, 2006 22:39 |
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newstyle wrote: Danger Will Robinson Spoiler Alert!!
It’s not until the first action set piece after the excellent opening credits that the producers and Sony the new holders of the rights to the Bond franchise’s decision to part company with Pierce Brosnan is fully understood. Perhaps feeling the pressure from younger fresher contenders to the spy action genre such as the Bourne identity and supremacy and to a lesser extent the mission impossible and XXX movies, Bond has been given a make over and a fresh start in the movie franchise. It is hard to imagine the aging Brosnan (suspension of disbelief, requires I not mention the stuntman) chasing the freerunning villain Mollaka (Sebastien Foucan), who people might recognise from the excellent “jump� documentaries such as jump London. For me this was by far the best and most thrilling sequence in the whole movie. The first half of Casino Royale has the feeling of a decent thriller/ detective film, and seems to divert away from the usual bond template (perhaps closer to the books? Those who have read them may know) the idea of gentleman spies and villains slugging it out in a casino seems to me very much stuck in the Ian Fleming era, Casino Royale manages to find a contemporary place for this by associating the money gained from games at the casino with the very current bombs, planes and terrorism. No direct reference is made to “jihadists� but the freerunning villain is described as not being a “true believer� which can be read to refer to current issues. Also those familiar with 9/11, 7/7 conspiracy theories would be familiar with the notion of suspicious stock market activities before major terrorist actions. Daniel Craig I think makes a good Bond, as usual a little early to tell on his first outing. He is not as smooth as Brosnan, but I believe him to have a wider range then his predecessor. He is a “hard-boiled� Bond. As with most other “heroes� Bond id often at his best with an appropriate super villain. In this case it was the "financier� Le Chielle (Mads Mikkelsen). I don’t think this quiet works as he seems more of a middleman then Mr Big. The puppet master Mr white (Jesper Christensen) who eliminates Mr Le Chielle is just not there enough in the movie and the “African dictator� Steven Obanno (Isaach De Bankole, to be seen in the up coming Toussaint) is eliminated too early on (he incidentally had the greatest potential to be the super villain. Hope they give Sam Jackson a call for the next one, the last really good villain was probably Christopher Walken’s Max Zorin in A View to a Kill. Apart from the scenes in the casino the most effective Bond vs. Le Chiffre scene is the homoerotic torture scene, just about everyone in the cinema burst out laughing when Le Chiffre, getting ready to torture a naked Bond compliments Bond on the state of his body before commencing torture on Bond’s balls. The Bond girl Vesper Lynd (Eva Green) was a wet blanket, nothing to her (like most of them anyway), they should have fired the make-up artists made her look awful, looked much better when she took it off. Jeffery Wright as Felix Leiter although a small part was good and hope to see him a lot more in future movies. Judi Dench as M as usual stole the show, good banter between her and Daniel Craig’s Bond already. Overall a good debut for Craig, and overhaul of the franchise. Director Martin Campbell, a veteran from Golden Eye keeps things ticking over. Craig does not utter the famous lines “The name's Bond. James Bond� until the last scene of the movie, straight after which John Barry’s famous tune is played for the first time. Bond is born Bond is back.
That should be Monty Norman's famous tune, not John Barry who just arranged it rather then wrote it (he sues people) sorry Monty!
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Posted: Tuesday November 21st, 2006 23:48 |
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I will go and see it as I am easily influenced by advertising and p.r.
I used to like the films but now BOND it's so over!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mmmmm
terrible movie....
2 out of 10....
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Lucas... wrote: mmmmm
terrible movie....
2 out of 10....
and thats being generous
I'd give it
1 out of 10
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Posted: Saturday November 25th, 2006 18:05 |
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Posted: Monday November 27th, 2006 17:16 |
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MilesDavis,
I haven't see it yet and I'm not even sure if I want to see it. The Bond flicks haven't been quite the same, sicne Roger Moore and Pierre Brosnan been in it. When they put Timothy Dalton That kind of did it for me. He didn't fit that role of Bond and this current man( Daniel Craig). They just don't see to fit the roles of it. Mest of the Jame Bond flicks I seen had the right people in it. Roger Moore, Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan did fit it. They have that sauve,sexy rich ,but devious type of look that make them fit the roles of their character. Daniel and Timothy, they look like they ought to appear in a Charles Bronson movie( I've never got why woman found Charles to be good looking and/or sexy. He looked like a rat to me). I'm also a little turned off by the movie because they want to take away what made Bond the man that he was-------a player!Although I wouldn't do it in real life, That is what made James Bond the man that he was. Now they want to make him a a onw woman man. It just don't seem right.
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Posted: Monday December 4th, 2006 16:44 |
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Haven't seen the film, no interest.
Racism? Black Guerrillas in Uganda, black locals in Madagascar.
As I have never been to either place can you tell me what the guerillas and locals are supposed to look like!?
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Mission Impossible 3 is far better than this crap.
I wouldn't even watch this film again if I was given the free DVD and someone paid for the electricity used to generate my TV and DVD player to watch it.
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Mission Impossible 3 is far better than this crap.
I wouldn't even watch this film again if I was given the free DVD and someone paid for the electricity used to generate my TV and DVD player to watch it.
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I agree.... they would have to pay me... to watch that...crap again...
one of the worst movies i have ever seen....
i mean dude gt beaten up.... smacked in the balls repeatedly...
... and got no revenge...
the whole emphasise of the move was on some ... torn up female... WORST bond girl... ever.... and james bond all soppy on her....
this is definetly a chick flick....
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Lucas... wrote: Prince Hakeem wrote: Mission Impossible 3 is far better than this crap.
I wouldn't even watch this film again if I was given the free DVD and someone paid for the electricity used to generate my TV and DVD player to watch it.
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I agree.... they would have to pay me... to watch that...crap again...
one of the worst movies i have ever seen....
i mean dude gt beaten up.... smacked in the balls repeatedly...
... and got no revenge...
the whole emphasise of the move was on some ... torn up female... WORST bond girl... ever.... and james bond all soppy on her....
this is definetly a chick flick....
Agreed
The best part was when he was chasing spiderman in the streets at the start. It all went downhill from there
I can live without gadgets. I can live without inappropiately named females. I can leave without the double entendre
I CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT A CLEARLY DEFINED BOND VILLAIN
The Le Chiffre had the looks to be a good villain( the requisite dodgy eye and scar) but that inhaler didn't help things very much. I'm not saying there airent stone cold killers who dont have asthma, but the mysique when I see him puffing on it. If it had somehow doubled up as a gas machine or something I could have let it pass.
The fact that Bond didn't even kill him concerns me. Now we have other villains killing his enemies for him. And wher was the plot to take over the world, lol!!!
And what kind of Ryanair(budget) poison did they use on Bond. Come back 10 minutes later looking healtheir then ever
And the poker game. We knew one way or the other that Bond was gonna win. I did love it when that black dude thought that he was gonna win. I was laughing my head off
This leads me on to that soppy sh*t near the end. Not amused. But then we knew that she was going to die. I said as much to my pal. I said for this film to be saved she needs to die. I would have preferred the more traditional bullet in the head but the drowning was OK.
For all this talk about it being a new bond. I see the villains in this 'new era' still have not learnt how to shoot.
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Didn't think the film was rascist . It was a different kind of bond film craig made the role his own .
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Personally I thought that this was one of the better bond films in a while. Whilst the choice of Daniel Craig is debatable, lets not detract that this was a 'darker' bond films.
He sure some beatings in this film, and dishes some out as well. Makes a nice change to the 'suave' and 'sophicated' Bond we've been bought up with.
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