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Posted: Thursday October 26th, 2006 21:13 |
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Interesting movie coming out featuring Jesus as Black. Blair Underwood also starred as Jesus in another movie (must be way back in the 80s or early 90s).
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/articles/_a/new-films-black-jesus-stirs-controversy/20061026072809990001
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Posted: Thursday October 26th, 2006 22:45 |
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wow!!! Can't wait to view it
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Posted: Thursday October 26th, 2006 23:29 |
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| "Black people in this country are the only race of people who worship a god outside their own image," says LaMarre, 38,..."
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Posted: Friday October 27th, 2006 01:01 |
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I wonder why that is? And if we really care who it is that we worship!
It appears that the only God that we care about is MONEY, "and everything eles
can go to hell! Where are all the Black leaders? and what ever happen to the black movement? Intergration has really done a number on us a people of color.
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Posted: Friday October 27th, 2006 14:26 |
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blackneck wrote: I wonder why that is? And if we really care who it is that we worship!
It appears that the only God that we care about is MONEY, "and everything eles
can go to hell! Where are all the Black leaders? and what ever happen to the black movement? Intergration has really done a number on us a people of color.
I totally agree.
Its even got us (black people) constantly refering to ourselves by the lazy garbage can expression "people of color" when NO OTHER RACE BOTHERS WITH THE TERM!!!
This isnt to criticise you Blackneck I'm agreeing with your main point 100%.
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Posted: Friday October 27th, 2006 15:08 |
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stick-upKid wrote: "Black people in this country are the only race of people who worship a god outside their own image," says LaMarre, 38,..."
But isn't worshipping any graven images wrong?
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Posted: Saturday October 28th, 2006 13:59 |
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| I'm confused why would portraying Jesus as a BLACK man cause contraversey.....? Could it be because it is believe the default color of jesus is supoosed to be BLOND blue eyes?
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Posted: Saturday October 28th, 2006 14:36 |
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Kunjufu wrote: I'm confused why would portraying Jesus as a BLACK man cause contraversey.....? Could it be because it is believe the default color of jesus is supoosed to be BLOND blue eyes?
Because of 1) It goes outside of the image that most Christians have been taught is the likeness of him, 2)It even goes outside of what the bible describes as some of his physical characteristics.There is even a bigger picture to Jesus being protrayed as black (or brown), if he is from the tribe of Judah, which is one of the 12 tribes of Israel (biblical Jacob's sons) then that would mean that they were/are (black) melaninated.
I think it is common knowledge that many different people are still scared of black people, let alone black men, but what it really is about is how much melanin did the people of the bible have. Back then they didn't classify themselves by "race", because race is still a somewhat modern invention that doesn't have much of a firm genetic foundation, as if there was so much difference genetically between the people of mankind.
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Posted: Saturday October 28th, 2006 15:19 |
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It is in peoples minds that the biblical Jesus was Black. It even gives the description in the old bible and even in bibles still coming out. Most mainstream people rarely have discussed it. But it is not about then for most people. It seems to be about now and what image is portrayed as being better whatever better means. Thats where the ignorance plays a part. Whether Black or White is not more important than what messages is being put forth concerning what values people should live their lives by.
In order for the movie to get great exposure and advertisement in these years it probably has to be about the same old Christian religion. Even before the movie was made Christian rulers were going from the White Jesus to a darker Jesus with the same old crappy doctrine in most cases to try to compete with the rising of Black nationalism, Pan Africa, true spirituality for human minds. Im just saying I wouldnt get over hyped but that is the second Black Jesus movie to come out within a year I think.
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Posted: Saturday October 28th, 2006 21:04 |
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Kunjufu wrote: I'm confused why would portraying Jesus as a BLACK man cause contraversey.....? Could it be because it is believe the default color of jesus is supoosed to be BLOND blue eyes?
They don’t agree with the image of black Jesus because in reality there is a deep mental state with white people today. That mental state is the belief that black people, as human’s beings, did nothing in terms of civilization building. They believe that black people are sub human, and beneath white people. If you don’t believe me just go to any secondary school in the U.K and you will know what I mean.
The stereotypical image of Jesus is wrong. Jesus (peace be upon him). was never a white man nor was he born under a tree common to Scandinavia environment. He was born in the Middle East at a time when white people where not as common as today. He had hair like wool, and dark skin. The same with the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him). Don’t believe what the Saudis tell you because in reality they are people from the north (Caucasuses) emigrated there thousands of years ago.
White people have to falsify history to justify their dominance and explain to the dark people of the world that they as people where nothing until the white man came and educated them during the colonial era. People will fall victim to this propaganda because they refuse to connect the dots throughout history. and i also believe people find it's easy to follow than stand up and question the status quo.
I personally believe all the prophet’s of Allah where black as tar, and no damn albino fool is going to change my mind because he feels uncomfortable with the truth.
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Posted: Sunday October 29th, 2006 02:02 |
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AmeriJamCan wrote: Interesting movie coming out featuring Jesus as Black. Blair Underwood also starred as Jesus in another movie (must be way back in the 80s or early 90s).
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/articles/_a/new-films-black-jesus-stirs-controversy/20061026072809990001
This is incredibly stupid and only reactionary by African people to go make a movie about a Black Jesus just because the prevailing images are of a White man. Jesus was not ethnically Black/African either. And don't anyone hand me those horseshyt verses of Jesus having skin like burnt brass/copper or hair like lamb's wool. There are millions of Semitic/Asiatic people even today in Asia who have swarthy skin and wooly hair, but identify more with Indo-European culture than anything else.
Here we have one of the few ethnically Black/African persons in the New Testament called out here...
In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. ~Acts 13:1
We must understand that Nai-Gheir was a name associated with the people and the great River Nile, particularly in Egypt and Nubia. When the Romans took over the Greek empire invading Egypt, they were met by the African peoples along the Nile with stiff resistance. The Romans associated this term, niger in Latin, with the blackness of the people. Therefore, in Latin, "niger" was the derogatory word for blackness, and throughout the Roman empire (Palestine during Jesus' time), the term was used to denote people who were ethnically Black/African. Therefore, if the Hebrews/Jews of Acts 13:1 here were truly Black/African people, then there would be no reason to single out only Simeon for being a niger.
Another time the New Testament explicitly calls out an African is Acts 8:26-27 when referring to an Ethiopian eunuch. However, in the Old Testament, we clearly have a reference to the (black) color of Ethiopians that differentiates them from the Hebrews/Jews...
Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. ~Jeremiah 13:23
Is this not a peculiar statement to make about someone elses skin that is supposed to be black like you? It is used in the same context as leopards having spots, where men normally don't have spots. Likewise, in the same context, attention was drawn on the skin of the Ethiopian (which we all know is black), where Hebrew/Jew men did not normally have black skin.
The problem here is we have too many African people who still can't think for themselves who in the end look like dayam fools producing a Black Jesus out of pure ignorance and shiftless Negro emotion.
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Posted: Sunday October 29th, 2006 12:21 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote:
The problem here is we have too many African people who still can't think for themselves who in the end look like dayam fools producing a Black Jesus out of pure ignorance and shiftless Negro emotion.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Posted: Sunday October 29th, 2006 18:21 |
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Lets just leave that Christain BS alone alltogether. And Jesus too.
Just know the god within you and good spiritual thinking from African minds.
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Posted: Monday October 30th, 2006 16:43 |
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Either way, the truth will reveal itself for all to see and to either accept or reject. There is indeed a God that is independent in existence beyond us all, a lot of black people have not ignored that intuitive truth, but serving the wrong god is just as bad as not serving any god; both lead to damnation. So it is best for the individual to think for him/herself, test it all to see what is true and what is false.
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Posted: Monday October 30th, 2006 18:05 |
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Back in the day I probably would have been excited about this, now I could care less. I'm not anymore concerned about a 'black jesus' portrayal than I am seeing a 'black' Bart Simpson or a Woody Woodpecker with dreadlocks.
Make a film based on our African history then I'll be happy.
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Posted: Monday October 30th, 2006 22:51 |
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Moro Naba wrote: Back in the day I probably would have been excited about this, now I could care less. I'm not anymore concerned about a 'black jesus' portrayal than I am seeing a 'black' Bart Simpson or a Woody Woodpecker with dreadlocks.
Make a film based on our African history then I'll be happy.
Thank you for saying that. We are still hopelessly trying to grasp at Indo-European and Semitic/Asiatic culture...to be included in something, when what we already have is far greater in my opinion.
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Posted: Monday October 30th, 2006 23:21 |
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I can't help thinking back on a passage in the book the ISIS papers by Dr Francis Cress Welsing. She wrote that Jesus was a black man and that the significance of him being black is that if you consider that the Romans were white or (European). Then we will see that from the time they hung the black Jesus on the cross, the black man for the last 2000 odd years as been persecuted by the white man.
This i believe is why whites have not up to now depicted a black messia's, it might stir something in our psyche or even awake the black man to certain questions regarding the very present and unjust system we live in today. Which still incarcerates the black man. Up untill the other day they way burning crosses on the lawns of black families homes. Ironic that maybe then our identity is hid somewhere in the suffering of the cross like no other people on earth.
Was Jesus black, well Emperor selassie was said to be of the line of Solomon, we have tv footage of him, and he was far removed from blue eyes blonde hair. Also you take a baby and hide it, say a white baby who you learn is the messiah, do you hide that baby in brixton or peckham , or do you hide it in kent ?
They hid Jesus in Egypt people ? do the math !
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Posted: Tuesday October 31st, 2006 10:24 |
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Posted: Tuesday October 31st, 2006 13:23 |
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Justavoice wrote: I can't help thinking back on a passage in the book the ISIS papers by Dr Francis Cress Welsing. She wrote that Jesus was a black man and that the significance of him being black is that if you consider that the Romans were white or (European). Then we will see that from the time they hung the black Jesus on the cross, the black man for the last 2000 odd years as been persecuted by the white man.
Although I greatly respect Dr. Welsing, what you speak of is nothing more than an unsubstantiated theory. Most White people don't even recognize Black people to of been in the Palestine region then at all.
Justavoice wrote: Was Jesus black, well Emperor selassie was said to be of the line of Solomon, we have tv footage of him, and he was far removed from blue eyes blonde hair.
King Solomon never existed. There isn't a single archaeological trace for the existence of the man or his kingdom supposedly established by the mythical King David in West Asia. The only person that has done what is religiously attributed to David and Solomon in the history of the world are the Pharaohs TwtMos III and Amenhotep III respectively. Therefore, reference to Selassie as a descendent of Solomon is moot.
Justavoice wrote: Also you take a baby and hide it, say a white baby who you learn is the messiah, do you hide that baby in brixton or peckham , or do you hide it in kent ?
They hid Jesus in Egypt people ? do the math !
LOL...here is the other part of the tired argument of why Jesus must have been Black since they hid him in Egypt...give me a break! Even though North & South America has been occupied by Europeans for over 500 years, does that mean I must look like a true Native American if I can be "hidden" in America? It is almost the same for Egypt. Starting about 600 BCE, at least lower Egypt was conquerred by the Assyrians/Persians. This foreign rule/occupation continued almost completely until Alexander and the Greeks conquerred it in 332 BCE. Greek or Ptolemaic rule was consistent until taken over by the Romans. Then the Romans ruled all the way through the purported era of Jesus Christ. Here we have over 6 centuries of ethnically non-African non-Black peoples settling and ruling the land of Egypt. So then, why would it be so difficult to comprehend that even a White person could "hide" in Egypt after upwards of 600 years of foreign occupation and rule? This last assertion of yours does nothing to substantiate the claim of a Black Jesus. In fact, it only highlights the quite common ignorance of many Black Christians, Muslims, and Jews to African history when it coincides/conflicts with the Bible.
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Posted: Tuesday October 31st, 2006 18:13 |
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Although I greatly respect Dr. Welsing, what you speak of is nothing more than an unsubstantiated theory. Most White people don't even recognize Black people to of been in the Palestine region then at all.
Most white people don't accept either that the first civilization was formed by black people and subsequently Egypt (mizraim) was a black land which is reinforced by biblical scripture.
So you look for recognition from white people, so to make your facts some how more authenticate. I wouldn't trust anything they try to tell me about the region and that time, they've done too much and tried to hard to hide much from us, for us to go back to them and ask questions regarding who lived where and what ?..
The Arabs living in Egypt now think that land as always been their's, but history and biblical history at that tells me a different story.
Dr John Henrick Clarke, spoke of Herodotus travelling to Egypt and writing that he could not distinguish them apart from the Israelites.
The Israelites sojourned in Egypt four hundred years and came out what the bible describes as a mixed multitude ?.
far greater in numbers than how they went in. Joseph was married to the Priestess of ON, who had two sons for him, Manasseh and Ephraim. What colour were these chidren.
Albeit, shemsi, your argument will be there is no evidence that Israel was ever in bondage to the Egyptians... So we have your, no evidence means it didn't happen argument..
then let us look at Jesus geneology and she if we see any blacks in it... I think we will. Albeit he was not born of the will of the flesh, he would have coming looking like an Israelite.
King Solomon never existed. There isn't a single archaeological trace for the existence of the man or his kingdom supposedly established by the mythical King David in West Asia. The only person that has done what is religiously attributed to David and Solomon in the history of the world are the Pharaohs TwtMos III and Amenhotep III respectively. Therefore, reference to Selassie as a descendent of Solomon is moot.
Jerusalem is in West Asia now ? on a map i swear Jerusalem doesn't look like it was that far from Egypt and Sudan. In fact before they built the suez canal and split it, you could walk from Israel right into Egypt as Mary, Joseph and the Christ child did to hide out. Western Asia... lol
Your argument, did Solomon exist ? well you need archaeology to believe ? but Selassie claimed lineage to him and the Queen of this country paid honour to this King because of his superior lineage. I don't know if Royalty or home office would allow such things without not checking.
LOL...here is the other part of the tired argument of why Jesus must have been Black since they hid him in Egypt...give me a break!
make it that Jesus had hid in Europe and white people would have run with it.... and not casually dismiss it as you have ?
Even though North & South America has been occupied by Europeans for over 500 years, does that mean I must look like a true Native American if I can be "hidden" in America? It is almost the same for Egypt. Starting about 600 BCE, at least lower Egypt was conquerred by the Assyrians/Persians. This foreign rule/occupation continued almost completely until Alexander and the Greeks conquerred it in 332 BCE. Greek or Ptolemaic rule was consistent until taken over by the Romans. Then the Romans ruled all the way through the purported era of Jesus Christ. Here we have over 6 centuries of ethnically non-African non-Black peoples settling and ruling the land of Egypt.
Yet if things were so mixed as you put it, how was Herod able to send out a decree to kill all first borns, born to Israelites.. How were the Roman Soldiers able to distinguish seeing things were as mixed up as you say it was ?
So then, why would it be so difficult to comprehend that even a White person could "hide" in Egypt after upwards of 600 years of foreign occupation and rule?
The connection between Egypt and Israel as been there since Abraham visit, throuugh to Jacob, right on to Jesus. And your telling me no intermarriage happened over this time ?
As you rightly say, White's came on the scene later... white jews are new jews, i'll go as far to say some ain't jews at all.
This last assertion of yours does nothing to substantiate the claim of a Black Jesus. In fact, it only highlights the quite common ignorance of many Black Christians, Muslims, and Jews to African history when it coincides/conflicts with the Bible.
African history ? where did Africa begin and where did it end in the ancient times ? seeing it was one great land mass, nothing dividing Israel from Egypt. Didn't Juda have relations with one of the daughters of Ham ?. So from even the tribe of Juda's inception, black was present if at all Juda was not black himself ?
Dr John Henrick Clarke, said Shemite mean half, he asked the question, half of what ?
You looking at this with blinkers on Shemshi.....the same thing you accuse me of doing, in your afrocentricity, you are doing it also.
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Posted: Tuesday October 31st, 2006 19:11 |
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Justavoice wrote: Dr John Henrick Clarke, spoke of Herodotus travelling to Egypt and writing that he could not distinguish them apart from the Israelites.
Show me where Herodotus says that. All I can recall him saying is that the Jews practiced circumcision, and probably learned it from the Egyptians. Can you provide any other affinities?...or any other reference for them being the same kind of people? Oh yes, we must remember that when Herodotus came along, Egypt was already under occupation by Persians/Assyrians and wasn't even permitted into Egypt-proper (Upper Egypt) past the first cataract where all the nobility of Kemet regrouped during the occupation in order to maintain purity in the royal bloodline.
Justavoice wrote: Albeit, shemsi, your argument will be there is no evidence that Israel was ever in bondage to the Egyptians... So we have your, no evidence means it didn't happen argument..
So we are supposed to go with the "believe what the crackers beat me to believe" story as opposed to common sense with at least an elementary understanding of the history of African people? Hmmm...a book of fables, or concrete evidence about our ancestors' history? Tough one...
Justavoice wrote: then let us look at Jesus geneology and she if we see any blacks in it... I think we will. Albeit he was not born of the will of the flesh, he would have coming looking like an Israelite.
Ok...so what if the Bible states there were some African people in the lineage of Jesus. The book is riddled with lies and haphazardly pieced together anyhow, so what does it matter.
Justavoice wrote: Jerusalem is in West Asia now ? on a map i swear Jerusalem doesn't look like it was that far from Egypt and Sudan. In fact before they built the suez canal and split it, you could walk from Israel right into Egypt as Mary, Joseph and the Christ child did to hide out. Western Asia... lol
Have you even read the Bible, particularly Joshua? All the of conquerred citie-states mentioned (that TwtMos III actually did) were all throughout the Middle East. I say "West Asia" simply because I don't like to use the term "Middle East" due to the motives behind its modern invention.
Justavoice wrote: Your argument, did Solomon exist ? well you need archaeology to believe ? but Selassie claimed lineage to him and the Queen of this country paid honour to this King because of his superior lineage. I don't know if Royalty or home office would allow such things without not checking.
...100% supposition, and not an ounce of fact. If you are willing to acknowledge that the King of Ethiopia traces himself back to Solomon, then are willing to acknowledge certain midieval European royalty tracing themselves back to the Davidic/Solomonic line as well? So who is right? Do you think their Royalty "would allow such things without not checking"?
Justavoice wrote: Even though North & South America has been occupied by Europeans for over 500 years, does that mean I must look like a true Native American if I can be "hidden" in America? It is almost the same for Egypt. Starting about 600 BCE, at least lower Egypt was conquerred by the Assyrians/Persians. This foreign rule/occupation continued almost completely until Alexander and the Greeks conquerred it in 332 BCE. Greek or Ptolemaic rule was consistent until taken over by the Romans. Then the Romans ruled all the way through the purported era of Jesus Christ. Here we have over 6 centuries of ethnically non-African non-Black peoples settling and ruling the land of Egypt.
Yet if things were so mixed as you put it, how was Herod able to send out a decree to kill all first borns, born to Israelites.. How were the Roman Soldiers able to distinguish seeing things were as mixed up as you say it was ?
...more supposition lacking any integrity. How do you know this decree ever happened? There is absolutely no record of it, and most scholars recognize the numerous parallels the New Testament writers were trying to make between the lives of Jesus and Moses. As far as I am concerned, it was fabricated to fulfill the stories of the Old Testament so that Jesus could be like a Moses to the people of Israel...making Moses a prototype for the coming Prophet (Deuteronomy 18:18).
As for how the Roman soldiers distinguished them, I never said they were White, but they certainly were not Black African people. However, again, it never happened.
Justavoice wrote: The connection between Egypt and Israel as been there since Abraham visit, throuugh to Jacob, right on to Jesus. And your telling me no intermarriage happened over this time ?
As you rightly say, White's came on the scene later... white jews are new jews, i'll go as far to say some ain't jews at all.
I am certain that most White Jews are probably not real Jews at all. Your statement about the connection starting from Abraham is exactly what I am talking about. If you actually looked at Abraham and Sarah from an African perspective, then you would see that their characters were made up as well, perhaps based off of other high profile Kemetic characters like most people in the Bible. The name Sarah (sar-ah) means prince or princess. The name Abraham transliterates to "heart of the majesty of Ra". So we are to believe these are Hebrews with non-Hebrew names with distinct Kemetic meaning? Complete and utter BS. There are so many things that the Hebrews copied that they didn't even understand the significance of it, from the Tree of Life in Eden, the snake with legs to walk upright handing a fruit, Moses' parting of the Red Sea, sleeping lions in the den, to Jesus' purported resurrection of Lazarus, and so much more...but you are not open to see it...not evening willing to read the self-told story of the African people in the Nile Valley. You would rather trump the had facts of Africa with your book of fables and lies.
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