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Posted: Sunday August 27th, 2006 13:21 |
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Posted: Sunday August 27th, 2006 15:15 |
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Posted: Sunday August 27th, 2006 15:21 |
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Posted: Sunday August 27th, 2006 15:49 |
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Posted: Sunday August 27th, 2006 21:07 |
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| Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 00:27 |
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TheDogon wrote: Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
We've tried everything but that and we will NEVER know how effective complete separation will be until we DO IT!
I'm basically fed up with these murderous liars and thieves.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 01:52 |
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SpiritualONE wrote: TheDogon wrote: Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
We've tried everything but that and we will NEVER know how effective complete separation will be until we DO IT!
I'm basically fed up with these murderous liars and thieves.
I agree, for 6000+ years we have as a people had our arms outstretched and have tried every means of trying to get along with these people but at every turn we end up with a knife in our back and sometines even in our front. Sooner or later we will be a lifeless people and we will become like them. The only thing we haven't tried is separation. It may be the only thing we should have tried in the first place. Actually scratch that we have tried. Take a look at my signature. The Mossi people (not to be confused with the Massi) lived by that rule and were prosperous in every avenue until their weak children after hundred of years ignored it. Literally one white man stepped foot on their land. within a short period of time their people were lost and their civilation almost forgotten. research them. Separation works.
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 12:04 |
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RasRuben wrote: SpiritualONE wrote: TheDogon wrote: Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
We've tried everything but that and we will NEVER know how effective complete separation will be until we DO IT!
I'm basically fed up with these murderous liars and thieves.
I agree, for 6000+ years we have as a people had our arms outstretched and have tried every means of trying to get along with these people but at every turn we end up with a knife in our back and sometines even in our front. Sooner or later we will be a lifeless people and we will become like them. The only thing we haven't tried is separation. It may be the only thing we should have tried in the first place. Actually scratch that we have tried. Take a look at my signature. The Mossi people (not to be confused with the Massi) lived by that rule and were prosperous in every avenue until their weak children after hundred of years ignored it. Literally one white man stepped foot on their land. within a short period of time their people were lost and their civilation almost forgotten. research them. Separation works.
I agree wholeheartedly and their pattern of betrayal and deception is recognized all throughout Afrika and around the world. Many of the great empires of Afrika have prophecies of the dreaded arrival of brutal barbarians. Native Americans prophesized this too!
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Posted: Monday August 28th, 2006 16:07 |
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SpiritualONE wrote: TheDogon wrote: Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
We've tried everything but that and we will NEVER know how effective complete separation will be until we DO IT!
I'm basically fed up with these murderous liars and thieves.
I hear you. But you, like Malcolm, must bow to consensus. We must build a consensus for what must be done within our communities. And the bigger one we build. . .the more powerful we become. Integration/Segregation, that's merely a side issue. At long as we are united, that is what matters.
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 14:57 |
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TheDogon wrote: SpiritualONE wrote: TheDogon wrote: Well SpiritualOne, do you feel that separation is the only way for "Black" folks?
We've tried everything but that and we will NEVER know how effective complete separation will be until we DO IT!
I'm basically fed up with these murderous liars and thieves.
I hear you. But you, like Malcolm, must bow to consensus. We must build a consensus for what must be done within our communities. And the bigger one we build. . .the more powerful we become. Integration/Segregation, that's merely a side issue. At long as we are united, that is what matters.
The consensus opinion is an uninformed one and I refuse to give into the whims of people lacking courage and wallowing in IGNORANCE. It will take a vanguard of conscious movers and shakers to WAKE UP the majority.
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 16:55 |
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The consensus opinion is an uninformed one and I refuse to give into the whims of people lacking courage and wallowing in IGNORANCE. It will take a vanguard of conscious movers and shakers to WAKE UP the majority.
Well, you rebut your own point. If the "consensus opinion" is uninformed, "we" must inform them. But we cannot make a difference without building greater and great coalitions.
Like I said, integration/segregation is only a sideshow. The welfare of our people matters above all else. Every other garbage argument must give way to making sure that African people are educated, are fed, are clothed, and allowed to live "free". That word "free" is defined as "free to be ourselves". If we deem integration to be harmful, then let us take the steps for ending that harm. But there is no way to segregate without "Black" people. A coalition of just SpiritualOne and TheDogon just isn't very useful.
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 18:31 |
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TheDogon wrote: The consensus opinion is an uninformed one and I refuse to give into the whims of people lacking courage and wallowing in IGNORANCE. It will take a vanguard of conscious movers and shakers to WAKE UP the majority.
Well, you rebut your own point. If the "consensus opinion" is uninformed, "we" must inform them. But we cannot make a difference without building greater and great coalitions.
Like I said, integration/segregation is only a sideshow. The welfare of our people matters above all else. Every other garbage argument must give way to making sure that African people are educated, are fed, are clothed, and allowed to live "free". That word "free" is defined as "free to be ourselves". If we deem integration to be harmful, then let us take the steps for ending that harm. But there is no way to segregate without "Black" people. A coalition of just SpiritualOne and TheDogon just isn't very useful.
This post isn't just about segregation vs. integration. It's about Malcolm X's argument that we are depending upon foot shuffling leadership that are lapdogs for the powers that be! These fools are seeking help from sources that have betrayed our people for thousands of years. If that isn't insanity, there is NO SUCH THING!
Secondly, clothing and feeding a people doesn't solve anything when they are still MENTAL SLAVES to white supremacy.
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Posted: Wednesday August 30th, 2006 22:42 |
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This post isn't just about segregation vs. integration. It's about Malcolm X's argument that we are depending upon foot shuffling leadership that are lapdogs for the powers that be! These fools are seeking help from sources that have betrayed our people for thousands of years. If that isn't insanity, there is NO SUCH THING!
Secondly, clothing and feeding a people doesn't solve anything when they are still MENTAL SLAVES to white supremacy.
But I don't disagree with anything you have said. My only point is that we must move as a group. Surely there are negroes among us. But we have to first wake up the sleeping giant. "Black" folks are a powerful force to be reckoned with, when they focus their energy in a positive direction. But that energy again. . .must be "focused".
Negroes will always use insane reasoning. There is nothing we can do about that, but point out their ways as hypocritical, racist, and self-hating.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 01:16 |
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TheDogon wrote: SpiritualONE wrote:
This post isn't just about segregation vs. integration. It's about Malcolm X's argument that we are depending upon foot shuffling leadership that are lapdogs for the powers that be! These fools are seeking help from sources that have betrayed our people for thousands of years. If that isn't insanity, there is NO SUCH THING!
Secondly, clothing and feeding a people doesn't solve anything when they are still MENTAL SLAVES to white supremacy.
But I don't disagree with anything you have said. My only point is that we must move as a group. Surely there are negroes among us. But we have to first wake up the sleeping giant. "Black" folks are a powerful force to be reckoned with, when they focus their energy in a positive direction. But that energy again. . .must be "focused".
Negroes will always use insane reasoning. There is nothing we can do about that, but point out their ways as hypocritical, racist, and self-hating.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 03:47 |
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The problem is how do we do this when even the most "conscious" Africans still subconsciously depends on the white man?
Take Katrina for example.....We all watched Africans in NO suffer Monday and then we went to sleep thinking that they would get some help Tuesday...we woke up to see many news reporters in NO showing pictures of suffering Africans. We all thought that the gov't was going to help them...wed nothing thursday nothing...friday well late friday they decide to roll after a lot of public pressure.......
What do you see wrong with this picture?
Africans in America by Tuesday evening should have seen that the US was not coming to save us. We should have mobilized. The same way we did for the million man march. The same we do for free concerts. The same way we do to get something on sale or a freebie. The same way we do for a party. yet when this time came around. We stood and did nothing. Our people in entertainment did nothing but give money to white lead relief organizations instead of using the same resources at their disposal they use to travel around the country with and organize parties. These people had power and the most one of them could do was state the obvious that Bush does not like black people. And he became a black hero.......why? For stating the obvious that was stated in his actions in 1998-99 by refusing to meet with AA groups?
I know we could not save all of the AAs there but think if someone like Oprah or Jay Z or Farrakhan had come on tv and asked all AAs with boats or buses or to meet him/her in NO to help our people. Imagine the black eye that would have given this country. Instead all of our leaders and entertainers we support with our dollar did nothing.
Even the ones like Farrakhan subconsciously stood back and waited on the white man to help AAs. To me there is a big difference in talking about dependence on the white man and being independent of the white man. To be honest with you, I am not sure if a lot of Africans worldwide are ready to even take this step subconsciously as many on this site argued with me about why the white US govt should have come to rescue us when I said that AAs should have started to come when they did not see any action.
The large majority of Africans in the US and the UK failed their tests given to them in their respective lands in 2006 when it came time to walk the talk that many preach on self sufficiency and complete mental independence. I am not ashamed on this side to admit my people failed to step up and many failed to see that we did not step up and failed this test.
For us to have mobilized, we would have been living Malcolm instead of talking Malcolm and to be honest with you, I am tired of people talking like Malcolm and living their lives on MLK's theories........
This is not a direct offense at any of you, just my frustration with our people in general, because it really upsets me on how we failed these two tests last year.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 08:44 |
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Peace and blessings to you and I can understand your frustration with all of this talk and very little action. I find myself experiencing the same emotions day after day. The main problem with Afrikan people (as I see it) is Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. The fear of putting your life on the line for your people is born out of this syndrome. In other words, far too many of us imitate our oppressors. The Katrina neglect is nothing new to me because I've witnessed this type of IGNORANCE, apathy and cowardice on the part of Afrikan people before and I know that I will see it again and again. In fact, I've lost a lot of respect for people whom I once thought were down with our struggle when it came to liberation from this wicked culture. The truth about them have been clearly revealed to me.
A factor that may have deterred many from going to New Orleans is the fact that police and national guards were setting up roadblocks to keep people of Afrikan ancestry from entering or leaving the city. There were supplies sent that couldn't get through to the starving and dying people. In fact, some politicians of Afrikan ancestry defended these military actions because of rampant looting.
The sad thing about our plight is that sellout politicians are supporting our genocide. They set in their comfortable homes and offices while things are getting worse for most people of color. Added to that mix are fake preachers and money grabbing Samboes who support White Supremacy. They gain more attention from Afrikan people than real PRO-BLACK movers and shakers in our communities.
People have become too comfortable in their servitude to the eurocentric lifestyle and a sellout leadership. It's killing most of us in an insidious manner.
Finally, I would like to tell you why I'm discussing Malcolm's beliefs. It takes a discussion to keep some of us AWAKE and active (which I am). That is my purpose for bringing this topic about Malcolm X to light. He dealt with the truth like few others have.
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No offense SpiritualOne but I drove there with a family member looking for his father early on Thursday from Memphis before the Guard was supposed to be there. NO ONE was blocking the way into Nawlins. The only law enforcement you encountered was when you got off I-10 attempting to go into some of the neighborhoods in Kenner and Metairie. There was no real resistance except entering into those neighborhoods then as we asked them how deep was the water past the dome and a lot of them said that it was pretty deep. The funny part is they warned us to keep on our toes as people had guns and it was like the Wild West and the cops even asked us if we were armed and said that we should be....... Looking back the Pontchartrain bridge may have been blocked allowing access to the North shore but as big as that lake is and after a hurricane there was no way in hell I was going to risk going across that bridge........
Anyway we encountered nothing on I-55 or I-10 going into NO. No one stopped us. we docked in NO on the causeway with others (who were white) and got in the water. They went to rescue we were on a search mission for one. While we did wind up helping a few others, the point is we risked our lives to save others as that water while not moving fast did have some funny currents in it.
The point I am trying to make, the gov't did not stop AAs from rescuing AAs in Nawlins. AA complacency and dependency stopped AAs from help AAs in Nawlins. I am sorry but I refuse to completely blame this on the gov't when AAs have more spending power at their disposal than many of the countries in this world. I am sorry but I refuse to make excuses for our failure of this "test" because I saw the truth. The "war" came and many chose to be on the side of preserving their life instead of doing what had to be done to ensure the survival of others.
I agree with Malcolm's words wholeheartedly and so do many others, BUT I have come to see that the large majority of us live in real life like King. To live like Malcolm talks means you cannot be afraid to die to help preserve your people and I look around and do not see that kind of discipline in us. While we dream of others doing this for us, we do not dream of making the ultimate sacrifice for others.
Because who ever leads this movement of our COMPLETE independence from white thought will most likely die as he/she will be the spearhead which white racism will have to "break off" but once that spearhead has penetrated we have to push the rest of the spear in to finish killing off the "beast". This is what it is going to take. With our fallen leaders of the past we have only stuck the "beast" with spears and it broke off the tips of them. While these tips did do some damage to the beast and made the beast aware of our power to strike it down, the beast is still standing, bleeding and enraged and approaching us more cautiously but still standing and still deadly.
At this point, I am not sure what it will take for Africans worldwide to have a REAL subconscious wakeup call after these two events........
I don't think it will be politicians as I think we are going to have to have people simply step up in their communities and make them villages even in the cities that we are in. Even selecting a council of elders. We have to do something that is not European based like politicians....while needed apparently we cannot trust them no matter what color or if they are helping us they will not have the power to make an effective change here as in many cases they will be outnumbered and if they do make a change they will have to make a deal with the devil which will cause us to suffer in other areas. Seems Africans worldwide are caught in a catch-22 situation no matter what when dealing with white govts.
Ok I am off my soapbox now and will not eat a lot of sugar anymore this early in the morning 
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 15:48 |
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SpiritualONE wrote: TheDogon wrote: SpiritualONE wrote:
This post isn't just about segregation vs. integration. It's about Malcolm X's argument that we are depending upon foot shuffling leadership that are lapdogs for the powers that be! These fools are seeking help from sources that have betrayed our people for thousands of years. If that isn't insanity, there is NO SUCH THING!
Secondly, clothing and feeding a people doesn't solve anything when they are still MENTAL SLAVES to white supremacy.
But I don't disagree with anything you have said. My only point is that we must move as a group. Surely there are negroes among us. But we have to first wake up the sleeping giant. "Black" folks are a powerful force to be reckoned with, when they focus their energy in a positive direction. But that energy again. . .must be "focused".
Negroes will always use insane reasoning. There is nothing we can do about that, but point out their ways as hypocritical, racist, and self-hating.
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Absolutely.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 17:16 |
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@SafetyBlitz,
It's great that you got to New Orleans before the roads were blocked and it's good to see that some people have the means to help others. But most of us are 1 paycheck from being homeless so we couldn't get down to NO if even if we wanted to go. With the rumors of contaminated water, looting and shooting, most people wouldn't have went there anyway.
Finally, to be honest with you, I don't see us getting our act together in the near future because most people don't give a damn about the poor. Being from a poor family, I know that fact all too well.
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 18:13 |
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| Trust me Spiritual One, I am not blaming the AA poor as much as I am blamng the ones that could actually have did more........There are many of us here in the south that do have the means to do more but do not.......
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Posted: Thursday August 31st, 2006 18:50 |
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@Safetyblitz,
I was born at John Gaston Hospital in Memphis, TN and lived in Memphis for quite a while. There was a time when Afrikans did reach out and help the poor but those days appear to be fading fast.
I live near ATL now and there are over 100,000 NOLA residents here. I do what I can to help them and that's all I can do.
Things are about to get chaotic for many of us and the home foreclosure rate is very high. When chaos sets in maybe more of us will WAKE-UP and do what we must do.
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SpiritualONE wrote: @SafetyBlitz,
It's great that you got to New Orleans before the roads were blocked and it's good to see that some people have the means to help others. But most of us are 1 paycheck from being homeless so we couldn't get down to NO if even if we wanted to go. With the rumors of contaminated water, looting and shooting, most people wouldn't have went there anyway.
Finally, to be honest with you, I don't see us getting our act together in the near future because most people don't give a damn about the poor. Being from a poor family, I know that fact all too well.
Well, I give a damn Spiritual. We just need to stay on message and keep beating down doors. We all need to give a damn about those among us that are were not lucky. Because with the blink of an eye, we could be homeless, poor, and unable to find a job. Having experiened unemployment, I know what that is like.
We have adopted the ways of the Eurocentric. We have started to look down on each other and play the "it's them n!ggers over there" game. We must keep stressing the importance of unity, culture, and community. Because in truth, a Katrina type disaster could have struck New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles. And we still would not have received a shred of aid from the government. Eurocentrists would have painted us as lawbreakers and uncivilized. They would have claimed that anti-fraud procedures were necessary to keep us from stealing. We can't continue to let this bs happen to our people. As Safety has explained, we need to step and help those among us. There is no cavalry for "Black" folks except for other "Black" folks.
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