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Posted: Thursday August 17th, 2006 10:40 |
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Film director Spike Lee's long-awaited four-hour documentary about Hurricane Katrina was due to receive its world premiere last night, watched by 16,000 people who lived through the tragedy.
The first half of Lee's $2m (£1.05m) documentary, When the Levees Broke: a Requiem in Four Acts, was scheduled to be shown to a sell-out audience in the New Orleans Arena. The venue is next door to the Superdome, the sports complex where more than 15,000 people sought shelter during the hurricane last year.
"What we hope with this piece is that it brings attention back to New Orleans, back to the other gulf states that are still dealing and struggling with the ravages of Hurricane Katrina," the director, 49, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune newspaper. "A lot of Americans are saying, 'That was so last year. I'm on to the next thing. C'mon, you're killing us with this Katrina thing.' Well, I'm sorry. People are still struggling, and ... will be dealing with the aftermath for years."
The film's opening sequence begins by interspersing archive footage of parties and parades in New Orleans with pictures of debris and bodies floating in the floodwater. The rest is given over to the direct testimony of angry and devastated local residents, officials and some of the celebrities who came to the city to help, including the actor Sean Penn and the hip-hop artist Kanye West.
It will be shown on US television twice in the coming weeks, once in two parts, and once as a whole on August 29, the first anniversary of the night the storm hit land. By the end of the crisis, at least 1,836 people had died; thousands more remain displaced.
The economic aftermath continues: this week, in a judgment that could set a precedent for hundreds of insurance claims, a court ruled that an insurance firm offering payouts for wind damage was not required to pay for water damage, even when high winds were the cause.
Calling the movie "arguably the most essential work of [Lee's] 20-year career", Newsweek said audiences might be surprised that the director, who made his name with a series of feature films addressing racial politics, "views the tragedy as a national betrayal rooted in class, not skin colour. To him, what the victimised share most is that they had very little to begin with and were left with nothing."
But the Times-Picayune disagreed. "The tragic story of black New Orleans trapped in Katrina's path has found a supreme chronicler," its reviewer wrote. "But the flooded-out residents of [predominantly white neighbourhoods] Lakeview or Old Metairie who attend [the premiere] will spend all night sitting on a hard plastic chair and then wonder: Where am I in this?"
In interviews, and in the documentary, Lee refused to reject the belief, held by many black residents, that the government bombed the levees, flooding the poorest areas to spare the wealthiest ones, such as the French Quarter, which is the biggest draw for tourists. "We let people say what they think," he said, noting the government did destroy levees during the 1927 Great Flood of Mississippi. "We have people from the Lower Ninth Ward who swear on a stack of Bibles they heard explosions. We have scientists say that it wasn't explosions, that they heard water going through a levee."
He told CNN: "I don't put anything past the US government. I don't find it too far-fetched that they tried to displace all the black people out of New Orleans." The main culprits to emerge from the documentary are the Army Corps of Engineers, for how they built the levees, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, for how it mishandled the crisis.
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Posted: Thursday August 17th, 2006 14:19 |
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thanks
saw the interview on Tavis Smiley last night....
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Posted: Friday August 18th, 2006 03:45 |
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Hey you stole my thread....lol, I was just about to post a thread on Spike's Documentary. I hear it's going to be good, and I don't even have the channel it's going to be broadcasted on, dang. I love Spike's work, because he tells it like it is.. And I just heard Spike over the radio talking about the documentary being shown this coming Monday and Tuesday. The shocking part of the radio interview was what you mentioned in your post: In interviews, and in the documentary, Lee refused to reject the belief, held by many black residents, that the government bombed the levees, flooding the poorest areas to spare the wealthiest ones, such as the French Quarter, which is the biggest draw for tourists. "We let people say what they think," he said, noting the government did destroy levees during the 1927 Great Flood of Mississippi. "We have people from the Lower Ninth Ward who swear on a stack of Bibles they heard explosions. We have scientists say that it wasn't explosions, that they heard water going through a levee." Ain't that some B.S., never have really trusted those in power... because they do what they want for personal gain, and let their position go to their heads. Funny thing is they think they don't have to answer for the lives that they destroy or people they've stepped on to maintain there position of power. I'm go to the cable company and order the channel that Spike's film will be broadcasted on. Big-ups to Spike Lee and 40 acres and a mule productions.
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Posted: Monday August 21st, 2006 06:49 |
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By ERIN TEXEIRA
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NEW YORK (AP) _ Several weeks after Hurricane Katrina drowned New Orleans, Spike Lee called the HBO cable television company to propose a monumental documentary on the storm, the ensuing flood and its aftermath, focusing on the suffering of black residents of the city.
The first half of Lee's heartbreaking film, ``When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts,'' debuts Monday.
The four-hour documentary marks a career milestone for Lee. Twenty years ago this month, his first feature film, ``She's Gotta Have It,'' hit theaters to instant praise from critics. Since then, he has released an average of one film every year, including this year's ``Inside Man,'' his most profitable with $185 million (euro144.6 million) in global sales.
Nearly all of Lee's films have strong African-American themes and characters. Though filmmakers have always dabbled in racial topics, Lee, who is black, has been unique. Steadfastly chipping away at the subject in ever more complex ways, he has helped make race and ethnicity central to American film.
``He's made a tremendous difference in the history of American cinema,'' said Jacqueline Stewart, a film professor at Northwestern University in Chicago who teaches a class on Lee's work. ``Spike Lee's films get people to talk about what race means and how race continues to function in our society.''
For years, Lee did that with an in-your-face approach _ characters that yelled racial slurs at the screen, on-screen brawls between whites and blacks. Lee himself was often in front of the camera, playing a string of incendiary sidekick characters. He also often wrote, produced and directed his films, enlisting family members to contribute music, writing and acting.
But in recent years, he has stepped back. He did not write or appear on-screen in ``Inside Man,'' ``She Hate Me'' in 2004 or 2002's ``25th Hour.'' Though he remains focused on black America, his approach has become quieter, less self-conscious.
``Levees'' reflects that.
Using current and historical footage, music and more than 100 interviews, the film reminds viewers that although Katrina shattered the entire Gulf Coast, New Orleans and its mostly black residents got hit especially hard. Thousands fought to survive deadly floodwaters for days while federal help was slow in coming. Many are left today with a nearly ruined city and broken hearts.
Lee conducted each of the interviews, and viewers occasionally hear him asking questions, but he never steps in front of the camera. There is no narrator telling viewers that New Orleans was abandoned, or that this may have happened because most residents are black. There is no need.
``Let the people tell it, the witnesses,'' said Lee, 49, during an interview this week. ``People are giving testimonial, sharing all the rage and anger. What they're doing is sharing their humanity with us.''
Nevins said the film is ``a surrender of the ego of the maker to the people.''
Despite heavy media coverage of Katrina, the film pulls together the before, during and after of the storm in a way that manages to be agonizingly fresh.
One man tells of being forced to abandon his dead mother's body in the city's Superdome. He pinned a note with his phone number on her shroud. Some spew rage as they insist that the city's protective levees, which gave way and flooded most of the city, were bombed.
Cameras follow trumpeter Terence Blanchard, the longtime composer for Lee's films and a New Orleans native, as he and his mother visit the family home in the Gentilly Woods section of the city for the first time since the flood. ``Oh Lord have mercy,'' weeps Wilhelmina Blanchard, nearly hysterical. ``You can rebuild this stuff,'' Terence murmurs, clutching her shoulders. ``That's easier said than done,'' she says. ``I knew it was devastation but I didn't think it was this bad.''
Blanchard reflects later that day: ``When we went into the house, that was really hard because, you know, it's like I can't go home.'' He stops, choked up. An ominous drumbeat finishes his thoughts.
The film, Lee said, is ultimately a plea to renew the city, where most of those forced out have not yet returned, tons of debris remains and there is no comprehensive rebuilding plan. ``We want this film to spur action,'' he said. ``Things still aren't right. People are still suffering.''
This is partly why HBO gave it four hours, making it the channel's longest documentary. Two-hour segments air Monday and Tuesday.
``You never could tell the whole story because the story's still being told, but you sure couldn't tell it in two hours,'' Nevins said. ``I don't know any other filmmaker who could have been a better match. I just don't know anyone with that kind of talent.''
It's a long way from 1986. Lee, four years out of New York University's film school, was selling T-shirts outside a midtown Manhattan theater urging people to see ``She's Gotta Have It,'' about a black woman and her three boyfriends. He was living in a rented basement apartment in the Fort Greene section of Brooklyn, where he grew up and still has offices for his production studio, 40 Acres & a Mule Filmworks.
Three years later came ``Do the Right Thing.'' It weaves a sentimental gaze at brownstone Brooklyn with the explosive tensions among blacks, Italian-Americans and police on a scorching summer day. After the police kill a black man, a fiery riot erupts and the neighborhood is ripped apart. It firmly planted Lee on the culture map, winning him staunch critics and supporters.
Lee is ``the epitome of the independent auteur of the '90s and the 21st century,'' said William J. Palmer, a film professor at Purdue University who has included Lee's films in his classes for
14 years.
Stewart, the Northwestern professor, said it's hard to imagine a film like last year's ``Crash,'' which explored ethnic clashes in Los Angeles, being made without Lee's influence. It won the Oscar for best picture.
Lee himself says he's most proud that he helped the careers of some of the nation's most celebrated actors and filmmakers. Halle Berry's first film role was a crack addict in 1991's ``Jungle Fever.'' Rosie Perez and Martin Lawrence were first seen on film in ``Do the Right Thing.'' Filmmaker John Singleton _ who wrote and directed ``Boyz n the Hood'' in 1991 and directed ``Four Brothers'' last year _ was in high school when he sought out Lee and declared that he, too, would become a filmmaker.
Lee says he's considering a follow-up documentary to ``Levees,''
perhaps focusing on how New Orleans' black middle class has been gutted, and what that may mean to the city.
For now, he's spending little time pondering his 20-year milestone. ``What I'm trying to do is just get better,'' he said. ``Become a better storyteller. That's what I do.''
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 02:08 |
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| Very very powerful.Lots of stuff you never saw on CNN or Fox.Spike is on his "A" game.
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 07:49 |
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i want to see it
anyone know how we can see it in the uk
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 12:53 |
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LadyDay wrote: i want to see it
anyone know how we can see it in the uk
By now part 1 is on Youtube or other hosting sites by now.
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 17:33 |
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| Spike Lee's documentary about Hurricane Katrina would inevitably generate controversy based on the maltreatment of black victims by racist USA government. Simultaneously, it wouldn't change anything as white racism would not get any less. I remember hearing on Fox-news a white new orleans resident praying blacks in new orleans never return to new orleans for good. Where are the pathetic African-American marines on blackchat?
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 22:10 |
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I am trying to stay off this thread because it really sparks a hatred in me that you could not understand for the US and a lot of AA's that stood around watching as well. So before you come to say something about Marines or former Marines like me, I can say I went to New Orleans while you watched on tv, I got a gun, I got a boat, I grabbed as much as I could carry in an SUV and I hit I-55 and passed through Mississippi and lost power just past Jackson MS, so not only did I go down into hell, I went down with only the gas I had in the truck and in containers before the gov't and a lot of the reporters.
The MARINES prepared me to go into situations like this without looking for help from others. If I had not gone to the MARINES, I would have opted to stay at home and watch this on television and not place myself in danger
Unlike a lot of people, I don't DEPEND on the white man to come and do something for my people, I GO TO DO FOR MY PEOPLE. So before you come on here preaching about the MARINES and people who joined you need to check yourself because on this you are talking off of a documentary and I do not remember a lot of you who went to aid people in New Orleans or Birmingham, all you can say is you watched came on here and vented and donated a dollar or two and went on with your life, instead of doing what you come on here preaching about and actually helping Afrcans.............................
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Posted: Tuesday August 22nd, 2006 22:35 |
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Unlike a lot of people, I don't DEPEND on the white man to come and do something for my people, I GO TO DO FOR MY PEOPLE.
I would not call it dependence on or requesting assistance from the whiteman, but constitutional rights of millions of blacks in New Orleans as entrenched in the constitution. Blacks in that city pay their tax on a regular basis to the Government and on that basis, deserved to be treated with respect and dignity as such like their Whitey counterparts for whom people like you put their life on the line for.
So before you come on here preaching about the MARINES and people who joined you need to check yourself because on this you are talking off of a documentary and I do not remember a lot of you who went to aid people in New Orleans or Birmingham, all you can say is you watched came on here and vented and donated a dollar or two and went on with your life, instead of doing what you come on here preaching about and actually helping Afrcans.............................
Every dollar or pound donated counts. What is your point? I aint no Che Guevara. People like you have been putting your life on the line for whiteys from time immemorial who treat you like cow dung, and claimed to being disrespected by any black person who questions your motives for joining the whiteman's marine in the first place. You need to get yourself a mirror and look in that mirror and tell me what you see afterwards, prior to accuse people like me of anything. Take heed, whiteman's is not getting any less.
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Posted: Wednesday August 23rd, 2006 16:12 |
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obal85 wrote: Unlike a lot of people, I don't DEPEND on the white man to come and do something for my people, I GO TO DO FOR MY PEOPLE.
I would not call it dependence on or requesting assistance from the whiteman, but constitutional rights of millions of blacks in New Orleans as entrenched in the constitution. Blacks in that city pay their tax on a regular basis to the Government and on that basis, deserved to be treated with respect and dignity as such like their Whitey counterparts for whom people like you put their life on the line for.
So before you come on here preaching about the MARINES and people who joined you need to check yourself because on this you are talking off of a documentary and I do not remember a lot of you who went to aid people in New Orleans or Birmingham, all you can say is you watched came on here and vented and donated a dollar or two and went on with your life, instead of doing what you come on here preaching about and actually helping Afrcans.............................
Every dollar or pound donated counts. What is your point? I aint no Che Guevara. People like you have been putting your life on the line for whiteys from time immemorial who treat you like cow dung, and claimed to being disrespected by any black person who questions your motives for joining the whiteman's marine in the first place. You need to get yourself a mirror and look in that mirror and tell me what you see afterwards, prior to accuse people like me of anything. Take heed, whiteman's is not getting any less.
Follow this if you can as I am being relatively calm and nice on this......
1. I am not going to get into a senseless argument with you as the last time we had a "discussion" it turns out you were a SQL admin working around whites who did not let them know how you felt as you did not want to jeapordize your job nor at the time had even gone to Africa to help in your parents homeland. Hey if you like it I love it but don't start pointing fingers at me when you apparently have your own issues you are working through.
2. You cross yourself with your words. In one statement you claim we should not do anything for whitey, but then you come back and say whitey should do for us. Then you come back later in other threads and talk about self suffienciency.
We cannot have it both ways. We either do for our own or we wait on whitey, so which is it you prefer, as a lot of people like you here and over there seem to have this so misconstrued you really do not know which side you stand on. IF the gov't is whitey and we pay whitey taxes ,the same whitey that still abuses us and has never come to our aid before, why are we surprised that whitey decides not to risk whitey's life to save us during a disaster? Where is the logic behind this? Trust me, I am sure Lamumba and Malcolm X never wanted to be Che Guevaras either but the situation of their people at the time called for it and they did it in their own way. They did not shirk responsibility onto the current government to come to their people's rescue even though they were paying taxes......
3. Yeah I fought for this country, but you know the funny part about it? The so called Islamic fundamentalists and a lot of other people in the world do not see any difference between you and I as they see BOTH of us carrying out the capitalist ways. They only would have seen me pick up a gun in the past to fight for America while they see you as supporting it by being in the UK period and helping pay for the bombs dropped on them and the disruption in their country. You cannot stand in a pigpen ankle deep and point at the ones you deem pigs as dirty without looking at the dirt on yourself. You can try to comfort yourself in your "innocence" all you want but your tax dollar is paying for the bombs and bullets of the UK.....When the bombings happened here, Kenya and in London did anyone from AlQueda make a call to Africans and say get out we are going to ignite a bomb or did they deem us the same for working for capitalists in line with America? What about the people from different nationalities who were beheaded in Iraq who were only contractors coming to rebuild? Were they seen as being neutral or on the side of the enemy? While you may consider yourself neutral trust me, your residence in the UK marks you as an enemy on their card.......
4. True donated dollars help, but as strange as it may sound to you, no dollar helped when I was down there. When I hit Kenner and Metairie going into New Orleans both towns were pretty desolate and people were grabbing what they could to survive. Dollars do not count or matter in times of survival like that. From the people we saw in the stores to the people we saw who needed help, to the people we saw wading in sewage water, to the bodies floating in the water, or even the woman with the baby who I could not tell her that was dead I dropped off at the makeshift triage at the airport on my way out to Houston to continue my search. DONATED DOLLARS did not do a damned thing that day.
Like I have told countless AAs here who are constantly preaching about "when the revolution comes" well it came and where were you? Sitting at home watching CNN or FOX news and making preparations to give $20 dollars to the "revolution".....Here was the chance to do something in the face of an African crisis and many who would willing run out and buy rims or clothing stayed at home and did nothing because the white man did nothing. Well they were mad, but that anger never transformed into action, they will burn down their damned communities in a minute over Rodney King being beaten but leave thousands of women and children to fend for themselves. Here was the chance to show the world that in the face of danger Africans did not need a damned gov't, but in the million man march themes a chance for AAs to step up and help other Africans instead we sat back and waited on the white man who waited until the extreme danger subsided and came in to "help"
If African Americans had gotten up off their asses and came to take people to safety, it would have embarrassed the hell out of this government. If we had been about taking care of our own instead of TALKING about taking care of our own, the government would not have mattered at all. Still no one wants to even face themselves in the mirror today on this as it is easier to say you would give your life for Africans that to actually RISK your life for Africans
5. As many times, as I have been over the world, I have seen the US is not the only ones that kill Africans, Africans kill Africans, Europeans kill Africans, and Middle Easterners killed Africans, heck even Israel has raided Africa. Yet you want to lie serving in the military on the African American Marines? Which again proves you know NOTHING about my country. Because if you really looked, here instead of reading you would see that my country cares about nothing but its RICH.
Follow this if you can. WHile the New Orleans people suffered were almost all African Americans, inthe outlying areas around New Orleans and to the east of her a lot of whites live. Those areas remained decimated and received no help either. I wanted to go east on I-10 to Biloxi because I knew people stationed there, but the flood waters made that impossible and there was no way in hell I was getting off 55 or 10 because I knew that the interstates were clear but not sure of the other roads were as far as trees and possible flooding or sink holes. While NO was shown the most, trust me the many many many poor whites left behind did not receive any help ether and were surprised as hell they were treated like African Americans
And as far as the military is concerned, guess what did you know that poor white soldiers suffer the same disgraces as African Americans when they come home for treatment here? Sure we still have the stigma of being Africans to them but the suffering going on at the Veterans Administration around the country is pathetic if you consider the harm that many of these people have placed themselves in for anyone of any race. My country does not only not care about AAs but neither poor people period so we have a double mark against us in the majority of cases.
6. Many African Americans in NO were jobless they had a HUGE unemployent rate before the floods, so what taxes did they pay to the city? The federal gov't was paying to subsidize many of them. TO the gov't, it was cheaper NOT to help them instead of spending even more money to help people you already help on a monthly basis. To many of you, you were surprised that the US had people as poor and helpless as the ones in the US and now that you have seen the level of poverty in this country which has been broadcast in so many rap videos it is ridiculous, that you are all of a sudden experts? That is like me saying that I am an expert on what is going on in the Congo or Zimbabwe, I may have my feelings on it, but I cannot claim to be an expert on it because I saw it on TV.
7. Again question my motives cool, but at least I can say I took something away from the Marines which was do for self and gained some skills which allowed me to help others. I have no problem using what I used to take lives to be able save lives. yet question your own for staying in a capitalist country and paying for capitalist wars. I mean you work pay taxes which buy the bullets used by Marines to kill people in other countries......just like the man who hands a robber a gun in a store, whether you like it or not you are an accessory, and to others you will be charged just like a criminal as an accessory, so you keep pleading your innocence, at least I know where I stand. You should come to grips on where you stand and move back to Africa if it bothers you that much because as long as you stand in the UK or the US or any European colonizer of African countries and work for one of their companies you can't point a finger at anyone based on your tax dollars alone....
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Posted: Wednesday August 23rd, 2006 16:35 |
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Got your back Safety. If being a member of the armed forces is being a sellout, so is working for the government, being a police officer, being a teacher, etc., etc.
We all "sell out" to a certain degree anyway. We have to fit in, no whatever Western society we find ourselves in. The issue is to fit in. . .while being "conscious".
That's where the phrase "socially conscious" comes from. We aren't trying to tear down "White" society. We are trying to change it to be fairer. Because in the end, we are going to participate in it. There is no stopping that.
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Posted: Wednesday August 23rd, 2006 19:59 |
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Safetyblitz wrote: Follow this if you can as I am being relatively calm and nice on this......
2. You cross yourself with your words. In one statement you claim we should not do anything for whitey, but then you come back and say whitey should do for us. Then you come back later in other threads and talk about self suffienciency.
There was nothing bamboozled about my words. Its explicit. You were the one who confused fight for ones god given right with dependence on whiteys. I would like to seize this opportunity to take you back in time to the civil right era in your country. Millions of blacks in the south paid their taxes on a regular basis to the predominantly white authorities, but were being forbidden to sit anywhere they wanted to on a bus. Would you consider their fight/struggle to be respected and treated equally with whiteys as being dependence on whiteys or fight for their god given right? What has self-sufficiency got to do with a marginalised black person born and bred in America who put their lives on the line for Halliburton, White Alliance etc.? It just does not add up. How is that being helpful to your own community? I cannot comprehend this kind of mentality.
We cannot have it both ways. We either do for our own or we wait on whitey, so which is it you prefer,
We can do for our own and fight for our given right simultaneously and that does not mean we are waiting on whitey. Thats my preference.
as a lot of people like you here and over there seem to have this so misconstrued you really do not know which side you stand on. IF the gov't is whitey and we pay whitey taxes ,the same whitey that still abuses us and has never come to our aid before, why are we surprised that whitey decides not to risk whitey's life to save us during a disaster? Where is the logic behind this? Trust me, I am sure Lamumba and Malcolm X never wanted to be Che Guevaras either but the situation of their people at the time called for it and they did it in their own way. They did not shirk responsibility onto the current government to come to their people's rescue even though they were paying taxes......
They did not put their lives on the line for those who marginalised their own people economically and militarily too unlike you and others. You aint making any sense as no one advocates waiting on whiteys on blackchat. People like you are the whiteys' first port of call when your own people take to the streets to demand justice/equal right for their own people. You point guns at your own people on the orders of a mere pig who cannot even wait to see your destruction entirely from this world and you dare me compare my occupation to your yours which i find preposterous.
3. Yeah I fought for this country, but you know the funny part about it?
You fight for the white alliance, kkk and countless others rolled into one. Please stand corrected.
The so called Islamic fundamentalists and a lot of other people in the world do not see any difference between you and I as they see BOTH of us carrying out the capitalist ways. They only would have seen me pick up a gun in the past to fight for America while they see you as supporting it by being in the UK period and helping pay for the bombs dropped on them and the disruption in their country. You cannot stand in a pigpen ankle deep and point at the ones you deem pigs as dirty without looking at the dirt on yourself. You can try to comfort yourself in your "innocence" all you want but your tax dollar is paying for the bombs and bullets of the UK
Unlike you, i would never justify atrocities committed in the name of white supremacy, black supremacy or whatever supremacy or cause. I aint no guilty of whats going in the Middle East.
.....When the bombings happened here, Kenya and in London did anyone from AlQueda make a call to Africans and say get out we are going to ignite a bomb or did they deem us the same for working for capitalists in line with America? What about the people from different nationalities who were beheaded in Iraq who were only contractors coming to rebuild? Were they seen as being neutral or on the side of the enemy? While you may consider yourself neutral trust me, your residence in the UK marks you as an enemy on their card.......
Dont deviate from the subject at hand. To hell with Al-qaeda, white supremacists political leaders in USA and Europe. Yes, i am neutral with regards to whats going on in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Iran and please stop being my personal spokesperson cos i have got my own mind.
4. True donated dollars help, but as strange as it may sound to you, no dollar helped when I was down there. When I hit Kenner and Metairie going into New Orleans both towns were pretty desolate and people were grabbing what they could to survive. Dollars do not count or matter in times of survival like that. From the people we saw in the stores to the people we saw who needed help, to the people we saw wading in sewage water, to the bodies floating in the water, or even the woman with the baby who I could not tell her that was dead I dropped off at the makeshift triage at the airport on my way out to Houston to continue my search. DONATED DOLLARS did not do a damned thing that day.
Wasn't Hurricane Katrina's black experience enough to make you change your profession? You had seen the sufferings of your people and continue to justify fighting for the whiteman's supremacy cause. If thats not insanity, i wonder what else would be called in this age.
Like I have told countless AAs here who are constantly preaching about "when the revolution comes" well it came and where were you? Sitting at home watching CNN or FOX news and making preparations to give $20 dollars to the "revolution".....Here was the chance to do something in the face of an African crisis and many who would willing run out and buy rims or clothing stayed at home and did nothing because the white man did nothing. Well they were mad, but that anger never transformed into action, they will burn down their damned communities in a minute over Rodney King being beaten but leave thousands of women and children to fend for themselves. Here was the chance to show the world that in the face of danger Africans did not need a damned gov't, but in the million man march themes a chance for AAs to step up and help other Africans instead we sat back and waited on the white man who waited until the extreme danger subsided and came in to "help"
If African Americans had gotten up off their asses and came to take people to safety, it would have embarrassed the hell out of this government. If we had been about taking care of our own instead of TALKING about taking care of our own, the government would not have mattered at all. Still no one wants to even face themselves in the mirror today on this as it is easier to say you would give your life for Africans that to actually RISK your life for Africans
5. As many times, as I have been over the world, I have seen the US is not the only ones that kill Africans, Africans kill Africans, Europeans kill Africans, and Middle Easterners killed Africans, heck even Israel has raided Africa.
Africans kill Africans in civil wars. African Americans kill African Americans in a politically stable country and 44% of deathrow prisoners in the US are African Americans. Europeans kill Africans and vice versa in South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe. Israel is raiding African American communities economically from time immemorial and hasn't ceased. Whats your point brother?
Yet you want to lie serving in the military on the African American Marines? Which again proves you know NOTHING about my country. Because if you really looked, here instead of reading you would see that my country cares about nothing but its RICH.
Follow this if you can. WHile the New Orleans people suffered were almost all African Americans, inthe outlying areas around New Orleans and to the east of her a lot of whites live. Those areas remained decimated and received no help either. I wanted to go east on I-10 to Biloxi because I knew people stationed there, but the flood waters made that impossible and there was no way in hell I was getting off 55 or 10 because I knew that the interstates were clear but not sure of the other roads were as far as trees and possible flooding or sink holes.
The plight of your people in the aftermath of katrina should made you consider a job change, but unfortunately it reinforces white supremacy. Like most black people in the world, i am for blacks helping blacks to the exclusion of others. Blacks in America serving in the USA marines are detrimental to the progress and development of blacks in North America. Colin Powell and Condi Rice are the living proof.
While NO was shown the most, trust me the many many many poor whites left behind did not receive any help ether and were surprised as hell they were treated like African Americans
You and i both know that the US Government treated poverty-stricken whites like AfroAmericans cos they did not want to be seen as being biased against African America, hence left the poor whiteys in the midst of blacks to suffer along with them.
And as far as the military is concerned, guess what did you know that poor white soldiers suffer the same disgraces as African Americans when they come home for treatment here? Sure we still have the stigma of being Africans to them but the suffering going on at the Veterans Administration around the country is pathetic if you consider the harm that many of these people have placed themselves in for anyone of any race. My country does not only not care about AAs but neither poor people period so we have a double mark against us in the majority of cases.
Nope i dont buy that. White soldiers get good treatment from their own people cos they contribute immensely to white supremacy cause, hence they are heroes to their own people. The same cannot be said about you black marines and thats factually based.
6. Many African Americans in NO were jobless they had a HUGE unemployent rate before the floods, so what taxes did they pay to the city? The federal gov't was paying to subsidize many of them. TO the gov't, it was cheaper NOT to help them instead of spending even more money to help people you already help on a monthly basis. To many of you, you were surprised that the US had people as poor and helpless as the ones in the US and now that you have seen the level of poverty in this country which has been broadcast in so many rap videos it is ridiculous, that you are all of a sudden experts? That is like me saying that I am an expert on what is going on in the Congo or Zimbabwe, I may have my feelings on it, but I cannot claim to be an expert on it because I saw it on TV.
Are you so naive that income tax is not the only form of taxation paid to the Government. Most blacks in NO own a car and some of them pay penalty fines if they park their cars illegally dont they? Do you need Fox-News and CNN to know that?
7. Again question my motives cool, but at least I can say I took something away from the Marines which was do for self and gained some skills which allowed me to help others. I have no problem using what I used to take lives to be able save lives. yet question your own for staying in a capitalist country and paying for capitalist wars. I mean you work pay taxes which buy the bullets used by Marines to kill people in other countries......just like the man who hands a robber a gun in a store, whether you like it or not you are an accessory, and to others you will be charged just like a criminal as an accessory, so you keep pleading your innocence, at least I know where I stand.
Yes i do work and pay taxes and based on that, i aint guilty of anything unlike you who killed on the order of your white superior officers. Go on, keep taking pride in killing innocent children and women wherever you get sent. My hands are not stained with anybody's blood period.
You should come to grips on where you stand and move back to Africa if it bothers you that much because as long as you stand in the UK or the US or any European colonizer of African countries and work for one of their companies you can't point a finger at anyone based on your tax dollars alone....
If you think i'm ashamed to say i'm an African, then you are out of your mind. I will continue to point fingers at people like you for fighting shamelessly for your people's enemy. I personally have no cause to be ashamed for working and paying taxes as your allegation is baseless and unreasonable.
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Psyche...calm down...I'm just playing bro...I feel where you're coming from. I work for one of the largest government defense contractors in the world, and we make the weapons that I'm sure you used at some point in the Marines and the weapons used by our armed forces today. You can say I contribute to the killing of Arabs, including the ones Israel kills given we sell our weapons to them as well.
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obal85 wrote: Safetyblitz wrote: Follow this if you can as I am being relatively calm and nice on this......
2. You cross yourself with your words. In one statement you claim we should not do anything for whitey, but then you come back and say whitey should do for us. Then you come back later in other threads and talk about self suffienciency.
There was nothing bamboozled about my words. Its explicit. You were the one who confused fight for ones god given right with dependence on whiteys. I would like to seize this opportunity to take you back in time to the civil right era in your country. Millions of blacks in the south paid their taxes on a regular basis to the predominantly white authorities, but were being forbidden to sit anywhere they wanted to on a bus. Would you consider their fight/struggle to be respected and treated equally with whiteys as being dependence on whiteys or fight for their god given right? What has self-sufficiency got to do with a marginalised black person born and bred in America who put their lives on the line for Halliburton, White Alliance etc.? It just does not add up. How is that being helpful to your own community? I cannot comprehend this kind of mentality.
We cannot have it both ways. We either do for our own or we wait on whitey, so which is it you prefer,
We can do for our own and fight for our given right simultaneously and that does not mean we are waiting on whitey. Thats my preference.
as a lot of people like you here and over there seem to have this so misconstrued you really do not know which side you stand on. IF the gov't is whitey and we pay whitey taxes ,the same whitey that still abuses us and has never come to our aid before, why are we surprised that whitey decides not to risk whitey's life to save us during a disaster? Where is the logic behind this? Trust me, I am sure Lamumba and Malcolm X never wanted to be Che Guevaras either but the situation of their people at the time called for it and they did it in their own way. They did not shirk responsibility onto the current government to come to their people's rescue even though they were paying taxes......
They did not put their lives on the line for those who marginalised their own people economically and militarily too unlike you and others. You aint making any sense as no one advocates waiting on whiteys on blackchat. People like you are the whiteys' first port of call when your own people take to the streets to demand justice/equal right for their own people. You point guns at your own people on the orders of a mere pig who cannot even wait to see your destruction entirely from this world and you dare me compare my occupation to your yours which i find preposterous.
3. Yeah I fought for this country, but you know the funny part about it?
You fight for the white alliance, kkk and countless others rolled into one. Please stand corrected.
The so called Islamic fundamentalists and a lot of other people in the world do not see any difference between you and I as they see BOTH of us carrying out the capitalist ways. They only would have seen me pick up a gun in the past to fight for America while they see you as supporting it by being in the UK period and helping pay for the bombs dropped on them and the disruption in their country. You cannot stand in a pigpen ankle deep and point at the ones you deem pigs as dirty without looking at the dirt on yourself. You can try to comfort yourself in your "innocence" all you want but your tax dollar is paying for the bombs and bullets of the UK
Unlike you, i would never justify atrocities committed in the name of white supremacy, black supremacy or whatever supremacy or cause. I aint no guilty of whats going in the Middle East.
.....When the bombings happened here, Kenya and in London did anyone from AlQueda make a call to Africans and say get out we are going to ignite a bomb or did they deem us the same for working for capitalists in line with America? What about the people from different nationalities who were beheaded in Iraq who were only contractors coming to rebuild? Were they seen as being neutral or on the side of the enemy? While you may consider yourself neutral trust me, your residence in the UK marks you as an enemy on their card.......
Dont deviate from the subject at hand. To hell with Al-qaeda, white supremacists political leaders in USA and Europe. Yes, i am neutral with regards to whats going on in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Iran and please stop being my personal spokesperson cos i have got my own mind.
4. True donated dollars help, but as strange as it may sound to you, no dollar helped when I was down there. When I hit Kenner and Metairie going into New Orleans both towns were pretty desolate and people were grabbing what they could to survive. Dollars do not count or matter in times of survival like that. From the people we saw in the stores to the people we saw who needed help, to the people we saw wading in sewage water, to the bodies floating in the water, or even the woman with the baby who I could not tell her that was dead I dropped off at the makeshift triage at the airport on my way out to Houston to continue my search. DONATED DOLLARS did not do a damned thing that day.
Wasn't Hurricane Katrina's black experience enough to make you change your profession? You had seen the sufferings of your people and continue to justify fighting for the whiteman's supremacy cause. If thats not insanity, i wonder what else would be called in this age.
Like I have told countless AAs here who are constantly preaching about "when the revolution comes" well it came and where were you? Sitting at home watching CNN or FOX news and making preparations to give $20 dollars to the "revolution".....Here was the chance to do something in the face of an African crisis and many who would willing run out and buy rims or clothing stayed at home and did nothing because the white man did nothing. Well they were mad, but that anger never transformed into action, they will burn down their damned communities in a minute over Rodney King being beaten but leave thousands of women and children to fend for themselves. Here was the chance to show the world that in the face of danger Africans did not need a damned gov't, but in the million man march themes a chance for AAs to step up and help other Africans instead we sat back and waited on the white man who waited until the extreme danger subsided and came in to "help"
If African Americans had gotten up off their asses and came to take people to safety, it would have embarrassed the hell out of this government. If we had been about taking care of our own instead of TALKING about taking care of our own, the government would not have mattered at all. Still no one wants to even face themselves in the mirror today on this as it is easier to say you would give your life for Africans that to actually RISK your life for Africans
5. As many times, as I have been over the world, I have seen the US is not the only ones that kill Africans, Africans kill Africans, Europeans kill Africans, and Middle Easterners killed Africans, heck even Israel has raided Africa.
Africans kill Africans in civil wars. African Americans kill African Americans in a politically stable country and 44% of deathrow prisoners in the US are African Americans. Europeans kill Africans and vice versa in South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe. Israel is raiding African American communities economically from time immemorial and hasn't ceased. Whats your point brother?
Yet you want to lie serving in the military on the African American Marines? Which again proves you know NOTHING about my country. Because if you really looked, here instead of reading you would see that my country cares about nothing but its RICH.
Follow this if you can. WHile the New Orleans people suffered were almost all African Americans, inthe outlying areas around New Orleans and to the east of her a lot of whites live. Those areas remained decimated and received no help either. I wanted to go east on I-10 to Biloxi because I knew people stationed there, but the flood waters made that impossible and there was no way in hell I was getting off 55 or 10 because I knew that the interstates were clear but not sure of the other roads were as far as trees and possible flooding or sink holes.
The plight of your people in the aftermath of katrina should made you consider a job change, but unfortunately it reinforces white supremacy. Like most black people in the world, i am for blacks helping blacks to the exclusion of others. Blacks in America serving in the USA marines are detrimental to the progress and development of blacks in North America. Colin Powell and Condi Rice are the living proof.
While NO was shown the most, trust me the many many many poor whites left behind did not receive any help ether and were surprised as hell they were treated like African Americans
You and i both know that the US Government treated poverty-stricken whites like AfroAmericans cos they did not want to be seen as being biased against African America, hence left the poor whiteys in the midst of blacks to suffer along with them.
And as far as the military is concerned, guess what did you know that poor white soldiers suffer the same disgraces as African Americans when they come home for treatment here? Sure we still have the stigma of being Africans to them but the suffering going on at the Veterans Administration around the countr | | | |
