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Posted: Monday July 17th, 2006 00:50 |
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http://imdb.com/title/tt0785063/
So who's going to see the movie?
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Posted: Monday July 17th, 2006 00:59 |
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I'll be first person in line...
I love Danny Glover's work behind the scenes to tell the story....
i may organize a drive to sell out all theaters showing this the first weekend...
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Posted: Monday July 17th, 2006 01:02 |
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the entire wolrd, regardless of how they feel about Haiti, or Haitians..MUST respect what happened during the Haitian Revolution.......
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Posted: Monday July 17th, 2006 04:27 |
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DtotheJ wrote: the entire wolrd, regardless of how they feel about Haiti, or Haitians..MUST respect what happened during the Haitian Revolution.......
I agree, I'm not really surprise that we don't learn enough about the history of Haiti, but I do feel it's important. I wish they had more Haitian actors and actresses, but I hope some of the A-Listers in the movie will do it some justice.
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Posted: Tuesday July 18th, 2006 03:14 |
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Glover led a tourism/discovery delegation to Haiti a few years back.....tryino pump money into the economy....he's a true modern day hero.....
I read the imdb coments, and added my own, I feel that Hatian, martinique, guadaloupe, and the distinct areas in africa where many haitans are originally from..should be scouted for extras and minor roles....
think the reality of hollywood dictates that an accomplished actor takes on the primary roles....if it's a Haitan actor, that's wonderful....but more importat to have a great Black actor in that role....
L'ouverture was one of the great military minds in history of the world.....the film MUST capture his essence....
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Posted: Tuesday July 18th, 2006 04:08 |
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| I would love to see this movie, but I have a feeling it won't be nationwide, my state doesn't seem to catch some of these interesting movies. I love watching movies about black history, I like watching anything to enrich me about black history.
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Posted: Wednesday July 19th, 2006 18:17 |
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hope they don't sugarcoat the story.......
unfortunately.......TL died in a damned jail cell before we had actually defeated the French for good..
very complex story......
BBC, yeah, unless you live next to NYC or LA, you will miss out on lots of film that never make wide release...the silver lining is that everything eventually comes out on dvd.
TL had counterparts in US(nat turner)...Jamaica, Brasil, etc...I hope they make reference to these freedom fighters from across the diaspora who had the same PROUD African spirit........
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Posted: Wednesday July 19th, 2006 20:44 |
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DtotheJ wrote: hope they don't sugarcoat the story.......
Me either. That's why I hate Hollywood, it either tells half of the truth or none of it.
unfortunately.......TL died in a damned jail cell before we had actually defeated the French for good..
That's sad. I didn't know that, that's why I want to see this movie because in History class in school they always glossed over it, but never really got into the nitty gritty of things and it always intrigued although I didn't get enough information about the Hatian revolt.
very complex story......
BBC, yeah, unless you live next to NYC or LA, you will miss out on lots of film that never make wide release...the silver lining is that everything eventually comes out on dvd.
Yeah that's true.
TL had counterparts in US(nat turner)...Jamaica, Brasil, etc...I hope they make reference to these freedom fighters from across the diaspora who had the same PROUD African spirit........
I have always asked myself, what would have differently with us now if all these revolts were successful?
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 01:16 |
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Haitian revolution embarassed the western world....how DARE these Africans rise up and remove the chains from around their ankles and kick the whites out of the country......
at the time the european church, science, and politicians were tripping over themselves trying to "prove" that Africans were inferior to whites..
and the victory in Haiti by Africans upset that entire school of thought....
anyway, that's reality and we all know that...BUT Haiti and Haitians are very isolated.... we speak a language that nobody else in th world speals(kryeol)..the official language of the island (french)isn't the 1st, 2nd, or third most dominant language in the western hemisphere....
spanish , english, portugese.....
so for that reason and for others..our story has not been told and spread throughout the world...and it's up to us to tell it...
the rest of the world associates Haiti with poverty..and hollywood version of voodoo....and until more Haitians start telling our stories..that's the world will ever know...
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 01:53 |
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DtotheJ wrote: Haitian revolution embarassed the western world....how DARE these Africans rise up and remove the chains from around their ankles and kick the whites out of the country......
at the time the european church, science, and politicians were tripping over themselves trying to "prove" that Africans were inferior to whites..
and the victory in Haiti by Africans upset that entire school of thought....
anyway, that's reality and we all know that...BUT Haiti and Haitians are very isolated.... we speak a language that nobody else in th world speals(kryeol)..the official language of the island (french)isn't the 1st, 2nd, or third most dominant language in the western hemisphere....
spanish , english, portugese.....
so for that reason and for others..our story has not been told and spread throughout the world...and it's up to us to tell it...
the rest of the world associates Haiti with poverty..and hollywood version of voodoo....and until more Haitians start telling our stories..that's the world will ever know...
Interesting stuff....Are you Hatian?
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 02:08 |
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| I would love to see this movie. I hope they do Toussaint and Haiti justice with the film, though.
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 07:43 |
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| Don't hold you breath. Because if the wrong studio is behind the movie or the wrong writers and director they will make him look like a run away slave who killed some helpless French soldiers who later conquered the savages. Instead of a free black man who was educateed and intelligent who outwitted one of the worlds best trained and equipped armies of the time. The man's life was very interesting. I like you Aryek hope they tell the truth not the Hollywood white man overcomes all obstacles story. Last edited on Thursday July 20th, 2006 07:46 by ac9311
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 14:51 |
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BBC,
yeah, born in Haiti.......raised here.
In a strange way, I learned something from the american muslim community after 911.....you can't just stay to yourself and not let the world know about your culture, because if someone else is gonna keep telling the world about you , they will paint a distorted picture.....and that is the only thing the world will see......
muslims launched a public relations campaign in this country after 911.....to counter the image that was being portrayed about them in general by the press.......
it's a tv and movie world. very few people actually read history books so you have to reach people through popular media....
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Posted: Thursday July 20th, 2006 20:24 |
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DtotheJ wrote: BBC,
yeah, born in Haiti.......raised here.
In a strange way, I learned something from the american muslim community after 911.....you can't just stay to yourself and not let the world know about your culture, because if someone else is gonna keep telling the world about you , they will paint a distorted picture.....and that is the only thing the world will see......
muslims launched a public relations campaign in this country after 911.....to counter the image that was being portrayed about them in general by the press.......
it's a tv and movie world. very few people actually read history books so you have to reach people through popular media....
Oh that's cool.  If there's a country I don't know much about it's Haiti, but I'm willing to learn much more about it. People may talk bad about Haiti, but I notice many of the people there still keep some of their African traditions and faith.
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Posted: Friday July 21st, 2006 01:48 |
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on the same note...has anyone seen ADWA? about ethiopian defeat of italain colonizers....
Haille Gerimina, the director, takes NO SHORTs..doesn't sugarcoat things..I've seen his film Sankofa, and can't wait to see Adwa in film festival.......
http://imdb.com/title/tt0209898/
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Posted: Friday July 21st, 2006 04:11 |
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DtotheJ wrote: on the same note...has anyone seen ADWA? about ethiopian defeat of italain colonizers....
Haille Gerimina, the director, takes NO SHORTs..doesn't sugarcoat things..I've seen his film Sankofa, and can't wait to see Adwa in film festival.......
http://imdb.com/title/tt0209898/
I never heard of that movie. I got to check that one out.
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Posted: Saturday July 22nd, 2006 06:38 |
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With Danny Glover running the show I'd say the movie is in safe hands and look forward to it 
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Posted: Saturday July 22nd, 2006 14:07 |
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If it comes out over here I will definitely pay to see it.
Is it likely to come out in the UK?
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Posted: Saturday July 22nd, 2006 15:11 |
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@All very interested to see the film. But Tousaint was an arch coconut and had his tongue up the backside of the French and typical Francophile. So I want to see how they handle these fundamental contradictions and tension.
@DJ I see all the French islands you mentioned. Well I want to see if they include islands like St Lucia and St Vincient and elsewhere where the actually revolution started before being transported to Haiti. The Martinique anti Royalist and republicans fled to these islands due to persecution and where they set in motion what Toussaint picked up...
Can't wait to see the film. By the way your language is not unique, I speak to Haitains all the time in generic French African kwyeole. Haitains ,parituclarly healers come to our country all the time and we converse naturally. A few words here and there which are pure French may take a second to work out but it does not interfere with the conversation. The language is essentially generic...
By the way that is one of the reasons I big up Wycleff for speaking his language and promoting it in his music which most Kweyole speaking French Caribbeans will understand...
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Posted: Saturday July 22nd, 2006 16:05 |
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FredB wrote: @All very interested to see the film. But Tousaint was an arch coconut and had his tongue up the backside of the French and typical Francophile. So I want to see how they handle these fundamental contradictions and tension.
The only tension I feel is the tension from this post...perhpas in an earlier thread I said some things that you couldn't respond to, so you transfer that tension over here in this thread...I'll give you benefit of the doubt that this is a legitimate inquiry/post and I'll add my thoughts..
History is history...and there is little time for emotion when discussing it.....but I'd like to ask you how you would categorize TL as a "coconut" in light of his role in the revolution....his earlier life and those experiences is what gave him the access and understanding of whites to be able to defeat them on the battlefield...he was a born leader and this becam eevident when the time came for leaders to step up.....
please expound on why TL is viewed in such a negative way by you(no copy and pasting please, your words)
@DJ I see all the French islands you mentioned. Well I want to see if they include islands like St Lucia and St Vincient and elsewhere where the actually revolution started before being transported to Haiti. The Martinique anti Royalist and republicans fled to these islands due to persecution and where they set in motion what Toussaint picked up...
I think that it was the conditions that the Africans lived under...and the french codes implemented which limited the opportunities of the mulattoes.....which led to the revolution and it's ultimate success.....I've read many accounts of Africans from different places coming to the island and adding more sparks to a flame that had already been lit......I've read of one African from Jamaica, in particular, who is noted as adding to the flame.....the production of sugar cane required so much man power and the conditions were so harsh that the turnover/deaths of Africans were extremely high ........and new enslaved people were being brought in to replace them.....having lage groups of people who had not yet succumbed mentally to slavery was large factor in revolution...there had always been revolts in french slave colonies including Haiti...it's inaccurate to write that "it" started anywhere else....it had always been in motion.....
Can't wait to see the film. By the way your language is not unique, I speak to Haitains all the time in generic French African kwyeole. Haitains ,parituclarly healers come to our country all the time and we converse naturally. A few words here and there which are pure French may take a second to work out but it does not interfere with the conversation. The language is essentially generic...
and i've met Africans from former french colonies who speak similiar language..not quite the same....my point in talking about how we are only ones who speak the language kreyol.....if you read it , was that we speak a language that 99.9% of the world doesn't speak.....therefore we are isolated from the majority of the learning/communication that the rest of the world engages in......books, television, newspapers...the language has only fairly recently been transcribed.....it wasn't me "bragging"..but pointing out a limitation
If you were to actually read my posts..and not try to go through them with fine toothed comb trying to "get back" at me for some earlier dispute....you'd be better off...
By the way that is one of the reasons I big up Wycleff for speaking his language and promoting it in his music which most Kweyole speaking French Caribbeans will understand...
The development of the patois french languages show that there would have to be key differences....
haitian kreyol....has elements of french, dutch, spanish and several African languages.....there are different words used for simiiar things by region in haiti...
guadaloupe, martinique may have similiar components
the french patois in Africa was developed a century later during colonization....and wouldn't have the trace elements of dutch or spanish.... and would have incorporated different African languages.dialects....
Wyclef is great icon.....hopefully many people can listen and understand what he raps about....
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Posted: Sunday July 23rd, 2006 00:40 |
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Will definately see this one. Although I fully expect to be disappointed. Cant see them exposing Toussaint for the unsurspecting and almost childlike trust he had in the French in upholding their promises and treating the African on an equal par. let alone exploring the racial treachery and intricacies between Africans and the Mullato population. Common sense should of dictated that given the history of relations bewteen whites and Africans on the island this would be impossible.
From the evidence he didnt even instigate the major rebellion that kick started the war but joined the rebellion only after he knew it was relatively safe to do so and the favour was with his fellow Africans.
But his superior literacy and no doubt leadership skills and popularity enabled him to play the role he was destined to play. The way he utilised the greed of the Europeans and played them off against each other/ to get arms and provisons..was a role only perhaps he could of played/ and he was excellent.
But he loved whitey and his ways too much to the detriment of himself and ultimately the war. Considering his position he should of been much too wise to allow himself to be tricked into bondage in France, he got played too easy. Ultimately he never voiced the feeling that Haiti should be self ruled/ not ruled as some protectorate and mimic of France. One can only conclude Tousssaint would of been quite happy to accept neo-colonial rule as a normal state of affairs.
But still respect the man and his acheivements..right place right time.
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Posted: Wednesday July 26th, 2006 13:39 |
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@DJ said "The only tension I feel is the tension from this post...perhpas in an earlier thread I said some things that you couldn't respond to, so you transfer that tension over here in this thread...I'll give you benefit of the doubt that this is a legitimate inquiry/post and I'll add my thoughts
-------------------------------------------------------------------With respects dear brother. You sense a challenge to points being made..and you sense correct. Concerninig your other comments, I don't have a clue what you are talking about and you are probably projecting yourself which has nothing to do with me. Brother I argue for a living professionally and sorry not involved in the childish antics you describe and as I said probably says more about you than the points I want to raise...
First, point and less important was my challeng to your comment that Kwyeole is unique to Haiti. As that is my mother tongue I challenge that on the baisis of simple fact. It is a generic language of Africans from the French Caribbean. I went to a recent lecture by Raphael Confiant the Martinique academic and author at the French Institute in London. As you can imagine there were quite a few people there from the French Caribbean or those living in France etc.... Our common language was not French as many of us, myself included do not speak French, but we all spoke Kweyole and that is how we communicated with each other.
The argument that any language is unique is a very very dubious one. American's have terms and useage of words which is different to English, but there is no such thing as an American language outside the indigenous native Americans...Of course there will be things in Haitain Kweyole which may differ because of the various different rulers who use different terms but that is only marginal to the language not fundamental. My cousins grew up in Dutch Guyana and have some differences in their Kweyole but we still understand each other with no problem and that is the key point I am making....
Mansa answered or filled in the points I was going to make about Toussaint, as great as he was he was a classic Francophile..We from the French Caribbean know how these people think, that the sun never set on France and all things great are intrinsic to France and how great they are in world civilisation. Go to Martinique and wait five minutes and you will experience it...
That was Toussaint down the line as Mansa said...Toussaint did not want liberation and seperation from France as his primary objective. He was forced into that position because Napolean was not playing and viewed us in absolute contempt and the mere thought of standing up to him, the right hand of god and assumed greatest military leader to have breathed air...
Remember Napolean carried out a genocide programme murdering every male over the age of 12 and then got more Africans from the continent to replace those who he had wiped out, from supposedly less warrior like tribes who fought his arse every inch of the way...He murdered 100,000 in one go. So Toussaint was forced into a corner not because he wanted to take the French on head on and wipe them of the earth...which was the only sensible and reasonable approach which Dessailines (god bless him) did to the half caste and wiped out the lot of them minus a few trusted loyalists...He knew the time and what was required. A war to the finish requires an ultimate solution...Toussaint did not have the mind or heart for that kind of approach...Dessaillnes did...
So let us keep Toussaint in perspective. He wanted coexistence with France and all things French if they ended slavery and allowed him to show his anti republican credetionals. Remember anti -Republicanism was the popualar white radical belief at the time and people like mixed race Victor Hugo in St Lucia and others in Martinique and other islands were kicking up stink against the monarchy and its remnents long time before Toussaint, who took on that feeling and momentum. They were not against white dominance but monarchy and all that entailed in their eyes...
Tousaint trusted the French, which is why he lost his life in that trap because he believed they were superior men of morality and a Frenchman's word meant something....Yeah the complete opposite and why they were able to trap him and then kill him. There is far more to the Haitian revolution than Toussaint as brilliant as he was and instrumental as he was..Boukman and Dessaillnes and his generals took a completely different view and for them the white man, his civilisation and all it represented were the enemey. Like Shaka they knew we would never coexist and the white man would never accept defeat or treaties and would come back tommorow once stronger..So we had to finish them and make them understand the cost of and price of African independence and liberty..
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Posted: Saturday July 29th, 2006 19:38 |
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yfredb, what is your point?
I already said what I had to say about kreyol......you didn't counter any of it...next you'll be telling me that Black people in rural Alabama can understand jamaican patois because they are both speaking english based creole languages....
come on man.....anyway AGAIN..my point was that great as it is to have our own dialect, it is limiting in terms of understanding, learning from ,and communicating with the world.....you can trip over yourself with these theories if you want to.....just go to alabama speaking patois or even the gullah islands and see if you can effectively communicate....
as far as TP, you've already made up your mind about the decisions he made during his lifetime.....I disagree with your assessment of him.....like I said before..the story was very complex..and there are scholars who retell the story differently....think you should open your mind to other schools of thought because, despite my last post....you are just repeating the same things over and over...
it's almost as though you didn't read what I wrote abut the french codes and how that restricted the right so fthe mulattoes and what impact that had on the revolution....
things are much more complex than you'd care to beleive....
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