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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 20:20 |
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MwemaJ wrote: Birth of a Nation (DW Griffith)
I haven't seen this film yet. I know it is still listed in many greatest films ever lists because of many new cinematic innovations and refinements by the film makers so it looks like this is one that will always be remembered even though most of us would like to see it dead and buried:
Film scholars agree, however, that it is the single most important and key film of all time in American movie history - it contains many new cinematic innovations and refinements, technical effects and artistic advancements, including a color sequence at the end. It had a formative influence on future films and has had a recognized impact on film history and the development of film as art. In addition, at almost three hours in length, it was the longest film to date. However, it still provokes conflicting views about its message.
The subject matter of the film caused immediate criticism by the newly-created National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) for its racist and "vicious" portrayal of blacks, its proclamation of miscegenation, its pro-Klan stance, and its endorsement of slavery. As a result, two scenes were cut (a love scene between Reconstructionist Senator and his mulatto mistress, and a fight scene). But the film continued to be renounced as "the meanest vilification of the Negro race." Riots broke out in major cities (Boston, Philadelphia, among others), and it was denied release in many other places (Chicago, Ohio, Denver, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Minneapolis, eight states in total). Subsequent lawsuits and picketing tailed the film for years when it was re-released (in 1924, 1931, and 1938).
The resulting controversy only helped to fuel the film's box-office appeal, and it became a major hit. Even President Woodrow Wilson during a private screening at the White House is reported to have enthusiastically exclaimed: "It's like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all terribly true." To his credit, Griffith later (by 1921) released a shortened, re-edited version of the film without references to the KKK.
In its explicitly caricaturist presentation of the KKK as heroes and Southern blacks as villains and violent rapists and threats to the social order, it appealed to white Americans who subscribed to the mythic, romantic view (similar to Sir Walter Scott historical romances) of the Old Plantation South. Many viewers were thrilled by the love affair between Northern and Southern characters and the climactic rescue scene. The film also thematically explored two great American issues: inter-racial sex and marriage, and the empowerment of blacks. Ironically, although the film was advertised as authentic and accurate, the film's major black roles in the film -- including the Senator's mulatto mistress, the mulatto politican brought to power in the South, and faithful freed slaves -- were stereotypically played and filled by white actors - in blackface. [The real blacks in the film only played in minor roles.]
Its climactic finale, the suppression of the black threat to white society by the glorious Ku Klux Klan, helped to assuage some of America's sexual fears about the rise of defiant, strong (and sexual) black men and the repeal of laws forbidding intermarriage. A group of independent black filmmakers released director Emmett J. Scott's The Birth of a Race in 1919, filmed as a response to Griffith's masterwork, with a more positive image of African-Americans, but it was largely ignored. Prolific black filmmaker Oscar Micheaux's first film, the feature-length The Homesteader (1919), and Within Our Gates (1919) more effectively countered the message of Griffith's film."
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Posted: Saturday January 21st, 2006 21:46 |
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| Monstars Ball. Although I'm not sure what I hate more. The film, or the fact that Halle won an oscar for her role in it. Last edited on Saturday January 21st, 2006 21:47 by Soulstarr
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Posted: Sunday January 22nd, 2006 16:56 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Monstars Ball. Although I'm not sure what I hate more. The film, or the fact that Halle won an oscar for her role in it.
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I agree...why did Halle have to get screwed by a filthy White man to win an oscar?
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Posted: Sunday January 22nd, 2006 17:02 |
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NowrThoth B3 wrote: Soulstarr wrote: Monstars Ball. Although I'm not sure what I hate more. The film, or the fact that Halle won an oscar for her role in it.
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I agree...why did Halle have to get screwed by a filthy White man to win an oscar?
Quite a few white men have dreamed of bonking Halley and probably still do, Go figure...
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Posted: Sunday January 22nd, 2006 22:42 |
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I definetly agree with 'King Kong' and 'The King and I'. I couldn't even get through 'The King and I' because the racism was so obvious. What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent. And don't let me even get started on 'Tarzan'. I find it quite funny that so many of these so called classic films are racist. It just goes to show you where these people's true feelings lie.
That being said, black people are also not exempt from these accusations. 'Undercover Brother', 'Soul Plane' are blatanly racist films.
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Posted: Sunday January 22nd, 2006 23:12 |
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Aryek wrote: I definetly agree with 'King Kong' and 'The King and I'. I couldn't even get through 'The King and I' because the racism was so obvious. What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent. And don't let me even get started on 'Tarzan'. I find it quite funny that so many of these so called classic films are racist. It just goes to show you where these people's true feelings lie.
That being said, black people are also not exempt from these accusations. 'Undercover Brother', 'Soul Plane' are blatanly racist films.
Funny you should mention The Lion King cos I had a media studies teacher who pointed out the racist undertones in almost every disney film. For example, Scar in the lion king, When have you ever seen a lion with a mane that dark? And Ursula In the little mermaid, i think that pretty much speaks for itself. Jafar in aladin, The witch in Sleeping beauty...need I go on?
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 03:01 |
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Soulstarr wrote: Aryek wrote: I definetly agree with 'King Kong' and 'The King and I'. I couldn't even get through 'The King and I' because the racism was so obvious. What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent. And don't let me even get started on 'Tarzan'. I find it quite funny that so many of these so called classic films are racist. It just goes to show you where these people's true feelings lie.
That being said, black people are also not exempt from these accusations. 'Undercover Brother', 'Soul Plane' are blatanly racist films.
Funny you should mention The Lion King cos I had a media studies teacher who pointed out the racist undertones in almost every disney film. For example, Scar in the lion king, When have you ever seen a lion with a mane that dark? And Ursula In the little mermaid, i think that pretty much speaks for itself. Jafar in aladin, The witch in Sleeping beauty...need I go on?
I defintely agree with you on Scar and the others. Disney is bloody racist. I don't bother with them anymore. I'll watch 'Beauty and the Beast' because I really love that movie but other than that, Disney can kiss my backside.
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 06:05 |
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Aryek wrote: What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
So true...I've never even thought about that.
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 11:06 |
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| I'm not sure if this ones been mentioned yet but the first of the new Star Wars Trilogy had on of the most embarrassing characters I have ever seen. Now you mean to tell me that Samuel L Jackson couldn't have told the director to change the accent of Ja Ja Binks? Why is it the retarded frog-like thing has a jacked up West Indian accent?
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 11:29 |
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Good post Thoth,
But I must ask everyone here whether some movies made by Black directors have also been racist? For example, do you consider all those films that portray Blacks as hard core thugs (Menace to Society) or as promiscuous (Booty Call) to be racist? I do.
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 11:46 |
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Aryek wrote: What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
So true...I've never even thought about that.
Think farther, The elder Lion had an African -American accent, James Earle Jones, and Scar had a British accent. Where's the racism?
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Posted: Monday January 23rd, 2006 13:13 |
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AmeriJamCan wrote: But I must ask everyone here whether some movies made by Black directors have also been racist? For example, do you consider all those films that portray Blacks as hard core thugs (Menace to Society) or as promiscuous (Booty Call) to be racist? I do.
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It depends on if it is story based off of real life events or reality (like Menace to Society), or if it is an excessivel glamorization of indignant life (i.e. Get Rich or Die Tryin').
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| Coal Black and the Seven Black Dwarves Last edited on Wednesday May 31st, 2006 20:38 by Kariya
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Posted: Wednesday May 31st, 2006 20:46 |
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RoseWood is factually-based and i am not sure if it could be listed here.
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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 01:05 |
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We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussing his autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
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If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World' . It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one. Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based on a John Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas as a love struck teenage girl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas was most likely a child of 10 or 11 when she first came in contact with John Smith and other white settlers.
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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 16:36 |
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liberiangirl wrote: name wrote:
We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussing his autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
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If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World' . It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one. Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based on a John Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas as a love struck teenage girl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas was most likely a child of 10 or 11 when she first came in contact with John Smith and other white settlers.
Your facts are only partially true. Not all the founders were slave holders but the most prominent were, such as Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jefferson, Jenifer, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves as did Franklin who later freed his slaves and became an abolitionist.
Founding Fathers who were members of societies for ending slavery included Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift.
The Adams, Samuel, and John as well as many others never owned slaves. As a whole if you consider those 95 men who signed the Declaration of Independence and Constitution as the "Founding Fathers" , most did not.
Captain John Smith was middle aged when he made contact with Pocahantas while she was only pre adolescent. They had no romantic involvement. She later married Englishmen John Rolfe and died in England.
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Posted: Thursday June 1st, 2006 19:27 |
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101stAirborne wrote: liberiangirl wrote: name wrote:
We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussing his autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
Baby girl wrote:
If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World' . It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one. Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based on a John Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas as a love struck teenage girl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas was most likely a child of 10 or 11 when she first came in contact with John Smith and other white settlers.
Your facts are only partially true. Not all the founders were slave holders but the most prominent were, such as Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jefferson, Jenifer, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves as did Franklin who later freed his slaves and became an abolitionist.
Founding Fathers who were members of societies for ending slavery included Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift.
The Adams, Samuel, and John as well as many others never owned slaves. As a whole if you consider those 95 men who signed the Declaration of Independence and Constitution as the "Founding Fathers" , most did not.
Captain John Smith was middle aged when he made contact with Pocahantas while she was only pre adolescent. They had no romantic involvement. She later married Englishmen John Rolfe and died in England.
How are my facts only partially true???? Everything you have stated I basically affirmed in my previous post. I said that Benjamin Franklin owned slaves but freed them which you confirmed. I also stated that John smith met Pocahantas when she was a child, which you also confirmed. So what is your point? I never made any claims that all the founding fathers owned slaves only that Franklin did own slaves at one point in his lifetime. I am also pretty certain that my history professor stated that he may have had sexual relations with a female slave. So what did I state that was false?
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How are my facts only partially true???? Everything you have stated I basically affirmed in my previous post. I said that Benjamin Franklin owned slaves but freed them which you confirmed. I also stated that John smith met Pocahantas when she was a child, which you also confirmed. So what is your point? I never made any claims that all the founding fathers owned slaves only that Franklin did own slaves at one point in his lifetime. I am also pretty certain that my history professor stated that he may have had sexual relations with a female slave. So what did I state that was false?
liberiangirl wrote: name wrote:
We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
This is false. Or was your name incorrectly attributed here to this statement?
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RoseWood is factually-based and i am not sure if it could be listed here.
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Rosewood is not a racist movie. It details actual horrific events that happened to Americanized Africans. I even know some people who had family members killed from the Rosewood incident...and let's not forget about Tulsa.
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Posted: Tuesday June 6th, 2006 16:11 |
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101stAirborne wrote: Prince Hakeem wrote: Aryek wrote: What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
So true...I've never even thought about that.
Think farther, The elder Lion had an African -American accent, James Earle Jones, and Scar had a British accent. Where's the racism?
I know you wrote this in January but I'd still like to respond all the same. What exactly does Scar having a British accent have to do with Rafiki's African accent? I actually liked his character, but tell me if a film is supposed to be based in Africa then why not give everyone an African accent, instead of the only monkey in the film? Hmmm, let me think, which group of people are white people always trying to associate with monkeys?
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Aryek wrote: 101stAirborne wrote: Prince Hakeem wrote: Aryek wrote: What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the only monkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
So true...I've never even thought about that.
Think farther, The elder Lion had an African -American accent, James Earle Jones, and Scar had a British accent. Where's the racism?
I know you wrote this in January but I'd still like to respond all the same. What exactly does Scar having a British accent have to do with Rafiki's African accent? I actually liked his character, but tell me if a film is supposed to be based in Africa then why not give everyone an African accent, instead of the only monkey in the film? Hmmm, let me think, which group of people are white people always trying to associate with monkeys?
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Hmmmm...damn good point. I never thought about that...
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