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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 16:22 |
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I think a list is needed of racist and/or repulsive films for people of African descent. It can even be a film that just had a single scene or element that was blatantly racist. I'll start...
1) King Kong: for its portrayal of Black natives, and its psychotic parallelism between Blacks and Whites with a huge black gorilla falling for the White woman, being civilized, and the rest of the racy garbage.
2) Troy: this film completely omits that Priam, King of Troy, was the uncle of Memnon, King of Ethiopia, at the time. This begs the question whether King Priam and Helen were actually White. Furthermore, Memnon sent at least 10,000 African soldiers to help defend Troy. Yet, when I looked at the trailer for the film, I didn't see a single face that could possibly be mistaken as Black.
3) Alexander: Unquestionably the most notable part of Alexander the Great's life was his so-called conquest of Egypt. Yet, again looking at the movie trailer, you would think his battles with the African natives would have been a significant part of the movie. It seems that again, our role in history has been omitted.
4) Dukes of Hazzard: I hated the TV show, and I was even further repulsed by a movie in 2005 glorifying some "good ol' boys" with a Confederate Flag on the top of their car.
All of these movies have my stamp of disapproval...
Your turn...
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 16:30 |
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I would have to add Planet of the apes..I loved the TV series and the original film..however the recent remake was taking the absolute piss.....basically a white man's nightmare of what a black dominated planet would look like..with all the typical European, black characterisations thrown in.... Thinly veiled attacked on African Americans....
Also after the exploits of Charlton Heston....now i can't even watch any film with him in it, ulgy raase.....
Sorry add to the any dutty flim with either John (KKK) Wayne, Jimmy(right wing poster boy), Stewart and now Arnie ( up his own arse) Schwaztnegger....
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 16:31 |
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Sorry the other prigg that put me off certain films was Lee (barefoot and pregnant) majors......
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 16:46 |
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Any film made by Quentin Tarantino. If you got something to say just be a man and state it publicly....no need to hide behind movies.
It's obvious this man is subtly stating his personal views about Africans by his heavy usage of the N word and the negative comments on African people in his scripts. The sad thing is 99% of his audience don't believe he is a racist because he uses his favourite Step N Fetchit man Samuel Jackson and supposedly likes 'black' music and blaxploitation films. I don't really have to explain this as the comments made in films like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs pretty much sums it up. The "dead n****er storage" comment wasn't necessary in the LEAST, neither was Harvey Keitel's scene in RD when he said something along the lines of "why do n****rs treat their women like sh*t".
Admittedly, I did like Kill Bill at first simply because I'm a fan of anime and martial arts, however, looking into it more deeply, particularly the first scene that shows an African child witnessing the murder of her mother by a white woman, it made me switch off.
It's funny how the same people who accuse Spike Lee of being racist don't have jack to say about Quentin.
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 17:32 |
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Some of these are obvious but still y'now ...
Gone with the Wind
Lethal Weapon 1-4
To kill a Mockingbird
The Matrix
The Man Who Would be King
Indiana Jones Trilogy
Stargate
Amistad
Mutiny on the Bounty (all versions)
Guess who's coming to Dinner (haven't seen the newer one, but I gonna assume that too)
Imitation of Life
The Jerk
Black like me
Bulworth
Dances with Wolves
48 Hours
The Defiant ones
The Green Mile
Hey I like some of these but they are what they are.
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 17:38 |
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Sorry Name I can't agree with sopme of your choices....
Imitation of life..was a ground breaking film of its day...likewise to Kill a Mocking bird..a brutal reflection of American culture.. Guess who is coming to Dinner (no way)..yes it was a Hollywood version of Blackness... but it was again a tough Film of its day... The newer version (which I refuse to see) is a travesty and ought to be on the list..
Amistad...hmmmm no sure bout that one either...
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 18:19 |
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name wrote: Some of these are obvious but still y'now ...
Gone with the Wind
Lethal Weapon 1-4
To kill a Mockingbird
The Matrix
The Man Who Would be King
Indiana Jones Trilogy
Stargate
Amistad
Mutiny on the Bounty (all versions)
Guess who's coming to Dinner (haven't seen the newer one, but I gonna assume that too)
Imitation of Life
The Jerk
Black like me
Bulworth
Dances with Wolves
48 Hours
The Defiant ones
The Green Mile
Hey I like some of these but they are what they are.
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Ok, could you fill me in on why you picked these? I cannot understand about half of your list.
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 18:20 |
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@ Kunjufu
What's wrong with Arnie?
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 18:21 |
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@ Prince Hakeem
The first QT movie I ever saw was Kill Bill. I didn't realize he had racist undertones in his films.
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 18:23 |
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Thoth B3 wrote: @ Kunjufu
What's wrong with Arnie?
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What!! do you mean apart from the fact he's a republican, that he supports GW bush or the fact that he callously sanctioned the death of another human being....where do i begin with that muppet!!!
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Posted: Wednesday January 4th, 2006 18:26 |
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Kunjufu wrote: What!! do you mean apart from the fact he's a republican, that he supports GW bush or the fact that he callously sanctioned the death of another human being....where do i begin with that muppet!!!
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Aaaahhh...I see. I would say though that your list of complaints comes with the territory of being Republican. Anyhow, point well taken...
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Posted: Monday January 9th, 2006 23:25 |
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most American films pre-1970 were straight blatantly racist....
some say that the majority of blaxploitation era films are indirectly racist .....
the list would be too long
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 07:52 |
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Kunjufu wrote: Thoth B3 wrote: @ Kunjufu
What!! do you mean apart from the fact he's a republican, that he supports GW bush or the fact that he callously sanctioned the death of another human being....where do i begin with that muppet!!!
sorry kunjufu, but disagree on two fronts
1stly, unless the film has racial epithats and stereotypes or other forms of indirect racism its not racist film
Commando. Not racist
Terminators. Not racist
Kindergaton Cop. Not racist
Junior/Twins: Not racist
True Lies/LAH/ Total Recall/Running Man/ Conan. Not racist
2ndly....
Why should he give Tookie clemency when the evidence doesnt permit it. What was callous about it. The facts that didnt support a new trial. The uber-liberal 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals didnt find anything to support clemency. It was a question of believing his redemption or not, and Arnie didnt along with a hell of alot of black people. And even if he did...
Do you realise it would have been the first time ever that clemency was granted on the basis of supposed redemption. Would you wanna be the person who opened that Pandaro's box?
Imagine the racist killers, paedophiles who could right a few books and say ''Hey look at me I'm redempted( grammer?)''
People be acting like Tookie is the only person that Arnold hasnt blighed. but thats not the real issue at heart. As I said in Ligali, if the family he killed were African immigrants instead of Oriental, this convo would have been done long time ago
As Gmahonony said, not every black man in prison is a freedom fighter/victim of frame up/innocent.
'Thank God for Penetentiaries' said the late Richard Pryor. I agree
And that thing about being a republican. Its a two party system in the USA and your one or the other. Would you call him racist if he was a Democrat, suppported Hilary Clinton, but still didnt bligh Tookie, a convicted killer.
Both parties are as bad as each other. Infact, just the other day Safety was saying that most of the people you saw beating the sh*t out of African-Americans in the 60's were Democrats. Damned if you do, damned if you dont
You seem to be of the opinion that any person who conservative/republican is a racist, and every black person who supports them is a cocunut. This isnt just observation from the above post, I have noticed it in other posts as well
The thing is, I dont vote Conservative but I respect the rights of others( black, white,asian) to do so without head shaking. Correct me if i'm wrong but I'm not sure you do
And before you start, I kmow all about the negative conservative policies of the past. I studied them and besides my dad is the staunchest anti-consersative I know. He would kill himself before he voted for them
He could very well be racist and it wouldnt surprise me in the least if he was(alledgely he has nazi connections but I'm not sure) but those reasons you gave dont hold up in my view
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Racist films
Gone with The Wind
Soul Plane
High School High
Dont be a Menace
Goodfellas
Mean Girls( had an unnecessary use of the N-word between two fillipinos. Hilarious film though)
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 08:27 |
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Yep gotta co-sign cash
IMO the post racist fims going are the soul plane ignorant types...
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 11:45 |
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Black Halk Down.... The story portrays a different side of the story as into what originally happened... its made to look like the piece keeper American army where been savaged by ethiopians...
I guess you all know the true story....
Tarzan.. (King of the jungle) need I say more
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 11:56 |
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| Cashmoney: come on man...True lies NOT racist....WHAT FILM was you watching here...talk about PLAYING TO STEREOTYPES....did you scope the Characteur of the Arab terrorist? Hellllllooooooo Last edited on Tuesday January 10th, 2006 12:06 by Kunjufu
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 11:59 |
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Marked for Death (steven segal)
for the time it came out I thought It was pretty racist...
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 13:08 |
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Amistad presents a distorted version of history in the interests of drama and ideology. The story is meant to be about the quest of enslaved Africans quest for freedom, but it's really a sincere fiction about how white believe they are.
First thing you should understand, is that white people love movies in which black folk do well, especially if they are helped along by crusading white men. These fantasies help to reassure the white conscience of it's essential goodness and righteousness. From what i remember of this movie white people in it act through the institutions of white society, and the reassurance is that despite the evil that individual whites may do to people of color (and the african type person is the only one that I'm concerned about), that white institutions are essentially good and just, fair and balanced and all the rest.
The Amistad case of 1839-1841 in which enslaved Africans took over the ship Amistad from their Spanish masterw, were captured by an American naval vessel, imprisoned, placed on trial in New Haven, Conneticut, and finally freef by the U.S Supreme Court.
The movies pretty good in a lot of respects as it shows graphic images of the middle passage that were never presented in that way before, and it also showed the only time before the American Civil War in which the American Court sided with rebellious blacks, and it also (should) make whites feel good, because it shows a time when white institutions worked in a morrally correct fashion and gave Africans their freedom, at a time when millions suffered enslavement in America.
Inspite of it's good intentions, it ends up reaffirming the fundamental goodness of white American civilisation. We're presented with a well embeded cultural motif of the divided white self, in which we have greedy white men: Spanish/Portgese slavers, slick white southerners and craven politicians. On the other side we have our 'heroes': Northern abolitionists, British sea captins and crusading Lawyers.
This movie also distorts alot of the facts in the interests of aligning itself to American pop cultural traditions. Case in point, Roger Baldwin (played by Matthew McConaughey). He was 46 yrs old in 1839, and highly regarded Lawyer chosen by the abolitionists for his prestiege and his sympathy to the cause. Not the ambulance chaser he's portrayed as. The clever inexperienced Lawyer who surprises everyone by winning a seemingly impossible case is a icon of American culture, so of corse he's shown in that context. He's also the beneficiary of "the huck finn effect", an unlikely white hero is redeemed and enobled by his friendship with a black man.
From what little I know the abolitionists were not the comical figures of the movie, but dedicated crudsaders (I have my own issues with that). Lewis Tappan was the leader of the American and Foreign Anti-Slavery society he was the mastermind (as far as I know) behind the release of the Africans. Accoarding to the movie, Tappan's moral flaw, and the abolitionsts religious fanaticism turn them into foils for the movies true heroes, Lawyers Baldwin and Adams (Anthony Hopkins).
There also weren't any African-Americans involved in the legal defense of the captives. In a feel good move the movie exaggerates the role of African Americans in helping free the Amistad captives by inventing the fictoinal black abolitionist Theodore Joadson (Morgan Freeman), which was probably put in there reflect contemporary sensibilities.
in reality the American law before the civil war did not protect blacks or enforce equality or freedom, if anything it protected the property rights of slave owners by asserting that American-born slaves had no rights under the constitution. From what I've been told the movie doesn't say anything about the fact that the narrow base on which the Africans were freed. A technicality because the ownership papers of Ruiz and Montez were fradulent.
The movie also fabricates and distorts relationships in the 1840's by showing Cinque and John Quincy Adams as buddies, and it also has a lot of wish fullfillment in the relationships between Joadson (Freeman) and whites.
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Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklyn, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, John Adams, we have long resisted asking you for guidance...perhaps we feared that an appeal to you might be taken for weakness. But we have come to understand, finally, that this is not so. We understand now...that who we are is who we were.
We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
The character of Cinque starts of as a semi-naked, murdering savage, but ends up clothed and civilised. His civilising involves his education in legal procedure. When he tears his clothes of while sihoutted by the bonfire he rejects western values and civilisation, temporarily reverting to 'savagery'. But following filmic conventions we know that Cinques faith has to be restored and his crisis of faith in western institutions has to be overcome. His intellectual capacity is also measured in his ability to (at the end) think in western terms and contribute to the legal arguements of Adams. Cinque begins to advise Adams, and he also appears in the Supreme Courts, dressed like a well-bred American man of the day we can see his transformation from barbarian to "civilised" American. None of this is documented to of happen by the way. He never appeared in court.
One thing I never knew, is that in 1974 a black ex-convict renamed himself Cinque and formed the Symbionese Liberation Army, which robbed banks and and kidnapped heiress Patty Hearst. They were a small band of fanatics (or so I'm told), who imagined themselves to be the spearhead of a revoliton against capitalism and white society.
The morally unjust act of slaveholding is displaced onto charactured villians: the spanish, Portugese and American southerners, and the centrality of slaveholding and white supremacy as fundamental elements of the early American economy and civilisation is denied and the unblemished virtue of white institutions is displayed. Basically the goodness and reliability of American Law, something for white audiances to latch and project themselves onto.
Wasn't completely bad though.
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 13:18 |
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Blackthought wrote: Black Halk Down.... The story portrays a different side of the story as into what originally happened... its made to look like the piece keeper American army where been savaged by ethiopians...
I guess you all know the true story....
Tarzan.. (King of the jungle) need I say more
Blackthought: a quick correction..it was actually Somalia...not Ethiopia
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 13:35 |
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| If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World' . It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
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Posted: Tuesday January 10th, 2006 14:00 |
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babygirl44 wrote: If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World' . It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
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I just watched the trailer, and I am speechless...well, almost.
White people make me sick when they twist malicious parts of their history to make them out as righteous. Add that to my list of movies that will not get my money...
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Posted: Wednesday January 11th, 2006 08:24 |
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2shay @ kunjufu
But as an avid film fan, would you not agree that some stereotypes are part and parcel of film
If I want a terrorist, in this day and age, arabas are gonna be top of the queue, and they will be cartoooonish. It cant be helped
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Posted: Wednesday January 11th, 2006 11:34 |
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Kunjufu wrote: John (KKK) Wayne, Jimmy(right wing poster boy), Stewart
my mum loves john wayne, so better let her know!!! But Jimmy Stewert!!? say it ain't so!!! I know he fought in WW!! and lost a son in vietnam and he is prett ypro war. Not sure about his other political views though.
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