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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 01:30 |
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spoiler alert!
Danger Will Robinson!
This is an urgent appeal to all blackchat members on behalf of find Cronenberg aid, just £2 will allow us to pay the ransom for the return of the real David Cronenberg and to be rid of this imposter currently using his name. Thankyou
This starts well, the casual violence of the criminals on the run, as demonstrated by the killing of the chambermaid in the motel and a little girl. He makes the family at the centre of the movie as sickenly apple pie and the Waltons like as possible. The best example being the dad (Viggo Mortensen), mum (Maria Bello) and older brother all comforting the yougest child ( who happens incidentally to be the worst child actor I've seen in a long time) when she has a nightmare. The good family man and close nit small town are all a good setup, one would think for the destruction and violence that is to follow. From when Tom Stall/Joey Cusack kills the criminals on the run, I think the film begins to fall. A temporary reprive is offered by Carl Fogarty (Ed Harris, who is the best thing in the movie), but he is killed too early on. I think the ordinary guy trained killer in the past is done better by the Bourne identity (despite of Matt Damon). It does have some good moments in the second half of the film, but they are few and far between. The duality of the sex sence on the stairs after the wife discovers he is the killer Joey Cusack and covers for him when the local police start to ask difficult questions is one such scene, Is she f**king her husband Tom Stall, or almost being raped by the killer Joey Cusack?, it's a brilliant echo of an earlier role playing sex scene in which the wife dresses as a cheerleader. In that instance Tom Stall makes love and goes down on his wife in the later scene as Joey Cusack he pins her to the wall and f**ks her. Perhaps the film is attempting to show it is impossible to insulate oneself from violence no matter what we try and in some cases it is necessary as when the son confronts the school bully and leaves him in hospital or in defence of your family and friends, or even better more passionate sex. I did detect an odd sense of outsiders threatening "our way of life", and the "logic" of having a loaded shotgun at home which has obvious resonance. This is not vintage Cronenberg.
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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 10:18 |
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Newstyle...i take it you didn't like it?
Well i enjoyed it to an extent.....i did not think the sex scenes were necessary, but hey, i guess you can't have it all.
I thought Viggo Mortensen was brilliant as always, but the rest of the cast were a bit too dull for my liking....particularly the daughter and Maria Belo.
I think its rather people's expectations of the film being this BIG Hollywood blockbuster due to the tittle thats making it seem such a turkey....but it WASN'T supposed to be big....its one of those sleepy little crime dramas that should not have such an expectations put on it. Perhaps its Cronenberg's name as director that got people too excited for no reason.
Overall i enjoyed.....but my mates who went to watch it hated it and wished they had watched Four Brothers (i can't remember the tittle) As for me i'd rather be locked in hell with this film rather than that John Singleton film.
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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 18:36 |
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i am just about to watch this film....after reading the first few sentences of what i thought was a general review, i stopped suddenly when i realised you were actually giving away parts of the film. what wrong with you? never heard of ' spoiler alert'? you seen thefilm ? good. most other people havent.
please put some kind of warning at the beginning of your post please, to stop the ruination of some other poor b*stards entertainment like ya almost did me....
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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 22:09 |
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blakkrussian wrote: i am just about to watch this film....after reading the first few sentences of what i thought was a general review, i stopped suddenly when i realised you were actually giving away parts of the film. what wrong with you? never heard of ' spoiler alert'? you seen thefilm ? good. most other people havent.
please put some kind of warning at the beginning of your post please, to stop the ruination of some other poor b*stards entertainment like ya almost did me....
Ooops, My bad!
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Posted: Monday October 3rd, 2005 22:49 |
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Mezmerized wrote: Newstyle...i take it you didn't like it?
Well i enjoyed it to an extent.....i did not think the sex scenes were necessary, but hey, i guess you can't have it all.
I thought Viggo Mortensen was brilliant as always, but the rest of the cast were a bit too dull for my liking....particularly the daughter and Maria Belo.
I think its rather people's expectations of the film being this BIG Hollywood blockbuster due to the tittle thats making it seem such a turkey....but it WASN'T supposed to be big....its one of those sleepy little crime dramas that should not have such an expectations put on it. Perhaps its Cronenberg's name as director that got people too excited for no reason.
Overall i enjoyed.....but my mates who went to watch it hated it and wished they had watched Four Brothers(i can't remember the tittle) As for me i'd rather be locked in hell with this film rather than that John Singleton film.
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"i did not think the sex scenes were necessary"
I disagree, I think he needed to show how her tame husband Tom was infact a stranger who is a possible threat, you know stranger danger, also how exciting it could be sexually in a zipless f**k sort of way.
I'm a Cronenberg fun, and perhaps unfairly I expect his films to be a little more off beat, this felt like any hollywood hack could have done it. The finale in the mansion, I couldn't help but think of Ghost dog and how well, funny and original the assasination of mobsters in a mansion was dealt with, in this picture it just seemed bland. It wasn't all bad like I said I enjoyed the set up at the start and anyway a weak Cronenberg film is still miles better then a lot of other directors work.
As for me i'd rather be locked in hell with this film rather than that John Singleton film.
Hey what's wrong wit old John, thou I'm not looking forward to watching Four Brothers either.
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Posted: Tuesday October 4th, 2005 05:35 |
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Yep, this film is a disappointment. It felt more like early David Lynch than Cronenburg, with the exagerated apple pie american dream family and the young Laura Dern lookalike daughter.
Strange to say it but the close-ups of people with their faces hanging off, shown after, not during the violence, seemed gratuitous as did some of the sex and nudity.
Agree that Fogarty was great, but the rest of the gangsters seemed like gay rent a thug, with the final shoot out a comic farce.
Conclusion: promising idea very poorly executed - and that's from a David Cronenburg fan.
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Posted: Tuesday October 4th, 2005 16:56 |
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jesus man. you couldnt have made that spoiler alert bigger?
anyhow, at least people will know now. thanks.
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Posted: Thursday October 6th, 2005 12:01 |
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I thought it was awful. Specious, contrived, corny, overly-schematic. I don't really think that this piece of silly schlock is really worth my taking the time to write about it . The idea that violence produces a cycle of violence is so contrived. At one stage, the wife says, 'I can't believe this is happening.' I agreed. Unless the whole film was some elaborate pastiche of the genre. I nearly threw up and the simplistic final symbolism with the macho hero
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Posted: Saturday October 8th, 2005 13:02 |
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COLTRANE wrote: I thought it was awful. Specious, contrived, corny, overly-schematic. I don't really think that this piece of silly schlock is really worth my taking the time to write about it . The idea that violence produces a cycle of violence is so contrived. At one stage, the wife says, 'I can't believe this is happening.' I agreed. Unless the whole film was some elaborate pastiche of the genre. I nearly threw up and the simplistic final symbolism with the macho hero
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Thank you Coltrane you saved me having to write a big rant about how BAD this film really was. It's so bad i think it might actually take the no1 spot from The Blaire Witch project. At least the Blaire Witch project kept me watching just so i can enjoy watching the annoying woman getting killed... This film was just too much... Bad sex scene (very unnecessary at times), corny lines, fake smile, fake happy fake fake fake.
I want my money back and i want to be compensated for making me watch too much spoiled pork.
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Posted: Saturday October 8th, 2005 14:12 |
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was that it??
someone please tell me what the hype was about, cos i must have missed it. everything from this film screamed ' average', and while i cant just pin it down b likening it to one film, it seemed like ive already seen the story about 100 times. these reviewers must really be easily pleased nowadays to be handing out the 5/5 stars like sweets for this depressing dross.
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Posted: Thursday May 4th, 2006 13:07 |
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I just saw it and I thought this movie was unintentionally funny as hell! Particularly the buffoonish eediat Richie the mob boss....."How do you frenchconnectionuk that up?!" and the priceless look on his face when he got locked outside his yard and realised he didn't have the keys....LMAOOOO!
It wasn't the best film I've seen but it was pretty ok. I just found it funny more than anything.
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