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Posted: Saturday August 13th, 2005 15:38 |
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Sembene film 71 views
Batman returns 577 views
500 Years later 81 views
Nigerian films 21 views
Some other useless hollywood garbage to dis-empower us- 999 views
Sankofa 41 views
these are just examples but take a look for yourself and c what the bloody problem is. We just dont support do we?
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Posted: Saturday August 13th, 2005 19:25 |
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You make a good point and yes Im guilty myself but when you talk about Batman, you talking about a multi million dollar hollywood movie with an advertising campaign to match. Everybody and their dog knows about that movie release. The small independant films or the black films made FUBU are less well known obviously. Also even if you know them they are harder to find. Ashanti told me about a certain movie ages ago which took me months to track down and locate so it's going to be hard you see...
Just keep posting them and telling us about them is all. Might be annoying to see the lack of response but some of us do take something from it. Some films I wouldn't have even heard of or known about till I came here.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 06:50 |
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I THINK WE HAVE BEEN GRADUALLY TRAINED TO ACCEPT THINGS WHICH HAVE NO BENIFIT TO US .
PROOF IS IN THE "BIG BROTHER" TOPICS 
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 07:49 |
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soulgrooveuk wrote: I THINK WE HAVE BEEN GRADUALLY TRAINED TO ACCEPT THINGS WHICH HAVE NO BENIFIT TO US .
PROOF IS IN THE "BIG BROTHER" TOPICS
Good point. It's our biggest hit threads with double the hits of the Welcome thread 
On Ocacia's point....just continue to post recommendations and reviews of good African/Black films so that people know about them. That way you may inspire a few to seek the film out and more people get to see it than would have had it not been highlighted. It's frustrating I know, but when you think what we are up against in the efforts to win hearts and minds you get to understanding that the 'wake-up' call is not easy to be made heard.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 09:03 |
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Sorry but I'm going to be the fly in the oitment on this issue, because I totally disagree with the premise put forward in this thread....In fact i'll go further and state now that this type of patronising looking down our collective noses at others really makes my blood boil...
There are a number of points I personally want to make on this.. the first is that this in lots of ways mirrors the Arthouse film Vs Hollywood blockbuster debate or the trash TV vs Arthouese drama debate... Where you get poncey middle class twats looking down their noses at working people who do not GET their poncey opera's or contemporary dance on BBC2/3/4 or worse the Melvyn Braggs of this world..
What they forget and I think people here are danger of forgeting is that without the Hollywood trash there simply wouldn't be the money or the facilitities to make or watch these Arthouse crap that these sangtimous people like to watch.. likewise we may not like BB6 being discussed here but the fact that it exists draws in people here who MIGHT be elsewhere, they wouldn't be exposed to '500 years later' and other such deeper black issues, they simply wouldn't exposed to elsewhere.. Lets get this straight there are no other main stream Black forum with large visitor numbers that I've visited recently that is even covering this at the moment..
This brings me onto my next point, it really gets me that some people still overly rely on the BLACK thing to make their point.. Oh you should get this film, this point because it's about 'black' people and if you don't somehow you're 'asleep' you're 'trained' you're 'brainwashed'...how about the fact that WE just didn't make the relevance clear enough, make the point consistently enough..how about that the point wasn't made PASSIONATELY enough.. Instead of brow beating people, berating and looking down on others because they make choices we do not like or get..how about respecting those choices and deal with how we can give them an INFORMED choice..
It is in my view very easy to preach to the converted, but whats the points in that.. the fact is if the uncoverted don't get YOUR point, get your relevance then I argue the problem is with the message, and the way that message is being put across by the preacher.. NOT those who didn't get the message.. When I hear people arguing the opposite it smack of the worse case of arrogance..i'm soo wonderful, but you plebs are poor brainwashed fools principal..even if this is not what is meant or intended that is how you come across and it is to be frank off putting and insulting..
People may disliked the over indulgence in the BB6 debate, fair do's..but I would have thought that debate provided a golden opportunity to establish links to ideas you want people to THINK about.. I would have thought it represented a golden opportunity to make links to the films and why it is relevence to us TODAY... so if people don't join up the dots, then isn't it up to us who are supposed to KNOW better...to exploit these points and make the connections..?
I think it is highly niave to imagine that you can challenge a blockbuster like Batman begins with a multi million dollar media campaign behind it.. by just posting a details of a black film and then playing the race card in the hope that people might get its relevance...sorry but sloganising or brow beating isn't going to cut it now and nor should it..its lazy and totally out of touch with whats needed today..
sorry if this sounds harsh it is not meant to but i think its something that needs to be said because there is simply too much of this type superblack mentality that just isn't good...
Last edited on Sunday August 14th, 2005 10:48 by Kunjufu
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 10:19 |
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@ Kunjufu
As usual you make some very good points and hard to dispute points. However, I have to disagree with you on BB6. For me the way that debate has dominated the boards is nothing but a sad reflection of the times and I refuke any attempts to put it forward as some piece of meaningful and educational life-learning tool. That argument is totally lost on me.
I reckon the majority of people get the same out of watching BB as people get from rubber-necking at accidents. Thankfully rubber-neckers don't try to claim that it's useful in teaching them about better driving.
Sorry, I guess I am destined to remain one of the un-converted when it comes to BB. The same goes for Eastenders too by the way. But don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge people their enjoyment......just don't come telling me it serves some deep and meaningful purpose in the development of mankind.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 10:31 |
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Backatya: Ok let me make the point of why BB6 was such a good vehicle to gauge where we are as a Black community within the UK...
1. you will remember that when Derek 'Golly' Lauds entered the house, there was a debate on whether the term 'gollywog' was offensive or not... It then transpired that many of the young people visiting this Village had never even heard of the term gollywog never mind knew what it meant... now apart from being shocking it then presented an opprtunity to discuss slavery, and racism of the Enid blyton era..
2. Science's behaviour totally split opinion on this board, some thought he was strong other myself included thought he was a bit of a joke.. however his actions did give raise to a serious debate on what is to young black and male.. and gave i suspect young black men the opportunity to reflect on how they are percieved by others..
3. the Behaviour of Vanessa & Makosi..should have been a wake up call that made every parent question the values within their home, that should also make us question what is 'success' and instill bounderies about acceptable behaviours in and outside the family.. If someone was to tell me that a woman from the continent of Africa would have done what Makosi did I'd never have believed them.. The fact that she did should have us all thinking about how being in the WEST is affecting us..
4. BB6 give people the perfect platform to begin questioning the ideals of unity purely on the basis of colour, to question and rationalise who is worthy of support and who is not...and it definately put to bed once and for all that we are all BLACK together..obviously BB6 proved that this is clearly NOT the case!!!
do you see my point....?
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 10:33 |
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 11:17 |
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@ Kunjufu
I hear you but unfortunately, not being into BB I didn't follow this last series. A couple of times, for the sake of my 'education' and in order to be able to discuss it, I looked in on what was happening in the house. But to be quite frank I simply could not stomach the thing for more than 5 to 10 minutes. The people in it were something else.
In fact the thing is that I don't think the people in there are capable of being real. They are all out for one thing.......the money......and seem to be prepared to do any outrageous stunt, or say any outrageous thing toward that end. It represents the lowest level of human regression in my opinion and quite frankly if that is to be the vehicle by which we gauge where we black people are within the UK, I really don't hold out much hope for us.
You make a very plausable-sounding case, but it doesn't wash with me. BB serves as much use to our community as line dancing serves the art of ballet. As far as I am concerned it is a great example of the dumbing down of 'dumbed-down TV'.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 14:54 |
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@Kunjufu and Backatya. Thanks for the stimulation on something I don't give much time to as this seems to me about potentially diffferent things although linked no doubt. The first issue Kunjufu answered clearly. The comparative power of institutions and I can take that and extend it the impact of popular media on our culture. The film Bullet Boy ain't testing Batman that is a man v a two month year old child conflict.
What follows from there it would seem is the issue do we accept the reality of such dominance and tune in or buy the product or do we put our energies in shaping attitudes to look at other things or some position in the middle. The attidude I think that many have of not watching say Batman or some other BLOCK BUSTER is a valid or legitimate one. Equally is the position a pragamtic one that cha man I just need some entertainment and can take it at whatever level, which does not mean accepting that sh*t with any depth.
I think there may be some possble confusion about presummed leadership. A person who says I don't watch that sh*t is a legitmate position, however it would be less so or more contencious if that person sought or ocuupied a position of leadership or influence. That for me is the critical issue.
You may not personally smoke weed or drink or entertain aspects of popular culture but if you are a leader you will have to sit down and reason with man who are smoking spliff and driniking drink and express themselves in certain ways or express things which may not be politically correct. Same thing with hip hop you have to know something about it other than being purely negative to engage with many youth who are deeply influeced by it if you are to speak within the framework they use.
On BB6 I personally would not watch it, but when I saw the interest in it and followed some of my fav posters around and see things people like Maffie and others are saying I said I have to check this thing out but was simply too busy with work. So that was a practical obstacle to a pragmatic view. It is that classic and imperfect dyanmic of leadership of being in front and clearly so on a range of issues and contexts and others being behind or right in line where popular opinion or interest is in any given situation.
You find this same dyanmic about say books. Some people would not touch certain things with a barge pole they have better things to read, but when certain things create a stir eg the book "Yardie" I had to go and check it out and found it a very good book for many reason and something that could be used for a range of things.
Same issues I think but could be mistaken.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 15:09 |
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I generally would've agreed with what Backatya said but have to say (not because I am a victim to it) that shows like BB6 especially this series can prove to be a good educational tool. I wouldn't exactly put it in the same pot as Eastenders which is fully controlled unlike BB6 which at its best can do some clever editing.
I think that certain programmes you may watch for an entertainment value as I know previously when I randomly tuned into BB I did so to get jokes but I wasn't expecting to watch it on the level I have done due to the subtle messages that was being expressed via the show from the housemates.
If it wasn't for a friend asking me to help her out with BB I wouldn't have been so tied up in the show but on this occasion I am glad I was because some very important messages to our youth was contained in that show and if anything else the responses from members on this forum in regards to that show served good purpose to see our status on certain fundamentals of live and where we stand.
To conclude totally agree with what Fredblack said particulary in his last paragraph.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 18:06 |
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Ocacia wrote: Sembene film 71 views
Batman returns 577 views
500 Years later 81 views
Nigerian films 21 views
Some other useless hollywood garbage to dis-empower us- 999 views
Sankofa 41 views
these are just examples but take a look for yourself and c what the bloody problem is. We just dont support do we?
I watch almost only black films from all over the world, so i suppose i took it for granted every other black person was also. I find hollwood productions so boring and unfulfilling, the same goes for everything on tv sans the documentaries and news programs.
 BB6 only became interesting once i got into arguments (mind you not discussions, debates or observations) on the forum here. Watching it helped me understand how and why people felt the way they did. In short, i learnt more about Black Britain.
I was also surprised by the number of hits that topic got, and it was mostly about Makosi, an African girl. The girl will never know just how much responsibility was on her shoulders, or just how strongly people felt about her antics. I would never have known either if it hadn't been for the forum. I had been watching bits here and there, seeing contestants spreading themselves thin to win money,not concerned about who was representing whom.
I doubt i will seriously watch big brother next year if no black person, make it people, go on.
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Posted: Sunday August 14th, 2005 22:31 |
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Forum: going to comeback again on this topic after the many great contributions that I missed earlier...
Fredblack remade my point more cogently that we need to make connections with those who are outside of the ring of knowledge that guides many of us here on Blacknet...
I've already made the point the bb6 was a good learning vehicle from this stand point to make the connections and then as a platform to reinforce learning points.. However i want to stress that it is not always necassary to use such vehicles to drive this msssage home..
However my central point is that we need to STOP the inverted snobbery that appears to be prevelent among the BLACK than THOU fraternity, of looking down their collective noses at people not exposed to the same material they have the good fortune to have been exposed to... There is simply far to much finger pointing and beratting of people's choice without understanding..
What I'm railing up about is this nanny mentality that ASSumes that the Black than Thou brigade knows BEST... or are BETTER than others..they are not and therefore they should STOP talking down to people and STOP ASSuming other mentality, just because other may not agree with their positions..
I see the same type of snobbery when i'm among white folks, they will mention a book title or an author as a code for either excluding you from the convosation or belittle others not of their elk... I see the same mentality creeping into our mindset..and what worse it's even becoming prevelent here too..with certain posters sloganising with pictures...
My overall point is this, those people on here, on the radio or who lead groups need to stop with this nanny I know best mentality, and start treating people as if they have some intelligence..and most of all stop with this emotion extortion RACE, the if you don't get this you're automatically considered 'confused' 'asleep' or to have a 'problem'...
how many times have you turn on the radio where some johnny leader repeats the mantra 'the problem with our people is this/that or the other'...How many times have you been to a conference and heard the mantra 'we need to WAKE up' or worse that we are the 'problem'. note you will rarely hear that the problem is with the message or the way the message is being communicated..its always if you don't get it you're the PROBLEM... I just don't think that is true anymore....
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