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Posted: Tuesday May 31st, 2005 23:53 |
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the black cinema movies just arent good as the hollywood movies. the truth is that chinese, japanese and indian movies are beter than the black cinema movies.
i wacthed "you got served" its a drama and those are the type of movies i'm into but this film had an ok storyline but if you compare it to other dramas its cack.
and soul plane is just one of the sh*test movies i've seen
barbershop 2 waz ok but not good
the reason these movies probly do good in the US iz cos what it shows in the movies thats how life is in the US people in the US expereince things like that. but comtries like the UK Europe life is different. the thing with the black cinema movies is only urban people will like those type of movies.
It the directors of the movies there just sh*t, they should give me a cahcne i'll make a proper heavy movie
and in the black cinema movies the characters are like the same, same personalities, same status, and 90% of the people in it are african. people mite tink those movies are just for africans its not for them
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 00:08 |
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@ Abs
Depends what genre you are into Abisinnia. I mean you seem to like the romcoms and love dramas (from the ones you named). Personally I couldnt take watching Soul food (be like torture LOL) but then I liked Love and Basketball.
The thing with those type of films for me is that they are all the same. Sweet fantasy I suppose but not much else, they seem to be done by numbers.
@ dimoke
Some of the Nollywood movies are amusing and yes there is deffinately far to much magic and witching people....
@ all
Just been thinking perhaps it was not so bad before.
Films like Boyz in the hood and Menace to society and Juice are considered our bad guy masterpieces as much as white people love to glamourise Godfather, Goodfellas etc etc. New Jack city was the black Scarface... If you thought poorly of Cuba Gooding, Westley Snipes or Tupac in those movies then shame on you...
HOWEVER
The problem was that it brought IMITATIONS and created a genre where everyone tried to do the same thing.
Everyone trying to make so called Gangsta films and in the end losing the point. We went from detailed characters and good plots with moral stories and a message to GLAMOURISATION and plain stupid fantasies... We started out Juice and ended with Belly... it's been downhill for that genre ever since.
Hype Williams clearly is no John Singleton.
I think the thing is orignality... people are scared to break the mould and be different. Rather than create their own good movies, they rehash the old ones. This is not a AA criticism nor indeed a black one because it is popular in mainstream hollywood too, check the number of remakes, sequels and cliche movies about in the box office to see what I mean. But when we discuss making black movies it becomes more critical for us in the diaspora since our numbers are low, we are not the majority and should represent ourselves properly with more constructive material.
Other angles that affect the movie industry is piracy which someone mentioned. This is because for some mystifying reason unbeknownst to sensible people in this electronic ages, most movies made in America come out 3 months later in the UK. So obviously that means that we have seen them by the time they come out, usually from the dodgy copy from the market as opposed to the theatre which obviously kills the movie makers.
Again with black movies being a small niche in the main market obviously this affects AA movies more than big hollywood ones. Downloading is also a b**ch.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 00:18 |
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efenjee wrote: chi wrote: Does every thread have to make it's way to a dark skinned V light skinned issue?
Are you asking Baron Samedi that question or me? Just because Dimoke, rightly stated that people who may be as little as only 5% black are referred to as black in the USA but in the UK we recognise that they are not black but of mixed race, he seems to think she had a problem with light skinned black women. 
I just made him aware that in the UK a light skinned black woman and a half caste (or the more PC 'mixed race') woman like Thandie Newton who he referred to - is two different things. I don't think it's a light skin v dark skin issue, do you?
Why do you cling to antiquated Eurocentric concept of race, let alone "mixed' race?Here, Black is more a social identity rather then some arbitrary percentage.
But back to the point, so called black films cater to the unique African American culture, even if they are satirical, such as Barber Shop, Beauty Shop, Diary of a Mad Black Woman. We must be able to recognise and even laugh at the absurdity of our own behaviour. On the other hand such fims such as Ray, I-Robot, Man on Fire, Hotel Rhawanda, Malcolm -X, Amistad, and Crash can hardly be called crap, unless like many of the frequenters of this site, one simply hates all things American.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 00:29 |
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lol DM i enjoyed soul food cause it had fantastic dialogue and a grandma that reminded me of mine. Soul food was by all accounts a very nicely made film, very heart warming and any one who had a normal upbringing would recognise themselves in it. Unlike Belle and boyz in the hood... never seen no drive by or anyone with a gun and first time i saw a gun in Britain was on a police officer in Luton airport after 9/11 even then i felt like an idiot looking at it with an awe... lol.
The best man was good cause it wasn't the usual crack dealers, drive by shooting and every other word being N****r... it was so great to watch a film full of black people that looked a lot like me and my friends... and of course there is another reason why i like the film  .
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 00:54 |
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101stAirborne wrote: efenjee wrote: chi wrote: Does every thread have to make it's way to a dark skinned V light skinned issue?
Are you asking Baron Samedi that question or me? Just because Dimoke, rightly stated that people who may be as little as only 5% black are referred to as black in the USA but in the UK we recognise that they are not black but of mixed race, he seems to think she had a problem with light skinned black women.
I just made him aware that in the UK a light skinned black woman and a half caste (or the more PC 'mixed race') woman like Thandie Newton who he referred to - is two different things. I don't think it's a light skin v dark skin issue, do you?
Why do you cling to antiquated Eurocentric concept of race, let alone "mixed' race?Here, Black is more a social identity rather then some arbitrary percentage.
But back to the point, so called black films cater to the unique African American culture, even if they are satirical, such as Barber Shop, Beauty Shop, Diary of a Mad Black Woman. We must be able to recognise and even laugh at the absurdity of our own behaviour. On the other hand such fims such as Ray, I-Robot, Man on Fire, Hotel Rhawanda, Malcolm -X, Amistad, and Crash can hardly be called crap, unless like many of the frequenters of this site, one simply hates all things American.
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If "pure" Black women or even dark skinned Black women were what everyone truly wanted to see on t.v. then more people on this board would be supporting more African women trying to become stars!
It makes absolutely no sense to complain about Thandie Newton being Mixed raced and then accept a lighter skinned (or one the exact SAME complextion/hair texture, etc)actress like Essence Atkins AS a "Black woman".
HOW EXACTLY IS EVERYONE SUPPOSE TO *KNOW* THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ESSENCE ATKINS AND THANDIE NEWTON UNLESS THEY ARE A BIG STAR AND YOU GO ONLINE AND READ THEIR BIOGRAPHY ON THE INTERNET?
 
Likewise, complaining Halle Berry is a "mixed raced" taking "Black" women's roles and then claiming Tisha Cambell 's complexion is just one of the many shades Black people come in makes NO sense !
I supppose everyones' suppose to boo Halle and applaud the even LIGHTER tisha Campbell since Tisha doesn't have a White mother like Halle!
 
Everything people here say on this issue is an absolute contradiction!!! One minute "Blacks" (even the ones in Africa) come in all complexions- from light to dark, yet a brownned skinned kinky haired woman such as Thandie Newton is "mixed raced".
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 01:15 |
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How do we classify black film? is it subject matter, or is it if the lead is black? - is I-Robot a black film? Is man on fire a black film ? I've always taken it as: if the writer/director is black then it is a black film, which I suppose is wrong as film making is much more collaborative - what if the cinematographer is the sole black crew member or the producer. To me Summer of sam and the 25th hour are black films due to them been made by a black director am I wrong? would my classification make the color purple a non-black film because of Spielberg?
Didn't see Soul Plane can't be as bad as Batman and Robin with Clooney can it?, liked Eve's Bayou thou.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 01:38 |
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It amazes me how a simple subject as film can turn into a mudslinging activity. From what I've read AA films do poorly overseas is simple......................noone can identify with it. 
We in America are not monolitic and some of the accents are hard for us to comprehend,so I know its a chore overseas.Listen ,black romance does not translate overseas those the dearth of it.I seriously doubt "Love Jones" would pack the cinema in say Hong Kong.Thus the new phenomena of the Latina stand-in Eva Mendes.Pair her with Will Smith and Denzel and it transforms from a Black thriller to just a plain old thriller.
Now not to condone coonism.But what seperates Jim Carrey from Jaime Foxx? Scripts and the availablity of decent ones.
I hope this board doesn't think that "Soul Plane", "Are We There Yet,""Johnson Family Vacation" and "Nora's Hair Salon' is the "be all end all of what we are?
For every Soul Plane, I can counter with "Daughter's of the Dust". Same with music.People go for the lowest common denominator.50 cents sells but Rashan Patterson is better,thus the powers that be in your nation will give you 50.
I agree that Black Britian must create its own reality.I'm sure "Dancehall Queen",and "Third World Cop"is not the best of Jamaician cinema and the total reflection of life in Kingston.
What I do like in America is that some rappers and others are putting alot of straihgt to video productions out there.Are most of them good?.......................no.But its outside of the Hollywood mafia and Blacks are getting some of those dollars.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 02:02 |
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| Isn't it rare for any movie to achieve a one hundred million box office internationally anyway? Generally, black movie stars are still not cast into super-budget productions that an international crowd would be interested in. I don't think people are prejudiced when it comes toward watching black movies - I just think there has not been a movie starring a black actor that has been worthy of international acclaim, can you?
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 04:52 |
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HOW EXACTLY IS EVERYONE SUPPOSE TO *KNOW* THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ESSENCE ATKINS AND THANDIE NEWTON UNLESS THEY ARE A BIG STAR AND YOU GO ONLINE AND READ THEIR BIOGRAPHY ON THE INTERNET
If you were to read what many people from outside the US have stated, it is blindingly obvious that Thandie newton is mixed race...er..She's from the UK. Maybe you have not heard her accent. We already CLARIFIED the fact that AAs have far more mixed blood, so this is entirely different to average blacks and mixed counterparts in Europe. I am Ghanaian, my mum from Cape coast (Central Region), my Dad, the same.
When I go to my village outside of Accra, I see many people that I look like. This goes for West Indians to some degree. In the UK it is very rare to see a green eyed light skinned person whose parents are both black, you dig?
You are insistent on making this a skin issue, will I have to be subjected to more of this tedium?!!
Why are you happy to accept that a fair white skinned Polish woman is different to an olive skinned Italian, but not give us that privilige?
A mixed race person in the UK will have a different upbringing to a same-cultured upbringing as they have two cultures to benefit from. If one of your parents was from Israel, wouldn't you want to learn Arabic and perhaps know of that culture? Can't you see that may be there upbringing would be different if raised by a single white english mum (which is very common case in the UK). Why would that child know much about , Banku, Curry Goat, Fufu, indigenous language, customes ie. (funerals, weddings, blessings, traditional dress, worship)
Admittedly in the Uk, we are integrating and many of us have mixed race nieces and nephews. So, maybe in another 100 years, I will be agreeing with you.
I am glad that there is enough of a balance of level-headed AAs on this forum to not assume that once again, the American way of thinking is always centred around themselves and no-one else.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 05:23 |
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| I think there would be a ton of logical answers that could be put forward but I'd have to say that worldwide blacks aren't exactly viewed in a favorable light. Especially if you research how other countries describe and depict blacks. Things aren't as PC as they are in Europe in and America. Instead of hiding racism people are pretty blatant about it. I have a feeling people would rather see whites or their own kinds on the screen than a movie with mostly blacks. And even the popular ones seem to have to depict light skinned blacks more than dark.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 10:19 |
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Street Fighter 2 wrote: the black cinema movies just arent good as the hollywood movies. the truth is that chinese, japanese and indian movies are beter than the black cinema movies.
You speak as if 'black cinema movies' are truly independent and can be compared to Hollywood, China, Japan etc
I understand what you mean but it doesnt really make sense to seperate 'black cinema movies' from Hollywood as all the movie examples you gave are american, and 99% of the time need to be greenlighted (ie given the go-ahead) by whites.
In many circumstances it is they who decide how the final 'cut' of the film will be made, often totally different from how the original black scriptwriter wanted.
For example did you know 'New Jack City' an idiotic fantasy glamourisation of drug dealers 'in the hood' was originally conceived as a depiction of how drugs are created and pushed into black communities and the devastating effect they have....but by the time Hollywood rewrote it....well, we know what happened!
Likewise Mari Van Peebles had a terrible struggle to make Panther, though it still turned out totally different to what he wanted he had to fight to keep out a fictional character the studios wanted to add.....a white 'Tom Cruise like'character that helps the blacks realise their true idnentity!!!
You only need to look at "Mississipi (sp?) Burning" "Ghosts of Mississipi" "Time to Kill""Driving Miss Daisy""Dangerous Minds"etc to see that Hollywood prefers to portray blacks being subservient and/or rescued by whites.
By the way Soul Plane (which I agree with you was truly AWFUL) was neither written or directed by black people, so its only a black film in the sense most of the cast are black.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 13:56 |
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I don't like most of the movies that come out of Hollywood,period;be they black or white. I tend to like independent films and some foreign ones. I agree that films like Soul Plane are just modern day minstrel material and the usual coonery. At the same time, I can appreciate the satirical humor in a movie like 'Don't Be a Menace...',lol.
I think that Black audiences outside of the U.S. are generally more serious than Blacks in the U.S. AA's have historically used humor as a coping mechanism, as a result our sense of humor is overdeveloped in some ways, and sometimes we don't take ourselves as seriously as we should, in my opinion. If I had my way, we'd see more Black movies like: Eve's Bayou, To Sleep With Anger, When We Were Kings. BTW, I loved Dancehall Queen, don't hate.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 13:59 |
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I wanted to cosign what someone said about "blackness" in America being a social identity more so than a statement about how much of this or that blood, one has. Race, in general, is largely a social construct, it's more about who do u cast your lot with,even for Whites, some of whom would found to be less than totally white, if their dna were checked.
A shared experience is what bonds AA's of all complexions, eventhough it is a forced shared experience. People like Halle Berry and Alicia Keyes, have no choice but to identify themselves as Black, they would never be accepted by Whites as anything else. In places like the UK, South Africa, and Brazil, there is somewhere for mixed race people to run to, not so in America. The only place in America where whites seriously recognized different degrees of blackness , ie. mulatto, quadroon, at one time, was Louisiana, which was settled by the French. Eventually, even they got thrown back into the Black batch, though Black people from Louisiana are notorious for being color conscious/practicing colorism, to this day.
I myself, make a distinction between Blacks with 2 black parents, no matter how white their features are, and blacks with a white parent. Thats's not to say that I won't accept someone with a white parent, but it's not an automatic acceptance that I give to other Blacks until they show themselves unworthy of it. Since race in America has always been theoretically and practically, a social identity, I have no tolerance for mixed race people who want to play the " I don't know what I am game"....like Mariah Carey, among others.
Growing up, my mother was good friends with a white woman who was married to a Black man. Between the 2 of them, the white woman was the most insistent that their children identify as Black, why? because as a white person, she knew that her children had no hopes of being accepted by whites. Her own family disowned her, and didn't accept her fully, just for marrying a n*gger. So how were her half-black kids going to be accepted by Whites? Loving your white parent, does not preclude u from being realistic about your social identity.
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There aren't that many "black" films other than Indie and Straight to Video.Many like Soul Plane,The Cookout,and etc. play up to dumb stereotypes of white/black people.I think this type of 'humor' is not very 'funny' for the most part to intelligent people of all races.
The best Black actors/actresses are American.I think we do better in mainstream roles like Blade,The Matrix,Training Day,and etc.....
These Soul Plane type joints are not really "black" films.If you people were Americans then you would know that the evil Jews run Hollywood.Soul Plane is as representative of American Blacks as as Birth of a Nation.....Same ol sh*t....
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Yet I assume from my time on this forum, people on here prefer to see Afro-Americans in slavery films!
Those movies are pretty much tired.We like comedy,sci fi,and action.Oprah couldn't even get her movie with Halle to the big screen.People are simply not checking for that "slow boring" stuff as expensive as the show has become.American_Exceptionalism
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Ok sis, my point was directed at the NEW generation of Obviously *Quarter* Caste people who we black in the west gladly accept as BLACK! Now, in your case, it is something that was done to our ancestors HUNDRENDS of years ago, it was a vile crime that we had no choice but to be victims of, so there is a BIG difference between YOU and say, that actor who played Ray Charles going around out of his own will, sleep with white women, produce whatever, and bring back to the black community and call it BLACK.....now, common....what the heck is that??
There are Black people like Harold Ford or Adam Clayton Powell are lighter than even these """new""" obviously quarter caste people. American Blacks have people in their family like Grandparents,Aunts,and etc. that are "obviosly *Quarter* Caste people".You can have a light and a brown come out with a "obviously quarter class people".What are we to do?Alienate our kinfolk?Maybe that's what yall do in Africa.....American_Exceptionalism
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I think that Black audiences outside of the U.S. are generally more serious than Blacks in the U.S.
I'd be serious too if I lived in the third world....American_Exceptionalism
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 16:42 |
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I think this topic was a good one ,however it seems to becoming hateful towards Black Americans. People on this site are not reflections on what they do in Hollywood.
It is sad that people are more attracted to Asian Films ,White Films than Black American Films. To me it shows how people are soo Ignorant and Uninformed.
By the way many of you are only comparing Comedy Films to Films outside of the US.Why some of you don't watch Black Drama. Many of our Drama Movies are very good.
Women though Art Loose, Love Jones, Waiting to Exhale ,RoseWood , Love and Baskeball, Brown Sugar ,Diary of a Mad Black Woman, ect...... These are movies that made it to the Cinema with a large Black Cast . I hardly think any Asian or White Movie is ay better than these.
It seems that some of you are too Focused on Hip Hop Culture Movies ,which are no worse than all the White Movies that make it to the Cimena . Whites Movies are not all Good and their movies contains Violence , Promosuity ,and nudity.
How many of you are complaing about that? It seems like None.
But you worried about Movies that are in the Minority in the Black American Culture.
Black Americans have lots of Black Films that did not make to the Cinema ,but they are shown on channels like Bet , Starz, Cinemaz, HBO,Educational Networks,and other Cable Networks.
Some of you are missing out on entire World of the Black culture just Focusing on Hollywood Movies.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 20:53 |
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I think that Black audiences outside of the U.S. are generally more serious than Blacks in the U.S.
I'd be serious too if I lived in the third world....American_Exceptionalism
As far as I know, England is not a third world country. The propensity for clowning and taking too many things less than seriously, that I feel many of our people suffer from is real. Not only is it real, but it has very definite roots and causes. This "happy go lucky" trait was even observable during slavery(which was at least as bad as living in the "Third World", I would say), was even seen by whites as evidence of our being content with slavery, thus the "happy darky" stereotype(look how happy they are, always laughing,singing dancing). Part of it is our natural exuberance and vitality, but a large part of it developed as a coping mechanism during slavery and as a way to appease white folks, it has now served it's purpose.
Someone mentioned that there is very little interest in Black dramas, both among Blacks and whites. The reason is, that seeing Black people do something other than clown/coon/sing/dance/run/jump has always made white americans uncomfortable, and some of us are so accustomed to seeing ourselves that way, that we also reject more serious images of Blackness.
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Dimoke Sista' as usual you've hit the nail square on the head. You are absolutely right, most (damn near all) Black films made in America are "Rubbish" , but keep in mind these films are NOT made by Black people. Black people are paid to be in these films and often to Direct and or Produce them but White folks 99.9% of which think of the Black Race as genetically inferior and a bunch of violent, baffoons and clowns etc. are the ones who bankroll these films.
Oftentimes they will NOT give Blacks the money to even make the films unless them promise to fill the film up with stereotypes and bullshyt that they know nobody wants to see.
The said part is all of you who know why you don't want to see these films will never take the time to tell the people who make the movies. If more of us would speak out then they would eventually get the message.
Of course my films aren't like that, but they still aren't popular overseas because they are simply too blunt and truthful and hit too close to home for over 90% of Blacks who hate themselves, their Race and wish they were White.
Good take on this though.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 21:13 |
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Nollywood movies,too much emphasis on selling (moviesshotin days) rather than quality>
African American ones ,
the big budget ones can be stereotypical and patronizing i.e. Deliver us of from Eva,Beautyshop,Coming to America et all,
the good ones, are few and far between like Purple rain et all >
and then the down right b*llsh*t like the film called the barbecue,Infact has anyone seen that hideous film ,I'm so mad about it because I bought it in HMV,not even bootleg and it sooooooooooooo baaaadddddddd,I had to laugh,because I was so close to tears 
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 21:25 |
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Real Brother here.
Esesbo, you may be talking about "Q" by Director Barry Bowles. Yes, he's an Idiot who refuses to work with me because I told him his films were bullshyt and that he could and should do better.
You would be surprised to learn that Idiots like him and the White folks (Maverick Ent. Xenon Ent. York Ent. Lions Gate Ent.) that put that bullshyt out actually think that Black people like these films and they would lie to you and tell you they make money.
I've been cursed out by these people repeatedly for telling them that Black people DO NOT want to see that bullshyt, (The Barbecue, The Cookout, Beauty Shop, Soul Plane) but they say I'm crazy and don't know Black people as well as the White Idiots financing and distributing these films.
Again, all I can say is you have to write letters to them.
I posted a letter in a entertainment board because I e-mailed the Producer of "Kings Ransom" telling him that the film was bullshyt and shame on him for taking that money when he could have hired a writer (like me) or somebody with some sense and gave them some money and nobody would have even known and the film could have been decent.
He cursed me out good saying all the people saying the film was shyt and who didn't go to see it don' t know what a good film is etc. he was really upset but it goes to show how clueless these IDIOTS are and that's why Real Brothers like myself have got to force ourselves in the game.
Don't forget my trailer at: http://www.urbandemographicsthemovie.com
I would never make a bullshyt movie like these clowns. You wouldn't believe how hard its been trying to get distribution for a film that's not stupid and silly.
No Sellout.
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Posted: Wednesday June 1st, 2005 21:29 |
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LOL
I have watched alot of bad films including Titanic but no film has ever been as bad as BARBECUE wooh what a pile of shiet...
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