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Posted: Tuesday April 12th, 2005 19:42 |
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Judging by all these stupid, unfunny 'comedies' such as Soul Plane, Beauty Shop etc and low rent gngsta flicks, why so it so hard for these dumbass black filmmakers to produce at least ONE epic based on any aspect of our historical legacy?
I really don't need to see any more films showing what a 'downtrodden' people we are plagued with gun violence and drugs, I'd love to see something that portrays what we once WERE. It would be so good to see an action thriller (martial arts)/love story/ mystery thriller/drama/even a comedy based on an ancient African kingdom that existed thousands of years ago. The whole world has been exposed to Chinese Emporers and Japanese Shoguns on the big screen, so why not African Kings, Queens and warriors?
No one can tell me that black filmmakers don't have the budget to make a good African movie, because if they can make all these stupid films that cost a lot anyway, they can use the same financial resources to make something good. I honestly don't have respect for any of these black filmmakers anymore, not even Spike Lee. Considering other cultures don't feel ashamed to create movies based on their own history, it's sad that we with the GREATEST history seem to prefer to run away from our own rather than embracing it.
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Posted: Wednesday April 13th, 2005 00:59 |
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Good to see your post long time no hear from you....how you been.
I completely agree with what you said enough is enough and to make matters worst when they do make these overdone storylines 99% is not even good anyways, we really need to get our act together.
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Posted: Wednesday April 13th, 2005 03:41 |
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| You know, you are so right Prince Hakeem. I always wanted to see a black diasporan remake of Sundiata, the Mandingo King who created Mali's empire. I've seen the African version of the story on film and have read Niane's book, Sundiata, but what I really want is to see it on the big screen of a Canadian cinema. Last edited on Wednesday April 13th, 2005 03:42 by Aryek
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Posted: Wednesday April 13th, 2005 17:05 |
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I have a problem with this as well
The film 'Ray' is a perfect example. The most important black film since Malcolm X and A WHITE MAN DIRECTED IT. And he struggled for finance/distribution but didnt give up
But hey, least we got White Chicks! Lets be thankful
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Posted: Thursday April 14th, 2005 12:04 |
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@All
The only drug film of recent times that is worth watching is Paid In Full (based on a true story).
The film Ray was excellent but I felt that Hotel Rwanda was by far the better and most important movie (Don Cheadle should have won that oscar, but that's another debate for another thread). It may have been based on the very unfortunate massacre, but at least it had one of the most positive representations of a strong black man I've seen in a movie - although that too was directed by a white guy. Even then, it would be good to see what Africa was like before it fell from greatness and became what it is now. Just one epic based on ancient African civilisation would make so much of a difference, but no, we have to big up films that portray us as a bunch of bug eyed watermelon eating sambos.
LOL and you don't even want to get me started on the Wayans family....
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PART OF THE REASON YOU DO NOT SEE BLACK FILM MAKERS PRODUCE THESE FILMS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY COSTLY, AND A LOT OF BLACK FILM MAKERS SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE FINANCES TO PRODUCE THESE KIND OF FILMS. I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY THE RACE CARD, BUT ALSO IF THEY WERE TO DO FILMS BASED ON AFRICAN HISTORY THEIR WOULD BE A FEAR AMOUNT THEM THAT THEIR FILM WOULD NOT GET MAJOR DISTRIBUTED TO CINEMA SCREENS NATION WIDE UNLESS IT WAS CO DIRECTED/DIRECTED /PRODUCED BY A WHITE PERSON/JEW ETCI.E. IF HOTEL RWANDA OR AMISTAD WERE MADE BY AN AVERAGE BLACK FILM MAKER THE FILMS WOULD NOT OF GOTTEN THAT PROMOTION OR SUPPORT.
I EVEN HEARD THAT WHEN SPIKE LEE WANTED TO MAKE MALCOM X NON OF THE MAJOR FILM COMPANIES WANTED TO GIVE HIM MONEY TO FINANCE THE FILM, SO HE HAD TO GET THE MONEY FROM VARIOUS BLACK CELEBRITIES I.E BILL COSBY APPARENTLY HELPED TO FINANCE THE FILM.
I BET IF IT WAS STEVEN SPEILBERG WHO WANTED TO PRODUCE THE FILM INSTEAD OF SPIKE LEE THEIR WOULDN'T OF BEEN ANY PROBLEM.
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Posted: Thursday April 14th, 2005 20:47 |
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| SORRY, BUT THE RACE CARD IS NOT APPLICABLE. TAYLOR HACKFRD TOOK 15 YEARS TO BRING RAY TO LIFE. HOTEL RWANDA DIDNT HAVE A DISTRIBUTION DEAL UNTIL IT GOT OSCAR NOMINATED. THESE CATS PERSERVERED., WHILST SPIKE LEE WAS MAING A FILM ABOUT LESBIANS.
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Posted: Friday April 15th, 2005 00:09 |
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Judge J wrote: PART OF THE REASON YOU DO NOT SEE BLACK FILM MAKERS PRODUCE THESE FILMS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY COSTLY, AND A LOT OF BLACK FILM MAKERS SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE FINANCES TO PRODUCE THESE KIND OF FILMS. I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY THE RACE CARD, BUT ALSO IF THEY WERE TO DO FILMS BASED ON AFRICAN HISTORY THEIR WOULD BE A FEAR AMOUNT THEM THAT THEIR FILM WOULD NOT GET MAJOR DISTRIBUTED TO CINEMA SCREENS NATION WIDE UNLESS IT WAS CO DIRECTED/DIRECTED /PRODUCED BY A WHITE PERSON/JEW ETCI.E. IF HOTEL RWANDA OR AMISTAD WERE MADE BY AN AVERAGE BLACK FILM MAKER THE FILMS WOULD NOT OF GOTTEN THAT PROMOTION OR SUPPORT.
I EVEN HEARD THAT WHEN SPIKE LEE WANTED TO MAKE MALCOM X NON OF THE MAJOR FILM COMPANIES WANTED TO GIVE HIM MONEY TO FINANCE THE FILM, SO HE HAD TO GET THE MONEY FROM VARIOUS BLACK CELEBRITIES I.E BILL COSBY APPARENTLY HELPED TO FINANCE THE FILM.
I BET IF IT WAS STEVEN SPEILBERG WHO WANTED TO PRODUCE THE FILM INSTEAD OF SPIKE LEE THEIR WOULDN'T OF BEEN ANY PROBLEM.
Soul Plane was expensive. There's no excuse. It doesn't have to cost $800 million dollars to make a movie based on African history.
A lot of black filmmakers are just too lazy and have no desire to make anything challenging, it's that simple. Is it better to make coonery and buffoonery because they 'fear' a movie about their own history wouldn't be successful? ? That's just taking the easy way out. A lot of the same people that complain about Hollywood stereotyping the black community are the ones perpetrating them.
I don't personally agree that an African martial arts movie wouldn't do well. To the contrary, a lot of people around the world would be intrigued to watch something on the big screen that's never been seen before - and it would heighten a desire in young black people to study more about their own history. I'm sure we have seen enough hair salons, N****rs, hoes, gats, pimps for now....
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Speaking as an Afro-American, I would much rather go see a movie about something I can relate to (like for example Deliver Us From Eva) than any of this stuff here everyone's complaining about!
Yes, we're tired of the Soul Planes and Beauty Shop's! However, with Afro-Americans probaly making up 10% of the US total (in a 13% Black population), its quite obvious that its not JUST the Afro-American dollar that are making such bufferony a suscess. It seems White American - (and other Blacks) actually DO support these movies..........
Lastly, making an African movie in America would be liking making an Asian one- very difficult!!! How many people could actually relate??? How many people would have actually heard of the "people" the movie would be based on?? How many non-Africans could name 5 ethnic groups in all of Africa???
That has nothing to do with Black/African filmmakers. It has more to do with the audience. No one wastes 60 million dollars on a movie that has no target audience!!
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CashMoney wrote: His Highness is back
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I have a problem with this as well
The film 'Ray' is a perfect example. The most important black film since Malcolm X and A WHITE MAN DIRECTED IT. And he struggled for finance/distribution but didnt give up
But hey, least we got White Chicks! Lets be thankful
Do you care to explain WHY Ray is the most important "Black" film since Malcolm X?????
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Posted: Friday April 15th, 2005 08:04 |
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FAIR POINT CASH MONEY AND PRINCE HAKEEM, I REVOKE MY STATEMENT. HOWEVER FOR SOMR REASON DON'T THINK SOUL PLANE WAS AN EXPENSIVE FILM TO MAKE
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There are thousands of good black scripts out there but the bottom line is the money people are not interested... unless these films can GUARANTEE a very good return. Box office is the key to black films (which is why we usually have the same actors Omar epps, Nia Long or a rapper come actor in most of the lead roles.) They know that the Barbershops, Scary Movies etc are safe bets.
I've written a few of these scripts but the one which caught my producers eye was the coming of age script set in a "ghetto". Surprise, surprise!! I wrote the script with a lot of social commentary, but with every draft, they'd have me remove certain things..."The audience just won get it" they kept telling me. I quickly realised that they saw it as a black film for white audiences.
I have a white director attached (he's also a very good friend) he tells me to stick to my guns... I'm like yeah & this will be the last you see of this brother in the industry. What we do is have two drafts one we intend to shoot from and one which we show the money men.
When Baddaaasss came out, I was in LA, the chinese theartre, nuff white people up in the piece - i was like where are all the brothers supporting these films. i was like dayum, maybe the producers have a point. Infact baddasssss shows what needs to be done to make an independant black flick successful.
It's not easy trying to make a film with a black target audience... unless you're willing to comprimise a heck of a lot... That's how we end up with these "coonville" films that pizz us off when we watch them.
I'm currently working on a war time epic set in Africa 1960... this i'm planning to make with Nigerian money so i can 'tell it like it is". I don't buy for one minute that because its an african subject matter that others wouldn't relate to it. That's just bullcrap!!! We watch white films, sci-fi, chinese films... as a writer you find the common interest and run with it. We can all relate to... pain, failed relationship, death in the family, joys , sufferings...
How do you expect a variety in black films if we just want films that are specifically targeting us. I'm also planning to make a film (for and) about white people too... And believe me brothas & sistas are going to get more of a kick outta it.
As i see it, it's all about picking you're battles!!!!
Our time is coming...
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Posted: Friday April 15th, 2005 13:15 |
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| Its alla bout opinions, although when sayig that I didnt think about Beloved, etc.
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Posted: Friday April 15th, 2005 13:17 |
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| besides afro-american, that doesnt detract from the fact that Ray and Hote Rwanad were boyth made by white men
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afroamericangirl wrote: Speaking as an Afro-American, I would much rather go see a movie about something I can relate to (like for example Deliver Us From Eva) than any of this stuff here everyone's complaining about!
Yes, we're tired of the Soul Planes and Beauty Shop's! However, with Afro-Americans probaly making up 10% of the US total (in a 13% Black population), its quite obvious that its not JUST the Afro-American dollar that are making such bufferony a suscess. It seems White American - (and other Blacks) actually DO support these movies..........
Lastly, making an African movie in America would be liking making an Asian one- very difficult!!! How many people could actually relate??? How many people would have actually heard of the "people" the movie would be based on?? How many non-Africans could name 5 ethnic groups in all of Africa???
That has nothing to do with Black/African filmmakers. It has more to do with the audience. No one wastes 60 million dollars on a movie that has no target audience!!
Think about what you just said....I won't respond to it.
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Posted: Friday April 15th, 2005 13:40 |
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Black people in America are gold dust to companies
Its no coincidnece that KFC, MCD's, Nike amiongst others are ho'ing the black pound like nobodies business.
There is a target audience. The same audience that saw Diary of a Mad Black Women take Number 1 spot in the charts even though it was played in fewer cinemas then the rest of the top 10.
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CashMoney wrote: Black people in America are gold dust to companies
It's a shame that black people can't see the obvious disrespect and exploitation. I heard that McD's wants rappers to rap about the Big Mac to draw in more customers (despite the documentary Super Size Me that exposed McD's for being the poisonous outlet they are by contributing to illness and obesity) and that they will pay rappers something ridiculous like $5 everytime the advert is played!!! I mean wtf??!??! 
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What's the big deal about directors, is in it the material that's more important. If you have a garbage script, the movie is gonna suck no matter the director.
So because a white man directed "Ray", IT'S his project?
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Lastly, making an African movie in America would be liking making an Asian one- very difficult!!! How many people could actually relate??? How many people would have actually heard of the "people" the movie would be based on?? How many non-Africans could name 5 ethnic groups in all of Africa???
Call me crazy, but doesn't what you're describing fall under the catergory of LEARNING and/or EDUCATION!!!!
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Prince Hakeem wrote: Judging by all these stupid, unfunny 'comedies' such as Soul Plane, Beauty Shop etc and low rent gngsta flicks, why so it so hard for these dumbass black filmmakers to produce at least ONE epic based on any aspect of our historical legacy?
I really don't need to see any more films showing what a 'downtrodden' people we are plagued with gun violence and drugs, I'd love to see something that portrays what we once WERE. It would be so good to see an action thriller (martial arts)/love story/ mystery thriller/drama/even a comedy based on an ancient African kingdom that existed thousands of years ago. The whole world has been exposed to Chinese Emporers and Japanese Shoguns on the big screen, so why not African Kings, Queens and warriors?
No one can tell me that black filmmakers don't have the budget to make a good African movie, because if they can make all these stupid films that cost a lot anyway, they can use the same financial resources to make something good. I honestly don't have respect for any of these black filmmakers anymore, not even Spike Lee. Considering other cultures don't feel ashamed to create movies based on their own history, it's sad that we with the GREATEST history seem to prefer to run away from our own rather than embracing it.
Just my thoughts. Peace.
I often wondered the same thing. After seeing all these movies come out about white legends like King Authur, and Troy I found myself asking why aren't there movies depicting African warriors and legends. Why aren't there positive movies that impower black ppl? But then it hit me, alot of black ppl don't want to go see intellectual movies. When there is a movie worth seeing without all the Bullsh*t black ppl don't support it. Its really sad. The only thing I see black ppl going to are movies filled with toilet humour,sex,guns,and drama. All of these so called "Black Movies" were straight up garbage.
.....Oh I think Amistad was done by Steven Speilberg. And I also feel that Don Cheadle should've gotten an Oscar for the movie not only b/c it was a better movie but b/c Don has been an actor way longer than Jamie Foxx;I think he was more deserving. I'm just glad a black person actually earned an Oscar.(unlike Halle,and Denzel)
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afroamericangirl wrote: Speaking as an Afro-American, I would much rather go see a movie about something I can relate to (like for example Deliver Us From Eva) than any of this stuff here everyone's complaining about!
Yes, we're tired of the Soul Planes and Beauty Shop's! However, with Afro-Americans probaly making up 10% of the US total (in a 13% Black population), its quite obvious that its not JUST the Afro-American dollar that are making such bufferony a suscess. It seems White American - (and other Blacks) actually DO support these movies..........
Lastly, making an African movie in America would be liking making an Asian one- very difficult!!! How many people could actually relate??? How many people would have actually heard of the "people" the movie would be based on?? How many non-Africans could name 5 ethnic groups in all of Africa???
That has nothing to do with Black/African filmmakers. It has more to do with the audience. No one wastes 60 million dollars on a movie that has no target audience!!
That's the problem! Why not go to a movie to expand your horizons? Instead of only going to movies that you can relate to. That's the reason black ppl only go to these stupid ass movies as we speak. We're so caught up in what we can relate to instead of looking at something we could aspire to be. When I saw Shaka Zulu the movie,it changed my life as a child,I knew I came from a powerful and noble race and wanted to be like Shaka. Now we got dumbass black youths wanting to be like SCARFACE?! WTF! They only go to see movies that they relate to from the hood;drug sells,violence,and poverty. That's why these sh*tty ass movies continue to be made. I bet you didn't go see Hotel Rwanda did you!
And as far as "not actually hearing about the ppl these movies are based on" goes; that's more Bullsh*t! The country didn't know sh*t about who was the Basis for the movie "Blow" either. But the media had no problem enlightening the public during the promotion of the film. There were alot of ppl I talked to who didn't know about the story of Troy when the movie came out,but they still went to go see it.
BOTTOM LINE: If Hollywood sees an opportunity to make money from a positive or up-lifting movie they would do it.
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@ taysense, yeah it does in my opinion. Its al about the director
Back on topic
I would love to watch a black whodunit. I'm a sucker for them shows, Diagnosis Murder, Murder She Wrote, Colombo, Ironside.
They can be made. The most bankable star in Hollywood is Will Smith. The guy gets number 1's like its going out of fashion. Even the so called flop Wild Wild West opened wuth 52m box office receipts
He is one of those cats that if a director tells the bank that he's part of the flm, the manager writes a blank cheque.
Get the likes of him and denzel on board and your half way there. I can't think of any script ideas but I know that soemthing needs to change
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