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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 21:42 |
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@afroamerican girl
 I'm pretty sure that Prince Hakeem knows that "afro americans were more than just slaves" He's talking about doing a movie about anything just as long as its uplifting and geared towards black ppl,and without all the drama and stereotypical BULLSH*T. I for one would like to see Hannible made into a movie,Hell they got Alexander! 
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 22:18 |
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| Burkina Faso in west africa is becoming a place where great, intelligent black movies are being produced. Two of my all time great films were made in Burkinoa Faso: Tilai and Yabaa. If anyone has a chance to watch those movies, man, scales will fall from your eyes!!! You will see the true beauty of the African soil and the strenght/weaknesses of ordinary people.
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 22:22 |
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This might not get a response, but here's my two cents...
I emaphise with your disatisfaction. But bear in mind there have been scores of exciting, visionary projects by Black filmmakers that have failed to go into production for reasons beyond their control. Like much of the music industry there are few brothas and sistas in positions of influence at an executive level who could 'green light' such films. The one's who are know that they're only one paycheck away from a P45 and unwillingly to rock the boat.
Another issue is distribution. Will Smith with all his millions could make something independently, but how could he ensure he'd get a return on his investment if cinemas couldn't get hold of his product. You need a well oiled machine of global reach to do this. Perhaps in years to come the internet while level the playing field, we just need someone to take a risk...
The distribution networks, like Hollywood, are largely White/Jewish owned and controlled and have little understanding of the potential of widening the palette of black audiences. Whether it's borne from racism or indifference, non-Gangsta movies are an unknown quantity to these people and thus a financial risk.
Perhaps apathetic audiences (bro's & sistren included) themselves need to accept that by flocking to see such sh*te they only encourage the retarded film industry to make more of the same. It's all good coming out with something without the dancing, rapping and killing, but will ppl go and see it? Currently it appears peepz are more willing to check the latest rehash of MENACE II SOCIETY than see a romantic film like BROWN SUGAR. Maybe it was just because BROWN SUGAR was tosh. I dunno 
The U.S. and U.K. are not the be all and end all of black life. There's much good filmmaking coming out of the Africa (the success of the FESPACO film festival in Burkino Faso bears evidence of that). But those movies may as well not exist as many of blacks in the Western Hemisphere are not aware of them. Those movies are more likely to be consumed by White 'arthouse' audiences at the Hampstead Everyman instead of the Rio in Hackney.
Also, many 'alternative' flicks made by blacks like EMOTIONAL BACKGAMMON (British)and the excellent GET ON THE BUS by Spike Lee have been roundly ignored by our own. So again, we need to examine why that is.
But I do agree with you that many of our creative ppl need to check themselves.
If you want to locate some excellent work by Blacks have a look at these websites
http://www.newsreel.org/
http://www.blackfilmmakermag.com/
http://www.afropunk.com
Peace and best wishes
Stringvest
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 23:29 |
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| my sista u r right on point !!!!!
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Posted: Monday April 18th, 2005 23:49 |
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dude regardless of what u make think about spike lee . he was and remains the most innovative black film maker of alltime . having worked with a bevy of great actors- and actresses . 1.halle berry -jungle fever 2. lawrence fishbourne -school dayz.3. and my personal favorite samuel l. jackson. and what about denzel dude lay -off the hater -aid
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Posted: Tuesday April 19th, 2005 05:45 |
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Im curious as to what you guys think are the top 10 English speaking (bearing in mind I havnt seen any African offerings)Black directed/written films.???
I can only think of about 3 at the moment,maybe you guys can jog my memory and then we can debate them.
Daughters of the Dust
Malcolm X(flawed but still a brilliant effort I think)
Superfly(dont shoot me plus im not 100% sure of black
direction)
those are the only 3 that make my list so far,isnt that SAD
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Posted: Tuesday April 19th, 2005 18:47 |
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stringvest wrote: This might not get a response, but here's my two cents...
I emaphise with your disatisfaction. But bear in mind there have been scores of exciting, visionary projects by Black filmmakers that have failed to go into production for reasons beyond their control. Like much of the music industry there are few brothas and sistas in positions of influence at an executive level who could 'green light' such films. The one's who are know that they're only one paycheck away from a P45 and unwillingly to rock the boat.
Another issue is distribution. Will Smith with all his millions could make something independently, but how could he ensure he'd get a return on his investment if cinemas couldn't get hold of his product. You need a well oiled machine of global reach to do this. Perhaps in years to come the internet while level the playing field, we just need someone to take a risk...
The distribution networks, like Hollywood, are largely White/Jewish owned and controlled and have little understanding of the potential of widening the palette of black audiences. Whether it's borne from racism or indifference, non-Gangsta movies are an unknown quantity to these people and thus a financial risk.
Perhaps apathetic audiences (bro's & sistren included) themselves need to accept that by flocking to see such sh*te they only encourage the retarded film industry to make more of the same. It's all good coming out with something without the dancing, rapping and killing, but will ppl go and see it? Currently it appears peepz are more willing to check the latest rehash of MENACE II SOCIETY than see a romantic film like BROWN SUGAR. Maybe it was just because BROWN SUGAR was tosh. I dunno
The U.S. and U.K. are not the be all and end all of black life. There's much good filmmaking coming out of the Africa (the success of the FESPACO film festival in Burkino Faso bears evidence of that). But those movies may as well not exist as many of blacks in the Western Hemisphere are not aware of them. Those movies are more likely to be consumed by White 'arthouse' audiences at the Hampstead Everyman instead of the Rio in Hackney.
Also, many 'alternative' flicks made by blacks like EMOTIONAL BACKGAMMON (British)and the excellent GET ON THE BUS by Spike Lee have been roundly ignored by our own. So again, we need to examine why that is.
But I do agree with you that many of our creative ppl need to check themselves.
If you want to locate some excellent work by Blacks have a look at these websites
http://www.newsreel.org/
http://www.blackfilmmakermag.com/
http://www.afropunk.com
Peace and best wishes
Stringvest
I think you are absolutely right! Most ppl on this thread realize what you're saying and believe the same thing. I know the reason that Hollywood hasn't made a decent black film in a while is b/c there is a financial risk. But that can be said by any company. That's why I said what I said in my first post. Companies are there to make money,if an idea isn't making money they move on to another idea. I hate the fact that the main movie companies are owned by Jewish/white men,but that didn't stop them from making movies like Amistad. All I'm saying is if black ppl demand that the movies be made and support these movies,Hollywood will see a marketable movie genre.
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Posted: Friday April 22nd, 2005 16:40 |
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It appears that black film makers these days are too busyy 'getting revenge' on whitey then making positive/innovative films
Kings Ransom, White Chicks, Soul Plane, Beauty Shop and even Kings of Comedy to busy with ther 'whites cant dance, whites look funny' rhetoric. I always questioned the idea opf a slave mentality amongst peeps but I think its evident in thes e peeps
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Posted: Monday May 23rd, 2005 20:14 |
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The spook who sat by the door
Best black film ever made as far as I’m concerned simply bcoz of the politics surrounding black people around that era 60/70’s one could say the message the film sent out was so scary for the authorities that it could of triggered the influx of crack cocaine into the ghetto’s by the CIA to insure something like that could never ever become a reality.
The film was produced and based on the book written by Sam Greenlee in 1966 about ther first black CIA agent (played by Lawrence Cook) a token negro in the CIA who served for 5 years then left went under cover on the streets and used his CIA training to inspire a black revolution throughout America it circulated the cinema’s for no more than 1 day before the authorities shunned it.
On the preface to the movie Author/Producer Sam Greenlee exposes what he had to go through to make such a film where he had to raise the money $850,000 independently from the local Chicago community as the big wigs wouldn’t touch it with a barge pool. The fact that film has been suppressed for over 30 years made in 73 lets u know it’s not just about money when it comes to positive black movies but more of a wider conspiracy to keep black people oppressed.
What it also exposed was the Uncle Tom mentality that infests Hollywood as the richest black people in Chicago he personally new at that time didn’t want anything to do with it and refuse to speak to him up until this present day. Greenlee’s immortal line when analysing the current day Hollywood situation in the preface was:
"Back in the day they used to buy slaves now they just rent them"
One has to remember that Holly is the chosen wood for use in performing and guiding dream magic by witches and wizards. People wake up and know your enemy
I would advise every black person to watch it u can get it on Amazon.
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Posted: Tuesday May 24th, 2005 04:32 |
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I think as members of the viewing public we must educate ourselves on the range of black films out there and demand more. If multiplexs in Asian areas can dedicate themselves to Bollywood films why not cinemas in black areas? I know Bollywood makes more films then all the Africa and the diaspora filmmakers, but our films exist out there. We are concinded to festivals and retospectives when we need general releases. We need screens that show black films everyday, what was the other cinema in London's west end is now empty anybody got some spare cash? We have room for Soul Plane and endles Taye Diggs romantic comedies but we need a balance and we need it now.
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Posted: Tuesday May 24th, 2005 17:01 |
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Damn good post!!!
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Posted: Tuesday May 24th, 2005 17:22 |
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@Twang. great film we had to watch it. Mandatory in my line of work. They killed Greenlee after he wrote the book. A one book wonder and one of about 6 potentially great writers who died suddenly in the middle of COINTELPRO.
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Posted: Tuesday May 24th, 2005 18:26 |
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Fredblack
What year was that then? bcoz on the preface he’s old and grey and refers back to 30 years ago and the spook was digitally re-mastered in 2003.
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Posted: Saturday June 11th, 2005 09:59 |
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After briefly browsing this topic, I noticed one thing... not enough discussion of independent film makers. Fact is as someone mentioned earlier, there are lots of African film makers producing great quality films. But like all treasures, you have to dig a little to find them.
I'm in the process of adding (albeit slowly) a list of African or pan-African films to my website's forum and I would be happy to see anyone add to the list as it goes. http://www.mamaafrika.com/mamaboard/index.php I'll be adding a couple of titles from Nigeria and some Africans in the Diaspora this week.
Oh and while I'm at it I'll note one other thing: I found Hotel Rwanda to be just another flick which was a twisted depiction of the truth. Ticked me off that they took a potentially incredible story (I know a fair amount about the history of the genocides in Rwanda and about this story in particular... and turned it into a simple love story "Hollywood style". Completely blew a stellar opportunity to tell WHY things ended up happening and showing the world that we Africans don't just like massacres or "tribal" warfare. I'd highly recommend Sometimes In April as an alternative flick. And to learn more about the story featured in Hotel Rwanda, pick up the book "We wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed with our families"... I love it so much I've read it 4 or 5 times and have a few copies "permanently lent out".
Bottom line is, there are pan-African film festivals in LA, Atlanta and NYC which list feature the best films of the year and I'm sure with some effort you could find out where to pick up a copy to view. This year featured films from Burkina Faso, South Africa, Rwanda, Angola and Senegal to name just a few.
African film makers are not only teaching us about our history, but our present (many address the current living conditions of Africans in the Diaspora) and some are just outright entertaining us with artsy, avant-garde pieces. Bravo!
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