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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:22 |
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Who were the first Rappers? What is "Popping?" Why did people start scratching records? Who was the first famous female DJ? Where did Rap start?
Through out AFrican-American history blacks have been the creators of uniquel musicle art forms. Jazz, Skat, Blues, Gospel.....and rap.
"Nowadays if you ask most people to give a definition of "rap", they're likely to state that it's the reciting of rhymes to the best of music. It's a form of expression that finds its roots imbedded deep within ancient African culture and oral tradition. Throughout history here in America there has always been some form of verbal acrobatics or jousting involving rhymes within the Afro-American community. Signifying, testifying, Shining of the Titanic, the Dozens, school yard rhymes, prison 'jail house' rhymes and double Dutch jump rope' rhymes are some of the names and ways that various forms of rap have manifested."
Davy D.
Rap music finds its roots in AFrican drum beats and from Jamacia reggae music. In those early days, young party goers initially recited popular phrases and used the slang of the day. For example, it was fashionable for dj to acknowledge people who were in attendance at a party. These early raps featured someone such as Herc shouting over the instrumental break; 'Yo this is Kool Herc in the joint-ski saying my mellow-ski Marky D is in the house'. This would usually evoke a response from the crowd, who began to call out their own names and slogans.
As this phenomenon evolved, the party shouts became more elaborate as dj in an effort to be different, began to incorporate little rhymes-'Davey D is in the house/An he'll turn it out without a doubt.' It wasn't long before people began drawing upon outdated dozens and school yard rhymes. Many would add a little twist and customize these rhymes to make them suitable for the party environment. At that time rap was not yet known as 'rap' but called 'emceeing'. With regards to Kool Herc, as he progressed, he eventually turned his attention to the complexities of djaying and let two friends Coke La Rock and Clark Kent (not Dana Dane's dj) handle the microphone duties. This was rap music first emcee team. They became known as Kool Herc and the Herculoids.
Rap caught on because it offered young urban New Yorkers a chance to freely express themselves. This was basically the same reason why any of the aforementioned verbal/rhyme games manifested themselves in the past. More importantly, it was an art form accessible to anyone. One didn't need a lot of money or expensive resources to rhyme. One didn't have to invest in lessons, or anything like that. Rapping was a verbal skill that could be practiced and honed to perfection at almost anytime.
Rap music is a rich part of the African-American culture....here are some of the top 20 rap song in hisotry.
1. The Message - Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
2. Rappers Delight - Sugarhill Gang
3. Walk This Way - Run DMC & Aerosmith
4. Fight The Power - Public Enemy
5. Push It - Salt-N-Pepa
6. f**k Tha Police - N.W.A.
7. Planet Rock - Afrika Bambatta
8. U-N-I-T-Y - Queen Latifah
9. Fight For Your Right - Beastie Boys
10. I Need Love - LL Cool J
11. The Breaks - Kurtis Blow
12. One Mic - Nas
13. Mama Said Knock You Out - LL Cool J
14. Cop Killa - Ice T
15. It's Tricky - Run DMC
16. Excursion - A Tribe Called Quest
17. California Love - 2pac
18. My Philosophy - Boogie Down Productions
19. Eric B. is President - Eric B. & Rakim
20. Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
21. Juicy - Notorious B.I.G.

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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:24 |
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:31 |
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BS
check the thread called
"a joke for, though most wont take it that way"
to see the origins of this thread.
Its not about simply naming who YOU think is the best MC, That has been done to death (actually it was Big Daddy Kane) but about teaching the young ones about HIP HOP history.
Parris and I were shocked to find that people coulnt tell the difference between NWA and Public Enemy so we gonna do something about it.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:47 |
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I dont go as deep as some of these ol men but thought Id chip in anyway.
Ill just start from when I started listening and take it from there. Hip hop always around me but starting paying attention for myslef with...
Boogie Down Productions KRS1 Scott LerockYou HAVE to know who KRS1 is... The most arrogant MC ever who declares I AM hiphop. LOL He is a teacher and always coming with the knowledge. Check his tunes like
You must learn
Why is that? YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS ONE
My Philosophy
MC's act like they dont know
CIA
Free Mumia
Stop the Violence
The were also involved in the famous Bronx v Queens wars funny for me listening in UK who at the time never knew where those places were but was excited same way lol Check the tune
The Bridge is over.
Eric B and Rakim
Rakim is the MC's MC. Every thinking persons favourite rapper, he took the art to new heights. Introduced to wordplay patterns and verse structure and my man just spoke on the things from a grimey but real perspective. No glamorisation, no nonsense... just straight flow. He still does a few cameos today and STILL blows the other MC's away. Check out
I know you got soul
Eric B for president WHAT A BEAT!!
In the ghetto
Follow the leader
"I came in the door, I said it before, Ill never let the mic magnetize me no more but its biting me, fighting me, inviting me to rhyme"
Rakim was the DADDY lol
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:57 |
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Actually I found an article that pretty much summed up my feelings on Global Black News.com
(to add though...I think the G.O.A.T....is Ice Cube)
Slow Death Of Hip Hop
It started off as a usual drive home: I threw the laptop in the backseat, checked the gas gauge, and popped in one of my favorite cassettes. In my car, I keep an array of old school Hip Hop that includes the likes of BDP, Public Enemy, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, and Bizmarkie. One may feel that at 34, I should have matured to Jazz status by now. However, as I drive home I reminisce of a time that Hip-Hop encompassed a culture, which included break dancing, Graffiti, MC battles, and colorful fashion statements.
In my translation of the word Hip-Hop, I simplify the term as such: Hip, borrowed from the Seventies slang term meaning “cool,� and Hop representing dance, such as a sock hop. When you put these two words together you get the term Hip-Hop, meaning cool music to dance to. Back then, music wasn’t necessarily rated G as evidenced by Boogie Down Productions inaugural album entitled Criminal Minded, but even by using that example KRS 1 acknowledged his violence on his follow up hit single, My Philosophy, and raised the bar by using his status in the industry to educate the public about life in the street, the government, and issues regarding blacks in America. Other artists during this era continued this movement on wax, which was created by the grit of the street proletariat.
When I arrived home, I spent precious family time with my wife and children, and then wound the night down by reading the Dallas Morning News. While perusing the entertainment section of the paper, I was appalled that the nominees for best Rap Album included Petey Pablo and Mystical. It was at that point that I realized that Hip-Hop had turned into Hip-Pop. Gone are the real MC’s that had different personalities and attributes that set them apart from each other. For example, Das EFX, Digable Planets, Rakim, Kool G Rap and Polo and Public Enemy were able to co-exist in an atmosphere that embraced them for their individuality.
Today, most rap songs include explicit sexual innuendo, fairy tales of being rich and famous, gangster brutality, and violence towards our women. We find ourselves typecast all over again, as if today’s artists are nothing but modern day Hattie McDanielses. Part of me believes that this negative self-imposed image can be attributed to the lack of a positive male influence in the lives of Black males in general. It is my belief that some of these rap artists are emulating a caricature of what being a strong black man really means. The foul-mouth, sex-crazed, muscle-bound caricature is a gross misrepresentation. However, the stereotype can be considered an ugly side effect of the plethora of social ills that plague the Black community.
The way the industry works is similar to a slave auction block, where the master secures the services of a muscle-laden, young buck so he can be assured that he would have a good crop, and create wealth for himself and his family. Today is no different. The industry is infatuated with marketing hardcore types such as 50 cent, Trick Daddy, DMX, JA Rule, and the late Tupac Shakur. This is the image that the CEOs of major record companies want you to see.
As long as this type of new wave blaxploitation is profitable, it won’t go away, but will continue to eat at the fabric that holds the Hip-Hop community together. Rap will suffer the same fate as the infamous “Freaknik,� which started off as a get together between schools that encompass the Atlanta University Center. Playing football in the park, barbecue, and Frisbee were quickly replaced by sex, violent acts, and t-shirt sales. Greed and blatant disregard for the common good inevitably led to the demise of that event.
Until Blacks in America express their dismay by sending a strong message to the media distributors, record labels, and producers that we are tired of being depicted as minstrels, it will continue to be business as usual.
I don’t fault the artist for making an honest dollar, however, every time I hear children repeat profanity laced verses, I think of the adults that allow their children to be exposed to music that is inappropriate for their age. Hip-Hop, as we know it will die a slow and painful death unless record companies start signing artists that are the mouthpieces of the community. This doesn’t necessarily mean it will take 50 Chuck D’s to save Hip-Hop; it means that we need to hear what is important to us, not what serves the almighty record companies.
For now, I will always cherish the memories of my cousin Terrince and I exiting my grandmother's Bronx apartment toting a large boom box in hand, and walking down a urine drenched stairwell to get to the park bench, where we communicated with each other by nodding our heads to the beat as we prepared ourselves for a game of one on one stickball.
With a very few exceptions, today’s Hip-Hop reminds me only of that stairwell, and not Hip-Hop’s glory days.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:58 |
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NWA Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Eazy E, Ren, Yella
One the most most influential Rap groups of ALL time. A west coast pioneers with tunes like Express yourself, 100 miles and running are among their hits but their most famous tune is f**k THE POLICE about police brutality and misuse of power. It got the same attention from the powers that be that Ice T's Cop Killer did a few year before. Check Ice Cube's verse where he says "they think they got authority to kill a minority"
But dont confuse them with being conscious because they werent. It was mainly N****r, b**ch, ho rap... The beginnings of it and the first hip hop of that type to be as big as it was. Worldwide status for talking slack and rapping bout killing N****rs etc etc.
These guys paved the way for Snoop Dogg, Westside connection and most GANSTA music furthermore. For sure it existed before them but they did it in such a public way and sold SOO much that the labels were turned on to it and its been hard to go back since then.
Exprees yourself
f**k the police
100 miles and running
Straight outta Compton
Ice Cube was the first to leave and then Eazy E. They disbanded after that, Eazy formed RUTHLESS reckords and continued a beef with Dre. Check out
Dre's DRE DAY and Eazy'z REAL MUTHAFICKING G's That was some ill batteling beef that I thought was hilarious. "Pranktas!! Studio Gangtas!!"
Watch Chris Rocks movie masterpiece CB4 for a great spoof and pisstake at the fakery of NWA. Check the spoof tune STRAIGHT OUTTA LOWCASH
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 14:58 |
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DM&P.......
Unique i hope you're reading!
Don't want to come up again as retards later on dear.......
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:05 |
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BIG DADDY KANE
A great lyricist with the witty one liners and ridicolous flow. He was the playboy who still got respect from the men because his rapping was THAT heavy. Big Daddy Kane is one of my Favourites. This guy is the MACK! Check out...
Wrath of Kane
Set it off
Raw
Aint no half stepping
Warm it up Kane
Ruff Rugged and Real
All my love (with Spinderella) I know this dont fit with the others but I like it lol
Nuff respect due That heavy tune from the Juice soundtrack
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:11 |
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PUBLIC ENEMY Chuck D, Flava Flav, Terminator X
They looked like Black panthers in their videos and were far more conscious and Chuck D is rated as one of the best MCs... Certainly his voice had power to make you listen. Check tunes like Dont belive the hype and FIGHT THE POWER. "Elvis was a hero to most but I aint give a sh*t about his racist ass..." lol Them man took no shorts in telling it like it was.
Dont believe the hype
Fight the power
Revolverlution
I cant say enough about these guys and what they meant for people back then. PE was ALL important.
http://www.publicenemy.com/
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:13 |
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Now I've read a lot of things on this site.....agree and disagreed.....laughed a bit, got angry.... insulted, been insulted.....but I've never read something that really made me stop......pause......think.....nod my head. Until today
Its like the passing of a loved one.
Abissinia wrote it, I quoted it...and have to repeat it.
"I Feel sadness for those who missed the greatness that was hip hop"
Probably one of the most powerful statments I've read on this site.
Hip Hop was not just music. For those of us who were born in the wake of the civil rights movment, the vietnam war. (born 1970 - 1980) and Funk and disco. It was our coming of age, how we were raised... The early artists of hip hop set the stage for a brand of music that was truly about Black heritage and culture. Hip Hop simply made you feel good. It was like everyone was a poet, a creator of art. The topics when from black pride, to basketball, to dancing, to business men, you name it......it was hip hop.
I was about true Black self expression Hip Hop brings us back to those times with family and friends...listening to that music that made us simply PROUD TO BE BLACK.
We've had our beef in the past sis...but I can tell you....that is a powerful statment you made.
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Hoover High School
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:20 |
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all bow down to the legacy that was hip-hop!
It so weird to think that there is a generation growing up who don't actually know or understand the significance and the greatness of this musical genre, created by us and for us. Telling the stories of an entire generation of disenfranchised black youth!
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:22 |
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Wu Tang Clan
The best Hiphop group of EVER and NO NO NO NO Im not accepting ANY arguments. These guys came out in 93 with enter the 36 chambers. Think of the line up, Ghostface, Rebel INS, Method man, Raekwon, Rza, Genius, Master Killer, U god, Ol dirty b**tard...
Rza was the Producer who was unlike anything before and had beats samplin Kung Fu movies (like the type I grew up on) and strange Western samples in there. He produced most of the groups classic solo albums too. They have some of the best lyricist and some of the best tunes. I would rate Gza, Inspektah deck and Method the best and probably Raekwon too. Too many tunes to mention lol but some of the early ones...
Tiger style
Proteck ya neck
Da mystery of chessboxin
CREAM Still one of the best ever rap tunes
Can it be that it was all so simple then
Wu Gambinos
Mr Sandman
Cold wars
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:28 |
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Tribe Called Quest Q-tip Ali Shaheed Jarobi Phife Dog
A afrocentric group and part of Native tongues with Queen Latifah and others... These jazzy dudes kept making banging beats right in to the 90s and there style is a smooth mellow one.
Bonita Applebum I liked this one, I had a Bonita...
Stressed out Classic
Can I kick it
Infamous date rape
Find a way Yeah Yeah I know... This came later.
De La Soul I cant remember the names of the band members...
Picture Rap hippies. All flowery and peace loving stuff. Their album was the most... umm well I havent heard anything like it since put it that way. Im not sure if they were Native tongues too but I know they were affliated with those other groups. These guys lasted long, they still keep breaking up and reforming to this day!! They are still good too.
3 is the magic number
Me, myself and I
Ring Ring Ring
It aint all good I know this came years later but so what its a classic
Slick Rick
The patch eye, massive gold chain wearing "most stylish" dressed MC from London is the only rapper to go from here to there and make a big impact. Oh yeah Monie Love too.
Slick was famous for his storytelling ability, his best tunes were storys. His voice was funny as hell too. Some strange accent.
La Di Da Di Famously covered by Snoop
Bedtime Story
Mona Lisa
Salt N Peppa Salt Peppa Spinderella
These three chicks Im sure everyone is familiar with... at least I hope so.
Whattaman
Lets talk about sex
Push it Lil youth club discos back in the day everyone thought theys could breakdance when this came on... we were wrong.
EPMD Eric and Paris making Dollars lol
Always Business with these dudes... no matter I liked em and they lasted long and were really big at the time. You always HAD to have their latest stuff.
You gots to chill
Strictly business
You're a customer
Big payback
Its my thing
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 15:45 |
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Umm Monkey dude, you are needed on the "OPEN" forum.
LOL its gonna get ugly.
In any event.
I am trying to figure out where the change in hip hop came...can we really blame it on NWA?
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 16:12 |
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Thanks for the 'head up'...
Nah we cant blame it all on NWA because Ice T preceeded them and people were making that kind of gangsterism anyway. Like Too Short for example... Also what about LUKE and his booty music and how that affected women?? "just shake that asss b**ch and lemme see watcha got"
The thing with NWA is that they had a perfect formula the right mix of people Dre is a beatmaker who is without equal and Cube and E had SOO much charisma that they SOLD well and the forces that shut down everyone else couldnt shut them down... money reasons.
f**k THE POLICE was relevant and I suppose MANY MANY people felt that tune. We certainly did over here, I was a young one but at the time and for years before we had been targets for police brutality. They were the right group with the right formula at the right time.
Its not ALL their fault but they played a massive part in it.
The East coast had Tim Dogg and others at the same time and he was hardly a saint now was he 
They did spawn a generation of gansta hip hop. Like South Central Cartel, Westside Connetion, Dogg Pound, Comptons most wanted, and eventually TUPAC.
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LL COOL J
Lil teenage star who though he was a Galliss. Ladies Love Cool James. This guy started out young and went through it all, groupies, rap beefs, stardom... Obviously we all know who he is NOW, but some of you should check his earlier classic stuff. THe self proclaimed GOAT is still rapping but he fell off ages ago and is a better actor now. I have to give him credit for one thing... he been around ages and never lost a rap battle (yes he DID beat Canibus), listen to Back where I belong... burried him.
Rock the Bells
Mama said Knock you out
Back seat of my jeep
Around the way girl
I need love
Jack the Ripper
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Tim Dogg was garbage he jumped on the NWA dissing bang wagon bcoz the West Coast had it locked and he was just repping for the East. When Suge eventually got Dre released from his NWA contract so him and Dre could start Deathrow devoid of Easy E Royalties the introduction of Snoop ended his short lived career. He ripped apart Luke (2 live crew) Tim Dogg and Easy E in that now infamous Dre day video. This in my opinion was the beginning of the end of real hip hop simply bcoz Suge Night a REAL Gangsta (A high ranking dedicated blood) was now in control of one of the most sort after commodities in hip hop…
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:20 |
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DM,
A Philly rapper named Schooly D was the first to put gangster on wax.
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Posted: Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:29 |
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Nice one
Twang
Without going into the nonsense of why you think N****r, b**ch, ho, pimp kind of hip hop is REAL...
EAZY and his boys finished Dre day.
To be honest with you I thought Dre and Snoop sounded very very gay on Dre day... lets recap
"gap teeth in your mouth so my d**ks got to fit"
"and my nuts on your tonsils"
"Lukes bending over so Lukes getting f*****d"
"and Imma snatch yo ass from the backside and show ya how death row pull off that hoo ride"
WTF???? How nasty is that... I know some things get mixed up in translation but damn!!
Anyway This from Real muthaf**king G's... (they had a real picture of Dre in drag with make up which kinda won the argument before they even spoke lol)
"All of a sudden Dr Dre is a G thang but on his own album covers HE was a SHE thang"
"where the f**k you find an anorexic rapper" (meaning Snoop)
"you only 60lbs when you wet and wearing boots"
"they tried to play me on Dre Day BUT DRE DAY ONLY MEANT EAZY's PAY DAY" Eazy was still legally entitled to Dres proceeding so when dre made a tune dissing him, Eazy profiteered HA HA HA HA.
"Damn its a trip how a N****r can swicth so quick from wearing lipstick to smoking on chronic at picnics"
But then this verse killed it dead!!
Everyday its a new rapper, softer than a b**ch but portray the role of gangsta
Aint broke a law in ya life, yet everytime you rap you yap about the guns and knife
But take a good look at the, Dr and you'll capture
The fact that the master is simply just an ACTOR
Who mastered the Slang and the bang and the mental of N****rs in Compton, Watts and South Central
Never ever once have you ran with the turf, but yet in every verse claim you used to do the dirt
But tell me whose a witness to ya f**king work?
See you never handled business, So save the drama JERK
N****rs straight killing me, knowing that they PRANKSTAS, This is going out to you STUDIO GANGSTAS
See I did dirt, put in work and many people can vouch that, and since I got stripes, I got the RIGHT to rap about that
But N****rs like you? I gotta hate ya cos Im just tired of Suburban N****rs talkin about they came from projects
Knowing you aint seen no part of the street G
That holds SOO true even of 90% of rappers today and that was like 10 years ago lol Dre lost that battle like a mutha....
Last edited on Thursday February 24th, 2005 17:39 by The Watcher
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