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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 11:03

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I was just searching the internet and found this Article about Steve Biko...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/background/37448.stm

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Biko was detained and interrogated four times between August 1975 and September 1977 under Apartheid era anti-terrorism legislation. On 21 August 1977 Biko was detained by the Eastern Cape security police and held in Port Elizabeth. From the Walmer police cells he was taken for interrogation at the security police headquarters. On 7 September "Biko sustained a head injury during interrogation, after which he acted strangely and was uncooperative. The doctors who examined him (naked, lying on a mat and manacled to a metal grille) initially disregarded overt signs of neurological injury."1

By 11 September Biko had slipped into a continual, semi-conscious state and the police physician recommended a transfer to hospital. Biko was, however, transported 1,200 km to Pretoria – a 12-hour journey which he made lying naked in the back of a Land Rover. A few hours later, on 12 September, alone and still naked, lying on the floor of a cell in the Pretoria Central Prison, Biko died from brain damage.

The South African Minister of Justice, James (Jimmy) Kruger initially suggested Biko had died of a hunger-strike and said that his death "left him cold". The hunger strike story was dropped after local and international media pressure, especially from Donald Woods, the editor of the East London Daily Dispatch. It was revealed in the inquest that Biko had died of brain damage, but the magistrate failed to find anyone responsible, ruling that Biko had died as a result of injuries sustained during a scuffle with security police whilst in detention.

What do u think really happened? i think the treatment of Steve Biko was trully inhumane, how can u leave somebody seriously hurt naked lying on the floor. This story is a story that will stay with the black community throughout our lives.I remember watching the film of Steve Biko when i was very very small, maybe about 5 or so, as young as i may have been i still believed that his treatment was wrong but i still don't know what to believe about his death although i know that he was killed by the white policemen. We must never forget the suffering of this man, he died because he wanted to put an end to Apartheid.

Steve Biko: Martyr of the anti-apartheid movement .

 

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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 11:24

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There is as yet no biography of Steve Biko.  The movie cry freedom was more about the journalist than him though if inspired you then it did some good still.

He was one of many prisoners who "commited suicide" or had "accidents at the time".  Remember then end of that movie when they listed a whole heap of names and how they died?  Lots of brothers seemed to be falling out of windows or slipping and breaking their necks in the showers...

Steve Biko was a leader and developer of black conscious thought in South Africa during aparthied.  His writings influenced many people.

Though you cant actually get a biography of him you can read some of his writings.

I have the book I write what I like you might be interested in reading that one.

Good on you for bringing him up!



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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 16:55

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@Nubian Princess. As DM said Biko was the founder of the Black Conciousness Movement and key player in the students movement. The BCM were the ones responsible for injecting many of the ideas of Diasporan black nationalists eg the US and Caribbean, UK etc into the liberation movement which at that time was dominated by issues of structures, economic and political justice. TheBCM were talking about black power, the importance of African culture, history, heritiage etc and how this links up with the other aspects of the liberation movement.

Biko was systematically tortured like many brave leaders and solidiers of national liberation but Biko was tough and therefore really got the treatement in terms of torture. The full monty. His serve skull fractures showed the type of beatings he had taken and consistent with having his head repeated smashed into a wall and then dropped out of a window for good measure in an attempt to cover up his brain and skull damage.

Simple as and the torture techniques they used were always known and published as in a BOSS agent (whose name slips me this second) who turned and wrote about what was taking place there while he was on an operation in London trying to penetrate Pan African and radical organisations supporting the South African liberation movement.

Biko's death is no different than that of many others and in fact to this day how black and white south African can occupy the same space is beyond me; as only one nation in Africa was worse in its torture which was Namibia who would cut off hands and body parts and use phosphourous on our solidiers. Got pictures here and they are horrific.

But for me the real injustice and betrayal of Biko and hundreds and thousands more was done by Mandela, Thambo et al in giving their blessijngs to that foolishness of Peace and Reconcilations Hearings. Which in effect allow all the white perpertrators of these crimes against African humanity to walk, simply by apologising and finding relgion or their new calling in promoting the new non racial South Africa.

That is betrayal, utter betrayal and worse a cheap betrayal for what was being propoed as the new reformed or promise of the new South Africa. Every member of the security, police and intellience agencies and informer and black collaborators from a particular level or rank upwards should have got it and got it good or enough of them to pay for the lives and torture of good dedicated soliders. Their lives have been rewarded cheaply, insultingly cheap.

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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 23:27

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Yeah that sounds good, im young  tho but im just really interested. whats ur book about and how can i get hold of it/?



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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 23:29

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@ FB... Could u please send me some of the pictures that u were talking about please, thanx.

and yes, it strikes me that the white people even had the cheek to stay in africa and my mums always says to me that Despite all that the white man has done, they still get treated like Royalty when they go on holiday 2 black countries or when they live there... especially in Africa.



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 Posted: Monday January 17th, 2005 23:44

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This is quite true and quite embarassing I must say.  Some of the older people are still rather colonised in their minds.  The sort of attitudes they have towards whites really annoy me.  Once when I was in Zimbabwe sitting watching some documentry about submarines or whatever an old great aunt of mine said something like "hmm look how these Europeans clever eh?" and they all mummered their genuine appovement of those sentiments... I was only a teen but I remember that.  Shocking.  Many other such statements.  There are black people who dream about how it was under Ian Smith and so on, Im serious. 

Back to your point its true though.  If you go as a black tourist to one of the top hotels there they wont treat you anywhere near as well as they will the whites.  They jump through hoops for them

Though I think this is probably only in those countrys like Zimbabwe, Kenya, Malawi, Namibia and South Africa where whites settled and stayed in big numbers imposing these values and stupid mindsets on generations of African people.  You wouldnt find such subservient attitudes in Nigeria or Uganda for example.  Though people obviously are welcoming to tourists.

Also things are changing, the younger generations do not have that reverence and respect for them at all... in most places (especially SA and Zim) you will find downright contempt for the whiteman among the younger ones.  Also those people who were subservient were in a minority even back then... If people were so worshipful of the whiteman completely we would never have taken up arms and fought for independance in most nations.  We did though eh?

The book you asked for about Steve Biko is called I WRITE WHAT I LIKE

If you are more interested in South Africa you can also read about Walter Sisulu and Nelson Mandela and if you want to go back further you can read about Shaka or Moshesh (MshweMshwe).  Have fun:)



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 Posted: Monday February 7th, 2005 17:09

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The man was making waves across the ocean, I'm sure the black panther party were inspired by him, wouldn't have been long before the whole nation took a stand. I write What I Like is an excellent book although it wasn't written by him the man even psyco-analized white thinking understanding that their guilt led them to want to help but in the wrong way.

Education is the key and it is still being used to suppress us.



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 Posted: Thursday March 17th, 2005 08:40

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I love Steve Biko and Patrice Lumumba especially. I would die for them.



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 Posted: Thursday March 17th, 2005 11:37

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@DM

I had a South African white guy (blonde head blue eyes) who worked with us temporarily although was later sackedbanana.gif.

He had the chick at one time to tell me, that he was more African than meblkfingerwag, I have never shown any major anger at work (they know me as cool and collected), but I nearly lost it with this idiot.

On the Zimbabwe issue, I had to commend my Jewish boss for this, one of the white girls who happen to live in Zimbabwe was going on about how that treating ppl in Zimbabwe, "taking our land", and my boss simply told her "but it was never yours and the way it was taken was inhumane".

Back to the topic, @FB I hear about the man, but didn't really know to much about him, always wanted to find out.

But all in all I think it is pitiful how Black ppl in Africa treat white as if they are Gods, even a cousin of my Friend from Nigeria came over to London first time, we went to a club and all he was looking for was a white girl... I just didn't know what to say to him...



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 Posted: Friday March 18th, 2005 21:09

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DrunkMonkey wrote: There is as yet no biography of Steve Biko.  The movie cry freedom was more about the journalist than him though if inspired you then it did some good still.

He was one of many prisoners who "commited suicide" or had "accidents at the time".  Remember then end of that movie when they listed a whole heap of names and how they died?  Lots of brothers seemed to be falling out of windows or slipping and breaking their necks in the showers...

Steve Biko was a leader and developer of black conscious thought in South Africa during aparthied.  His writings influenced many people.

Though you cant actually get a biography of him you can read some of his writings.

I have the book I write what I like you might be interested in reading that one.

Good on you for bringing him up!


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There is a biography of Bantu Stephen Biko. Its entitled "I go where I like". I read it many years ago. A true Pan African hero and a credit to his country.

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