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 Posted: Sunday May 27th, 2007 22:44

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Okay. I am a university student of Jamaican parentage. Recently I have been 'dealing' with a guy from Guyana. To start off things were rosy as usual but then as soon as we had a talk on our cultures we clashed. It started when I told him that I did not want to visit his country. He went mad. He kept saying: "what is so great about Jamaica? Do you know Guyana has a higher literacy rate and is much richer?" Statiscally, the latter is not true according to wikipedia. Jamaica has a higher GDP than Guyana but lower than Trinidad and Tabago. He also said that the majority of black men in prison are either Jamaican-born or of Jamaican parentage. I was furious. He was saying everything bad about Jamaica. So I wanted to say what a relative told me, that Guyana and Trinidad has more AIDS than most carribean islands. But I kept my tongue in place because I was in his room. His argument was irrelevant to my statement. All I said and meant is that Guyana was not a country I was particularly interested in. I dont think he likes me for what I said. He kept going on and on and on, repeating the same stuff. I wanted to slap him.

It was interesting to hear what he had to say but I don't know if I could put up with this with a guy from another culture.

Just would like to know what people think.



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 Posted: Sunday May 27th, 2007 23:13

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 I actually don't see this as being your fault. If someone says they aren't interested in visiting America, I wouldn't give a sh*t especially if they weren't American the start with. And in your case you aren't Guyana or part Guyana so it wasn't like you were 'ashamed of where you come from or something'......confused3



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 Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 11:27

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Maybe he did go over the top, but see it from another angle. If you are dating someone (personally speaking) it's only fair that you would embrace such things as their culture. To tell your lover you have no interest in his country is knid of like a slap in the face confused3as his country defines who he is  - beliefs, etc. You were both at fault.



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 Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 12:50

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To be perfectly honest I felt the whole thing was just infantile, and so out of date.....However BFG makes a valid observation in that your remarks were at best insensitive.



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 Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 13:51

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To be honest the both of you are bloody immature.



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 Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 14:48

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Tell him you don't want to hear any of his lip and that as far as you're concerned he can cram it with Walnuts.






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 Posted: Monday May 28th, 2007 15:53

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DaChiefette wrote: This 'argument' was blown way out of proportion. Globally important issues for black people all around the world was used between the two of you to score points of one another.  I agree with BFG, you need to embrace each others cultures and celebrate it.  After all our history and ethnicity is steeped in africanism.  I wonder if you were offered an an all expenses paid trip to Guyana would you still insist that you don't want to visit his country!?.Okay. I am a university student of Jamaican parentage. Recently I have been 'dealing' with a guy from Guyana. To start off things were rosy as usual but then as soon as we had a talk on our cultures we clashed. It started when I told him that I did not want to visit his country. He went mad. He kept saying: "what is so great about Jamaica? Do you know Guyana has a higher literacy rate and is much richer?" Statiscally, the latter is not true according to wikipedia. Jamaica has a higher GDP than Guyana but lower than Trinidad and Tabago. He also said that the majority of black men in prison are either Jamaican-born or of Jamaican parentage. I was furious. He was saying everything bad about Jamaica. So I wanted to say what a relative told me, that Guyana and Trinidad has more AIDS than most carribean islands. But I kept my tongue in place because I was in his room. His argument was irrelevant to my statement. All I said and meant is that Guyana was not a country I was particularly interested in. I dont think he likes me for what I said. He kept going on and on and on, repeating the same stuff. I wanted to slap him.

It was interesting to hear what he had to say but I don't know if I could put up with this with a guy from another culture.

Just would like to know what people think.



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 Posted: Friday June 1st, 2007 11:04

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He did go over the top, but you were incredibly insensitive too, so... you were both so derisive of each other's countries/backgrounds etc. Very sad.



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 Posted: Friday June 1st, 2007 15:02

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I knew a couple that divorced because of this same issue.



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 Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 16:17

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Kunjufu wrote:

To be perfectly honest I felt the whole thing was just infantile, and so out of date.....However BFG makes a valid observation in that your remarks were at best insensitive.


What do u mean out of date? The inter-cultural clash is still going on today. And yes probably I was being insensitive to his feelings - that I can agree with.



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 Posted: Wednesday June 6th, 2007 16:32

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Proverbs wrote: DaChiefette wrote: This 'argument' was blown way out of proportion. Globally important issues for black people all around the world was used between the two of you to score points of one another.  I agree with BFG, you need to embrace each others cultures and celebrate it.  After all our history and ethnicity is steeped in africanism.  I wonder if you were offered an an all expenses paid trip to Guyana would you still insist that you don't want to visit his country!?.
 

Lol. Yeah, probably I would but not if there were people like him. A lot of caribbeans, africans and even jamaicans themselves look down on the jamaica. I wonder why that is. I don't think I can celebrate a culture that I don't know much of. I know more about India and china than Guyana! And yes the African element is strong but I don't consider myself African. That is just a lazy excuse to unite all the diaspora on paper when physically we are all different. I embrace the African culture as a way of expanding my cultural awareness, not as my heritage. Yes my culture derives from there but I am not african. Other cultural elements make up Jamaica aswell.

I have to admit that before I met the guy I never wanted to have any connection with non-jamaican caribbeans. I used to think that they were all arrogant and resentful towards Jamaicans. I hoped God would provide me with a Jamaican man because I had a feeling this sort of thing would happen.

Deep though in spite of all the feud I still do like him. But I think it was best that we took our own paths.



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 Posted: Thursday June 14th, 2007 18:01

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Da,

It seems that he may have misinterpret what you mean or he just have a serious emotional problem somewhere.While intercultural conflicts( In this case between Africans and AA's) where I live isn't in a state of emergency, it still can be a problem. Now, I guess because I'm African-American and always had this thought that people from other countries had better relationships and understood each other much better than lets say, Blacks of American descent and maybe you''' probably call me duncey, when I stell you that I was taken aback seeing Puerto Ricans/Peruvians( that I seen), on not wanting to be called Mexican and vice versa( I've always heard that about them in the Latino community, but to see it in person?!?! Hmmm)  and even moreso, an incident at my college, where this Black South African girl( not the "Coloureds") just cussing this other girl from Burkino Faso out and just dissing her and the things in her country.

As an African American, I found that to be so strange to me because everytime I seen an African befriending another African it's like " What 's up, man" and they get to talking like the have known each other for years and many of these Africans didn't come from the same country  .It's like what ever cultural differences they could have had never flared up between them. It's like with my boyfriend. He's Malian, but I've seen him befriend people from Cameroon, Togo, Algeria and especially from some of the French Speaking or Portuguese countries like Cape Verde, since he's more familiar with those countriesand depends on what is the topic of discussion and one that I can relate to in the French( some Frech at least) tongue far as myself. I might ask a question ot two about it, but for the majority of the  time, it's all him I just look at him and awe and they be having the conversation of their life times and he don't know about them no more than a second.. I asked him if he had ever fought with a " brethen"( Another African ). he said once with this man from Lesotho becasue he was getting on his last nerves. It's the same for the people of Caribbean heritage. It's just seem that they have that " what's up " mentality when it comes to speaking to another person from another part of the West Indies. Even with some of them, some of seem that they have a good time talking to an African person. To me and some other American's it may seem odd to see such fights like that, although you know they exist.looking on the Blacknet, you know that they really exists.

Far as this guy,Like I said, I seen it I've even had an experience with it, but life goes on and so am I, that is how I would have responded to him because every country has their problems, Guyana included. If the world were that perfect none of us would be in it.

 



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