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Posted: Saturday May 12th, 2007 12:46 |
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Thought I’d look for update on the black roots project but saw only the same old things:
http://www.dnatribes.com/sample-africanamerican.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2006-02-01-dna-african-americans_x.htm?csp=34
http://bookerrising.blogspot.com/2006/02/african-ancestry-dna-tests-results.html
http://www.uml.edu/dept/biology/rootsproject/ny_times.htm
http://www.africancrisis.org/ZZZ/ZZZ_News_010808.asp
and many more….
I was struck how repeatedly there wasn’t a mention of Ghana as origin of those sampled….
...sure I always thought the majority of slaves taken from Africa came from Nigeria, Congo, Angola and Mozambique ….but since a majority of people here on the board feels most slaves came from Ghana why is this not evident in these tests…
Therefore, my mind flashed conspiracy….
Am I the only on who…
How can I put this…
Does anyone have an opinion on these projects, expert or otherwise, or feel as I do that there is a great scope here for white people to cause mischief. My assumptions are that white geneticists, white owned laboratories, white research facilities etc are at the forefront determining the results of test carried out on our behalf and relaying the findings to us. How can we be sure that these tests are carried out accurately and without political motivated misinformation or whether, indeed, these tests were carried out in the first place? Moreover, that these are not more ways of exploiting “race� for financial rewards.
Even on this board, the Genetic Genealogy advert is asking people to spend money on (the Gene business)
Anyway, what are the latest results?
Is a clear pattern immerging?
Which part of the continent are the genes pointing towards…?
If I, as a Nigerian, pretended I was from Jamaica and went to do one of these test I wonder what the result would be?
Last edited on Saturday May 12th, 2007 13:09 by FireStarter
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Posted: Saturday May 12th, 2007 19:25 |
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To me the idea itself seems quite strange. That's like asking someone "what ONE place are ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of your ancestors from"?, (and whatever your answer is that's your orgins/homeland/where your ancestors are from!)
Who exactly could answer that question when in all likelyhood very few people living today have ancestors all from the same country or tribe or even race?
And of course these dna test are probably ripoffs! The first Africans were in East Africa and later moved South and West (I'm also sure mixing with one another along the way as well). Like MOST race based science today they are only using "guesstimates". For example if one tribe/people is known for a particular trait then they'll use that as a marker to differentiate from another group even if that "trait" is only in 60% of the population. You can only imagine how unreliable a lot of these test probably are...........
I also find so much varying information on different sites I don't know what to believe:
http://www.dnatribes.com/sample-africanamerican.html
This for example. I can imagine how unreliable this sample is if its taking people of Jamaician and Candian backgrounds and using them to test for the orgins of "African-Americans". Most sources that I have read stated that Jamaicians had mostly Ghanian orgins (which strangely as you stated this didn't show up in the study). Actually the ALL of the studies I haveread said, only about 14% of Afro-American orgins come from the "Gold coast" regions. But here your study has OVERWHELMINGLY Nigerian orgins.
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Posted: Saturday May 12th, 2007 19:32 |
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FireStarter wrote:
If I, as a Nigerian, pretended I was from Jamaica and went to do one of these test I wonder what the result would be?
If the test is worth anything at all it should say Nigerian(given that you are of PURE orgins) unless of course you have some Ghanian blood or someone else's and then the dna test might tell your your "ancestors" where from someother country................
I've also reasoned that if 1/2 of all slaves sold during this period went to Brazil, and Brazilian's African hertiage is prodomentily from Angloa(maybe the Congo as well) then that is probably the most abundant African bloodline OUTSIDE of Africa. I also read about 1 in 4 of the Africans who made it to the USA were also of Angloan hertiage. But who knows.................I think Ghana and Nigeria get named alot because they have been in the news lately offering passports to "disporians" rather than actually blood linkage!
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Posted: Saturday May 12th, 2007 23:13 |
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girlfromthenc,
Isn’t that the crux of the matter? I am from a Nigerian ethnic group and actually, my family does have record stretching back several generations in Nigeria but it could be argued such are not scientifically verifiable. For instance, if I did commission a test just to ascertain the accuracy of these DNA genealogy tests by not stating my ethnic origin in the first instance and if test result claims some ancestry for me in another part of Africa or on Mars, I would be obliged to accept the result because none of us can say for certain what lies hidden in our gene pool. We’re most of us not scientists.
Doesn’t this make such tests prime weapons for deception? There most be some philosophical name for this sort of thing - Paradox isn’t the name. I mean something that is made difficult if not impossible to challenge because one does note have the label or title that permits one to make the challenge even if in reasonable doubt. This is like, Science as ultimate weapons of tyranny…in the past even the plebs when faced with a situation of dispute with those in power and in charge of all the “facts�, still stood a chance. But how does one challenge the scientific “facts� of tomorrow when they threaten civil liberty.
Anyway, do not want to dwell on such things because it goes in too many questioning directions - convictions based on DNA samplings for instance…
My original thought, and this is from a nonprofessional’s point of view, is that these test are probably very nearly worthless and people should not waste money on them.
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Posted: Saturday May 12th, 2007 23:20 |
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FireStarter wrote: girlfromthenc,
Isn’t that the crux of the matter? I am from a Nigerian ethnic group and actually, my family does have record stretching back several generations in Nigeria but it could be argued such are not scientifically verifiable. For instance, if I did commission a test just to ascertain the accuracy of these DNA genealogy tests by not stating my ethnic origin in the first instance and if test result claims some ancestry for me in another part of Africa or on Mars, I would be obliged to accept the result because none of us can say for certain what lies hidden in our gene pool. We’re most of us not scientists.
Doesn’t this make such tests prime weapons for deception? There most be some philosophical name for this sort of thing - Paradox isn’t the name. I mean something that is made difficult if not impossible to challenge because one does not have the label or title that permits one to make the challenge even if in reasonable doubt. This is like, Science as ultimate weapons of tyranny…in the past even the plebs when faced with a situation of dispute with those in power and in charge of all the “facts�, still stood a chance. But how does one challenge the scientific “facts� of tomorrow when they threaten civil liberty.
Anyway, do not want to dwell on such things because it goes in too many questioning directions - convictions based on DNA samplings for instance…
My original thought, and this is from a nonprofessional’s point of view, is that these test are probably very nearly worthless and people should not waste money on them.
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