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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 18:18 |
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http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/view_topic.php?id=26547&forum_id=37&jump_to=399557
thankyou for the articles, it was a very goiod read, however i do have some questions in which i am having a difficult time finding the answer to....
At which point in history did the enslavement of black africans become the standard norm within the Arab World and much of the near east?
I know that occording to several Islamic sources, Bilal was the first convert and a freed African slave. This was around 610-620 a.d. Even after the revelation of the Quran for Muslims...slavery spand the Umayad, Abbasid, and the Ottoman Empire....black slavery has existed in Arabia for well over a millennium...in fact slavery was not officially banned in Saudi Arabia until the 1960s...
When did this white superiority complex begin to emerge within the Arab World? When did this form of selective breeding begin to take place?
Just like in India, you had a mixed race group of people practice a form of selective breeding for over a 1000 years....favoring the white skin and light eyed......many arabs to this day have a very very curly/kinky hair ( a sign of African genetics) and pale white skin. Why? and When this begin to occur? Ask any arab from Najd tribe...of Riyadh and many will tell you that Arabs are naturally white skinned and favour their European counterparts. (I think the same thing could be said about North Africa especially and the Levant)
White skin and European chracteristics are favoured heavily by the Arab. Why then so many Black African women have a been raped, mutilated and enslaved by Arab masters? Even to this day, Black African women come to Saudi Arabia and Yemen as immigrants looking for work and many times get kidnapped and sold into slavery and prostitution. Prostitution in Saudi seems to primarily consist of AFRICAN women. Its a huge human rights issue right now and it is my hope that more of this will come into light...
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 20:04 |
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Assalaam Alaikum
Your source of information is somewhat flawed and reflects more of the same negative sentiment and misinformation.
Bilal is NOT mentioned in the Quran. The ONLY account of Bilal being a African slave is from hearsay racist accounts written 100's of years AFTER Muhammed.
Written by the same people who say Muhammed was white.....
Again I have shown the origin, lineage and geographic development of 'Arabs', which has NOTHING to do with what you posted.
Example...Saudi Arabia is a Monarchy established upon nepotism, as was the Ummayyads, Abbassids and others. Has NOTHING to do with Al Islam or who is 'white' or 'black' Arab.
Its no different than the Nation of Islam when you see Farrakhan preaching from the Bible and NOTHING from the Quran. Just using the 'Islam' as a label or monikor
A very important point, NOT all 'Arabs' are Muslim as are NOT all Muslims 'Arab'
Muhammed was from the lineage of Hashim BLACK as night...ALL Black...Father...BLACK...Muhammed's Wives..BLACK..Uncles...Black...Grandfather...Black...Cousins...Black...Koresh...Black
Which 'Arabs' enslaved and forced the indigenous populations of Africans into slavery and Al Islam?
Arab al-‘Aribah the Southern Arab?
Who are Yemenese, Somalians, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Nubians
Arab al-Musta’ribah the Northern Arab?
Who are Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region
Where can we find these enslaved Africans speaking the language of their enslavers? (what country?)
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 20:40 |
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Two points about Bilal:
1) He is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran.
2) He was never freed from slavery. He waited on Mohammed hand and foot until the day Mohammed died. He never was allowed to return to his people or have a family of his own.
Also, I did not know about the prostitution situation in Saudi. Is this from current events or do you mean historically?
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 20:52 |
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 21:42 |
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MuslimTruthRevealed wrote: Assalaam Alaikum
Your source of information is somewhat flawed and reflects more of the same negative sentiment and misinformation.
Bilal is NOT mentioned in the Quran. The ONLY account of Bilal being a African slave is from hearsay racist accounts written 100's of years AFTER Muhammed.
Written by the same people who say Muhammed was white.....
Again I have shown the origin, lineage and geographic development of 'Arabs', which has NOTHING to do with what you posted.
Example...Saudi Arabia is a Monarchy established upon nepotism, as was the Ummayyads, Abbassids and others. Has NOTHING to do with Al Islam or who is 'white' or 'black' Arab.
Its no different than the Nation of Islam when you see Farrakhan preaching from the Bible and NOTHING from the Quran. Just using the 'Islam' as a label or monikor
A very important point, NOT all 'Arabs' are Muslim as are NOT all Muslims 'Arab'
Muhammed was from the lineage of Hashim BLACK as night...ALL Black...Father...BLACK...Muhammed's Wives..BLACK..Uncles...Black...Grandfather...Black...Cousins...Black...Koresh...Black
Which 'Arabs' enslaved and forced the indigenous populations of Africans into slavery and Al Islam?
Arab al-‘Aribah the Southern Arab?
Who are Yemenese, Somalians, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Nubians
Arab al-Musta’ribah the Northern Arab?
Who are Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region
Where can we find these enslaved Africans speaking the language of their enslavers? (what country?)
but that is not my point....
i agree that there is a difference between the arabized arab and the true original arabs....
but the fact is...the "Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region"...decided to enslave Africans by the masses and bring them back into their colonized territory....
my question is, when this this begin? and why? and why were black women being used as breeders?
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 21:43 |
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 21:43 |
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 21:53 |
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HatHaruhotep wrote: Two points about Bilal:
1) He is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran.
2) He was never freed from slavery. He waited on Mohammed hand and foot until the day Mohammed died. He never was allowed to return to his people or have a family of his own.
Also, I did not know about the prostitution situation in Saudi. Is this from current events or do you mean historically?
well both...i would honestly like more information about the historical apsects...
like in Mauritania...africans are still being enslaved by berber "white arabs"...
i do have some links..ill post some when i find...
but it is well knowned that many housekeepers and housemaids are abused and raped in many arab countries...many of the domestic help comes from south east asia....
but there are also women from east africa..many somalians and ethiopians that came to the gulf looking for better job prospects..only to be sold into the sex slave trade
i was on a forum..they even were warning African women not to travel to the gulf looking for nursing positions unless they recieve credible information about the legitmacy of the job offer because it could be a scam...u could risk being sold into prostitution
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Posted: Wednesday April 11th, 2007 22:04 |
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Prostitution in the Gulf
English language Saudi Newspaper
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=63335&d=7&m=5&y=2005
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=93666&d=15&m=3&y=2007
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Posted: Thursday April 12th, 2007 00:38 |
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Chaeldeans, Iraqis and Syrians were ALL Black!
Now more importantly, where is the history that supports this statement.....
"Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region"...decided to enslave Africans by the masses and bring them back into their colonized territory...."
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Posted: Saturday April 21st, 2007 18:51 |
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Muslimtruthrevealed wrote:
Chaeldeans, Iraqis and Syrians were ALL Black!
Now more importantly, where is the history that supports this statement.....
You might try: http://www.realhistoryww.com
Look in Sumer, Canaan and Elam.
For the origin of these people who call themselves Arabs, Egyptians, Berbers, Jews, etc. Look in the end of the Anatolia section.
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Posted: Saturday April 21st, 2007 22:37 |
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Assalaam Alaikum Peace & Blessings
Jim the question was related to this statement
""Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region"...decided to enslave Africans by the masses and bring them back into their colonized territory...."
Where is the historical evidence to support such a statement? (prefer something other than a website link)
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@Aliyah, It has been a long time since a read the about the interaction and presence of "black people" in the Arab region. Thus, some of my information might incorrect. But this is what i remember:
1. The original inhabitants of the Southern Arabian peninsula are the Black Arabs. These include the ; Seba, Hadramut, Sabeans and various other civilizations. You will still find African looking people in Oman and Yemen whom speak the most ancient Southern Arabian Semetic languages. Examples are the Mehra tribe.My understanding is that All Arabs trace their roots to the Qhahtani ancient Arabs.
2. At some point nomadic asiatic looking people settled in the Hijaz( Mecca area) region. These people brought racism into arabic culture, although they themselves have some black ancestry down the line. There are apparently some ancient oral traditions which glorify the triumph over the Asiatic Northern Arabs over the Southern Black Arabs.
3. Also bear in mind a large swathe of Southern Arabia region was conquered by Abraha the Abysnian as a response persecution of his fellow Christians by Jews.
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Quote:The pre-Islamic and early-Islamic era
Black Africans had been coming to West Asia as slaves since the pre-Islamic era. Slaves served as household servants, soldiers and concubines. Three famous pre-Islamic Arab poets - Antar, Khufaf, and Sulayk - were born of Arab fathers and African mothers.
Besides coming to Asia as slaves, black Africans also arrived as conquerors. In the 2nd century, and again in the 4th, Ethiopian armies entered Southern Arabia. The 4th century occupation lasted from 335 AD to 370 AD. Ethiopia invaded Yemen again in 524 AD. In 532, Abraha, one of the Ethiopian generals who led the invasion, seized the South Arabian throne with support from Ethiopian soldiers who wanted to settle in Yemen. Abraha's reign passed to his sons by a Yemeni woman.
At the time of the prophet Mohammed, Mecca relied on a mercenary army of Ethiopians, other sub-Saharan Africans, and Arab nomads to protect its caravan routes and provide escort for the city's prominent families.1
Among Mohammed's companions were many sub-Saharan Africans. Umm (mother) Ayman Baraka, a freed black slave, nursed the Prophet in his childhood. He was later accompanied by Bilal b. Rabah, an Ethiopian slave who became the first Muslim mu'adhdhin (one who calls to prayer). Another early Muslim convert, 'Ammar ibn Yassir, son of an black slave woman Sumayya, accompanied the prophet on all his military campaigns. The title of Faris-al-Islam (knight of Islam) was given to a black convert al- Mikdad b Amr al-Aswad, the only Muslim who fought on horseback during the battle of Badr. Many other African men and women who accompanied Mohammed's family supported the prophet's work and transmitted his teachings.2
3. In the prehistoric Islamic times there were a bunch of Black poets, who were called the " Crows" and were severly chastised for their black skin. Sometimes they would make defensive poems glorifying their black skin. The most notable and probably the most reverred Arab poet being, Antarra Ibn Shadad:
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Antara ibn-Shaddad al Absi - Antara (c.525-615) , was one of the seven great pre-Islamic Arab poets, author of the Divan. His father was King Shaddad of the Banu Abs, a Bedouin chief. His mother was Zabiba, an Ethiopian slave. The Bedouin did not acknowledge the paternity of the children they had with slaves. According to legend, Antara bargained with his father for Antara's freedom and Shaddad's recognition in return for the defeat of his tribe's enemies. Antar returned victorious from battle and was acknowledged as a noble, as befitted his paternity. He then married his free cousin Abla, to whom he had dedicated much of his poetry.
Antara (also romanized as 'Antar or Antarah) captured the Arab imagination and became the subject of much literature, including the famed Romance of Antar. The folk hero is still the subject of Arab storytellers today.
Khufaf ibn Nadba - Khufaf was a famous Arab poet from the pre-Islamic era. He was born to an Arab father of the Banu Sulaym and a black African slave mother named Nadba. During the Prophet's triumphal entry into Mecca, Khufaf bore the standard of his tribe.1
Sulayk ibn al-Sulaka - Also known as Ta'abbata Sharran, he is another famous Arab poet from the pre-Islamic era. He was born to an Arab father of the tribe of Fahm and a black African mother. Antar, Khufaf, Sulayk are known collectively as the Crows of the Arabs ('Aghribat al-'Arab) because of the dark complexion they inherited from their mothers.2
Prince Ibrahim ibn al-Mahdi - His father was the 3rd Abbassid Caliph al-Mahdi, who reigned in the 8th century. His mother was a black African.3
Caliph Al-Muktafi - He was a 12th century Abbassid Caliph. His mother was Nubian.
The problem is that some African people see a black person in the Arabian peninsula and they will think he is their as a result of a slavery. Also there is the perception of Arab being represented by fair skin, which is another misconception. Although there is a great deal of glorification of having fair skin.........as opposed to black skin......
Al Jahiz the well know Islamic scholar, philosopher and poet responded to growing racsim against black people in the Arab/Muslim world, in his famous book:
Quote:Book of the Glory of the Black race translated by : Vincent J. Cornell
[size=The Zanj say to the Arabs: You are so ignorant that during the jahiliyya (the times of ignorance ) you regarded us as your equals when it came to marrying Arab women, but with the advent of the justice of Islam you decided this practice was bad. Yet the desert is full of Zanj married to Arab wives, and they have been princes and kings and have safeguarded your rights and sheltered you against your enemies.][size=
You even have sayings in your language which vaunt the deeds of our kings--deeds which you often placed above your own; this you would not have done had you not considered them superior to your own.
Al Namr ibn Tawlab recited the following poem:
Bad luck came over his rule as over Tubba
And the great king Abraha, placed him higher then the princes of his own country.
Labid ibn Radi'a recited the following:
If a person could reach eternity during his lifetime, Abu Yaksum would be among those.
This kind of virtue has never been ascribed to anyone before.
The (Zanj) also say: from Labid's verses it becomes also clear that you put our kings higher then your own.
Darkness came over those who survived from Muharriq's family.
Darkness that had done its work with Tubba and Heraclius,
Darkness that had vanquished Abraha, who was living in the palace of Mawkal.
So he prefers Abraha , but he would like the other kings to be his equals.
The (Zanj) say : The Ethiopian, Akym ibn Akym, was more eloquent than Eli-Ajjaj. It is from him that the Syrians learnt the sciences and also from El Montagi ibn Nabhan, who was a native of Negroland and had a pierced ear. He had come to the Arabian desert as a child and left it with a complete knowledge of Arabic.
Hakim ibn Ayash al Kalbi said:
Don't feel pride in the maternal uncle from the Asad tribe;
Because even the Zanj and Nubians are more noble to have as uncles then they.
Akym ibn Akym the Abyssinian made the following response:
On the day of the battle of Ghumdun we were like lions and on the day of Yathrib we were the stallions of the Arabs. On the fearful day of the elephant the hearts of the Arabs deserted them and they fled on their camels.
The negus is one of us; and Dhul Aqsayn is your brother in law. The grandfather of Abraha, the protector of Abu Talib was one of us.
I have to forgive Adnan if he makes fun with us ; because what can be said of the genealogy of the Himyari? They are muleteers, assembled from everywhere, gathered as a net gathers fish in the stormy sea.]
[size=Gumdan, a fortress, ordinary the residence of the king - then Persian - who reigned on Yemen. When Abyssinians seized Yemen, they let remain only of the ruins which 'Utman b. 'Affan - That Allah satisfied with him! - destroyed at the time of the coming of Islam, while saying: “It is necessary to extirpate the vestiges of the gahiliya (the false prophet)�. The fortress comprised a cistern, capped by an asbestos roof, of which Halaf Al 'Ahmar said;
And an asbestos cistern, which demolished
By the attacking Abyssinian, and his king.
About it, Qudama, the wise of the Moslem East and Master in alchemy, has said (Tawil); He lit its fire there; nevertheless fire
Would last indefinitely, the cistern does not disappear,
Because asbestos, even if a fire burned there thousand years, would not heat. Those which launch the naphtha coat themselves with some, when they want to penetrate into the fire.
Labid says (Wafir);
O friendly, do you not see a flash illuminating the black night,
Like the flame on the wick of the lamp?
I could not find the sleep, while the flash moved away towards Nagd in the motionless night,
And when the companions were held dormant on their saddles of wood.
Its shoddy cloud illuminated the heavy clouds and there cut out silhouettes of Abyssinians, Armed with small swaths and javelins.]
[size="Labid," he says, "used this imagery because when the Ethiopians, splendid in the blackness of their skins and in the vigor and strength of their superb bodies, attacked with their spears, bows, and arrows they spread an unimaginable terror around them."
When Ukaym says : On the day of Yathrib we were the stallions of the Arabs.
It is a reference to Musrif ibn Uqba al Murri the general who gave the conquered city (Medina) over to the troops for pillage and the Negroes cohabited with the captured women, which are mentioned in the following verses of Mudar;
Ask Musrif El Mwirri the general in question about the morning when he gave the captured virgins over to his weather-beaten Negro soldiers. On this occasion the Zanj fought you, Whites, in spite of your rage. Wahrig defended you with his Persians, whilst the Ethiopian general commanded in the midst of destruction. It was then the women of your race were enjoyed by a Negro, whose phallus was the size of a donkey's.
When the poet says:
They are muleteers, assembled from everywhere, gathered as a net gathers fish in the stormy sea.
He here accepted what story tellers say about Himyar.-That they used to be muleteers.
The Negroes can also be proud of the fact that the single dead person over whom the Prophet ever prayed was their ruler, the Emperor of Ethiopia.]
[size=He prayed for the Negus, while the Prophet was in Medina, and the tomb of the Negus in Abyssinia.
And also: “the Negus is who gave in marriage to the Prophet - That blessing and the safety of Allah be on him! - 'Umm Habiba, girl of Abu Sufyan: he asked Halid b. Sa' id to be the tutor of 'Umm Habiba, offering in the name of the Prophet - How the blessing and the safety of Allah are on him! - a dowry of four hundred dinars.
][size=And also: we made you three presents: the civet, the most sweet perfume, most exquisite and noblest; the litter; it is the best defense for the women and best protection for what is sacred for man; the codex: it preserves best its contents and ensure best preservation; it is splendid and most handy. ][size=
And also: we inspire the most fear in the heart and catch most of the glances (of the onlookers), just as the carriers of black (Abbasid) inspire more fear and fill up more the heart than the carriers of white (Umayyad), in the same way the night inspires more fear than the day.
And also: the color black always inspires the most fear. The Arabs, to describe their camels, say: “the black horses are most beautiful and most robust, the black cows best and most beautiful, and their skins are most valuable, most useful and most durable. The black ewes give the fattiest milk and creamy, moreover the dark brown ewes give more milk then the russet-red ewes�. while every stone and hill is dryer and harder the more it is black.]
[size=The black lion is invincible.
The black date is the highest quality. Healthy date palms have black stems.
A hadith of the Prophet says : Follow the great black color.
The poet al-Ansari says:
I'm in debt but I do not have to worry;
Because I own tall date groves, well pruned.
And every heavy laden palm seems to have been smeared with the pitch of blood of sacrificed animals.
The Zanj say that the best green is the darkest green. God, may he be exalted said: And besides these there are two gardens. When describing them so as to make people long for them God called them dark green. Ibn Abbas said : they became dark green through irrigation.
Black ebony is the most solid and most durable of woods. It s also most expensive , free of disease, best fit for art-work. It is so heavy that of all woods expensive and cheap ones only ebony sinks in the water. Remember that even certain stones do not sink while ebony sinks immediately.
A person remains handsome as long as his hair is still black and in paradise everyone will have black hair. The
pupils of the eye, too are black and are they not the most precious part of the human body. The most expensive kohl is made of antimony which is black. This is why a hadith of the Prophet states that God will have all the faithful enter paradise hairless (on their body) beardless, and their eyes blackened with kohl.]
[size=Man doesn’t have anything more useful in him than his liver, which ensures the good operation of the stomach and the digestion of food and the good functioning of the unit maintains the life of the body; however, the liver is black.
Man does not have anything more valuable, more expensive in him than the black bile of his heart, a clot of black blood situated in the folds of this internal organ; it holds in this heart the same place as the brain in the head.
The woman does not have anything sweeter and more pleasant than her lips, for the kiss; however, they are all the more beautiful as they are as close to the black as possible. Du r-Rumma says (Basit):
Sunk are its lips blood-colored and purple,
Of the same are her gums, fine and bright her teeth.
The most pleasant shade and freshest is the shade [well] black. The poet says (Ragaz): Jet black, similar to the shade projected by the stone.
Humaid b. Tawr says (Tawil):
We sought the shade of a cave, while our mounts
Sought the wood shade shaded on which would fall the evening,
Trees in the major shades, like
Ascetic nuns, who prohibit the wine.
Allah created, the night for the rest and recovery, and the day for the profit and the labor.]
[size=One can also say that black is associated with activity as scorpions and snakes come out at night and bring their poison into the night. This activity counts for most wild animals and also ghosts. All this happens during the night. The blacks say; we also resemble the night like this.
They also say : the greatest of siestas that last the longest is in the darkness of the closed door and windows. They also say : no color is deeper and homogeneous then black.
A proverb to say that something is very far :
You will not see this until tar becomes white and the raven gray-haired.
According to the philosophers, black is the accident that fills the area.
Musk and amber are the best perfumes. Both are black; as are the hardest rock. Abu Daddil al-Jumahi said the following lines in praise of al Azzaq al Makhzumi who was called Abd Allah ibn Abd Shams ibn al Mughira. :
My gratefulness to you is boundless;
As long as there are rocks in the valley of the Lebanon
You will be the object of praise and precious in value.
Just as there is no fault in the Black Stone.]
[size=The Arabs draw glory from the black color. If an objector advances; “On what is that based, as they say: Such is of a pure white, bursting of whiteness, white and of clear face? We will answer: By this, the Arabs do not mean the whiteness of the skin, but rather the nobility and purity of character. The Hudr (of Banu) Muharib draw glory from their dark color, and people with the black dye are called among Arabs the hudr. As-Sammah b. Dirar says (Tawil):
The camels leave in the evening Zarud, and [the setting sun] covered
Zubala with the coat of the night.
The poet says (Ragaz);
Until the moment when the morning draws me from a dark night,
Like the valiant knight who takes from the sleeve the well soaked sword.
The Arabs qualify the iron as dark, because it is hard, and that it is dark means black.
Al-Harit b. Hilliza says (Munsarih):
When we force our camels from the branches of palm tree of Bahrain,
A race not stopped until Al-Hisau retains them.
We then put to defeat the troop of the son of Umm Qatam,
The ones with the dark weapons of Persia.]
[size=Al-Muharibi said the following about his being a member of the Khudr clan.
Every man of virtue knows I'm a member of the Khudr clan of the tribe of Qays.
Not easily to command; not enduring any injustice, and mentally sharp.
The clan of Mughira are the Khudr of the tribe of Makhzum .
Al Makhzumi spoke the following lines, which were also from al-Fadl ibn al-Abbas al Lihbi:
I am the famous Al Akhdar, very well known
The dark one in the land of the Arabs.
Those finding me in a contest as adversary, find a noble man.
The one who fills the bucket to the knot in the rope.
The Khudr of the Ghassan tribe are the royal house of Jafna. Al Ghassani said:
According to Al Hakam I'm a descendent from the royal Khudr.
Of those who paid the blood money to those of Baris.
Some poet; maybe Hassan mentions the Khudr of the Ukaym tribe; saying;
You are not from the nobles of the clan Hashim, neither from the Jumah, Khudri, and the other powerful.
The ten sons of Abd el Mottalib the grandfather of Mohammed were all black and strong. The Amir ibn al Tufayl said that the Kaba was well guarded when he saw them on black camels going around the Kaba.
Ibn Abbas was black and very tall. Those of Abu Talib's family , who are the most noble of men, are more or less black.
The Zanj say: The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: I was send to the red and the black. And everybody knows that the Zanj, Abyssinians and Nubians or surely not white or red but definitely black.
We know that Allah, the Most Powerful and Exalted, sent His Prophet (to the people), all of them: Arabs and non-Arabs (ajam) alike. And if he (Muhammad) said: I was sent to the ruddy (Al-ahmar) and the dark-skinned (al-aswad), then in his view we are neither ruddy nor light-skinned (bid); so he was sent to us. Indeed, his use of the dark-skinned refers to us, as the people (of our community) are in one of these categories (i.e. either ruddy or dark-skinned). Therefore, if the Arabs are ruddy, then they belong to the Byzantines (Rum), Slaves (Saqaliba), Persians and Khurasanis. But if they belong to the dark-skinned peoples, then they are a sub-category of our stock. So they are called medium-complexioned and brownish-black (sumr sud) when they are classified with us, as the Arabs use the masculine gender to refer to a group consisting of females and males.
And if the Prophet – may Allah be pleased with him – knew that the Zanj, Ethiopians and Nubians were not ruddy or light-skinned, rather dark-skinned, and that Allah Most High sent him to the dark-skinned and the ruddy, then surely he made us and the Arabs equals. Hence, we are the only dark-skinned people. If the appellation dark-skinned applies to us, then we are the pure Sudan, and the Arabs only resemble us. Therefore we are the first people to whom he was missioned. Thus the appellation of the Arabs is predicated on ours, since we alone are designated dark-skinned, and they are not so designated unless they are part of us.
The Zanj also say: The Arabs think that the more people the better but we are the most numerous on this world, and have the most children. You can say there are two kinds of people among us (among the Zanj) the ants and the dogs. Trying to measure the amount of Arabs with the amount of ants you will see the ants are more numerous. Well then still add the dogs to that amount. You really have to add on the people of Abyssinia, Nubia, Fazzan, Marawa, Zaghawa and all the other black tribes.
Qahtan is far from Adman. We are closer kin to the Abyssinians and our mothers are closer kin then those of Adnan are to Qahtan. When talking about languages the one from Ajuz of the Hawazin tribe is very different. Languages can be very different but still have the same origin; or have different origins but resemble each other anyhow. The language in the different regions of Khurasan differ as well as those of Jibal and Faris it all depends on the region but they have the same origin.]
[size=They say: You have never seen the genuine Zanj. You have only seen captives who came from the coasts and forests and valleys of Qanbuluh, from our menials, our lower orders, and our slaves. The people of Qanbaluh have neither beauty nor intelligence. Qanbaluh is the name of the place by which your ships anchor.]
[size=The natives in the Bilad Zanj are in both Qambalu (Pemba) and Lunjuya (Unguja), just as Arabs are the descendants of Adnan and Qahtan in the Middle East.
You have yet to see a member of the Langawiya kind, either from the coast (al-Sawahil), or from the interior (al-Jouf). If you would meet these, you would forget the issue of fair looks and perfection. Now if you refuse to believe this, saying that you have yet to meet a Zanji with the brains even of a boy or a woman, we would reply to you, have you ever met among the enslaved of India and Sindh individuals with brains, education, culture and manners so as to expect these same qualities in what has fallen to you from among the Zanj.]
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Posted: Monday April 23rd, 2007 02:19 |
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Assalaam Alaikum
Jim and Last African I read your posts thoroughly and found some glaringly obvious issues.
Jim your reference to 'Anatolia' as indicative of the ORIGIN of Arabs was quite interesting. Considering that 'Anatolia' is a Greek 'Revisionist' term to Asia Minor and geographically identifies Turkish North Africa.
Turks are NOT Semetic or Arabs
Last African, Im not sure what relevance your information suggests. Black African Poets and Poetry of the 9-11 centuries was NOT the context of the question. In addition the author you mentioned has some 'Orientalist' historical statments in reference to 'sub-stock' referring to the dark skinned Arabs and a number of other 'racist' terms and references.
But was very informative, he basicllay translated and rewrote Uthman Jahiz work in his own words and references, using words like 'Negro" and this statement "the women of your race were enjoyed by a Negro, whose phallus was the size of a donkey's".
Thus Im confused as to the relevance of that informative but irrelevant post.
Which 'Arabs' enslaved and forced the indigenous populations of Africans into slavery and Al Islam?
Arab al-‘Aribah the Southern Arab?
Who are Yemenese, Somalians, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Nubians
Arab al-Musta’ribah the Northern Arab?
Who are Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region
"Chaeldeans/Iraqi's, Syrians and others of the Gulf Region"...decided to enslave Africans by the masses and bring them back into their colonized territory...."
Where can we find these enslaved Africans speaking the language of their enslavers? (what country?)
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Posted: Monday April 23rd, 2007 15:47 |
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Muslimtruthrevealed;
I did not intend to respond further, because by your dismissal of the web as a source of knowledge, you implied that you were quite content with what you knew. Plus you clarified that your issue was slavery and I know next to nothing about the issue of modern African slavery.
But now that you have solicited a response, let me run some things past you. You may not be aware of it, but the web is our best hope of gaining knowledge and understanding of the world, past and present: and ourselves. Through the web, we gain access to much of the ancient writings and histories of Black people, even though we are not told that they are Black. All of the world’s museums provide some access to their collections. The Encyclopedia Britannica is on the web – though you do have to pay for full access. Wikipedia is a fraud; use it at your own risk. To summarize, just about every source of information in the west – and other places, has a presence on the web. Yes, you do have to filter out the nonsense and racist trash, but when you are on the bottom, you have to work harder.
The web also provides a dissemination point for those who wish to debunk the lies of the White establishment, the Realhistoryww site is the best of these – they offer authentic artifacts to make their points: and verifiable history – but there are others. In case you don’t know, White publishers are not about to publish material that proves that they are not what they told you they are, that’s why the web is so important.
I have often been mystified by the propensity of young Blacks to accept and then spread; outlandish theories and assertions – of Whites and Blacks, rather that doing the reading and research necessary to uncover the truth for themselves. Here in the west: it’s a running joke, if you want to cheat a Black man, put it in writing – He won’t read it! Must be some truth in that.
Case in point: if you had taken the trouble to put “Anatolia� in your search engine, you would have found that it referrers to ancient Turkey – and I did not say that it is the origin of Arabs: I said that information about the origin of those who call themselves Arab could be found there. To save you the trouble: Sumer referrers to Iraq, Canaan referrers to Palestine-Israel-Lebanon, Elam referrers to Iran. Together with Egypt, they comprise mans first civilizations – and contrary to what you were taught – they were Black. I suggested the Realhistoryww site because it explains how everything happened – and provides pictures of artifacts to go with it. Some find it difficult to envision an ancient world so different than the world today.
Lastly: “Turks are NOT Semetic or Arabs� Man do you have a lot of reading to do!
Hint: Start with the Arab invasion of Egypt, many surprises there.
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Posted: Monday April 23rd, 2007 21:28 |
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Jim,
Not to belabour the point, but what does 'white' people have to do with the questions I posed?
Again your using terms that suggest that the historical references and labels you use are indicative of distinct and specific points of view of "HIS-story".
We have already established that the ORIGINAL Arabs were 'black' and their lineage can be traced to Nubia and even further.
For example you mention 'Egypt' which is a Greek term, there were civilisations 1000,000's of years BEFORE the Greek interpretation of 'Agiyptos'.
Websites do NOT suggest that the content of a particular website is without criticism and represents a correct and 'impartial' view upon history, just because its a website.
Some websites display and reference Orientalist views upon history some represent a 'Revisionist' view upon history. Those views display and represent a specific 'mindset' of its authors and researchers, which ranges from blatant racism, lies misinterpretation, to just plain writing people out of the human experience.
Lastly, Sumer and Sumerians are NOT Semetic of origin or language anyway, so what is the relevance of mentioning 'Sumer' in relationship to the origin of Arabs?
Reference:http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Sumer
Again in the case of 'Elam' which is a Biblical designation, which has NOTHING to do with the origin and lineage of Arabs.
Reference: http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Elam
Just to respond....
" Lastly: “Turks are NOT Semetic or Arabs� Man do you have a lot of reading to do!
Hint: Start with the Arab invasion of Egypt, many surprises there."
 The Arab al-‘Aribah the Southern Arab ORIGINATES from Nubia, so what 'Arabs' invaded 'Egypt' (which denotes Greek invasion) and When?
The following are 3 Original Nubian tribes that still exist today in Nubia/Kemet/Egypt: Fageka, Kenouz and Maatukii by the way they are Muslims, they worship Allah.
They EXISTED BEFORE the Dynastic period and into the Dynastic periods. The following are the 'Nubian' dynasties 17th -19th, 26th,27th, 4th and 3rd and 'Allah' is a diety of worship in these dynasties also.
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Posted: Monday April 23rd, 2007 23:22 |
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The problem here, is that the ill informed will think that you know what you are talking about. http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Elam - you gotta be kidding.
You could at least have put a LITTLE though and effort into it. SHAME!!!
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[Al-Anbiya' 21.18] No, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood does perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things you ascribe (to Us).
[Saba' 34.49] Say. "The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything."
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