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Shemsi en Tehuti
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Posted: Monday February 5th, 2007 21:02 |
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Reading about Garvey, he wanted to liberate Africa, which was certainly courageous and noble in ambition. At the same time, he saw himself as the leader of liberated African nations.
Do Continental Africans generally view Marcus Mosiah Garvey:
- as pretentious in his self-elevation as a Global African leader to include the Continent, therefore rejected in this manner?
- as respected for his ideas, however, dismissed as a viable leader for liberated African nations?
- as a fully embraced Global African leader to include the Continent?
- not worthy of serious attention, therefore an object of scorn or simply ignored?
There could be other outcomes here, and I know that there isn't going to be some uniform view Continental.
How Do Continental Africans Feel About ***Marcus Mosiah Garvey*** ?
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Posted: Wednesday February 7th, 2007 12:47 |
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| Very good question...ANYONE?
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 13:03 |
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| I don't think many continentals who haven't taken time to study the life and history of diasporans know a lot about him and if they do, I don't feel they see him as their leader.
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 14:07 |
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Ditto S.bu.
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 14:33 |
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very very interesting subject, but worth noting that for all his travels around
the world.he never actually went to africa if i remember rightly which to me
is extremly telling.
i generally find the mentality of diasporian leaders to africa 'very interesting'
i see the same thing with current grass roots wannabe leaders.
and no the overwhelming majority have never heard of him, just like
in jamaica despite popular misconceptions.
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 16:01 |
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Alot don't know who he is.
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 17:20 |
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Russengo wrote: I don't think many continentals who haven't taken time to study the life and history of diasporans know a lot about him and if they do, I don't feel they see him as their leader.
I can't speak for other communities. But in my own in Chicago, there is no discussion about African-American History without mentioning Marcus Mosiah Garvey. He was the first leader of note, to remind us we were Africans.
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Posted: Monday April 30th, 2007 21:19 |
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| It wouldn't suprise me if most Continental Africans didn't know who Garvey was, or particularly relate to his message, even if they did know. As was already mentioned, Garvey's message didn't even resonate in his is OWN native country of Jamaica, while he was around,(and mainly only with the Rastafarians thereafter). The ONLY place that it did reasonate in any major way, from the get-go, was America, and that' s because the particular brand of racism that was practiced in AMerica(thorough/all encompassing/ largely uniform), made AA's perfectly suited to at least fundamentally understand/accept his RACE first/Africa for the Africans, view/stance,(even if they didn't agree with the remedy) . MOst of the other places in the world, where Black folks were at the bottom(which was everywhere that we were, he had intelligently peeped.....), had major Class/Tribal/Skin shade overtones, that on the surface, TRUMPED race,(at least in the minds of most of the Black people in those places) so it's like he was speaking Greek to them when he started talking about uniting around being "Black/African"; not so, in Amerikkka. Garvey understood and commented on this phenomenon in his writings. Last edited on Monday April 30th, 2007 21:20 by Gmahogany.
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Posted: Tuesday May 1st, 2007 11:49 |
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Never heard of the guy until recently. You got to remember that Pan-Africanism is not taught to Continental Africans. We don't care how whites treated Americans in the 60's. We have more pressing issues, like how our own govt treats us now.
Its funny but its true.
I think Pan-Africanism should be part of the curriculum in Africa.
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Posted: Tuesday May 1st, 2007 16:49 |
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| Know about Marcus Garvy, but then again, I was educated in Mugabe's Zimababwe. One thing I can not fault the man for, his government made sure that we were well read.
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Posted: Tuesday May 1st, 2007 21:17 |
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stick-upKid wrote: Never heard of the guy until recently. You got to remember that Pan-Africanism is not taught to Continental Africans. We don't care how whites treated Americans in the 60's. We have more pressing issues, like how our own govt treats us now.
Its funny but its true.
I think Pan-Africanism should be part of the curriculum in Africa.
I think Pan Africanism should be part of the curriculum in Africa, too. I think it should be taught WHEREVER there are sizeable numbers of Black folks. I think it would help set the foundation for working towards a fundamental cohesive identity of some kind, on the Continent, which is necessary to addressing European/American colonialism AND the corruption/abuse of African "leaders" towards their own "people",imo. The two things are very much connected, in my mind. It may have to be a big picture/long term goal for some time, and take a back seat to more pressing, short term concerns, but it definitely needs to be a part of the solution for there to be any prayer of success, I think.
When Garvey was young, and traveling throughout Central,South AMerica, the Carribean, and America,(he worked as printing press operator or something), he noticed that no matter he went, Black folks were at the BOTTOM of every society they were in, and catching hell, and that conversely White folks were living large and doing well, whereever they were, even when in predominantly Black/non white countries. It occured to him that this was not a coincidence and that since being Black/of African descent, seemed to be the BIGGEST determinant of how phucked up, one's life was going to be(for us), in a world dominated by white supremacy, we might as well put the other "differences" to the side, unite and make "being Black/African", work for us. Be united in success and prospering, getting off the bottom of the pile, rather than being united in perpetual poverty/mistreatment/downtroddeness, as we obviously all were, at that point.
It's the same intelligence/perception that made Malcolm say that in spite of being a Muslim, he wasn't going to allow himself to fall out/have beef with other Black folks over religion,or being members of certain clubs/organizations. As he eloquently noted and I'm paraphrasing, "We're not catching hell cause we're Muslim or Baptist, or Pentecostal, or because we're members of this or that organization, We're catching hell cause we're Negroes/Black." Both of them were smart enough to perceive that we were ALREADY unified, seen as a cohesive, INFERIOR collective(whether we wanted that or accepted it or not), by those who were running the world, WE just hadn't figured it out and adjusted accordingly,yet.
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Posted: Friday May 4th, 2007 12:36 |
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Posted: Monday May 7th, 2007 12:41 |
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Well, I for one have got respect for the guy and what he stood for. He spoke about blacks respecting themselves and freeing themselves of the mental shackes imposed upon them by wider society.
His cry for blacks all over the world to rally rogether made Americans so uncomfortable (as any such cries still do today) that they set the FBI on his trail.
A previous poster said that CA's do not care about the civil rights struggle of the '60s. That's not entirely true. There are those of us who do. Growing up among my own, it was the first time ever I understood that my peeps were not welcome elsewhere because of the colour of their skin. What affects one affects the other. Their struggle served as a very moving eye opener on the experience of blacks at the hands of the West. I know of others who feel the same.
(It's also said that Kwame Nkrumah named Ghana's fleet after Marcus Garvey's Black Star Enterprise in his honour.)
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Posted: Saturday June 2nd, 2007 17:47 |
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This is a good topic and some interesting views are expressed here. I have questions about how CA's see diasporans in general? Are "we" seen as inferior? Is there any scope for a back to Africa movement at this time? Does one exist?
I think there could be a great advantage to diasporans returning to various parts of Africa under the protection of an organisation recognised by governments, with the legal resources to help people who would undertake such a transition. It may be possible that the skills, knowledge and capital of diasporans could be utlilised within the countries in which they settle, to help build up Africa as a countinent, keeping black weath circulating within black hands, rather than letting it go to governments that generally operate on culturally, racially, military and econimically imperialist motives. I guess that could seem superficial because of the corruption in some African countries, but mobilising the power to do good, and concentrating it where it is needed may be the force Africa needs to drive out corruption so that people in general benefit rather than a minority.
I also wonder if there are any movements within Africa that support African nations trading between themselves instead of selling out to the western nations, especially where that relationship is based on exploitation? What I mean is does anyone know if in terms of resources needed for decent living, the African continet can "subsist" from its own resources without needing to but in from outsiders? Of course, I know that much of what Africa produces is sold onto the west, and they make huge profits on it, even dumping cargoes at sea to keep the market price high in the west, even though such cummodities could help some Africans who are in need.
I read recently about Cecil Rhodes on Wikipedia (note the stuff about De Beers too), and wonder why if the events detailed here are true that the Afircan governments involved do not do more to reverse who profits from the exploitation of diamonds which are their own natural resources?
Maybe some of the stuff I have written about here is off topic, I am sure Shemsi will let me know if it is, and I will start another thread.
Last edited on Saturday June 2nd, 2007 18:03 by ant
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