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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 17:59 |
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I've been doing some research on the diverse ethnic groups of Nigeria. And what has intrigued me most is the Igbo people of South Eastern Nigeria. Being a Nigerian-American I've actually been to Nigeria twice in my life time. I've notice a lot of Igbo people don't look like the stereotypical African at all and are indeed light skinned. Igbos are the most likely (out of all the other ethinic groups in Nigeria- Hausa/Fulani, Yoruba etc.) to resemble African-Americans.
Most of their complexions that I've seen while in Imo state, the heart of Igboland where my parents are from, range from reddish chocolate to very high yellow). My great grand mother is very light skinned, lighter than Alicia Keys in complexion, so when compared to our Yoruba and Hausa counterparts ( who are usually very dark in complexion, ie Wesley Snipes complexion) it makes me wonder why we are so light a as people. People don't know I'm Nigerian just by glance. I've had people actually say 'I didn't know u were African until you pronounced your last name, u don't look African'.
I've read that the Igbos and other minority ethnic groups of SS/SE Nigeria (ie. Calabar, Rivers) where some of the first Nigerians to come into contact with white explorers/colonizers. Some articles have even gone so far as to say that the light skinned attribute that Igbos have is due to admixture from the Portuguese and British. There is an article that spoke of Igbo women during the Early Modern Atlantic Time Period as being beautiful and desired by the white slavers/explorers/colonizers:
"Ironically, however, Igbo women had a surprisingly ‘good’ reputation. They were generally thought to be hard workers, industrious and diligent. And most significantly, Igbo women were the only Atlantic Africans whom white men generally saw as beautiful. In 1788 a major Bristol merchant trading to the West Indies wrote that, unlike females from the Gold Coast, “Eboe Women (from Bonny & New Calabar) are very fine and may be had.� As Captain Hugh Crow, who traded extensively at Bonny from 1791 to 1808 wrote of enslaved Igbo at the coast, “many of their women are of remarkably symmetrical shape, and if white, would in Europe be deemed beautiful.� A generation later (ca.1830), the Lander brothers, having come down the Niger from the north via Nupe, noted (and presumably in contrast to other Africans) that in riverain Igboland “the women are generally pretty.� A late-antebellum American (USA) evocation of this trope of the ‘very fine’ Igbo woman, a fictional “beautiful Eboe mulattress,� exists even in the novels of Harriet Beecher Stowe. Within this white male gaze, this burden of beauty, enslaved Igbo women and their immediate descendants resisted slavery in distinctive ways. As with Igbo in general one could enslave the bodies of Biafran women, but not their minds. And in the Black Atlantic, it seems that enslaved Igbo women used their own bodies at times as sites of resistance. This paper will explore a central ‘burden’ of Igbo female beauty; strategic reproduction."
Here's the hyperlink to the preceeding excerpt:
http://users.rowan.edu/~korieh/Abstracts.html
Does anyone have an inkling as to why Igbos are so fair in complexion, when compared to the Hausa/Fulani ,Yoruba, could admixture be a possibility, as with the African-Americans?
Please feel free to share your insights and knowledge on this topic. I hope I do not come off as ignorant, but I am very curious, confused, and in need of enlightenment.
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 18:57 |
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"Ironically, however, Igbo women had a surprisingly ‘good’ reputation. They were generally thought to be hard workers, industrious and diligent. And most significantly, Igbo women were the only Atlantic Africans whom white men generally saw as beautiful. In 1788 a major Bristol merchant trading to the West Indies wrote that, unlike females from the Gold Coast, “Eboe Women (from Bonny & New Calabar) are very fine and may be had.� As Captain Hugh Crow, who traded extensively at Bonny from 1791 to 1808 wrote of enslaved Igbo at the coast, “many of their women are of remarkably symmetrical shape, and if white, would in Europe be deemed beautiful.� A generation later (ca.1830), the Lander brothers, having come down the Niger from the north via Nupe, noted (and presumably in contrast to other Africans) that in riverain Igboland “the women are generally pretty.� A late-antebellum American (USA) evocation of this trope of the ‘very fine’ Igbo woman, a fictional “beautiful Eboe mulattress,� exists even in the novels of Harriet Beecher Stowe. Within this white male gaze, this burden of beauty, enslaved Igbo women and their immediate descendants resisted slavery in distinctive ways. As with Igbo in general one could enslave the bodies of Biafran women, but not their minds. And in the Black Atlantic, it seems that enslaved Igbo women used their own bodies at times as sites of resistance. This paper will explore a central ‘burden’ of Igbo female beauty; strategic reproduction."
With how bloody and cruel as the whole business of slavery was and is, I just dont understand how a white man can find the time to be so distinguishing in beauty with a certain African but not in the suffering caused to a great many.
The only distinction I would assume they know is which slave was more prone to rebellion. Which would be a loss to whatever profit venture they engage in. Maybe their own lives.
To me this quoted information just doesnt make sense.
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 19:06 |
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chilia87 wrote: Does anyone have an inkling as to why Igbos are so fair in complexion, when compared to the Hausa/Fulani ,Yoruba, could admixture be a possibility, as with the African-Americans?
Please feel free to share your insights and knowledge on this topic. I hope I do not come off as ignorant, but I am very curious, confused, and in need of enlightenment.
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2 questions:
- Why do you seem fixated on the idea that real Africans have to have a dark skin complexion? There are groups of people in Central and South Africa that have lighter complexions who had never interbred with Whites.
- Have you looked into political & trade affiliations of Igbo people before European contact, as well as perhaps migration patterns (if applicable)? The nation of Nigeria is a European creation, where they created the borders according to White interests. I see you only mentioned a few Nigerian ethnic groups, but perhaps before European intervention there was significant interaction with other peoples that might lead you closer to your answer.
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 19:19 |
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chilia87 wrote:
Does anyone have an inkling as to why Igbos are so fair in complexion, when compared to the Hausa/Fulani ,Yoruba, could admixture be a possibility, as with the African-Americans?
Please feel free to share your insights and knowledge on this topic. I hope I do not come off as ignorant, but I am very curious, confused, and in need of enlightenment.
Firstly, igbo people are not the only people who are light in nigeria, many Esan people of (edoland) are very light also, for example my grandmother is as light as Alicia Keys, and is completely 100% black, as with my cousin. There are many, many different tribes in Nigeria, so you cannot just compare the igbos with the hausa/fulani and yoruba. If you are just inquiring about the complextion of the igbo people, fair enough, but there is no need to compare them to the Hausa/Fulani, Yuroba as if they are the norm. U get? 
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 20:02 |
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i know many Nigerians
and of the Igbo people i know all of them are np light skinned far from it
hate stereotypes
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Posted: Thursday June 8th, 2006 23:06 |
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 12:18 |
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I'm sorry....but as common as it is to see light skinned Igbo's, its common for us to be chocolate and blue black too.........I know many light skinned Yoruba's, people from Edo, Hausa's etc..........there is no point conducting a study, when you seem to be so set in your own thinking as regards "Igbo light skin"............you are starting with a warped premise in the first place..........................ooh lighter skin...search for people sleeping with Whites....its not just you, we all do it, and its getting boring....and very irritating.
Would you consider going back and conducting a study there, even DNA testing etc? White people will always say that if you are African, but tall and slender, not short and stocky, slim featured rather than broad featured, light skinned rather than dark skinned....you must be mixed with them......as only they possess these things....yeah right......
As far as the whole resembling African Americans....you might want to check where many AA's from various regions came from ....ie "the Eboe landing etc"..........its them that look like us.......not the other way round.
Its not limited to Igbo's either or African Americans....just like many Americans look Irish English and German....
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 12:32 |
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Posters are reminded, attacks against the African family on these Boards will result in posts been edited or deleted.
Also, be mindful of threads started by one post "Africans".
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 13:34 |
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hmmmm... i find this thread very Tribalist.
Quote: "Ironically, however, Igbo women had a surprisingly ‘good’ reputation" ,"Igbo women were the only Atlantic Africans whom white men generally saw as beautiful"! "unlike females from the Gold Coast, “Eboe Women (from Bonny & New Calabar) are very fine and may be had.� !!! Unquote
I believe you and several others who crave European attention and approval really do a great disservice to the AFRICAN RACE AND PRIDE. It is no doubt flattering to your vanity to imagine that the European found the "Igbos" beautiful.Whilst the rest of the African females were "primitive""barbarous" and dispicable? PLEASE!!!
Africans throughout the continent in various tribes have been travelling the continent and globe and civilizing the World when the white man dwelled in caves.The empire of Ghana flourished during the dark ages of Europe.Timbutku already had a university around the 15centuy.The Yorubas /Ashanti/Egyptian,Sudanes,etc had very organized and complex civilization long before Europe dreamt of building empires and that Includes Greeece and Roman.
Therefore that the whiteman found OUR woman beautiful enough to rape,abuse, torture and dehumanize is something that should in any right thinking African person arouse very little glee and fascination but pure contempt for the European.
Please read up on history and understand that Africans come in all shades,hues sizes and build prior to the advent of the european on the continent! The african women on the globe from all various countries are one of the most beautiful in the world. No particular tribe/clan or group can lay any unique claim to that beauty alone.
Please refrain from such pointless statements that harbour no element of truth- PLEASE
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 14:07 |
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Shemsi en Tehuti wrote: 2 questions:
- Why do you seem fixated on the idea that real Africans have to have a dark skin complexion? Exactly my uncles and aunties who are brothers and sisters come in all kinds of different shades, from light skin to dark skin!
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 14:52 |
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| some igbo dudes are just too good looking. thats why majority of other tribes in that godamn country hates igbo's. and igbo's are business kingpins too. business savvy. igbo's are sexy.
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 18:15 |
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the soul machine wrote: some igbo dudes are just too good looking. thats why majority of other tribes in that godamn country hates igbo's. and igbo's are business kingpins too. business savvy. igbo's are sexy.
Again, empty stereotypes dont make sense. Igbos are that great?....Umm Thats why Fela Kuti is a Yoruba man. Thats why the first Africa Noble Prize winner, Wole Soyinka, is a Yoruba man. Thats why Micheal Adenuga, the richest Nigerian is a Yoruba man. Thats why Obasanjo is a Yoruba Man. Thats why Yorubas are the most educated and less likely to be involved in criminal activities. With regards handsome men, thats why Adebisi from Oz is a Yoruba man, and so was Femi Kuti. I can go on for ever and Oh boy, I am just warming up. All the people I have listed make the greatness of Nigeria, and I have not even listed one Igbo man! Stop making empty statements!
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 18:21 |
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Oluadah Equiano
A light skinned Igbo African... apparently
ho-hum
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 18:33 |
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| Can we see a picture of what they look like?
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 20:57 |
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TheresaMarie wrote: Can we see a picture of what they look like?
You want to see a picture of every igbo person? Bit ambitious arn't we?
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 21:01 |
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ayanfe2006 wrote: the soul machine wrote: some igbo dudes are just too good looking. thats why majority of other tribes in that godamn country hates igbo's. and igbo's are business kingpins too. business savvy. igbo's are sexy.
Again, empty stereotypes dont make sense. Igbos are that great?....Umm Thats why Fela Kuti is a Yoruba man. Thats why the first Africa Noble Prize winner, Wole Soyinka, is a Yoruba man. Thats why Micheal Adenuga, the richest Nigerian is a Yoruba man. Thats why Obasanjo is a Yoruba Man. Thats why Yorubas are the most educated and less likely to be involved in criminal activities. With regards handsome men, thats why Adebisi from Oz is a Yoruba man, and so was Femi Kuti. I can go on for ever and Oh boy, I am just warming up. All the people I have listed make the greatness of Nigeria, and I have not even listed one Igbo man! Stop making empty statements!
One word, hmmmmm................................................ Hypocrite? Yep dats it, Hypocrite 
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 21:18 |
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mz_nigeria wrote: TheresaMarie wrote: Can we see a picture of what they look like?
You want to see a picture of every igbo person? Bit ambitious arn't we?
lol@u you kno what i mean...
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Posted: Friday June 9th, 2006 22:35 |
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Oh dear.......It looks like Pandora's box has been well and truly smashed open with a sledge hammer!!
I don't understand this obsession with wanting vindication from white people regards our beauty or perceived lack of it, or of wanting a bit of 'whiteness' to somehow edify us, which is what this whole thread IMO seems to be about.
In the reverse situation, you would be hard pressed to find a white person desparately trying to lay claim to any African heritage.
A white journalist who writes for the Observer called Phil Hogan wrote an interesting article narrating how he recently discovered that his great-grandfather was Antiguan, but
this was kept from him by his family.
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/experts/philhogan/story/0,,1659704,00.html
These are a few excerpts from the article:
"...When I now ask my mother why no one mentioned our great-grandfather when we were kids, she says it was just easier that way."
"Things were very different back then, she [his mother] says, by which she means that people were less willing to celebrate ethnic diversity - not their own anyway. In those days you didn't tell children anything. Even today, otherwise sensitive and intelligent people have responded to my story with undisguised anxiety over the prospect of a 'throwback' further down the line - the 'risk' of two white parents producing a black baby."
...Some diasporan Africans often get criticised for wanting to 'embrace' everything else but their dominant African heritage. I guess this thread proves that they are not the only ones guilty of doing this.
Also.....you don't have to have white or non-African ancestors to have light skin. Albinos have light-skinned offspring!! Albinism is not uncommon in Africa.
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Posted: Friday June 16th, 2006 21:29 |
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here are some pictures of Igbo people of Nigeria...Now you can make up your minds!
Please, have fun.....
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Posted: Sunday June 18th, 2006 11:54 |
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Banel are you Igbo yourself, if you are, are you around many?
Do you really think we need you to tell us what we look like......there are a few Igbo's on this site, why not ask us, we are the ones who know?
If an Igbo or Nigerian for that matter tells you that it is very common for Igbo's to be light skinned, you can take it as fact, we know and are exposed to OUR own people more than you could ever be unless you are Igbo yourself.
Posting a few pictures of middle skinned Igbo's and saying ...."judge for yourself" just doesn't cut it.........we already know our own people thank you very much....
The sheer cheek of some Blacks is astonishing, imagine, trying to tell US about our OWN people..............there is no Igbo person who will tell you light skinned Igbo's are not common......We range from blue black to yellow......
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Posted: Sunday June 18th, 2006 17:19 |
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This thread would actually be worth the time I spent reading if we had posrted WOMEN instead of men...Nigeria produces stunning women. Anybody seen that Nigerian chick on Americas next top model and I am not talking about Yaya (although she's worth a thread of praise all by herself )...
I just realised this had nothing to do with the topic...ah well... .
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Posted: Sunday June 18th, 2006 20:48 |
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people wanted to see some pictures and all I did was to satisfy their needs!
Why do you sound so angry! I haven't got any problems with those pictures except that they are beautiful...I love all my African brothers! Now chillout!
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Posted: Sunday June 18th, 2006 22:25 |
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oh my dayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
whats going on here?
what is the point of this thread?
A lot of fulanis of Nigeria are fair,a lot of Yorubas are fair,alot of kanuris are fair,alot of ibos are fair,a lot of edo folks are fair,infact I would expect Nigeria is one of the last places you could divide my skin tone,but importantly what does it matter really??
As for the satements about Ibos looking like african americans ,I saw the katrina victims ,and alot of them if not most were dark skinned,and that doesnot take away from the fac that they are african americans and beautiful, though in pain..I am confused as to why or how it could be a compliment on any level..
the mind truly boggles...
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